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The result was redirect to Mortar (masonry)#Polymer cement mortar. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:30, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

MagneLine

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I can find no evidence of notability for this brand of cement; the only reference is a press release by an importer, and all I find online is another press release by them. The article was PRODded already, but the PROD was removed by the creator (in an edit that did improve the article) so I don't believe it can be rePRODded. The PROD replaced a nomination for speedy deletion as pure promotion, which I don't believe is applicable in its current state (although others may disagree), and I find no other applicable speedy deletion criterion, since it doesn't fall into one of the categories for "no claim of significance". Yngvadottir (talk) 23:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete -- Nothing notable about polymer-treated concrete. You can buy the additive in Home Depot. Rhadow (talk) 01:18, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep per

WP:SNOW. Proposing editor should maybe take the time to read some of the feedback provided on their talk page rather than immediately deleting it. (non-admin closure) Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:51, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Uttarapurana

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This article might not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines

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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Xavier Jenkins

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Not notable. Simply being named as a contributor on a few research papers as an undergraduate (and being in a picture on a website) is not a credible claim of importance.

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  • Delete. None of the sources contribute to Notability. Three are research papers he has co-authored and are not coverage of him. And a caption on a photo is barely a passing mention. MB 01:12, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:27, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

International Historians Association

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Not notable, No working references. Mostly futurology. May not exist. Rathfelder (talk) 22:41, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, likely hoax.--Grahame (talk) 00:24, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • UndecidedDelete as yet. If it is a hoax, the article itself would appear not. "International Historians Association" has non social media google hits but I have not checked to see if they are the same organisation here. Importantly though, a trustee for "International Historians Association" was a registered business entity for Australian taxation purposes until 24 April 2017. I think existence is satisfied but not necessarily GNG. Also note creation was by a now indefinitely blocked account. Aoziwe (talk) 02:49, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to delete. Readily fails GNG. Aoziwe (talk) 09:33, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Cannot see how this can be notable, even if it does actually exist. Ajf773 (talk) 09:16, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nom; not verifiable. No working references, and none found on Google search. An unclear case for notability even if the facts in the article were supported by references.
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The result was keep. Though if the nomination wants to consider making something like List of improvised firearms to merge these articles to, that is a separate issue that does not need to be resolved at AFD. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:07, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This stub, along with several others, really belong together in Improvised firearm Anmccaff (talk) 16:28, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. Meets GNG. Has characteristics that are separate from other metal shop production run in other areas of the world. Was used in Sri Lankan conflicts. improvised firearm is a poor merge target as it focuses on truly improvised weapons and not weapons produced by gunsmiths at metal shops. If we have an article on every Colt and Carl Gustav model, we can have an article on a notable regional weapon industry.Icewhiz (talk) 06:45, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As mentioned by Icewhiz, this passes the GNG. It might or might not be merged later, but for now, keep it should be. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:36, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the problem I see with this and similar articles is they will tend to develop separately -needlessly, and as POV Forks. Contemporary firearms range from open large scale manufacture down to clandestine individual production, with a wide range of expertise as well. This is, so to speak, a three-dimensional model, not a binary split. Anmccaff (talk) 03:52, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, this is simply the Sri Lankan word for home made gun. It is not a recognized English language term and has no meaning outside was the Sri Lanka.--RAF910 (talk) 19:19, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to United Soccer League#Expansion clubs. ♠PMC(talk) 02:08, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Without additional evidence of notability, this seems like it's

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Every other upcoming expansion team gets one. Why would this one be different? DSM FC (talk) 14:24, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 02:09, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Connor

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails

WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete The citations although a few seem a bit thin, if the top tier in Ireland was fully pro, I would say keep, but because it isn't he fails NFooty. Govvy (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2017
  • Keep top tier in Ireland is turning pro. Connor plays for a team which has recently turned fully professional with the supply of 52 week full time contracts to its players so he does qualify — Preceding unsigned comment added by WFCsupporter2018 (talkcontribs)
  • reply Where is your evidence for the league turning pro? Govvy (talk) 16:07, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Waterford Shamrock Rovers and Dundalk have since joined Cork in being fully professional. The league will soon be fully pro so keep! http://www.the42.ie/john-caulfield-52-week-contracts-3654376-Oct2017/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by WFCsupporter2018 (talkcontribs) 19:52, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately as that article says "While 52-week contracts are becoming increasingly more common again, particularly at clubs like Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers, they remain the exception rather than the rule", it pretty conclusively proves that the league isn't fully professional.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:09, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Hayat

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I've been absent from en.Wikipedia for a long time, so I'm more than happy to be found wrong with this nomination, but after stumbling upon it browsing, I thought it seemed tremendously non-notable and basically just a puff piece. There don't seem to be any Reliable Sources for the article, and I don't think being a Member of the Youth Parliament qualifies someone on its own, especially with BLP concerns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skinny87 (talkcontribs) 14:13, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Strong delete an overly promotional article on a non-notable journalist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Article has a very definite
    primary sources (his own LinkedIn, tweets, YouTube videos, etc.), coverage of other things or people in which he's the bylined author and not the subject (which are not sources that support the notability of a journalist), coverage of other things or people which merely namechecks his existence and is not about him (not notability-assisting sources either), and purely local coverage which is about him but is being given in the context of nothing that passes a notability criterion at all (e.g. suing a traffic cop over a parking ticket, starting a vigilante operation to catch somebody who stole his laptop.) Exactly none of this represents a valid reason why he would qualify a Wikipedia article. Bearcat (talk) 16:21, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete obvious self-promotion by a non-notable person. --RevivesDarks (talk) 17:05, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No RS providing significant, long-term coverage: fails
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese newspapers: historical sources

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Seems to be a case of

original research. The article reads more like an essay on loosely-related topics than anything else. Janet-O (talk) 20:13, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Nicktoons Africa

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I'd removed this list from

Nicktoons (Africa) as per NOTGUIDE ... so the editor decides to create a subpage of it instead .... Still fails NOTGUIDE and still fails GNG, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 19:55, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Genos Research

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promotional, and no adequate sources for notability DGG ( talk ) 19:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, no lead section, no real context and nothing proving its notablilty. PCN02WPS 19:52, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- does not meet
    WP:CORPDEPTH. Borderline A7 + G11. No real attempt has been made to make it remotely presentable; no value to the project. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:54, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy delete. MER-C 08:00, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Darry Ring

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Non notable company (

WP:NCORP). References don't establish notability given they are promotional/advertorials: (1) the Forbes article establishes the owners as entrepreneurs. The company is mentioned in passing. (2) this reads like a press release, (3) is about a singer's wedding (where the ring is mentioned) - probable promo, (4) might pass as editorial, however the use of provided picture material is suspicious, (5) promo, (6) re-reporting the Forbes article. Really just mention in passing, (7) seems self-edited, (8) advertorial. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 19:05, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. "Has a lot of users" is not an established notability criterium. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Watopia

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Watopia is a virtual island in a non-notable piece of software. Should someone choose to write an article about the Zwift software, then perhaps mention could be made there about Watopia, but it certainly does not merit its own article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:01, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per nom; no need to keep a reference-less orphan article about a "fictional environment in [an] existing place" that only exists itself within a somewhat obscure cycling trainer/game. If someone were to make an article about Zwift itself, then I support a redirect, but until then I see no need having this article at all. PCN02WPS 19:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per previous comment: the fact that Zwift is a red link is reason enough. Too many levels of non-notability has given me a headache ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 21:29, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Small Brain Records

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Completely unsourced article about a small independent record label, with a slight

WP:CORPDEPTH. As always, every record label does not automatically get a Wikipedia article just because its own web presence verifies that it exists -- it needs to be the subject of enough media coverage to pass a sourceability standard, but there's no such coverage being shown here at all. Bearcat (talk) 18:50, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)

GMO conspiracy theories

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This page is nothing but a one-sided POV fork of Genetically modified food controversies, which pejoratively labels criticism of biotechnology companies as "conspiracy theory." Obviously Monsanto et al do conspire—i.e. make secret plans—internally and with others, but these plans should be presented in a more neutral fashion. groupuscule (talk) 18:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The second sentence of the lede reads as follows:

These conspiracy theories include claims that agribusinesses, especially Monsanto, have suppressed data showing that GMOs cause harm, deliberately cause food shortages to promote the use of GM food, or have co-opted government agencies such as the United States Food and Drug Administration or scientific societies such as the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Industry influence on the FDA and the AAAS is a mater of record (Michael R. Taylor, [1], [2], [3], ), so to call this idea a “conspiracy theory” is wrong—since, according to the definition on Wikipedia, a “conspiracy theory” posits an “unwarranted” conspiracy (and is a “derogatory” term.)
The last section of the article, titled “Ethical Criticism”, showcases a long quotation smearing GMO critics as “paranoid and misinformed” or as privileged Whole Foods shoppers. Its underlying premise is that biotech foods are truly wonder foods that will save the world, and so anyone who opposes them is wittingly or unwittingly doing something unethical. This is not useful, encyclopedic information.
Perhaps some of the people advocating against deletion could state a little more clearly their vision for how this article could be written in a neutral way. Thanks, groupuscule (talk) 17:21, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No. It would be inappropriate to respond to the above claims here. The place to discuss that is the article talk page. Even if the article isn't neutral, We don't delete articles because they are not neutral. --Guy Macon (talk)
  • Keep: the editor who filed this AfD has not provided a valid reason for deletion. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:55, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, per all of the above. These conspiracy theories really do exist, and the deletion argument is largely a matter of
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The result was redirect to

DCM Shriram group. Redirects do not require notability, merely appropriateness. The Bushranger One ping only 06:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Fenesta

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DCM Shriram group, and that appears to be all that is appropriate. Julietdeltalima (talk) 18:37, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. The Bushranger One ping only 06:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Samantha Hall

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WP:BIO. Does not meet Wikipedia criteria for notability Rogermx (talk) 18:10, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:20, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable musicians. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:09, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:21, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Skindiver (trademark)

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WP:PRODUCT - Trademark is dead in US according to US patent office http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4804:ek2t7e.2.2. Cannot find any reliable source that discusses product and indicates owner of it or where it is trademarked. Rogermx (talk) 17:58, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. The keep arguments are more convincing(ly supported by evidence). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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no evidence of significance, let alone notability. Local references only--and they are pr or pr-based DGG ( talk ) 17:56, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. clear consensus DGG ( talk ) 00:17, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Millar

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I reviewed the article Steve Millar and its edit history. Some observations:

  • The article itself includes nothing of notability. The subject attended high school, released three self-produced albums, appeared in groups of no significance beyond being local bands, and apparently is not involved in anything of note other than performing with a band that is at hire to play for events.
  • The edit history indicates that most of the article was written by unregistered editors (only IP addresses and redlink authors are noted) and that the appearance of established editors (myself included) was for general cleanup.
  • Meanwhile, the only citation links to a Mac site that has nothing I could find to confirm the subject's biography.

I could be wrong but this article strikes me as being the work of people who are close to the subject. What I am certain of, however, is that the use of language here is promotional (making more of things than is there) and that the lack of significant detail (information of interest to general readers) indicates little could be done to improve the article. Allreet (talk) 23:53, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. DGG ( talk ) 00:24, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Omeljan Pritsak

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The subject doesn't have significant coverage in media and as well as reliable source. --Yuriy Urban (talk) 13:49, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The article needs new references, but that alone is not really enough for deleting it. His obituary seems to support his notability, and there is a lot of coverage in various sources. Fresh sources are rarer, but notability is not temporary. This is an article in need of cleanup and referencing, so outright deletion would be too harsh.
    WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP. Ceosad (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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I added a few references for the article to better prove Pritsak's notability. Ceosad (talk) 19:19, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This article was created with the wrong template and never transcluded to a daily log. Fixed now--I offer no opinion on the nomination itself at this time. @
    WP:AFDHOWTO for the proper procedures for future nominations. Thanks. --Finngall talk 17:31, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 02:10, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Akshai Sarin

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WP:GNG wholesomely. Nearly G11-able promo-spam. Rubbish promotional-sourcing. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:51, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Störm (talk) 17:03, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fawad Hassan Fawad

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Seemed non notable person. No additional sourced. HINDWIKICHAT 16:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Adeel Safi (talk) 20:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)The reason given for the deletion tag is that the subject is a non notable. Had HINDWIKI read the references tagged they would have known the prominence of the subject. Please next time make sure you do your research before doing something as big as nominating a page for deletion.[reply]

  • Keep he is a prominent bureaucrat in the country who has served as Personal Secretary to Prime Minister of Pakistan. there are numerous press clips online which can be used to curate a bio. This is detailed bio on the subject. --Saqib (talk) 06:56, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Adeel Safi (talk)The subject is a civil servant who is often regarded as one of the most powerful man in the Pakistan Muslim League government. I am attaching several links. Please look into these and if you think that he is a 'notable', please remove the deletion tag from the page. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG84v2uTowg https://dailytimes.com.pk/81749/leave-of-secretary-to-pm-raises-many-a-questions/ https://tribune.com.pk/story/1399617/bureaucracy-creating-hurdles-says-industries-minister/

Thankyou! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adeel Safi (talkcontribs) 19:49, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delte This article have no reliable sources per Wikipedia's
    WP:BLP policy and YouTube is not a additional source because anyone can upload videos on it. HINDWIKICHAT 01:49, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Delete struck since your nom is already considered your !vote (see Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Miscellaneous_advice). Youtube is neither reliable nor unreliable, though more content on youtube is unreliable than reliable. There's a big difference between using as evidence clips of broadcast news from the official account of a news media source vs a self-published video uploaded by a random with an opinion. (see WP:Video_links#References) ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 08:03, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
... which is one of 10 delete !votes made Sportsfan 1234 between 01:55 and 01:59... ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 08:07, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for bad nomination and many evidence that the subject is regularly mentioned in Pakistani press. I also see many sources like this related to him. He certainly passes
    refimprove}} and many others  — Ammarpad (talk) 06:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of years in Croatian television

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Per

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding the mass creation of mostly empty articles. If any of the articles in the list have content (most don't), they are a duplication of the relevant categories. See the previous discussion at AfD which is linked above for other criteria as to why this should be deleted. Jip Orlando (talk) 16:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Normally, I wouldn't be entirely comfortable closing an AfD with this little discussion, but in conjunction with the unanimous delete decision from the previous AfD, it seems reasonable. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Terracoin

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The previous AFD was to delete because of notability issues. I have search and I do not see that the notability of this cryptocurrency has changed since the last discussion VVikingTalkEdits 14:29, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. No valid rationale for deletion advanced.

(non-admin closure) – Joe (talk) 23:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Espoir FC de Mutimbuzi

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This article has been abandoned and also has no references, and parts of this article might be made up. The article is also only 2 lines long.

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  • Keep - plays in the top national division, notable. Needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 19:24, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per
    WP:FOOTYN.All teams that have played in the national cup (or the national level of the league structure in countries where no cup exists) are assumed to meet WP:N criteria.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy keep

WP:SK#1 - not a valid rationale for deletion.. ansh666 23:41, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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K11UU-D

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This article is abandoned and clearly has many issues, it also has nothing to offer to wikipedia as an article on its own, i think it should be deleted or merged.

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  • Comment Very poor nomination that does not give a valid deletion rationale.198.58.171.47 (talk) 20:12, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:42, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

CPDcast

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This article has many issues. It has been abandoned since Feb 2015, and also: A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject, since 2011.

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  • Delete Sources don't exist to establish organizzation's notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.58.171.47 (talk) 23:03, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. I'm going to go ahead and close this Afd from this editor, also per

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Jocjonjosch

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This article has multiple issues which can be seen on it's page, some or most of these issues can make this article more vulnerable to being deleted.

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    Before assesing this, I did a search for sources and added three good ones. They meet WP:GNG based on coverage in reliable sources.198.58.171.47 (talk) 20:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy keep per

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Indian Wireless Telegraph (Amateur Service) Rules, 1978

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This article has been abandoned for over 6 years, and needs to be merged with another article

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  • Comment What's up with this new criteria of "abandoned"? Only drafts are abandoned on Wikipedia. Everything else is just an article. This should probably be closed as it proposes no valid deletion rationale.198.58.171.47 (talk) 20:28, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete.

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Tiger Rock (Chessington World of Adventures)

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Unsourced conjecture,

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The result was merge to Alappuzha district#Education. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A.G.R.M Higher Secondary School

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This article only has one source which is a list and needs citations for verification.

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  • The school doesn't actually seem to be mentioned in the list that is cited as a source, unless I am missing something? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as failing our notability guidelines (and the requirement for verifiability, of anything beyond the school's name and location). I haven't even been able to find a source that explains what AGRM stands for, let alone base an article on. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:27, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Though all secondary schools should at least potentially be considered notable, that does not mean they necessarily need a separate article when there is this little material. DGG ( talk ) 00:00, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete It is time to stop assuming that just because a school educates people ages 14-18 or so, it is notable. That is just not a logical idea. I know of enough K-12 or pre-K to 12 charter schools in Metro Detroit that have never been noted in any reliable source ever to not buy this notion that all secondary schools should be presumed notable. There are no sources that show notability. It is time to stop keeping articles based on a supposed consensus to keep articles, and start keeping them based on the sources that actual exist, or in cases like this do not exist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect to Alappuzha district#Education. Even if things aren't notable enough for their own articles, they can be covered elsewhere. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:44, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Freshmen (comics). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jacques Lalleaux

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This article has no sources or references, and has been abandoned for a very long time.

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:34, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tariq Rahim Soomro

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Very promotional in tone. Claims that the subject has published a large number of papers, but a review of the publications on Google Scholar and ResearchGate shows that a very high proportion are in journals that appear on Beall's list and its successors - i.e.

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He has more than 390 citations (according to google), this means his publications are quality publication and has been appreciated & cited; along with his h-index = 10, shows that he is consistent in quality publication. (Ref: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=0zP5EYoAAAAJ&hl=en) Arif80s (talk) 06:47, 15 November 2017 (UTC) Arif80s (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
You say "he" as if you are not the subject or his representative. That is... implausible. Guy (Help!) 10:04, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am evaluating the papers and the journals and will put in my !vote when I am done. A cursory glance however shows a lot of predatory open access journals. I have been unable to find publications in tier 1 or 2 conferences/journals and an h-index of 10 is not that great in Computer Science.--DreamLinker (talk) 16:42, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Whether the papers are in legitimate journals or not isn't directly relevant, since we don't judge notability by what a person has written, but by what has been written about them. What is relevant is that a large portion of the citations to the subject's work are also in predatory/vanity journals, and these can't be considered coverage in reliable sources for the purposes of
    WP:PROF#C1 very weak indeed. I also can't find anything that would indicate a pass of any of the other PROF criteria, or any media coverage that would count towards the GNG. – Joe (talk) 19:29, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete- Not notable. AsadUK200
  • Answer If you are considering deletion of this article then please look at the following in Pakistani Computer Scientists category:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Razaque his Google citation are less https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=EFC24OwAAAAJ&hl=en He is PhD in 2014-15 and according to HEC Pakistan can’t qualify to become Professor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Jaffar-ur-Rehman no list of papers, no citations on Google available can’t be verified.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeshan-ul-Hassan_Usmani very prominent personality but look at his papers and citations https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=YQo8S_cAAAAJ&hl=en Arif80s (talk) 04:09, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You are welcome to nominate for deletion any other article you consider falls below the required standards of sourcing. See also
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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  13:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2004 Jalna Mosque bomb attack

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  • Keep - Fairly recent AfD ended in No consensus. Nothing has made me change my previous stance of keeping the article. Per WP:GNG, good sources/references. Third party sources. Per WP:INDEPTH. BabbaQ (talk) 10:03, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note - The first AFD was in September 2016 -- by no means is that considered "recent". "Per GNG" is a
    WP:ATA as is "per indepth".TheGracefulSlick (talk) 13:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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"Fairly recent" is actually a good description. It's more than a year so can be relisted but as the coverage is ungoing the question that rises is "why again?" gidonb (talk) 17:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment AFD was in September 2016 and closed as No consensus and it clearly fails

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A brief news story about the trial there is no continued coverage between 2004 and 2010

A brief news story about the acquittal no coverage between 2010 and 2012.

None of the references are indepth all are clearly

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Non-notable event as there was no casualty. Accused were acquitted. It's not even proved what was the motive behind the blast. Marvellous Spider-Man 05:23, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep per
    WP:LASTING. News and book searches show that this attack was and still is widely covered in India. gidonb (talk) 17:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete Fails
    WP:LASTING .Editors need to actually read the sources. Notability is being presumed on basis of non existent significant coverage sources reminds one of Don Quixote .86.168.36.155 (talk) 22:14, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Sorry to say cannot see any level of coverage in academic journals almost all of them given before the verdict including the statement came out now no investigation is going on in this case
3:2010 only states An Indian media report noted that "the involvement of Hindu groups in terror activities was suspected" mentions various incidents including JalnaPharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:56, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how you looked at academic journals, but a Google Scholar search of "Jalna mosque 2004 bomb" gives what looks like 10 papers discussing the attack as an example of Hindu violence against Muslims, which only strengthens why this should be kept or merged somewhere as an
alternative to deletion
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1. It's a source that the author, Dr. Puniyani who is a professor and prominent activist on the issue, [31][32] considered and decided to include. The fact that from the blog there is taken from major news channel with source links, is a sign that it's a source which has editorial standards, and that would've been part of the consideration in the author deciding to include such a list.
2. The source does state that the crude bombs happened and the number of injuries, but is discussed in the context of communal violence in India. The author, Prof. Kumar, is an Indian criminal law professor and used this attack as a prominent example in a section about "official reports of communal violence" in a book about anti-Muslim communal violence in India.
3.The point of the MEMRI source, like the other two books I cited, was to show that continued to be cited as a prominent example of Hindu attacks on Muslims years after the incident. The presence of such academic sources mentioning this context behind the attack is sufficient to keep this for now and/or seriously consider an alternative to deletion such as merging this to a relevant list/article on similar attacks instead of outright deletion, which would follow how academic RS treat it. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:57, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete another non-notable incident that fails
    WP:GNG we need much more than that. Raymond3023 (talk) 06:29, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:46, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

First Hand Foundation

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No conceivable notability. I think one of the reasons for the decline of the Speedy A7 by Ritchie333 might not have been appropriate--that it has been unchallenged for 7 years merely indicates our incompetent review of articles at the time. But Ritchie's request to check for sources first was certainly reasonable. There's nothing but notices, which is just what would be expected fro the content of the article. But from their web site and similar information they seem an extraordinarily worthy cause, and if anyone can find information to write an article, i wouldn't object in the slightest. . DGG ( talk ) 05:31, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Good consensus that this does not meet

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Justin St. P. Walsh

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Associate professor. Does not yet meet the

general notability guideline. – Joe (talk) 11:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Associate professor status has nothing to do with notability. Walsh has received a Rome Prize
    WP:ACADEMIC). He has received large competitive grants from the National Geographic Society and the Loeb Classical Library Foundation at Harvard University. [2] The importance of his book can be seen in this review, by a leading figure in the field of classical archaeology.[3] His current work has attracted significant media attention. [4] [5] Hossiejojo (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2017 (UTC) Hossiejojo[reply
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routine, and I don't think there's quite enough in the press articles to pass the GNG. And ultimately, his very low citation counts are a strong indication that simply not enough has been said about his scholarship to support a balanced biography at this time. – Joe (talk) 21:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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WP:ACADEMIC page says that only one of the criteria need to be fulfilled. I gave you a number of pieces of data. But the idea that the Rome Prize is not "major" -- its own page on Wikipedia lists every person who has received it, including Walsh. How many other awards get that kind of treatment? The American Academy in Rome is the most prestigious of the CAORC centers, which are the most important US overseas research institutes. Yes, getting your book reviewed is de rigueur, but there are multiple highly-positive reviews of Walsh's book in major venues including in the American Journal of Archaeology, the most-important journal in the field (see his Humanities Commons site). It seems like you're just being arbitrary here. Hossiejojo (talk) 22:12, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The Rome Prize is essentially a one year, early career fellowship/residency at the AAR and is given to thirty people a year. It's no Nobel. I don't agree that the things you have put forward amount to a pass of
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mithaq Kazimi

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Struggling to find any independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources - lack of

WP:SIGCOV. Run-of-the-mill businessman. Edwardx (talk) 11:04, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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So first off he's not a businessman to be a "Run-of-the-mill businessman," he's a film producer with some 10+ years of work behind him. I'm one of the major contributors of Afghan/Iranian/Indian personalities and organizations and most of the articles I create or contribute to are 'flagged' because Western editors do not find them "notable" enough. Please see my talk page for many other articles flagged for similar reasons. This one, I won't even argue for because there's enough evidence of notability. ~User: Unknown Master

As we speak, he's the Editor-in-Chief of a highly regarded startup of India: http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/josh-talks-raises-funding-freshworks-founder-and-others-71756 / https://www.joshtalks.com/about

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- Also, a similar flag has been raised on the poor guy who heads Afghanistan's film organization, one of the country's well-known directors and someone who has been covered extensively by media. If interested let's get that article populated as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latif_Ahmadi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown Master (talkcontribs) 06:14, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Links

@dwardx, there are a number of references and notability to the person. This issue is very common with non-American/European personalities wherein the "credible" sources are not English-based sources, usually.

He's the editor-in-chief of a reputed Indian company (https://www.joshtalks.com/about/) / https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/small-biz/money/top-executives-from-hcl-hero-lenskart-freshworks-amongst-marquee-investors-to-invest-in-josh-talks/articleshow/61648369.cms

Here are some links I found:

- https://www.ted.com/tedx/events/19829 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEgXZ0ukzTQ - http://www.wionews.com/team-wion/mithaq-kazimi - https://www.crunchbase.com/person/mithaq-kazimi - https://www.amazon.com/16-Days-Afghanistan-Mohammad-Hajher/dp/B001SVBTN2 - http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=1807786 - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.248.235.151 (talk) 08:06, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Harvard Dorm Crew

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We don't cover such topics unless significantly covered. Fails

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  • KEEP this alone makes it notable enough "is the largest and oldest student-run fee-for-service organization in the world". Also article could be expanded to provide greater perspectives (as noted in some of the referenced books and articles) on the impact of the crew, who are students, washing toilets of their fellow classmates Rsarlls (talk) 04:00, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Isaac Newton was a porter at Trinity College, a paying job for poor students who mucked out privileged boys digs. you are claiming ot be the oldest entry in an ill-defined and unverifiable category.E.M.Gregory (talk) 02:33, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Praveen Antony

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Non notable associate editor - this is a more like a cv Gbawden (talk) 08:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE wouldn't call him notable & sources aren't strong enough to keep. RyanRO34 (talk) 08:50, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 3:50, 14 November 2017 (GMT)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Non-notable, editor spam blocked, sock puppetry Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:32, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Stand Atlantic

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Largely sourced to FaceBook and other non-RS sources, little evidence of notability, promotional tone, COI editor Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • KEEP The sourcing of tours should be better but they are signed to an international label & links to popular music sites, Alternative press, Hysteria, Amplify & Rock Sound makes them notable
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· Keep They certainly fit the 'notable' for WP:BAND & WP:GNG category featured on Alt Press & on Rock Sound (Including in their magazine[3]) I'll aim to fix up the Facebook sources. BeccaMcdougall (talk) 09:21, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 9:21, 14 November 2017 (GMT) Update, I added more Rock Sound & Alternative Press sources where I could, as they're a reliable source. Have changed most of the Facebook Sources. BeccaMcdougall (talk) 10:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 10:16, 14 November 2017 (GMT)[reply]

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  • delete despite the enthusiastic keeps from the new users. Does not me the GNG. The fans should confine themselves to the facebook page, me thinks. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:49, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The sources offered here do not meet

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Print&Share

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Article advertising a non-notable products. All URLs given as sources are either primary or clearly have a vested interest. (As a side note, the article for the parent company of this product is also nominated for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winking (company).) Codename Lisa (talk) 06:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep keep this page. I don't see why a popular product being used in the majority of the world would needs to be deleted. The reason as you state that all urls given as sources are primary or have a vested interest is not true. BLI Byers lab is an independent test laboratory. Africa Print is a leading independent magazine. mynewsdesk is not affiliated. Data Manager Online is not affiliated and is an independent ict news magazine. solutions-magazine is an independent website, not affiliated. Of course the websites that write about this product are in the ICT business. About the side note, if you have checked all the articles nominated for deletion by user Rentier who marked the page for deletion, you will see that he seems to mark only software related products (tenfold, opusmodus, sifter, wordpress mp, ...). I start to having a feeling that he does this on purpose...) JuFo (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:33, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I went back and had another look at the sources that you claim are independent and prove notability, buyer's lab is not coverage just a statement that the product has been tested by their lab as have many thousands of products, had it won an award from BLI this would have helped...but it didn't. The africaprint article is a press release and not suitable as a source to prove GNG. Mynewsdesk is also a press release, as is data manager online. None of these count towards proving notability. Solutions magazine is a
deadlink but judging from the title it looks exactly like a reprint of this page with the same title on the Ricoh website [33]. Domdeparis (talk) 14:43, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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( OMG ). I was referring to JuFo's side note ! About the side note, if you have checked all the articles nominated for deletion by user Rentier who marked the page for deletion, you will see that he seems to mark only software related products (tenfold, opusmodus, sifter, wordpress mp, ...). I start to having a feeling that he does this on purpose...), - arguing against the motives of the nominator is discouraged per commonoutcomes. Nothing wrong with your actual sidenote, sorry I didn't make that clear enough. Dysklyver 13:59, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (or redirect, should the article about the parent company stay) - per my original rationale for redirecting: lack of independent notability. Neither
    WP:CORPDEPTH are met. With regards to JuFo's remark, I have been in fact purposefully reviewing software-related articles, a large portion of which turns out to be unsuitable for inclusion. Rentier (talk) 17:17, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment I understand your remark
    Foxit Reader and that page contains less information and is also a separate page.JuFo (talk
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The result was merge to Bruce Springsteen discography. The Bushranger One ping only 06:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wachovia Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 10/20/09

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Non-notable. No charting or reviews. Jennica / talk 05:56, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Agree above. Doesn't need a separate page, just add the album on Bruce' page. BeccaMcdougall (talk) 09:55, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 9:54, 14 November 2017 (GMT)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dương Dynasty (An Nam)

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The original contributor to the article has been banned for creating hoaxes and adding untrue information to articles. This article is plausibly based, with Dương Tam Kha being a single king during a short period of the purported 'dynasty'.

Almost all of the sources are either unlinked or in foreign language, which is a big red flag given the contributing editor's history. There are a couple of sources that are not reliable sources, but do mention it as a dynasty:[34] [35], but they are not what could be considered 'reliable' for historical verification.

Seems like a big red flag that the editor has to resort to sources such as tea recipies and other sources that don't mention the subject at all.

Much of the content of the article is unverifiable with the sources given such as: "Although attacked by the Tang Dynasty more than once, Dương Dynasty always pushed back in revolt against the Tang Dynasty, and the heroes come from around the An Nam for retain they homeland during massive number of wars." which has three refs that I can't check (and again given the contributing user's history, is a massive red flag)

It also appears that the blocked user has been editing the article under two different IPs recently (Including restoring the article from a redirect with different content, which possibly makes this article G5able, but this was contested). If this article is restored as a redirect, I request that it is protected.

I suggest that we

TNT this submission with no prejudice for recreating an article if someone decides to recreate it with real sources (if this period is really considered a 'dynasty' by reliable sources, which I am still not convinced of--See the talk page where others have raised concerns). Pinging talk page contributors: DHN and In ictu oculi.Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 05:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC) — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 05:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • DELETE - the article was created by ADHZ07111989, who was banned for repeatedly writing hoax, "alternative history" articles glorifying the Yang/Dương surname. I turned it into a redirect years ago as there's nothing useful or verifiable, but it was recently restored by an IP who's almost certainly a sock of ADHZ07111989 [36]. Time to take out the garbage. -Zanhe (talk) 05:56, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Semi blank article and fill with actual sources on the semi-legendary kingdom: such as Thanh Hóa, thế và lực mới trong thế kỷ XXI -Viết Luân Chu, ‎Công ty cổ phần thông tin kinh tế đối ngoại - 2003 Page 26 "Kien So and Phu Lac (according to Dao Duy Anh. Kien So and Phu Lac- merged together to make Sung Binh at the end of Duong Dynasty), and Thuong Lac. Tung Nguyen. Quan Minh. 3. In the period of Tuy and Duong Dynasties King Tuy ." There is a problem here as Vietnamese sources over egg the historicity of "dynasties" before the 1000 years of Chinese dominance, while Chinese sources naturally deny any Vietnamese state before China's dominance. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:41, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @In ictu oculi: this purported dynasty is not one of the legendary kingdoms before Chinese domination. It's supposed to have existed between 603 to 906, during the Tang dynasty rule of Annam, and that is pure nonsense. -Zanhe (talk) 18:33, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There are some funny things in Vietnamese history books (as in Chinese ones) but looking at the sources Dương does seem to simply be a Vietnamese typo for Tang. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:39, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Mentioned in plenty of scholarly sources. Regardless of who created the article, the encyclopedic legitimacy of the topic is clear. 84.73.134.206 (talk) 08:39, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Chinese Tang dynasty, which ruled Annam/Northern Vietnam, is called Đường in Vietnamese, and that's the one that tends to come up in Google searches. -Zanhe (talk) 18:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment The issue here is not "verifiable facts", but verifiable scholarly relevance, which is amply documented. Atlantis is highly notable, regardless of whether it ever existed. 84.73.134.206 (talk) 15:30, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with that is that this article is not based on scholarly sources, nor is the content verifiable via scholarly evidence, so either way we need to TNT the content. Given the editor's history of hoaxing, removing the edit history from this article is probably a good idea (I don't often invoke
WP:TNT, but in this case I find it appropriate). If someone wants to create a new article using scholarly sources and verifiable information, that will be totally OK. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 18:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Comment. The argument for keeping this article based on the fact that Atlantis has its own article is a textbook example of
WP:OSE. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 18:24, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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@84.73.134.206: The Duong dynasty in the Google books results is actually the Tang dynasty and has nothing to do with this article. -Zanhe (talk) 18:52, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RedPoint Global

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non notable--no actual prizes, jus tmentions along with many other companies. No references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements DGG ( talk ) 05:32, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete agree with DGG: Where's the beef?Bri (talk) 16:39, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as corporate spam with no indications of notability or significance. Includes promo language such as "...has been recognized by Forrester as a leader in cross-channel campaign management!" etc. Borders on G11. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:29, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In Conspiracy with Satan - A Tribute to Bathory

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Unsourced tribute album that fails

the notability guideline for albums. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 05:27, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. Although a more in-depth review of sources would be warranted in the future. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lillian B. Allen

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No accomplishments or reasons for notability are stated in this article. Fails

WP:BIO. No significant achievements or works. NikolaiHo☎️ 05:15, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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This subject was selected from the "Missing Articles" section of the Woman in Red Contest. Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest/Missing articles/North America. I assumed her notability. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep She passes GNG. I added some other references to the article. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:54, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, there is a Masters thesis here - A CANADIAN TRAVELLER’S TALE: LILLIAN B. ALLEN AND DOCUMENTING TRAVEL, 1927-1979 that may yield further information on Allen. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:18, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How would that imply notability though?
as an example, the thesis states that Allen had 15 photographic exhibitions, further research may yield where, also the thesis' bibliography could yield more, i do not have the time to look into it, another editor might. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:13, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
also, we don't use librarything or goodreads for notability, but those sites may list reviews/awards that with the backup of
reliable sources from elsewhere contribute to a subject's notability, this thesis may do the same. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:21, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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"Miss Lilian Allen, lecturer in Applied arts, University of Manitoba, will be the chief speaker at the meeting of the Winnipeg Horticultural Society, (date, time, location)... there will be a table centre competition, entries to be subimtted by members and their friends. Decorations used need not be flowers, but such material as coloured paper, evergreens and so forth. Applications for the competion may be sent to... (name address)."
and this one:
Rent that extra room LIlian Allen of the University of Manitoba commences a new series of talks entitled "Furnishing the Home Front". (location, time) "rent that extra Room" is the title of the first talk.
and finally this one, which is a picture of her reading amgazine while waiting to board steamship.
Those are good sources? What happened to "in depth" coverage? I really can't see how they are anything beyond minor mentions. 198.58.171.47 (talk) 03:52, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 00:00, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Red Clay Heroes

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When I first came across this page it looked almost like a speedy delete candidate, but I thought cleaning it up first would be best. I've trimmed it down (removing the worst of the unsourced claims) and there are still a very large number of very grand statements that I simply cannot find reference for. The sources provided in the article, while talking about the film, are largely promotional (pre-release) and quote from the head of the AAT (who was also an executive producer). If someone can provide references for the multitude of {{

cn}} tags I will happily withdraw this nomination, but otherwise I feel that it's an article about a smallish film where the page creator was trying to stretch the truth to make it seem more important. Primefac (talk) 19:25, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Delete I've searched for the spanish titles, the one given here and at IMDB etc and nothing much is found. Galobtter (talk) 08:19, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 20:11, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pebble Smart LLC

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Fails

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  • Comment User s.s.jin: Edits have been made to diversify secondary sources and address concerns of notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.s.jin (talkcontribs) 03:18, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@
conflict of interest this must be disclosed. Many thanks. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 08:39, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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@Jake Brockman: Ah, understandable. I wrote this as a late-night practice, as I am a relatively new editor. Owners of the company are extended family. Upon reading through the simple conflict of interest guide, I see now I have violated several guidelines and should have consulted other members of the community before publishing. As such, I add my recommendation that the article should be deleted.pseudonym s.s.jin
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Delete. Not inherently notable, clearly written with a Coi, and most of the refs are not reputable: even the media reports appear to be the result of a slow-news day ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to BD+03 2562. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BD+03 2562 b

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This has not received enough coverage to be given an article on its own. Elektricity (talk) 04:29, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No mainstream coverage, one dedicated (to this and one other candidate planet) journal paper and two papers mentioning the parent star. Falls far short of
WP:NASTRO. The discovery paper makes the point that this exoplanet is interesting for being found around a low-metallicity giant star but it is hardly unique in that respect and just adds to an intriguing body of evidence. Lithopsian (talk) 17:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. Bushranger is correct: named geographic features such as islands pass

WP:GEOLAND. ♠PMC(talk) 23:58, 21 November 2017 (UTC) redirect to Pearl and Hermes Atoll. Although we usually keep named features per GEOLAND, we can also redirect them when there's a dearth of information about them. It is clear that this Bird Island is not the same notable Bird Island specifically called out in Executive Order 1019 (see File:Hawaiian_Islands_Reservation_EO_1019_illustration.jpg, they're way too far apart), which is where my impression of notability had come from. Although this book source was brought up at the AfD, it is only a single source and unclear how in-depth it is because the actual page is not available for preview. Happily, there's a copy at a library near me, so I've put it on order and will be able to check the information in it within a few weeks. In the meantime, unless or until more verifiable information about this Bird Island can be found, a redirect is suitable and the island can be covered at the atoll's article. ♠PMC(talk) 21:06, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Bird Island, Hawaii

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Not notable enough to be given an article. Elektricity (talk) 04:29, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy keep. Named geographic features such as islands pass
    WP:GEOLAND. Especially when they have book coverage. There is no "not notable enough" in this area. (Also I note the nominator began nominating multiple pages for AfD very quickly following the creation of their account, which is curious behavior.) - The Bushranger One ping only 05:29, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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@The Bushranger One ping only I was under the impression that as Pearl and Hermes Atoll exists as an article, then this island is not notable enough. However after reading the essay you linked, I stand corrected. My apologies for the AFD. I am not sure what the correct procedure is to get the AFD removed, so if you can guide me through that as well; I will appreciate it. I actually made this account to prune an article about a jihadist. He had been given a number of titles etc and the article was being touted on social media as a validation for suicide attacks. Perhaps you can help out there as well? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amir Abdur Rehman Cheema (2nd nomination) Elektricity (talk) 03:29, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's outside my usual area of expertise, but I'll point you to
    have !voted) will be along to close it soon. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:14, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep per The Bushranger. --doncram 15:37, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Following Gene93k's note below, there is "Bird Island (Hawaiian Islands)" which exists as a redirect. But it redirects to Nihoa a different article. Is the subject of the current article the same or different? Maybe "Bird Island" is a nickname of more than one island, or this article simple needs to be converted to another redirect to Nihoa. --doncram 17:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to GNIS, there are two "Bird Islands" in Hawaii. One is a synonym for Nihoa while the other one lies hundreds of miles further west in
    Bird Island (Pearl and Hermes Atoll). • Gene93k (talk) 18:57, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • That muddled my looking for something on it as well, but yes, there are two Bird Islands; Nihoa, and this one in the Pearl-and-Hermes. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:56, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The current co-ordinates point to an area of open water. The only source in the article conflates the location of this island with South East Island. The article currently fails
    WP:V. Can we get an accurate location of this island on a map?--Pontificalibus (talk) 09:19, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Bing Maps as just one example shows our co-ords appearing in open water roughly halfway between Southeast Island and Sand Island (not labelled but visible as a small island of sand). There is clearly no island there. Our single ref, Mapcarta says Bird Island is "nearby to Southeast Island, east of Sand Island" but the position it gives on the map is identical to that of Southeast Island. Either "Bird Island" is a synonym of "Sand Island" or Southeast Island and the Mapcarta text is wrong, or it doesn't exist. Either way the article fails
WP:V--Pontificalibus (talk) 06:11, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • This NOAA site states there are seven islands in total on the atoll. The accompanying map names them and fails to mention Sand Island, placing Bird Island where USGS put Sand Island. I think the only sensible thing is to mention Bird Island in the atoll article, not have a standalone page.
    WP:GEOLAND concurs for unpopulated features that don't meet the GNG.--Pontificalibus (talk) 20:31, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment. Since this is not a settlement, the correct title should be Bird Island (Hawaiian Islands), which already exists as a redirect. A page move is in order if this article survives AfD. • Gene93k (talk) 16:28, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to admins: The nominator has withdrawn the nomination above. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:21, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to
    WP:GEOLAND "Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc. The number of known sources should be considered to ensure there is enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography. For example, a river island with no information available except name and location should probably be described in an article on the river." --Pontificalibus (talk) 09:17, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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On further consideration I am leaning to delete. A search for "Bird Island Hawaii" gives this as the number one result and Bird Island (Hawaiian Islands) as the fifth result, although the latter is clearly the more notable. Deleting this would still enable people to find any mention of a bird island in Pearl and Hermes Atoll while at the same time giving search priority to the more notable island.--Pontificalibus (talk) 06:45, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There is no "more notable", and we absolutely shouldn't be basing keep-or-delete decisions on the basis of search engine optimization. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:19, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There is clearly a primary topic for "Bird Island, Hawaii" and it's not this island. Decisions on redirects should be based only on search optimization.--Pontificalibus (talk) 17:51, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Then perhaps this should be moved to Bird Island (Pearl and Hermes) with Bird Island, Hawaii pointing to the other island? - The Bushranger One ping only 06:29, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I closed the nomination as keep, since the nominator had withdrew before any delete votes. However, Pontificalibus reverted me although his vote came after the withdrawal by the nominator! For attention (@The Bushranger:) --Mhhossein talk 16:55, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
An early non-admin closure was not appropriate given my argument set out above. That the nominator withdrew is irrelevant - if it helps, imagine that I would renominate it myself. --Pontificalibus (talk) 17:51, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Closing the nomination was not valid; Pontificalibus was right to reopen it. It could have been closed by a non-involved party (and, although I don't like the practice, perhaps by an involved party) during the short window when the nomination had been withdrawn and there were no dissenting votes outstanding. But "Bird Island"'s notability is a fair topic to discuss, and closing this early as if there is unanimous opinion is not right. About the merits, I myself don't like the fact that the coordinates do seem to point to water, and no one seems to really know where the island is. Although I voted "Keep" above and still think that is marginally the best, the option of covering the topic in the atoll article also seems reasonable. If that is done then I think the outcome here should be to "Redirect" to an {{anchor}} in the Bird Island disambiguation page, which page should be revised to include an anchor and to cover both of the Hawaii ones. --doncram 19:10, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep' Passes
    WP:GEOLAND. This is a pretty obvious case. Smartyllama (talk) 13:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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@Smartyllama could you elaborate as to how you think it passes GEOLAND? Which bit of that policy says we should have an article and not a redirect? --Pontificalibus (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comprehensive USGS source This USGS report (pages 37-49) states Pearl and Hermes Atoll consists of "North, Little North, Southeast, Grass, and Seal-Kittery Islands and several small sand spits". This is further supported by the hi-res imagery at NCCOS which doesn't show any land present at the supposed location of Bird Island and also states the atoll consists of "several permanent and numerous ephemeral islets". Perhaps someone named a sand spit Bird Island at one point, whether it's still there is in doubt, and in any case there isn't enough to support a separate article, but it could be mentioned in the atoll's article.--Pontificalibus (talk) 07:27, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Islamic Society of Baltimore. Content remains in the history for interested parties to merge. ♠PMC(talk) 23:57, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Rahmah School

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The school is not notable enough to be given a standalone article on wikipedia. Elektricity (talk) 04:25, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was move to Draft:Matt Flynn (politician). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:20, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Flynn (politician)

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Does not meet

WP:GNG. Recreation of the article deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Flynn (Wisconsin politician), but with entirely different sources and more content, so G4 would not apply. However, the notability guidelines still do not seem to be met -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:15, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete (draftify also acceptable.) Being a state political party chair is not an automatic notability freebie that guarantees an article just because the person existed — and while I can't actually see any of the sources being cited, because the links all lead to a login wall rather than the actual content being cited, their headlines do not suggest that Flynn was the subject of enough of them (as opposed to being namechecked or quoted in coverage of other things or people) to give him the benefit of the doubt on whether he clears
    WP:GNG. Bearcat (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete or move to draft space User:Elixiri, you don't help your case by using password protected links, even though such links are permissible. One problem I am having is that I am not finding some of the material you cite when I run a Proquest news archive search. For example, you cite a 1982 article "A thoughtful politician" to Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, but I can't find an article by that title on proquest (this could be a glitch in the search, or reflecting th e use of more than one title by the paper.) So I tried simple facts. If he's notable, articles will come up with a man's birth place or his college used as keywords with his name, but my new archive search on "Matt Flynn" + Middlebush came up empty. Searching "Matt Flynn" + Yale + Wisconsin produced only routine, local campaign coverage (Flynn touts endorsements, Democratic connections,). What we need here is In Depth coverage of activities aside form campaigning for office. Or IN DEPTH coverage of his political roles and campaigns that show substantive impact (such as being credited with changing a law, policy, or, say, the Wisconsin Democratic Party in such a way that his role was the mover behind winning or losing elections. Or we need to show that his candidacy is drawing SIGNIFICANT IN DEPTH attention outside Wisconsin. You are allowed to accept a move of this article to your draft space while you work on it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

TOPYX

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References are either to their listing on Inc's 5000 list, which isn't inherit notability, or to non-notable sources and/or press releases. A

WP:BEFORE didn't show much better. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 03:53, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sports Industry Awards

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  • Delete. The references are non-independent except for one which is routine coverage.
    WP:CORPDEPTH seems to apply here. The article is almost certainly the product of undisclosed paid editing as well. Peacock (talk) 15:09, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect to

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Contested redirect & contested PROD. Not individually notable. Fails

WP:MUSICBIO. I do find some short entries in guitar player magazines and a few others. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:10, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Redirect Weighing in per the multiple relistings. Bottom line: There simply are not any signs this subject is notable outside of his involvement with this band. Indeed, my google search returned ample hits for his name, each one connect him to Avenged Sevenfold. ShelbyMarion (talk) 13:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. A redirect can be done outside the scope of this AfD. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:24, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Emmanuel Weyi

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reliable sources are new stuff that wasn't already taken into account and judged inadequate last time, and the only real evidence that the creator took the first discussion into account at all is that the new version completely eliminates any mention whatsoever of the minor political party Weyi was a candidate for. Nothing present in this version has bolstered the case for includability at all. Bearcat (talk) 08:34, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep I see evidence of passing
    WP:GNG.--TM 21:56, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Where? Bearcat (talk) 02:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In the article. The LA Times, KGNU, Colorado Public Radio and Black Star News.--TM 20:07, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Which I addressed in my nomination statement: "none of the few genuinely
reliable sources are new stuff that wasn't already taken into account and judged inadequate last time". We don't keep an article about every single person who can be shown as having two or three pieces of media coverage — if that were all it took, we would have to keep an article about the woman a mile down the road from my parents who got media coverage for finding a pig in her yard. To get an article kept on just two or three pieces of RS coverage, they have to be verifying passage of an automatic must-include criterion like a politician actually holding a notable office, an actor winning an Academy Award, a writer winning the Pulitzer or the Booker, and on and so forth — but if a person doesn't pass any of our subject-specific inclusion criteria, and instead you're shooting for "notable because media coverage exists", then we need a lot more coverage than Mrs. Yasinowksi and her pig got before a subject passes "notable because media coverage exists". Bearcat (talk) 16:57, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Perhaps that is your definition, but that's not the Wikipedia standard of
WP:GNG. Multiple, independent, in-depth sources. The burden is on you to prove it doesn't meet GNG.--TM 17:20, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The GNG standard is not passed the moment two or three or four pieces of coverage exist without regard to context — as I correctly pointed out earlier, if that were all it took then we would have to keep an article about my mother's neighbour and the pig. If you're shooting for "passes GNG just because media coverage exists, even though nothing stated in the article actually passes any SNGs", then it does take considerably more media coverage than this. Bearcat (talk) 00:09, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Can you quote and point to a policy that indicates what you just wrote is correct? There are multiple, independent, reliable sources covering the topic. I am only aware of GNG as governing this, so if there is another policy, please quote it.--TM 00:29, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Then my mother's neighbour and her pig clear GNG too, because I can show exactly as many pieces of reliable source coverage for her as are present here. I trust you'd agree that she's not encyclopedically notable, however — but if passing an arbitrary number of sources were all it took and there were no need to evaluate the context in which that coverage was given, then what grounds would there be to deem her less notable than Weyi? Bearcat (talk) 17:11, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The standard hear is notability for politicians. That is a higher bar than GNG, because politicians inherently get some routine coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weyi is a politician in Central Africa and yet has coverage in a number of mainstream newspapers and websites on another continent (even in different states). Per
WP:BASIC
, "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability. Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject.

People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below." Can you honestly say it doesn't pass WP:BASIC?--TM 01:24, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He has coverage in a number of mainstream newspapers and websites on another continent (even in different states) because he lived in the United States at the time that he decided to move back to the DRC to run for president, so there was a local human interest angle to the story. That's not the same thing as getting coverage because newspapers organically noticed or paid attention to a non-winning political candidate in a foreign country they wouldn't ordinarily cover. It wasn't coverage that attests to international fame; it was coverage that attests to "local resident does stuff". Bearcat (talk) 17:11, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's value-judging the sources. We really, really should avoid that. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If we avoid that, then in comes the article about my mother's neighbour and her pig — because if we're only allowed to count the number of sources, but not to evaluate their context, then pig lady gets in as has the same number of potential sources that this article is showing. Bearcat (talk) 21:04, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that the neighbor's pig passes GNG and fails WP:NOTNEWSPAPER.  For the topic at hand, stories covering a political loss contribute to GNG, and should not be discounted by the personal likes and dislikes of editors.  Unscintillating (talk) 08:08, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, stories covering a political loss do not contribute to GNG. Being a non-winning candidate for office is not a Wikipedia notability criterion in and of itself, but every non-winning candidate for anything could always show some sources for the fact of their candidacy — which would mean that everybody who was ever a candidate for any political office would always clear GNG. For a non-winning candidate to actually clear GNG, rather, it's necessary to show a depth and breadth of sourcing that marks their candidacy out as exponentially more notable in its own right than most other people's candidacies, which is not demonstrated by just showing the same number of sources that any other candidate could have shown. Bearcat (talk) 18:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment  It appears that coverage by the Los Angeles Times of a citizen (or former citizen?) of Colorado is being deemed "local" interest.  However, GNG does not exclude local sources, as what Wikipedia wants is reliable sources.  Unscintillating (talk) 08:08, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia does accord local sources less weight than national ones in many contexts. If the context of what such sources are covering the person for is not something that would pass a notability criterion right on its face, then the existence of three or four pieces of local sourceability is not in and of itself a GNG pass just because an arbitrary number of sources has been shown. If it were, we would have to keep articles about every person who ever ran for political office anywhere at all, everybody who was ever police chief or fire chief of anywhere, teenagers who got human interest pieces written about them in the local paper because they tried out for the high school football team despite having only nine toes, everybody who was ever president of an elementary school parent-teacher association or a church bake sale committee, and, yes, my mother's neighbour with the pig. We do not just count the footnotes and keep everything that gets to or surpasses three of them: we do evaluate the context in which the coverage is being given, and accord it significantly less weight if there's nothing inherently encyclopedic about that context. Bearcat (talk) 18:39, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, GNG does not weight "encyclopedic" coverage.  If this were true, you'd be able to cite from the guideline.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:42, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
So, trying to find the substance of the above reply: GNG is not sufficient for WP:Events (WP:NOTNEWSPAPER), WP:ORG (WP:AUD), and new organizations and future events (WP:SUSTAINED).  For the context here; GNG is applicable, local sources are ok, and weight is accorded to significant coverage.  The LA Times article contributes to GNG notability.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:42, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In other words, we have to keep an article about every single person or thing that can be shown as the subject of two or three articles in any newspaper anywhere for any reason whatsoever — including every person who ever ran for any political office anywhere at all, everybody who was ever police chief or fire chief of anywhere, teenagers who got human interest pieces written about them in the local paper because they tried out for the high school football team despite having only nine toes, everybody who was ever president of an elementary school parent-teacher association or a church bake sale committee, and my mother's neighbour with the pig. I don't think you'll find many people around here who would agree with such extreme inclusionism, because it would make us less valuable as an encyclopedia if we had no content standards and just kept everything about everybody who could merely be verified to exist. Bearcat (talk) 00:26, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Inclusionism and deletionism are not relevant to this discussion.  What we are talking about now is that GNG is a low bar as Wikipedia is paperless, but since Wikipedia is not indiscriminate, we have several groups of topics in which passing GNG is not also a WP:N pass.  But people is not one of them.  Your ideas to apply new GNG filters is not currently part of the GNG guideline.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing whatsoever about this represents "my" idea to apply "new" GNG filters. AFD has an established consensus that because any candidate for any office could always show three or four sources for the fact, but candidates are not automatically notable just for the fact of being candidates per se, candidates are not deemed to pass GNG just because you can show the same perfectly normal and unexceptional number of normal and unexceptional sources that absolutely any candidate for anything could always show. This is not shit I made up myself — this is a long-established standard that AFD has rightly applied for years because we do not want to become a repository of promotional campaign brochures for people whose only notability claim is that they ran for office and lost. Bearcat (talk) 03:03, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You say, "Nothing whatsoever about this represents "my" idea to apply "new" GNG filters.", but you had no response when I said, "No, GNG does not weight "encyclopedic" coverage.  If this were true, you'd be able to cite from the guideline.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:42, 18 November 2017 (UTC)  As for your claims of what has happened for years at AfD, perhaps you should use your skills as an editor to document those claims in an essay.  Unscintillating (talk) 03:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The onus would be on you to demonstrate how the depth of coverage being shown here was encyclopedic in the first place — as I've pointed out many times above, there are lots of people in the world who have been the subject of three or four pieces of media coverage but still weren't anything we would accept as notable, because the context of what they were getting coverage for wasn't something that would be expected to get a person into an encyclopedia. We do not simply keep every single article that happens to surpass a raw number of footnotes: we most certainly do look at the context in which those footnotes exist, and deprecate certain types of coverage as not adequate support for notability. We most certainly do require non-winning candidates for office to either already have had preexisting notability for other reasons independent of their candidacy, or be able to show that they got significantly more coverage than most other candidates for office could always show — we do not, and never have, kept non-winning candidates for political office just because they can show three or four sources, because every non-winning candidate for office could always show three or four sources. Bearcat (talk) 14:40, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we all need to step back,
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The result was soft delete.

WP:REFUND applies. This seems like something that should be notable - ping me and I can restore it to userspace if anyone wants. The Bushranger One ping only 06:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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International University Theatre Forum in Vilnius

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A festival for university theaters (by definition, amateur theaters) with no indication of notability. Google reveals a few "forum invites you to such and such performance" but not much else. PROD declined because two books are listed (not inline references, no page numbers). One of the is available on Google books and has no mention of Vilnius. Renata (talk) 02:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment was going to vote keep on the basis of those book sources but as one of them does not have Vilnius in the search I will wait for other's comments. Atlantic306 (talk) 02:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of Harmontown podcast episodes

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Hello!

I recently edited this article because it didn't have a uniformed format. I will be inserting podcast synopses. Please do not delete. Thank you!

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The result was no consensus. The Bushranger One ping only 06:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

House of the Wolf Man

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The references just repeat promotional blurbs from the facebook page of the film except for the fangoria article which is a promotional puff piece. I couldn't find a single review from a

reliable source online and no articles about the film that had any actual content. GnomeSweetGnome (talk) 19:38, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy keep. Reviews found which establishes notability, Thanks,

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Karnataka (band)

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Non notable band, There's this and this (both are in the article) however I don't think these are enough to establish notability, Unfortunately the only things I'm finding on Google are all related to Karnataka, Fails BAND & GNG. –Davey2010Talk 19:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Reviews found which establishes notability, Although there's a Delete !vote present in some respects their !votes now moot anyway as per IAR closing this as speedy, Thanks,

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Panic Room (band)

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Non notable band, no evidence of notability, Fails BAND & GNG –Davey2010Talk 19:26, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete all sources are promotional Hiponduion (talk) 19:42, 31 October 2017 (UTC) striking confirmed sockpuppet[reply]
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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:24, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Trustbox

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Previously a Prod with rationale "Previously deleted on English Wikipedia as Trustbox (service) and multiple times on Danish Wikipedia. The visible references are poor; no

WP:SPA article author, so I am now bringing this to AfD. AllyD (talk) 09:57, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Delete Per nom. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Notable and with perfectly fine references.Ramblersen (talk) 10:55, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Reviews found which establishes notability, Although there's a Delete !vote present in some respects their !votes now moot anyway as per IAR closing this as speedy, Thanks,

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Anne-Marie Helder

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Non notable musician, Nothing shows up on G News or Books that establishes any notability Fails NMUSIC & GNG –Davey2010Talk 21:23, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also just to note her band Panic Room (band) is also up at AFD > Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Panic Room (band), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 21:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep has been reviewed in Classic Rock and had airplay on BBC Radio 2. Will search for more references later. Atlantic306 (talk) 14:31, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - lack of significant coverage. PhilKnight (talk) 23:57, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Even discounting the "if someone is only known for playing hockey, they must pass the notability guidelines for hockey players" argument, this is a universal delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

John Badduke

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fails

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  • Strong delete if someone is only known for playing hockey, they must pass the notability guidelines for hockey players.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:19, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is completely false and a drastic misreading of WP:NHOCKEY. If someone passes GNG by attracting significant coverage in multiple sources for playing hockey he meets the necessary notability requirements, even if he doesn't meet any of the specific criteria in NHOCKEY. Rlendog (talk) 12:56, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Also, any discussions on whether to merge this to a hypothetical future List of improvised firearms does not need to be at AFD. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:27, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Paltik

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Really belongs in improvised firearm; only differs from others by the name used locally. Anmccaff (talk) 16:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. The Paltik industry definitely passes GNG, and Paltiks have common characteristics between themselves that differentiate them from other metal shop weapon production in other parts of the world. Improvised Firearm is a poor merge target - focusing on much lower grade firearms.Icewhiz (talk) 06:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge: Icewhiz, I think your logic is clearly suggesting the merge is the proper way to go. Consider zip gun. Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:47, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    These are a "step up" from a zip gun - which is really improvised and homemade. Here we have manufacturing by metal workshops - so small batches of similar weapons (as well as some commonality in the region) - it's basically the way pre-industrial swords or early firearms (e.g.
    Tanegashima (Japanese matchlock)) were made. Icewhiz (talk) 20:06, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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But it does not appear to be a "step up" from the hundreds of other examples of improvised firearms which have plagued the world for too long. Is there anything fundamentally different between this industry and, say, the blacksmiths that made similar weapons in Armenia during the Turkish suppression, or the Mau Mau weapons? The improvised firearm covers the spectrum of weapons from poor quality to "high-quality arms produced by cottage industries", which seems to be precisely where this falls. What am I missing? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:46, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Maury Markowitz: The term itself does meet GNG. The source of my vacillation is the article focus of Improvised firearm, which also states in the lead - An improvised firearm is a firearm manufactured other than by a firearms manufacturer or a gunsmith (emphasis added) and focuses on homemade guns. The Paltiks are an example, to my understanding, of manufacture by a gunsmith (or people who could be seen as gunsmiths) in low-rate serial production (note - the actual Paltik article doesn't really reflect this - and quality of the Paltik article is poor) - see here - Philippine gun makers take aim from the backyard to the production line (Reuters 2012)(referring to gunsmiths who make Paltiks) or 1997 AP video - showing a Palik production shop. Improvised firearm would require quite a bit of work and rewrite to accommodate these properly.Icewhiz (talk) 14:04, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete, this is simply the Filipino word for home made gun. It is not a recognized English language term and has no meaning outside was the Philippines.--RAF910 (talk) 19:19, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:52, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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fails

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The result was redirect to

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Not mentioned in its single reference, not listed in the 2011 census. Demographics fictitious, the rest of the article just a tourist guide. Lashkar is an area of Gwalior, but

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  • Keep: Well, the city region certainly exists and is commonly used on maps, in travel sites, hotel booking sites, and so forth. The only question, therefore, is whether it justifies a separate article or should be redirected to its parent city, Gwalior. The article is currently poorly cited, but the Lashkar district is mentioned in reliable sources like the Financial Times, stating "in 1809, Daulat Rao Scindia took the town and pitched his tents to the south of the fort in an area called Lashkar, which became Gwalior’s new town, with palaces, wide streets, gardens and the royal “chhatris” of these new rulers, now deserted and decayed. The two towns are now effectively one, although it was Lashkar that was the capital of Gwalior state, one of the “princely states” formulated by the British during the Raj". The fact that Lashkar was the state capital says to me that it is certainly notable, and must be discussed in many sources. Britannica says it's a "city" with "many palaces". I'd be inclined to keep this, as substantial places are notable, and the district has an interesting history. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:59, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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    WP:SPINOFF to a subarticle, but it is a very central part of modern Gwalior and their history is intertwined (eg the Lashkar Municipal Corporation), so I think keeping it together now will yield the best results. Batternut (talk) 12:25, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. The article, as noted, does need a lot of work, but

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Apparently not notable, zero sources and basically an article-long table. Should be deleted.

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The result was soft delete.

WP:REFUND applies. The Bushranger One ping only 05:57, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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TouchTunes

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Delete - References fail the criteria for establishing notability and are not "intellectually independent". Most references I can find are either company announcements or based on company announcements or rely exclusively on quotations and interviews with related personnel. Fails

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The result was delete. Given the BLP issues involved, I'm going ahead and

WP:SNOW-ing this. As JPL notes, this might be a notable topic, but as a properly-referenced article, not a BLP-violation-bait list. The Bushranger One ping only 05:21, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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List of celebrities accused of sexual misconduct after Harvey Weinstein

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This is getting a bit out of hand.

recentism without considering if this is appropriate for an encyclopedia. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:19, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Although I'm an advocate of Wikipedia having a role to play in current events, I think this is a pretty good example of a situation the full significance of which is not going to become apparent until after the fact. It's clear that the "Me too" campaign has empowered some women to go public with accusations that they had withheld before, but completely unclear at this time what that trend means. An article on this period of time will probably be in the encyclopedia someday, but only after the sociology and psychology of the events is evaluated in retrospect. Thus, a simple list is not really encyclopedic at this time. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)\[reply]
See Weinstein effect for an article that we already seem to have on the topic.Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 02:29, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – Goes against the grain of BLP policy to use Weinstein as a starting point in the title and content. North America1000 01:28, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This is not a tabloid newspaper. We have a BLP policy for a reason. Magnolia677 (talk) 02:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Lost of problems in this. BLP problems in putting people on a list for some indefinite "accused" and I have issues with "sexual misconduct". Offering job promotions if someone gives you sexual favors is a differt sort of behavior than forcing them to have sex with you. Weinstein has been accused of both. Another factor is the Weinstein accusations have been building for years. Also, Weinstein was not the first celebrity to fall due to such accusations. Accusations of sexual harrasment have been going around for years, treated in different ways in different situations due to a whole slew of factors. Roman Polanski and Bill Cosby come to mind as people accused long before Weinstein, but there are others. Weinstein and his company had actually apparently settled some of the cases related to some of these accusations in the past, so dating the accusation of Weinstein is an issue. One might argue we could rename to "List of celebrities accused of sexual misconduct after Harvey Weinstein was accused in an article in the New York Times". However I am not sure an amorphouse term like "sexual misconduct" is what is needed here. There might be a potential Fall 2017 accusations of sexual harrasment and assault against media executives and actors or something along those lines, but it should be more than just a list, it should be a substantive article, flowing out of reliable source writing on the subject, and I do not think the reliable source writing has coalesced enough to make an article under that title. On the other hand, we may even have articles some what related to this topic.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:14, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • The New York Times does have this article [38] but while I can see including any information not yet present in the related articles, I am not convinced it justifies a list.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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