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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:29, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Georgii Speakman

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Poorly sourced article that has been the subject of

WP:BEFORE search shows plenty of PR stuff but nothing much more substantial. Melcous (talk) 23:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete - It's interesting that the article only defines her as an actress, despite the fact that she doesn't seem to have done any acting for almost a decade. She currently seems to be a businessperson living in LA (maybe an earlier version of the article mentioned that), but the only sources for that are PR or interviews as mentioned above. Not enough to meet
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Delete not enough reliable sources to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:09, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ivor Spencer-Thomas

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Promotional article. Not finding anything like enough to pass

WP:GNG in the citations or anywhere else online or via Google Books etc. Edwardx (talk) 20:30, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Comment. I'm not seeing how it can be a promotional article, given he died 18 years ago! What's it promoting exactly? -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:12, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The tone, style and lack of sources suggest that it is promotional. Promotional content is much more of an issue for BLPs, but people do sometimes start articles on their ancestors and other dead relatives. It was started in 2007, so subject was only dead for 6 years at that point. The article creator has edited Owen Spencer-Thomas, also up for deletion, who I presume is Ivor's son. Edwardx (talk) 10:44, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not really promotional then. Just personal interest. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Edwardx (talk) 17:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Aside from the promotional tone (or, I guess, we can just call it
WP:BIO. Gargleafg (talk) 01:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:38, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Konrad (musician)

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Does not meet

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Weak Delete - A few sources listed, but otherwise non-notable and the page creator may have a connection with the artist. Foxnpichu (talk) 12:16, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable artist. Barca (talk) 14:44, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete or Improve. It lacks enough references as is and I could not find anything in Google news, but also the name is too common to do proper searching. However, being on a record label meets at least some notability guideline. Expertwikiguy (talk) 02:41, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 15:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2015–16 Sloboda Užice season

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This fails

WP:NSEASONS

as the Serbian First League wasn't a professional league until the following season. I was also going to nominate the 2016-17 article but that would fail as the league was professional by then.

I would also like to nominate for the reason that I mentioned above plus the fact there is also going under

WP:PRIMARY

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Keep professionalism isn't a requirement for season articles, just
WP:PRIMARY isn't an issue either. SportingFlyer T·C 02:18, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Comment Technically no they wern't as they were in the second division of Serbian football with the Serbian SuperLiga being the top division of the country. HawkAussie (talk) 02:28, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(edited out an expletive but wanted to note an expletive was uttered) you're right - forgot the Super League was above the Prva Liga. Makes it more marginal. SportingFlyer T·C 06:04, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability, fails GNG. Giant Snowman 09:26, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • ⁽What did I screw up now?) 00:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Atom Motors

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Only sources are LinkedIn and first-party, fails

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Speedy Delete under
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Page has been speedily deleted now. Didn't know that the author was a serial advertiser. From
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The result was move to Draft:Ashley Maynard-Brewer. Some people directly suggested this, others went for keeping, others thought the NFOOTY requirements cause more harm than good and need re-evaluating. In all cases, a move to draft preserves the content while also satisfying concerns about minimal quality / notability requirements for biographies. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ashley Maynard-Brewer

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. The EFL Cup match against Swansea U-21 is not a match between two fully professional teams. Simione001 (talk) 21:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Fair nomination given the failure of NFOOTY, but enough out there for GNG in my opinion: [1], [2], [3] -
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Draftify just a bit too soon and much of the coverage presented is routine - applying the ten-year test
WP:10YT, if his football career ended today, we wouldn't have an article on him in ten years. SportingFlyer T·C 02:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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SKennedy157 He has played a professional game for Charlton Athletic See match report here.Report He therefore qualifies for a page as he is likely to go out on loan to other professional and semi-professional clubs in the future gaining further football experience. Seems pointless to remove a page that is likely to be remade in the future.

He played against a U21 team, which consensus says does not count toward
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SKennedy157 While it was an U21 team it has counted in all players official first team stats for those who have played in the EFL Trophy and has been included as a first team start in official records. See Soccerbase link here [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.108.140.14 (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
SKennedy157 Also the EFL Trophy - despite allowing U21 teams to play in it - is a fully professional competition in the English Football League system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.108.140.14 (talk • contribs)

That's fine and true, but we require as part of
WP:NFOOTBALL a showing that a player played in a game between two fully professional teams. Swansea U21 are not fully professional, sorry. Also, it's helpful if you sign your posts instead of bolding your user name - you can do this by typing the ~ character four times after your post. SportingFlyer T·C 12:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Draftify - doesn't meet NFOOTBALL and not quite convinced by GNG (yet). Draftifying allows article improvement/expansion for it to be notable and moved back in due course. Giant Snowman 09:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete it is time to end the absurdity of making people notable from playing in one match.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:59, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  - No it doesn't, that's the very reason why the article was brought to AfD in the first place. The player has not played in a fully pro game therefore he doesn't meet NFOOTY and that's why the article was nominated for deletion! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Apologies! I was looking at a few AfDs, got my wires crossed... not sure why John is mentioning the one game then. Quick spot that,
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The result was soft delete.

WP:REFUND applies. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Aleax

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Minor, non-notable fictional creature. Aside from the handful of primary sources already here, there really isn't much out there regarding this one. Searching for sources brings up a few unrelated things with the same name, but no reliable sources discussing this. Rorshacma (talk) 21:17, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Non-notable topic. TTN (talk) 17:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, non-notable BLP. Note that I am therefore moving the now-unambiguous

Mark Lindquist (sculptor) to this title. bd2412 T 00:07, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Mark Lindquist

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My name is Mark and I am the subject of this article. I’m requesting it be deleted. I am not notable according to Wikipedia guidelines as I was only a locally elected official and also no longer serve in that capacity. The page has been used over the last few years as a political platform by someone prosecuted by my former office. While I appreciate someone apparently finds me worthy to put on Wikipedia, the article doesn’t appear to follow Wikipedia guidelines. As such, I request as a courtesy that the article about me be deleted. MarkLindq (talk) 20:43, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment as a note, the platform has been used by both those heavily against and in favour of Mark Lindquist. This has nothing to do with his notability, but it's a relevant point as to the BLP aspects of the article. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:NAUTHOR/author notability. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Delete county prosecutors are not default notable. The coverage of him is not enough to show notability, and there is no good reason to have super indepth coverage of the debates over what devisces are public records.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'd argue that this is a subject on the cusp of notability but not quite there. I agree with the above comment that the coverage is (1) not sufficient for notability and (2) unnecessary in its scope. Gargleafg (talk) 01:31, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per
WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. The subject of the article, being a relatively unknown non-public figure, requests its deletion, so this request should be fulfilled. Utopes (talk) 00:26, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect to One Life to Live. Tone 20:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mendorra

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This article currently fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 20:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Notable locale within the series, and though many of the citations are for plot, there are a few from external sources like TV Guide that assert general notability. I'll take a look and see if these sources are being used to their fullest extent, etc.— TAnthony^Talk 20:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, Redirect to One Life to Live. There is adequate mention of the fictional country there, including related citations.— TAnthony^Talk 15:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to One Life to Live. Maybe the current Production section can be merged there, but there is only one mention of Mendorra in OLtL, so merging may be excessive. – sgeureka ^t•c 20:25, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. bd2412 T 04:19, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Felipe Nogueira

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In 2010 and 2010, the player had 9 appearances in the Brazilian regional league

WP:GNG-satisfying sources. We don't appear to have any source material from which to write an article, other than statistics websites. – Levivich 19:59, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete per nom. I have concerns about Brazilian regional leagues being considered fully-pro, and in the absence of any substantive sourcing he cannot be considered notable. Giant Snowman 09:25, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - We could have this conversation all day about notability, but the fact is, as it stands, some Brazilian state leagues are professional, and Felipe Nogueira has made 9 appearances in a professional league. If this page is deleted, there would be hundreds of pages for Brazilian players that would need to be deleted too, let alone all of the players who have made one or two appearances in pro leagues or for a lower-ranked FIFA nation. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 12:04, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm not 100% familiar with how Brazilian leagues are technically classified. I was able to find a few sources that reference Nogueira directly (Announcing his retirement, going on loan to Guarani, and declining to take an assistant coaching position with Uberaba). It's not a lot but it's something. There are also other sources if you search his name along with the other teams he's played for. My lack of familiarity with Brazilian leagues keeps from voting definitively on this one, however. But maybe those sources will inform others who know more than me? Gargleafg (talk) 01:08, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - Article about footballer who spent much of his career with semi-professional clubs, but appears to have played a significant amount of games in the Campeonato Mineiro (top-tier league for Minas Gerais state). The league includes a few very popular clubs from Belo Horizonte, and the league is covered well in the Brazilian media, particularly within the state (although less so than the Carioca or Paulista championships). I'm not certain it's at the same status because there are several teams outside of Belo Horizonte that appear to have a much smaller following. That said, I found plenty of routine coverage, mostly in media based in Minas Gerais state, and some more in-depth coverage at the Jornal da Manhã newspaper (locally based in Uberaba). I've updated the article, but given the local nature of the coverage, and his rather unimpressive stint in US soccer, I'm thinking this is a borderline notable article. Jogurney (talk) 01:37, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. This is a misguided nomination. Footballer clearly meets the professional standard. gidonb (talk) 02:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes
WP:FOOTY exist to provide for the inclusion of certain defined subjects that cannot immediately be shown to pass GNG. An SNG provides for a presumption of notability, not a presumption of non-notability An SNG cannot be used to exclude/delete an article when the subject passes GNG, but the reverse is patently absurd because that would negate the entire reason for the existence of SNGs.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:01, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect to Gigolo Aunts. RL0919 (talk) 20:22, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bloom (Gigolo Aunts song)

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Non-charting single. Single source is a guidebook which does not establish notability. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 19:03, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to
Newspapers.com, but I am uncertain if it is enough to establish enough notability for a separate article. However, since at least a limited amount of coverage does exist and this could be a viable search term, then a redirect would seem like a better course of action rather than outright deletion. Aoba47 (talk) 00:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Redirect to Gigolo Aunts per Aoba47. Little coverage, only one source and the article is poorly written. Foxnpichu (talk) 12:17, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Firm consensus that he does not show notability Nosebagbear (talk) 19:16, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Francois Willie Cloete

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Cloete is not a prominent politician. His article clearly fails

WP:GNG. He has never been elected or held a public office. He has only ever been a candidate and held leadership positions in many minor, insignificant parties. Most sources are unreliable. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 18:35, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete. Being treasurer of a small fringe political party is not an automatic free pass over
WP:GNG in lieu of having to hold a notable political office. Bearcat (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. Non-notable politician with no current affiliation to a political party. LordNkosi (talk) 10:56, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. A clear lack of notability here. Gargleafg (talk) 00:46, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus that individual is not notable through any of their positions Nosebagbear (talk) 19:17, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Haggerty

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Fails

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Delete. County board of supervisors is not an "inherently" notable role for the purposes of
routine local coverage that every county councillor can always expect to receive in their local media, which is not enough to make him more notable than most of the tens of thousands of other county councillors in North America who don't have Wikipedia articles. Bearcat (talk) 20:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Do Not Delete. Take for example the fact that the Metropolitan Transportation Commission is notable enough to have a wikipedia page. Supervisor Haggerty is currently the Chair of the Metropolitan Transportation Commission^[1], leading all other elected officials on the Commission. Supervisor Haggerty's wikipedia page should be justified as notable on these grounds alone. Additionally, Wilma Chan is also on the Alameda County Board of Supervisors. Given she is no longer a state senator, does her page still qualify as notable?--Dst20191 (talk) 22:57, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is

not inherited, so the fact that Chan has an article does not mean that her colleagues on the county board get to have articles, even if they haven't also served in the state legislature, just because she has one: each person is judged according to their own most notable office attained, and not anybody else's. And the fact that the transit board has an article about it as a company does not mean its chair automatically gets to have a biographical article about him as a person either: chair of a local infrastructure board or not, he still has to pass the same notability test as any other local politician: namely, enough reliable source coverage to make him much more nationally significant than most other people at this level of office. Bearcat (talk) 00:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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In regards to being notable at the national level, Supervisor Haggerty currently represents Alameda County on the National Association of Counties, serving as Vice Chair of the Transportation Steering Committee and formerly as Chair for a number of years.[2] Additionally, Scott serves on the Board of Directors of the California Association of Councils of Government.^[3] In regards to Supervisor Haggerty's participation in these organizations, the Supervisor has been exceptionally active/engaged at the national and state-wide level when compared with the vast majority of county supervisors in the nation. Based on these grounds alone, Supervisor Haggerty far surpasses the requirements for categorization as "notable" within the Wikipedia guidelines.--Dst20191 (talk) 20:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

None of those are NPOL-passing roles. Nobody below the state legislature gets an automatic notability freebie just because he exists — what has to nationalize to make a person at the county level of office notable enough for an encyclopedia is his range of reliable source media coverage, not just the list of organizations he happens to be on the boards of. And incidentally, happening to have staff profiles on the self-published websites of his own employers ain't evidence of notability either. There's no such thing as notability without media coverage. Bearcat (talk) 20:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete members of the governing board of a county are not default notable for such, and without that we lack enough sources to show that Haggerty is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:25, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete only locally notable politician. SportingFlyer T·C 01:37, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Bionicle media#Games. Tone 20:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bionicle: Maze of Shadows

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Only received one review according to GameRankings and appears to lack any significant coverage. Toa Nidhiki05 18:09, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per nom. No prejudice toward redirecting to List of Lego video games or a more specific target, should it exist. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 20:04, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails
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The result was keep. Tone 20:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pablo Miller

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mostly 1-event

WP:1E. This is a minor player in a big event. MartinezMD (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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I object to deletion. Two other editors have contributed to the article since I started it. Given a little time, the article could become more comprehensive. The fact that Pablo Miller has been awarded an OBE suggests that he is a notable person. Mock wurzel soup (talk) 16:08, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep so far on the face of it, though I am willing to be persuaded otherwise upon further elucidation of the potential lack of appropriate encyclopedic material, or policy. In addition to this one event, which generated
WP:ANYBIO's "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" for the OBE applies here and lends weight to notability, though does not guarantee notability. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:47, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete.

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Bank-A anomaly

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Author recreated article that had been deleted within the past 36 hours. Possible COI based on editors name. Article is not well written and I am not sure it can be saved. It appears to me, that if this is indeed written by the man at the center of the case, that he is trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame.MensanDeltiologist (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - non-notable event; no extensive news coverage to prove otherwise. Kirbanzo ^{(userpage - talk - contribs)} 13:52, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is clearly lacking notability. Barca (talk) 15:20, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No
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The result was delete. Tone 20:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Motto by Hilton

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Non notable, as yet unopened hotel brand largely sourced to press releases and promotional in tone "capturing local culture through its design and food and beverage offerings" Theroadislong (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Not enough non promotional coverage found, and written like an advertisment by a paid editor. ~~
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Delete or Redirect - the topic looks to be a
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 20:24, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Kingston (musician)

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Non-notable musician. Nothing in the article suggests he passes

WP:NMUSICIAN and my searches didn't find anything in-depth and independent indicating chart success or anything else which might suggest notability. Neiltonks (talk) 15:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Weak Delete due to the fact there are a few sources. Foxnpichu (talk) 12:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom, the subject does not appear notable. I could not find any information in an online search to support notability, and the only secondary source in the article is a performance on a daytime talkshow.
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Delete - none of the sources in the article appear to be
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The result was merge to

Pearls Before Swine (comic strip). MBisanz ^talk 15:33, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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List of Pearls Before Swine characters

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Yet another example of how crufty we have become. A list of non-notable characters, consisting mostly of original research, and tagged for over a decade. Such content is simply not of any encyclopedic value, and is better placed on Wikia. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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As the parent article has no content at all in its character section, just a link to this list, at best this would be merged and redirected there. There has been no attempt to perform or propose a merger nor even discuss on either talk page (not since
WP:ATD. This forum should be a last resort, never the first. postdlf (talk) 17:34, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Merge/delete Lol I created this over a decade age as a merge of the individual characters (original version). It would be fair to merge that version or whatnot to the main Pearls_Before_Swine_(comics)#Characters, but this has grown to quite the crufty monstrosity. Could have been done non-controversially on its own seeing we know how this will go and the list was just built up over the years by IPs. Reywas92^Talk 18:15, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge without redirect. I don't have an issue with using AfD instead of a merge discussion. AfDs get more attention outside of the article's page watchers and the outcome is more binding. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of The Walking Dead (TV series) characters#Judith Grimes. Tone 20:55, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Judith Grimes

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Yet another entry from fandom. Zero real world notability. Nothing but mentions. Fails

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Keep - I will try to find sources today and/or tomorrow as I find the time. For the character's first six seasons she was just a baby/toddler, and while she was occasionally a plot device, she was most often just there. I do not think it is helpful to mention every time someone carries her around, for example? Those seasons can be summed up in two to three small paragraphs at most. That said, her appearances in the ninth season as an older child gained a lot of attention and I will go through them to try to find what I can to build a decent development/reception section. Season 10 just started, so there may not be much material for her there. BOZ (talk) 15:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Sources have been added to build up the development and reception sections, and I believe that this article is now meeting the
  WP:GNG. BOZ (talk) 21:43, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  - Sorry, but that sourcing is brief mentions from the popular press--I don't consider that to be in-depth coverage. Drmies (talk) 22:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why this was tagged for deletion when there are

WP:ATDs, onel5969? At worst, this would be a merge or redirect to List_of_The_Walking_Dead_(TV_series)_characters#Judith_Grimes, which it was originally. Alerting the creator of the actual article, AND722. Boleyn (talk) 15:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Hi Boleyn - because I tried those routes (redirecting to list), and was reverted without significant improvement. Hence the need for a discussion. I honestly would be quite fine with it redirecting to the list.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:35, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, onel5969 :) Boleyn (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect - The current reception as of writing this now seems a bit improperly weighted, extending quotes to give sources more of a presence than the quote really provides. It is a pretty major show, so it might be that there are more meaty sources on the character. TTN (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No delete - I can find more sources and adventures of the character do not delete or redirect. Thanks.Tia Canita (talk) 11:20, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Well. Maybe next time don't do this, without explanation or edit summary. Drmies (talk) 20:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. There is some sourcing to allow one or two well-verified sentences in the main article. Everything else is just plot, of course--par for the course. Drmies (talk) 20:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge & Redirect to List_of_The_Walking_Dead_(TV_series)_characters#Judith_Grimes - Like Drmies said, the sourcing is enough to add a bit of referenced information to the character list, but not enough to support an independent article. Rorshacma (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator. No prejudice against renomination of individual articles.

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Agol

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One line article with no reference since 2012. A neighbourhood article with no information or no practical purpose. Nizil (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Most articles in Category:Neighbourhoods in Ahmedabad have similar problems. Some of them have more information (mostly with no reference) than a sentence but not beyond demographics or local places. These articles have no practical purpose. They were created by Renamed user xwt3mg45c51n2y2j808. -Nizil (talk) 14:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So I am also nominating the following related pages (no reference/single sentence article):

Alam Roza (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Anand Nagar (Ahmedabad) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Badarkha (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Bahiyal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Polarpur (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Rajpur Gomtipur (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Odhav (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Navjivan (Neighbourhood) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views
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I am also nominating the following related pages (some information, mostly demographic, poor references):

Ahmedabad Cantonment (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Ambawadi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Amraiwadi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Asarwa Chakla (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Bapunagar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Paldi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Ramol (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Ranip (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Navarangpura (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Naranpura (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views
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Memnagar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

(Large article, poor to few references)

Naroda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Motera (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I am nominating these much for now.-Nizil (talk) 14:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep All per
WP:GEOLAND. If there are one or two stubs that you feel genuinely merit a deletion then please nominate them separately. This AfD Bunching is unacceptable to me.--DBig Xrayᗙ 15:59, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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References

^ "Commissioners". Metropolitan Transportation Commission. Retrieved 22 October 2019.
^ "Honorable Scott Haggerty". National Association of Councils of Government. Retrieved 24 October 2019.
^ "Board of Directors". California Association of Councils of Government. Retrieved 24 October 2019.
^ "Disctrict Census Handbook" (PDF). Census of India. Government of India. Retrieved 22 October 2019.

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WP:GEOLAND. —usernamekiran(talk) 16:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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User:Usernamekiran the only thing missing in ur line is an obvious Keep. --DBig Xrayᗙ 17:05, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray: lol. That's true. I would have done that, but then there are few articles like Anand Nagar (Ahmedabad). —usernamekiran(talk) 17:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all and nominate one by one if required. @Nizil Shah:, it would be really hard to discuss more than one article at one go. May I suggest that you withdraw the bulk nomination and then gradually nominate them individually if you feel they are not notable?. In some cases, if a standalone article is not feasible (particularly for small neighbourhoods), it could be merged into the article of a larger entity. If possible please nominate them slowly (like 2 or 3 a week), since it takes time to search for sources as well. I am willing to help out with finding references, but it will be difficult to find all in one go.--DreamLinker (talk) 17:00, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep All are notable per
WP:MULTIAFD. Smartyllama (talk) 20:48, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Procedural Keep as the articles nominated in bulk do not fall under same category to have a common AFD. Some are census towns and some are neighbourhoods within census towns. Both of these have different notability standards and we shouldn't waste editors' time in discussing all together. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:22, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawing nomination. After reading all comments, I agree that bulk nomination will not be fruitful. I will nominate one by one. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 06:09, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Gareth Branwyn. Tone 20:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Street Tech

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Unremarkable personal website Rathfelder (talk) 14:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Gareth Branwyn. --KartikeyaS343 (talk) 14:54, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gareth Branwyn, where this is mentioned. There is nothing here to merge -- it's just a brief unsourced line with OR. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 02:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Donegal Tuesday

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Irrelevant unofficial student event The Banner talk 17:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/Merge into new section in
NUI Galway or Rag (student society) or Galway#Events and festivals. "Irrelevant" to what exactly? As per "Redirects for discussion" discussion here, there's enough content from reputable national sources over more than 5 years. This is a thing, and it's a thing worth a mention in this encyclopedia.Bogger (talk) 17:26, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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- Than you can start listing almost every student party and group. By the way, as it is an unofficial event, merging with the three targets you have mentioned is not a good idea. Those ties are non-existent. The Banner talk 19:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Spleodrach (talk) 16:27, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Heebie-jeebies (idiom)

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary: The entirety of this article is just a definition of the phrase "heebie-jeebies" and its origins — Chevvin 19:43, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Merge into Billy_DeBeck#Legacy where it is appropropiate to explain the origin of the phrase. Andrew D. (talk) 22:31, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. I'm going to add the origin of the phrase to the dab page Heebie-jeebies, which makes this page superfluous. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:19, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The addition to the DAB page that Clarityfiend added should be sufficient to direct readers to Billy DeBeck's page for more information on the origin of the phrase, and is a far more likely destination for searches than this. There is no actual sourced information here that needs to be merged there, as well. Rorshacma (talk) 19:36, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Ink Tank

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I am unable to locate any

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Delate or merge: This is not primiary animation studio. i.e a studio that produce its own movies or frames them out in parts its only company that takes commisions from other so they don't own anything they do. DoctorHver (talk) 11:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of Heinlein planets

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No real world information, no references to pass

WP:PLOT details only. Each novel should easily be capable of describing the important locations for necessary plot context. TTN (talk) 11:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete per nom. Serves no useful purpose that I can see. There are no significant cross-novel connections that I can think of (... except Earth, of course, and Mars sorta, though Red Planet isn't included). Clarityfiend (talk) 04:59, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete--just a listing of individually non-notable items, lacking secondary sourcing. Drmies (talk) 20:15, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete when a list is sourced only to the fictionally works the listed items come from it clearly has not shown justification for existing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:55, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per the above. Aoba47 (talk) 21:01, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:13, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dowling-Neven law

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A user with a declared COI on

original research aiming to show that Dowling came up with the "law" first. No secondary source is provided to support that statement, nor the use of the term "Dowling-Neven law". Ariadacapo (talk) 10:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete. I find exactly one external use of "Dowling-Neven law", and that's a blog article by Dowling (who also wrote this article). --mfb (talk) 13:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Not yet an established term. XOR'easter (talk) 15:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Move or Redirect. "
Neven's law" appears to be the accepted name, so move it to there or redirect to Hartmut Neven. This will let people who come across blog posts find out what it is.----Fabrictramp | talk to me 17:14, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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- "Neven's law" isn't really a thing, either; it's one guy's bit of sales talk, propagated by the fluffiest of pop-science "journalism", and having no real detectable presence in the quantum information science community. XOR'easter (talk) 17:56, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:NEO. Its a term that was coined earlier this year, about a theory that predicts an event that might happen this year, based on very limited data. Too new, and too poorly sourced.--Srleffler (talk) 19:13, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  - I've restored
    Neven's law. The merits of that should be discussed there, rather than here to keep it simple. Widefox; talk 08:34, 25 October 2019 (UTC) Update - fixed uppercase. Widefox; talk 10:16, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. insufficient sources and COI editing. Xxanthippe (talk) 05:31, 23 October 2019 (UTC).[reply]
Delete couldn't find a secondary source, but there are for Neven's Llaw. Widefox; talk 08:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wordtheque

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Very short unreferenced article. Appears to relate to this: http://www.logoslibrary.eu/index.php?newsearch=1&code_language=EN Rathfelder (talk) 10:28, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete per

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2019 4 Hours of Silverstone (disambiguation)

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This is a pointless DAB as the primary topic (2019 4 Hours of Silverstone) can simply have a hatnote (which it now has) pointing to the secondry topic (2019 ELMS 4 Hours of Silverstone, which is yet to be created) making this page (which was created from a page move (see Talk: 2019 4 Hours of Silverstone for details)) redundent.
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Delete for nom's reasons. Narky Blert (talk) 12:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom.
ignoring that in this instance (thought of doing it myself). I'd still support deletion even if the hatnote were removed as a disambiguation page for two terms, one of which doesn't have an article, is pretty useless for readers. Wug·a·po·des 16:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Delete for nom's reason. TJSRX (talk) 07:56, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Per the nom's reasons. HawkAussie (talk) 08:15, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:13, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kidatz

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Subject is a Tanzanian actor and dancer. A

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Delete: fails
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The result was delete. Tone 20:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chester Tam

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This has been recreated & deleted a few times, mainly by what looks like an SPA account. Credits are mainly on small internet projects, bit parts in movies, staff writer on minor shows, etc. Very little RS, questionable notability. JamesG5 (talk) 09:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per
WP:GNG. One NBC News article and annoucements that Gabrielle Union will star in and produce his next production[11] don't constitute enough media notice. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:48, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Silent Voices (2005 film)

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Another non-notable film article from the promoters of Paul Atherton HouseOfChange (talk) 16:22, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Week keep as this one did receive some reliable sources coverage such as a review in Empire Magazine, DVD monthly magazine and some related coverage in The Big Issue, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:36, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per reasons cited by Atlantic306 Itsallnewtome (talk) 20:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment A few
Wikipedia:NFO) "full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics" or "at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release." Wikipedia notability is a high bar, this film doesn't reach it. HouseOfChange (talk) 22:47, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Keep: Notable with enough coverage.
WP:NFO is being misused because it doesn't state that is what a film article must have. That section of the film notability guideline is titled "Other evidence of notability", meaning that the section is only for if a film article doesn't meet the general notability guideline. SL93 (talk) 02:41, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. The empire review is the only decent bit of coverage about the film. One slightly good piece is not enough. Passing mentions and a capsule review fall well short. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:46, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 09:41, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Teri O'Neill

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Article fails to demonstrate that

WP:GNG is met. A local politician has no inherent notability. Only one ref discusses subject but not in any depth. Contested PROD. Since I prodded, there's been one new source with some substance but not enough to achieve GNG. Schwede 66 08:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Comment Member of the Wellington City Council. --Enos733 (talk) 14:49, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused by your comment, Enos733. I'm sure anybody commenting here would read the article first and yes, that is what they would find out about the subject. What is your rationale for making that comment? What does it mean? What does it add to this AfD? Schwede 66 17:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My comment is two fold. First, it provides a placeholder comment about the best possible claim of meeting and the standard upon which to judge

WP:NPOL. For local officials, we regularly do consider city size, not as the criteria, but as a criteria (especially for mayors and councilmebers from global cities). When the nom states "local politician" without context, it takes community members an additional click to understand the context of the discussion. --Enos733 (talk) 04:44, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete. Wellington NZ is not a large or internationally prominent enough city to hand its city councillors an automatic free pass over
WP:NPOL. At this level, getting a city councillor into Wikipedia requires the ability to demonstrate that she is substantively a special case of significantly greater nationalized or internationalized notability than the norm for city councillors — but this article is neither stating nor sourcing anything that would demonstrate that. Note that only one other current member of Wellington City Council has an article at all (who?), and it's also up for deletion for the same reason. Bearcat (talk) 20:49, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Inclined to agree, but who is the other current councillor with an article up for deletion? Hugo999 (talk) 01:14, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tamatha Paul; has already been deleted. Schwede 66 18:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it is time to end special pleading and to make all members of city councils pass or fall on GNG, and O'Neill falls.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:27, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete subject clearly does not meet notability guidelines. Kiwichris (talk) 01:00, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 09:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Level 1(Cheat Codes EP)

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Delete per
WP:NALBUMS. Almost A9'd it but turns out that Cheat Codes (DJs) do have an article. WOuld not recommend redirection due to erroneous title spacing. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 08:49, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per Ten Pound Hammer. I was actually just about to type out my standard rationale on why non-notable albums, songs, EPs, or other musical projects should be redirected to the main article for the artist whenever possible, but I did not notice the title spacing until the above comment. Thank you for pointing it out, as I just completely read over it. Aoba47 (talk) 14:36, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete - Unsourced, uncategorised, non-notable. Foxnpichu (talk) 12:21, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 20:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Elliot Eastwick

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No demonstration of notability. (Discogs is crowd sourced) Roxy, the dog. wooF 08:30, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I’m Elliot Eastwick. This page is constantly being trolled and edited with untruth and abuse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elliot Eastwick (talk • contribs) 09:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable DJ.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:07, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -
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The result was redirect and merge to List of Macross characters. Note that the merge still needs to be done; the history has been retained. Yunshui ^雲 _水 11:21, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Roy Focker

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Fictional character bio that fails to discuss his significance/reception and I don't see much else there. Supporting character in a long running classic anime, but unlikely to be notable on its own. BEFORE shows some mentions in passing, but primarily summaries of his fictional character bio, and a little bit about merchandise (appearance in a video game, etc.). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:26, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Macross characters. ミラ P 12:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a main character in the series, but like with Max, could merge with the List of characters if there isn't enough independent notability. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:08, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Macross characters, mergers can be done through the kept editing history as needed. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:32, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Yunshui ^雲 _水 11:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

H. D. Gunawardhana

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Fails to satisfy the criteria under WP:NACADEMIC. It has been identified as needing improvement since 2017 with no substantial changes made. When the article was PROD'd in 2017 it was deprod'd on the basis that it appeared to address criteria #3, which relates to a person a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor. There are no sources provided which confirm that he has been appointed as a fellow - which was identified as being an issue in 2017. Most of the other references/sources are dead links or mentions in passing. Dan arndt (talk) 06:24, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. A source has now been cited by
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Comment. Yes, I added the source. I have some reservations about notability, though: usually, someone who passes
WP:NPROF criteria. I didn't find it here. For example citations of his work seem to be nearly nonexistent. But perhaps he was appoint to NAS Sri Lanka on the basis educational work or service to the profession. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Russ Woodroofe (talk • contribs) 11:11, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Keep. His scholarly output also looks weak to me, with Google Scholar citation counts 21, 19, 10, ... But I just added a source for a likely pass of
WP:PROF#C6 (president of Sri Lanka Association for the Advancement of Science [12]), confirming the notability already in evidence by #C3 above. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:53, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Keep.
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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

St. John's-Kilmarnock School

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Last AfD few years ago closed by saying that all high schools are notable per

WP:GNG. And so far, the article fails at this, badly, and I don't see much else in my WP:BEFORE. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:09, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Keep. OUTCOMES is neither a policy nor a guideline, it's simply a documentation of what usually takes place and is furthermore confirmed by tacit consensus through 1,000s of school AfD closures. The cited RfC actually had no clear consensus - it's mainly interpreted by peope who want to read out of it what they 'like' - mainbly deletionists. The RfC aolso inferred that whatever its outcome, it should not be used as an excuse to start tagging existing school articles for deletion. This article already survived one AfD by an overwhelming consensus to that effect so there is no need to revisit it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:56, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. 400 pupil all-through school. 10+ Google pages of references- some primary, but detailed comparison sites such as Our Kids "St. John's-Kilmarnock School - Waterloo Region (Breslau) Private Day Boarding School". www.ourkids.net.. Its an IB-school so that seals notability. The way forward is to use these references and build up the article.ClemRutter (talk) 07:46, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. tedder (talk) 09:33, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I've added a few sources, documenting the school's enabling legislation in 1972 and its accreditation status. Meets
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Keep per Kudpung and passes
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Betegy

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Run of the mill article about a start up. Most references are primary, press-releases and trivial business as usual report about attempts to get financing. Did get coverage in a WSJ blog [13], so that's something, even through blogs associated with bigger reliable news outlets are still, well, blogs (

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 10:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The WSJ "blogs" are not necessarily how we would think of blogs. Despite it having the name "blog", it is not the same as a contributor platform such as Forbes Sites or unpaid contributors for Entrepreneur. People can't simply sign up and post anything they want so there is editorial oversight with who they let submit content. With that in mind, that is the best piece available I could find. Now, all of its coverage seems to be surrounded by a general announcement of the company entering the market. This WOULD fall under
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hasaris

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No indication this plot device (fictional alien race) passes

WP:GNG. Unreferenced too, BEFORE finds only mention in passing, primary brief in-universe descriptions with no indication of real world significance. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete - Non-notable topic. TTN (talk) 16:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: non-notable cruft. Drmies (talk) 20:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete per

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Pantanal Linhas Aéreas Flight 4763

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Non-notable runway excursion with no injuries to speak of. runway excursions happen all the time are non-notable in themselves. The fact that the aircraft is an insurance write-off is not notable either. As the article states this is the 18th hull loss of an ATR, what makes this so notable to require an article?. Generally

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This appears to be very closely related to TAM Airlines Flight 3054 - a fatal accident at the same airport, due to the same cause (i.e. aquaplaning on a part refurbished runway) the next day. As such Keep, as this appears to be part of a pattern of accidents and near misses at the airport.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the incident, on its own, is not independently notable. The of the four sources presented, three are directories and one is the government-issued incident report. No accompanying news coverage. Since it may be related to the TAM flight the next day, some of the information may be merged to that article if it is mentioned in sources describing or contemporaneous with the TAM crash (to avoid
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Delete Agree with above. Not notable enough for a stand alone article. - Samf4u (talk) 20:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'm not finding any lasting coverage (or even significant coverage in multiple sources from 2007): the only Google search results comprise a small handful of sources describing the coverage immediately after the incident (in 2007) or Wikipedia mirror sites. This isn't notable enough for a standalone article, but it could be worth mentioning in the article about the TAM crash if that can be sourced. ComplexRational (talk) 20:57, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per
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Delete nothing in the article indicates that it is noteworthy for a stand-alone article. MilborneOne (talk) 15:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – per SportingFlyer. This incident is only relevant in the context of the much more serious TAM crash the following day, assuming the underlying cause or causes are related. If so, a mention in a Background section on the TAM crash article would be appropriate. --Deeday-UK (talk) 21:40, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no significant coverage of the topic in particular, as far as I'm aware from other comments. Utopes (talk) 01:59, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - just not notable, fails
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The result was delete. Relevant content already merged into players' articles. Fenix down (talk) 07:35, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of international goals scored by Kyaw Ko Ko

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I am also nominating the following related page due to the low number of events that have occured in that list as well:

Both lists are very useless and fail

WP:GNG. They should be merged back into their respective players' biography articles. — KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 03:00, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete the nominated article as it has already been merged into Kyaw Ko Ko article and also Merge for the Gurban Gurbanov article as like the nominator said both of them isn't really useful to have it's own seperate article. HawkAussie (talk) 03:11, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete both as I've merged the relevant information in Gurbanov's article. SportingFlyer T·C 10:30, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability justifying separate articles. Giant Snowman 10:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both per nom. Govvy (talk) 09:39, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no good as a standalone article. Content could be merged, but it's frankly unencyclopedic. Utopes (talk) 23:26, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. There is a clear absence of consensus for deletion at this time, and nothing in the discussion lends to thinking that relisting is likely to resolve in that direction. bd2412 T 03:57, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Civic Community

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Lacks significant in-depth

WP:GNG. Meeanaya (talk) 02:43, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete: only given a passing mention; therefore, too thin coverage. Passing mentions are usually not counted, refer to statement in
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Keep The real political force that postulates Carlos Mesa is CC, like the MUD in Venezuela or other electoral coalitions that have an article. The FRI is only a minority party whose legal status serves this purpose.--FelipeRev (talk) 03:03, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@
AnUnnamedUser: It is notable for the fact that it is the second force in an election of importance to the country where the events occur. In addition, the article has numerous sources of different media, so I do not consider that the argument that there are no reliable sources can be taken as valid. The article can be expanded, it is not necessary to delete it.--FelipeRev (talk) 16:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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I don't want to make this a back-and-forth, but I would like to note to future participants to look at the sources and decide if they give only passing mentions and actual in-depth coverage. I sincerely say that I may have misjudged and been wrong. From
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Keep It is useful to be able to click on the party's name and know what kind of party it is, if you are looking up the Bolivian general election. The information in this article seems too long to include inside the general election article itself. Also, the article has five references from three different websites. 2A00:23C7:8592:D500:5553:C40E:9AF0:3698 (talk) 08:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This argument is fallacious. "Usefulness" of information does not impact notability. Preserving all "useful" information is not necessary. Mere references may just be passing mentions. From
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Keep. After the , this is (about to become) the second biggest party in Bolivia in terms of representation. Seems pretty notable to me. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:17, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Can someone find sources in Spanish? I couldn't find English sources. From
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Keep. The second biggest political force in Bolivia is clearly sufficiently notable for Wikipedia. AsmodeanUnderscore (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Uh...
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Keep - it's a somewhat recently created political entity but this political party/coalition is the main opponent to the governing party in Bolivia's possibly ongoing elections, and were elected on the first ballot to the second-most seats (70 elected members in total) in both houses of the Bolivian legislature with over 2.2 million votes to the winning party's 2.9 million. We don't seem to have a SNG specifically for political parties but this organization meets both of the criteria of
WP:NGO easily. Suggesting that a nation's leading opposition political entity is not notable seems as though it must be politically motivated; I can't conceive any good-faith reason to suggest deletion here. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 23:51, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:24, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Machine Group

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There is a lot of name-dropping in this article, but I can't find notability here. The sources given are either directly tied to the company, or are based on PR releases. My attempts to find independent, reliable sources did not turn up anything, but I'll admit my efforts were hindered by numerous results related to

WP:GNG and any criteria by which notability may be assigned to a record label. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 02:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete: fails
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Delete Whether the company is notable or not,
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The result was delete. This qualifies for speedy deletion as advertising-only. Drmies (talk) 01:51, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Palmer's

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Non-notable company lacking in depth coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains^(talk) 02:08, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Not enough sourcing here. Jdcomix (talk) 02:09, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I found just two possibly pertinent sources: Good Housekeeping's award of a
Good Housekeeping Seal[15] and an article on DJ Khaled putting his name on their product[16]. Largoplazo (talk) 02:25, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Delete fails
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Comment. It looks like several independent, third-party sources have been added. The problem is that they all give Palmer's only a passing mention. From
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Delete I am unable to locate any
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The result was keep. Yunshui ^雲 _水 11:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Developmental dysfluency

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Reasons

(1) The terms "developmental dysfluency" or "developmental disfluency" are rarely used in the scholarly literature. For example:

Google Scholar search for "developmental dysfluency" (exact phrase, any time, no patents, no citations) returned only 72 results.
Google Scholar search for "developmental disfluency" (exact phrase, any time, no patents, no citations) returned only 137 results.
Google nGram search for "developmental dysfluency" (exact phrase, 1800–2008) found zero results.
Google nGram search for "developmental disfluency" (exact phrase, 1800–2008) found zero results.

A total of 209 results for the phrase (both spelling variations) might sound like a lot to some, but contrast those numbers with Google Scholar searches (any time; no patents; no citations) for stuttering (97700 results), or dyslexia (203000 results).

(2) When the term is used, it lacks a consistent definition. One sees three different definitions for the phrase:

(a) Normal development stage - Some websites and occasional articles define "developmental dysfluency" as the normal initial struggles young children(~ages 2–5) exhibit when learning how to speak, e.g., speech hesitancy, mispronunciation, or stuttering.^[1]

(b) Classification - Other publications use the phrase as an umbrella term for speech disorders such as stuttering or cluttering.

(c) Speech disorder symptoms - Developmental dysfluency is defined as abnormal speech.^[2]^[3]

(3) The article's statistics, including the fact that no other articles link to the page, provide additional evidence for the term's relative obscurity. Basic stats for the article: 30 revisions since 2007-12-03 (+56 minutes), 15 editors, 86 pageviews (30 days). ~~(Note: Later today, I will add a couple of references to support my point #2.)~~ - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 17:56, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I added a couple of citations as promised and copy edited the nomination (diff). - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 22:39, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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References

^ Ambrose, Nicoline Grinager, and Ehud Yairi. "Normative Disfluency Data for Early Childhood Stuttering." Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research 42, no. 4 (1999): 895-909 ("Stuttering is shown to be qualitatively as well as quantitatively different from normal disfluency even at the earliest stages of stuttering.")
^ Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 9th ed., Kindle ed., edited by Marie T. O’Toole (St. Louis: Mosby Elsevier, 2013): loc. 70831 ("dysfluency, n. difficulty of proceeding, said of speech disorders such as stuttering.").
^ Culatta, Richard, and Linda Leeper. "The Differential Diagnosis of Disfluency." National Student Speech Language Hearing Association Journal 17 (1989): 59-64. ("Speech disfluency can be a symptom of many different disorders.")

Comment I think the nom has made a good case for this condition, or at least the terms for it, not being mainstream. Still, a search showed the term is used in some reliable sources, so it might merit a mention on Wikipedia. Note that we also have speech disfluency, which overlaps this article. Perhaps a redirect or a sentence mentioning the term in speech disfluency would be a way forward? --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 21:58, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the term is used in a smattering of reliable sources. Unfortunately, those sources assign different meanings to the phrase. If this article described those various definitions and noted that the term is used in only a small number of peer-reviewed scholarly articles and textbooks, the article would at least present accurate information, although I would still question the notability of the term. ¶ The speech disfluency article is only marginally better than this one. Adding a discussion about a confusing, obscure phrase to that article would need to occur along with an overhaul of the article as a whole. ¶ Most importantly, I appreciate you taking the time to comment! :0) - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 22:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep
WP:GHITS is not a reason to delete. It exists is a reason to keep. a search reveals that the term is used in reliable sources. Wm335td (talk) 18:14, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Response from OP: I did not search Google, I compared use of the terms in the academic literature (Google Scholar) and in books (Ngram), so

WP:GHITS is not applicable. ¶ Regarding "... the term is used in reliable sources", I wrote above: "I agree that the term is used in a smattering of reliable sources. Unfortunately, those sources assign different meanings to the phrase. If this article described those various definitions and noted that the term is used in only a small number of peer-reviewed scholarly articles and textbooks, the article would at least present accurate information ...." - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 20:41, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Keep This is an important topic in the field of stuttering (and nonfluencies in general). It is a much studied field as children often go through a phase of nonfluency and it is important to distinguish this from stuttering symptoms. The most common name used in the literature is probably “normal nonfluency” [17] so maybe a move to that is justified, but delete certainly is not. Slp1 (talk) 01:07, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Response from OP: I wholeheartedly agree with your first two sentences. In your last sentence you wrote, "so maybe a move to that is justified". I initially thought you were referring to a Wikipedia article titled "Normal nonfluency", but there is not such an article on the English Wikipedia. I am therefore not sure what you mean by "moving" the article. Thanks! - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 20:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Articles can be renamed or moved if another title seems better. See

WP:MOVE. Slp1 (talk) 23:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Keep OP's reasoning is flawed. There appear to be citations. Since this is about a term (de dicto), not what it signifies (de re), point 2 is fallacious. Orphan does not mean unnotable. From
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Keep, as there is no rationale for deletion that proves that the article is unfit for Wikipedia. Orphaned articles are not necessarily bad because they are orphaned, as this can be fixed. A lack of recent changes means nothing about the quality of the article. Rare usage in scholarly literature does not inherently make a phrase non-notable. A lack of a consistent definition does not prevent multiple definitions from being present. If it were widely debated, then a disambiguation page could be made at this article title, and this content could be moved or merged elsewhere. However, I don't believe this is the correct route, as most definitions are similar. Utopes (talk) 23:32, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. A large number of sources were presented here, but there's disagreement about whether the sources presented here, in the article, and/or found via other searches, meet

WP:SIGCOV. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:41, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Psyop (company)

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A directory-like listing for an unremarkable production company. Reads more like a puff promotional piece than anything else. Does not meet

WP:NOTFORPROMOTION. Thank you! [Edit: The article was created by User:Justincone's single-purpose account, back when he worked for Psyop.]—Unforgettableid (talk) 21:32, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Keep passes
WP:GNG. This is am award winning advertisement company. Promotional material should be removed by an ambitious editor. Note: the same three templates were attached to another article AfD'd by the nominator. It is rather uninspiring to presuppose an article's deficiencies. Lightburst (talk) 00:58, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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- Any references? Also, are any of those awards notable?
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Delete: I do not see sources that meet
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Delete I am unable to locate any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. I am unconvinced that any of the awards are notable (but happy to revisit this !vote if there are notable awards here) - for example looking at the list of "Daytime Emmy Awards" there looks to be a lot of winners.
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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources
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Diaz, Ann-Christine (2015-09-15). "Production Company A-List 2015: Psyop. Company Could Easily Be Called Pixar of the Spots World". Ad Age. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.

Price, Erik (2009-11-19). "Psyop Makes Ads You Actually Want to Watch". Esquire. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.

"From Creativity: 2006 Top Production Companies". Ad Age. 2006-09-12. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.

"Psyop". Ad Age. 2007-06-27. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.

Churcher, Neil (2002-07-08). "Psycho Powers: New York-based animation studio Psyop is fast gaining acclaim for its innovative work for TV". Design Week. 17 (29): 14. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.

Ross, Alice (2008-04-17). "Psyop joins the dots for Guinness". Digital Arts. International Data Group. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.

Michaelson, Elizabeth (2000-09-08). "Psyop, MTV Commercials Form Spot Relationship". Shoot. 41 (36): 7.

Parish, Nick (2008-10-07). "Psyop's Reverse Merger Fails". Ad Age. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.

Fera, Rae Ann (2013-12-13). "Fighting Malaria With A Video And Game That Show The Nightmare Of The Disease". Fast Company. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.

Giardina, Carolyn (2016-02-06). "2016 Annie Awards: The Complete Winners List". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.

Giardina, Carolyn (2012-02-04). "'Rango' Wins Annie Award for Best Animated Feature". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.

Sources with quotes

Diaz, Ann-Christine (2015-09-15). "Production Company A-List 2015: Psyop. Company Could Easily Be Called Pixar of the Spots World". Ad Age. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes:
Psyop easily could be dubbed the Pixar of the spots world, given its reputation as the go-to shop for top notch animation and design. Known for now classic Coke ads such as "Happiness Factory," the company turned out more stellar work with the charming "Man and Dog" short film for the beverage giant out of Wieden & Kennedy.
With Director Fletcher Moules, the company also helped to develop the colorful backstory to the characters of Super Cell's popular "Clash of Clans" game in spots via Barton F. Graf 9000. Those included an unexpected Super Bowl favorite, starring Liam Neeson in "Taken" character as a vengeful game player, AngryNeeson52 (the live action portion of which was directed by MJZ's Tom Kuntz).
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The company also brought unparalleled sophistication to paint advertising in an entrancing spot for Sherwin-Williams from McKinney. On a more massive scale, Psyop brought the game of soccer to epic, out of this world proportions in the over-the-top athletes meets aliens campaign for the Samsung Galaxy, via Cheil Worldwide.

Price, Erik (2009-11-19). "Psyop Makes Ads You Actually Want to Watch". Esquire. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes:
You're going to get brainwashed. You're going to be sitting on your couch, watching your favorite show when it breaks for a commercial. You'll see a man napping in the grass next to a bottle of Coke and you'll be somewhat annoyed. But then zooooommmmmm, you'll be flying through a cloud of dandelion dander with a lazy formation of bumblebees. Then back down in the grass. You will see the expression on a grasshopper's face. The whole insect world will conspire around you, working together with orchestral precision to steal that guy's Coke. Pretty soon you'll stop wondering how long this is going to take and you start wondering how they're going to get the top off that bottle. And that is how Psyop gets you — with commercials that don't feel like advertisements at all, but rather minimovies. Commercials that, per the company's name, trick you into thinking they're something else — entertainment and fun. The aforementioned one for Coke, "Heist," has been viewed more than six hundred thousand times on YouTube. Another Coke ad, "Happiness Factory," hit two million views this summer, all powered by word of mouth and e-mail links sent friend to friend:
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It's the same formula New York-based Psyop has perfected on dozens of other campaigns that have generated millions of views around the world: Come up with a crazy concept first, then worry about inventing the technology to make it happen. Check out its work for UPS: an entire world you could walk into that looks as if it were fashioned from corrugated cardboard. Or the vodka bottle that explodes through your monitor for Absolut. Or the animals of the forest dancing for Orangina. Every Psyop commercial is a digital universe to get lost in and amazed by and pass on to your friends.

"From Creativity: 2006 Top Production Companies". Ad Age. 2006-09-12. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes:
Psyop started as a team of rendegade MTV design obsessives but has become another top player in prime position to address advertising's increasing demand for breakout ideas and imaginative storytelling. Known for its elegant and well-thought out visuals, the company demonstrated Pixar-competitive chops on the magnificent, character-filled world it created for Coke's feel good "Happiness Factory," out of WK/London. Meanwhile, it has added breadth and depth to its offerings with the addition of MassMarket, a design-oriented effects shop fronted by former Method man Chris Staves, and Blacklist, home to a fresh new class of international, media-agnostic talents.

"Psyop". Ad Age. 2007-06-27. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes:
Intruders? Yes, maybe five, ten years ago, when the industry might have considered a group of animator/designers inappropriate for a directors report. But now, no one's questioning if Psyop belongs. The collective was conceived in an experimental graphics lab at MTV?even there they were outsiders?but since breaking off to form a new company in 2000, Psyop has helped to reshape what we've come to know as commercials storytelling. Over the years, team members Marie Hyon, Kylie Matulick, Eben Mears, Marco Spier and Todd Mueller (seen below, from left) have injected their distinctive visual imprint onto the spots world, evident in notable work for Lugz, Starbucks, Nike, Honda and MTV. Meanwhile, they've evolved into something more warm, fuzzy and character-driven. Look no further than recent spots for Fanta, the beloved Coca-Cola "Happiness Factory" (and its upcoming sequel) for proof that Psyop has truly arrived. (AD)
The article includes a quote from Psyop.

Churcher, Neil (2002-07-08). "Psycho Powers: New York-based animation studio Psyop is fast gaining acclaim for its innovative work for TV". Design Week. 17 (29): 14. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes:
Then there is the black-and-white imagery of the music cable channel VH1’s Music Awards campaigns. Images composed entirely of simplified, line-drawn people that look, move and act like real people in real time. The sense of reality jars with the minimal stylisation, increasing as each sting becomes evermore surreal. Both are the work of Psyop, the New York-based studio that is making TV animation as fresh as the best work coming out of London.
‘Psyop’ is a compound of Psychological Operations, borrowed from a dark governmental practice in mind and behaviour control.
It’s in the design arena that you find Psyop’s true mindset. It sees itself as a design studio rather than an animation production house, so it’s no surprise to discover that a large percentage of its creatives come from graphic design backgrounds.
Between them, founding partners Marie Hyon, Kylie Matulick, Eben Mears, Todd Mueller and Marco Spier previously worked at the design production studios of cable channels Nickelodeon, SCIFI Channel and the MTV Digital Design Lab. Almost as a cable channel design collective, the group came together to form a fully independent design and production team.
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Psyop’s style has transformed other campaigns including a set of simple linework animated TV ads for Volkswagen and a music video for US hip hop group Coflow, in which live video footage follows a crazed black line of 3D graffiti that continually re-draws itself over any New York subway wall or train it comes across. In each case the work refuses to compromise on creativity.
The article includes quotes from people affiliated with Psyops.

Ross, Alice (2008-04-17). "Psyop joins the dots for Guinness". Digital Arts. International Data Group. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes that Psyop has created an ad for Guinness.

Michaelson, Elizabeth (2000-09-08). "Psyop, MTV Commercials Form Spot Relationship". Shoot. 41 (36): 7.
The article notes:
Newly formed animation/design firm Psyop has entered into a deal with production house MTV Commercials for exclusive domestic spot representation. Both companies are based in New York.
Prior to formally opening, Psyop had already collaborated with MTV Commercials on projects such as Starburst's "Revelations" via Grey Advertising, New York, and a client-direct Pepsi Fruitworks spot, "Professional Fan League.
Currently, Psyop is pitching for a second Starbursts assignment, and is working on both a VH1 campaign and a TV Land ad. (VH1 and TV Land are sister cable networks to MTV.)
Psyop's roots are firmly entrenched in MTV soil. The animation/design firm was founded by three former MTV networks' colleagues: designers/directors Made Hyon and Todd Mueller; and technical director Eben Mears. Hyon was an art director at TV Land; she previously held the same job at sister networks Nickelodeon and Nick at Nite. Earlier in their careers, Mears was Nick Digital's chief animator, and Mueller was senior producer of on-air promos. Mueller had also created and produced the '96-'99 show amp, MTV's weekly mix of electronic music and experimental animation. Most recently, Mears and Mueller were at the Sci-Fi Channel (USA Networks), where they served, respectively, as visual effects supervisor/Inferno artist and art director.

Parish, Nick (2008-10-07). "Psyop's Reverse Merger Fails". Ad Age. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes:
Shareholders in Fortissimo Acquisition Corporation, a special purpose acquisition corporation planning a reverse merger with animation and VFX player Psyop voted down the company's proposal today in New York, an outcome insiders cite as the result of prevailing economic turmoil.
Back in January, it was announced Fortissimo selected Psyop as the target of its reverse merger, a course which, had it played out according to plan, would have made Psyop a publicly traded corporation along with an injection of $10 million in cash and $20 million in stock.

Parish, Nick (2008-01-18). "Happiness Factory: Psyop 'Sold' for $30 million". Ad Age. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes:
Psyop, the New York-based VFX and animation studio responsible for spots like Coca-Cola's "Happiness Factory" has merged with an Israeli-based acquisitions company for $10 million in cash and $20 million in stock.
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Psyop was founded in 2000 by Eben Mears, Marie Hyon, Marco Spier, Kylie Matulick and Todd Mueller, and has spawned Blacklist, a company supporting younger content producers. The firm reported an audited revenue of $15.8 million in 2006.

Fera, Rae Ann (2013-12-13). "Fighting Malaria With A Video And Game That Show The Nightmare Of The Disease". Fast Company. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes:
A new spot and mobile game for the Against Malaria Foundation (AMF) aims to change that. “Nightmare: Malaria” is a 90-second animated film created by animation studio Psyop that begins as a sweet bedtime story before quickly devolving into a hallucinatory trip that paints a picture of how the disease affects a body. Symptoms such as high fever, violent convulsions, vicious sickness, and attacks on the liver and brain are rendered with psychotic energy befitting a Hunter S. Thompson tale. Narrated with equal parts delicacy and force by Susan Sarandon (who agreed to participate after Psyop’s repeated pleas finally coincided with an opening in her schedule), the moral of the fable is that such suffering and fear can be avoided with a simple bed net. An 18-level mobile game, in which players avoid killer mosquitoes and collect teddy bear tokens amid fever-dream visuals, further impresses how diabolical malaria can be.
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While the project was created by Psyop, a top animation studio, “Nightmare: Malaria” is actually the first client project from the company’s training program, The Establishment for the Greater Good (EGG), and was created by eight students over one summer internship.
The article contains quotes from ECG.

Giardina, Carolyn (2016-02-06). "2016 Annie Awards: The Complete Winners List". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes:
Best Animated Television/Broadcast Commercial

Man and Dog (WINNER)
Psyop

Giardina, Carolyn (2012-02-04). "'Rango' Wins Annie Award for Best Animated Feature". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on 2019-10-20. Retrieved 2019-10-20.
The article notes:
#4 - Best Animated Television Commercial
Twinings “Sea” - Psyop

There is sufficient coverage in
reliable sources to allow Psyop to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 11:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The Hollywood Reporter verifies that Psyop has won two Annie Awards in the Best Animated Television/Broadcast Commercial category: once in 2012 at the 39th Annie Awards for "Twinings 'Sea'" and once in 2016 at the 43rd Annie Awards for "Coca-Cola 'Man and Dog'".
Ad Age notes that "Psyop easily could be dubbed the Pixar of the spots world, given its reputation as the go-to shop for top notch animation and design."
Fast Company calls Psyop "a top animation studio".
Design Week says Psyop is "the New York-based studio that is making TV animation as fresh as the best work coming out of London".
Esquire notes, "It's the same formula New York-based Psyop has perfected on dozens of other campaigns that have generated millions of views around the world: Come up with a crazy concept first, then worry about inventing the technology to make it happen."
Cunard (talk) 11:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisted to give time for editors to consider whether sources provided by Cunard establish notability (or not).
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Comment. Dear @Cunard: First, you found eleven sources. In the collapsed "Sources with quotes" box, you provided long quotes from these sources. Below the box, you provided more-concise summaries of some of these long quotes. Okay. Unfortunately:

Guideline section
WP:ORGIND warns: "Trade publications must be used with great care. While feature stories^[1] from leading trade magazines may be used where independence is clear, there is a presumption against the use of coverage in trade magazines to establish notability. This is because businesses often use these publications to increase their visibility.^[2]
"

Digital Arts, Shoot, and The Hollywood Reporter: these are all trade publications. This source states that Fast Company is also a trade publication. So, it looks like the only non-trade source you've found is the Esquire source. Unfortunately, Esquire also used Psyop to help create its augmented-reality magazine issue,[18]
so I'm not sure that we can consider Esquire to be an independent source.

In general: You've made numerous useful contributions to Wikipedia. However, the sources you've brought to AfD have sometimes been shot down before. (One example: During a
Lordtobi shot them down, and the article got deleted. Another example: During the Olde Boston Bulldogge AfD, you found multiple sources which Atsme shot down; that article, too, got deleted.) Here, too, I may have successfully shot down all of your sources. Our Psyop article was created by User:Justincone's single-purpose account, back when he worked for Psyop
. It's pure promotion. Why do you want the article kept? Do you believe that a puff piece written by a Psyop employee really makes Wikipedia a better encyclopedia?

Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 07:11, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

^ A feature story is usually a longer article where the writer has researched and interviewed to tell a factual story about a person, place, event, idea, or issue. Features are not opinion-driven are more in-depth than traditional news stories.
^ "Trade magazines: Still a marketer's best friend?". Inprela Communications. 30 May 2017.

Keep on the basis of the Annie Awards. I am not convinced that we can use the nominations for these awards as proof of notability , but these were actual awards. I'm not sure a company producing one award winning production is proof of the company's notability , but having two distinct ones is certainly sufficient proof. There is no need to look for comments in other sources when we have such evidence.

As for sources, the Hollywood Reporter , LA Times, and Variety are the best sources for the industry. I'd certainly trust the HR over Esquire. Businesses frequently use all types of publications to increase their reliability. I know of no publication that is altogether free from it, especially for features. Fast Company is I think sometimes but not always reliable for notability. As for news asdistinct from features, that the HR reported the prizes is fully reliable evidence. There are undoubtedly other sources for this, including the official list, but HR is sufficient. There's no need for a quote farm to deonstrate a plain fact.

The other material in Ad Age is substantial, and I think goes somewhat beyond puffery, and supports notability But quotes calling something a "top company" is not evidence of its notability, no matter where published--it shouldn't be taken as a formal judgment.

As a more general comment: Even when I disagree with his conclusions, I find Cunard's style of arguments in general to be very helpful, and the need to deal with the sources in detail a reasonable challenge. A detailed analysis of sources is usually the best approach in discussions where determining independent and substantial is critical to the result. Using the information is a matter of judgment. In any honestly disputed case, I could generally find a plausible arguement for interpreting a source to be reliable or not reliable, or evaluating a subject as notable or not notable--the key word in this sentence is plausible. For exactly the same sources, reasonable people can come to different conclusions. The only way of making the actual judgement is consensus on the interpretation. Just like me, Cunard is sometimes, but not always correct. To find AfDs where he was not supported by the consensus is just as easy as to do the same with me, or with anyone who frequently comments here on non-obvious instances. The only way to be always right at AfD is to only comment at the trivial. DGG ( talk ) 19:35, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Dear @DGG:

You make lots of good points, including about Cunard's source-finding often being helpful.

In general, in cases like Psyop's, where a paid editor has created the Wikipedia puff piece, I start by assuming that it's best not to have Wikipedia cover the company at all. This is because the article may keep attracting more spam edits for decades, and it's very possible that there will never be enough watchers to catch and revise all of these spam edits. So, I start out with the presumption that the company is non-notable, and then I seek proof of non-notability.

I do accept it as true that Psyop has won two Annie Awards in the Best Animated Commercial category.

Perhaps it's true that Annie Awards for Best Animated Feature can be used to help prove notability. But perhaps Annie Awards for Best Animated Commercial, which are more-minor Annies, do _not_ help prove notability.

A) There isn't much well-sourced content in the actual Psyop article. The "Awards" table is completely unsourced, the "Original Productions" section is poorly-sourced, and the rest of the article is a mere stub. Perhaps we should temporarily delete or draftify the article until someone bothers writing some better-sourced content?

B)

WP:GNG

suggests that significant coverage in independent reliable sources is proof of notability, but does not suggest that awards can be proof of notability. Do you believe that, if you ignore the Annie Awards, and if you look only at the Ad Age and Cunard's other sources, Psyop is still notable?

Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 05:51, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as the subject fails
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Comment: Thank you,
Cengage, Advertising Age (now called Ad Age) is "the most widely read and authoritative trade journal in the field". I consider the significant coverage about Psyop in the journal such as this article titled "Production Company A-List 2015: Psyop" to be independent of the subject and to be sufficient to establish notability.
Regarding Esquire
, magazines and newspapers frequently enlist the services of companies so that they can do research and evaluation of those companies in their articles. This journalistic research does not make Esquire a non-independent source.
Here are three more sources about the company:

Drate, Spencer; Robbins, David; Salavetz, Judith (2006). Motion by Design. London:
ISBN 978-1-85669-471-1
. Retrieved 2019-10-25.

Birttain-Catlin, Timothy; Audas, Jane; Tuckey, Charles (2006). The Cutting Edge of Wallpaper. London:
ISBN 978-1-904772-56-9
. Retrieved 2019-10-25.

Chang, Yen-Jung (2011-12-22). Dobson, Nicola (ed.). "Strategies for a Reduction to 2D Graphical Styles in 3D Computer Graphics with Hybrid Aesthetics". Animation Studies. 6. Society for Animation Studies. Archived from the original on 2019-10-25. Retrieved 2019-10-25.

Sources with quotes

Drate, Spencer; Robbins, David; Salavetz, Judith (2006). Motion by Design. London:
ISBN 978-1-85669-471-1
. Retrieved 2019-10-25.
The book notes:
PSYOP'

PSYOP disseminates imagery, ideas and advertising from its headquarters in New York. Founded in 2000 by Marie Hyon, Kylie Matulick, Eben Mears, Todd Mueller and Marco Spier, the organization focuses on collaborative design with a distinct conceptual edge.
PSYOP is a term for government or military operations designed to modify the opinions, emotions, attitudes or behaviour of a target audience, thereby convincing them to cease resistance or alter their behaviour in a manner favourable to friendly forces. The company chose the name to express its belief that the media is as powerful in modern society as the military.
PSYOP is a fully independent creative design/production squad dedicated to the cultivation of mind over pixel who blend the disciplines of design, animation and live-action directing.

Birttain-Catlin, Timothy; Audas, Jane; Tuckey, Charles (2006). The Cutting Edge of Wallpaper. London:
ISBN 978-1-904772-56-9
. Retrieved 2019-10-25.
The book notes:
Comprising five creative partners, PSYOP is an award-winning design team whose conceptual approach to project work unites the disciplines of design, animation and live-action. Founded in 2000, PSYOP have since gone on to create visual motion graphics for the advertising marketing, video-gaming, broadcast and music video industries. Their distinct conceptual approach has culminated in projects for clients as diverse as Ford, Nike, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Volkswagen. Frozen Honey is the only wallpaper design by the New York based company. Created especially for the Maxalot Gallery, an exhibition space based in Barcelona that aims to showcase graphic design as art, and to provide a space where artist-designers can create works without the restriction of the boundaries that client prospects necessarily entail, PSYOP have produced a wallpaper that evades categorisation.
Frozen Honey's muted pastel colours, soft lines and painterly aesthetic imbue it with an ethereal, soothing quality. A kaleidoscope of pattern and indefinable shapes initially locate it in an abstract and ambiguous realm, neither painting nor digital art, which eludes easy identification. Simultaneously, however, the hyper-detailed finish pulls the eye into the artwork, where seductive pattern and sexual innuendo begin to emerge. This tension between transparency and high-finish, a painterly and digital aesthetic is what gives this work by PSYOP its distinct multi-disciplinary character.

Chang, Yen-Jung (2011-12-22). Dobson, Nicola (ed.). "Strategies for a Reduction to 2D Graphical Styles in 3D Computer Graphics with Hybrid Aesthetics". Animation Studies. 6. Society for Animation Studies. Archived from the original on 2019-10-25. Retrieved 2019-10-25.
The article notes:
In addition to animation shorts, some TV commercials, music videos and game trailers experimented with graphical styles by creatively using 3D computer techniques. For example, PSYOP, a New York base studio, has produced TV spots and music videos that are acclaimed for their concepts and aesthetics. In some of their works, 3D computer technology is applied in combination with graphical design to create unique visual styles. Todd Muller, one director in PSYOP, described the concept in the production of a music video: “we wanted to give it a two-dimensional quality, but still have a lot of three-dimensional dynamics. There was a lot of interplay between 2D and 3D” (Romanello 2005). This ‘interplay’ between 2D and 3D really facilitates the possibilities of artistic performance as displayed in their works. As for game trailer, Monster Farm 5 Circus Caravan (Fujita 2006) is one video produced by Digital Media Lab Inc. In this video, 3D computer techniques were applied to render out 2D graphical images as the approaches used in PSYOP’s TV spots. Both PSYOP and Digital Media Lab took advantage of the 2D graphical styles to play visual tricks. For example, the object in the foreground blocks a character while the camera is moving and the character appears from a different angle or poses in a different location after the blocking object moves away.

I am quoting these sources in addition to the earlier sources to further demonstrate that PSYOP is widely respected in the industry and has received significant critical analysis. The authors of a Black Dog Publishing book note, "PSYOP is an award-winning design team whose conceptual approach to project work unites the disciplines of design, animation and live-action".
In the Society for Animation Studies's journal Animation Studies, Yen-Jung Chang notes, "PSYOP, a New York base[d] studio, has produced TV spots and music videos that are acclaimed for their concepts and aesthetics." Cunard (talk) 07:58, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per DGG and Cunard.4meter4 (talk) 22:21, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. bd2412 T 00:30, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I can't find any evidence that this company meets (or met)

WP:NCORP. It's not traded, it doesn't have a notable product (even assumed by Oracle, the buyer). I'm not seeing a ton of in-depth independent coverage towards the GNG, either. There are a couple of claims of awards, but no references towards those and I can't find anything covering them, either -- plus they're about the founder, not the company itself. Mikeblas (talk) 17:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Delete: Consists of frame contents only, i.e. when it was founded, when it was disolved, and its business focus. Ask yourself, why people of 100 years from now would want to know about this company?
Did it have impact? What was it? flowing dreams (talk page) 11:45, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Technically not eligible for a soft delete as there was a prod in 2008 (not to mention the first AfD which ended no consensus). Given the age of the article, I am relisting to see if a broader consensus than two participants can be reached.
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Delete: Only two sources found: 1, 2. Both are about Oracle, subject should be mentioned in Oracle, not in its own article. From
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The result was delete. Redirects can be added at editorial discretion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails
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Delete. No coverage here that makes it pass the GNG. There's this, but that hardly counts as in-depth coverage, though I suppose it could verify a sentence in a higher-category article. Drmies (talk) 02:47, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Looking over this article again, I see so clearly why Wikipedia is made fun of--for our ridiculously overdetailed coverage of this kind of topic. And D&D of course. Anime. Rasslin'. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Redirects can be added at editorial discretion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:17, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails
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Delete: not notable enough as an individual topic. Anything that's useful and not unnecessary fluff should be merged into the article on the Transformers. Alternatively, we can draftify this.From
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The result was delete. The arguments for deletion have sufficiently more strength in their rationale than the arguments for keeping the article. A major topic of discussion was over whether or not the article subject has

GNG is met, or enough reliable sources that are independent of the subject that address the subject directly and in detail enough to where content can be written without the use of original research. Of those who argued that the article subject meets this criterion, one user listed a number of sources that they found, which was met by rebuttal showing that these sources don't provide significant or primary coverage of the article subject, but only trivial mentions that last only a few lines, or trivial mentions within page footnotes. Other users appear to agree with the notion that significant coverage isn't met, as well as the response in rebuttal. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:24, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Keep: A notable pundit. This article has been nominated for deletion before and kept. The subject was notable then and is notable now. The article has evolved considerably since the last AfD from this version. Content was added by User:Kautilya3, bringing it up from 10,531 to 12,124 characters, then a large amount was removed by user:Winged Blades of Godric, bringing it down to 4,982 characters. User:Winged Blades of Godric then nominated it for deletion a second time.The subject is controversial, defending the RSS against criticism by secularists such as Sabrang Communications over the way funding for the Ekal Vidyalaya was being used. That is not a reason to trash or delete the article. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:45, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Agree that it fails
WP:NACADEMIC. (My previous expansion was merely filling in the detail that was needed. It had nothing to do with any AfD.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The subject is not notable as an academic. They are notable per

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because they have been discussed by various independent writers, as cited in the earlier version:

Appleby, R. Scott (2011). "Religion, Violence, and the Right to Peace". Religion and Human Rights: An Introduction. Oxford University Press.
ISBN 0199733449
.

Blanco, María Cristina; Zlotnik, Hania (2006). Migraciones: nuevas movilidades en un mundo en movimiento (Migration: new mobilities in a moving world) (in Spanish). Anthropos Editorial.
ISBN 8476587902
.

Cady, Linell Elizabeth; Simon, Sheldon W. (2007). Religion and conflict in South and Southeast Asia: disrupting violence. Taylor & Francis.
ISBN 0415397340
.

Chalasani, Vijaykumar (2001). "Interview with Dr. Ramesh N. Rao on his book: "Hindu Demons and Secular Gods: Targeting the BJP and the RSS."". I Love Hyderabad. Retrieved 2012-03-21.
ISBN 978-0-674-03059-6
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Prosser, Michael H. (1998). Civic discourse: multiculturalism, cultural diversity, and global communication. Greenwood Publishing Group.
ISBN 1567504108
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Putnam, Linda; Roloff, Michael E. (1992). Communication and negotiation. Sage.
ISBN 0803940114
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Ramaswamy, Krishnan; Banerjee, Aditi (2007). Invading the sacred: an analysis of Hinduism studies in America. Rupa & Co. Archived from the original on 2012-07-14.
Schulze-Engler, Frank; Helff, Sissy (2009). Transcultural English Studies: Theories, Fictions, Realities. Rodopi.
ISBN 9042025638
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Tow, William T.; Chin, Kin Wah (2009). ASEAN, India, Australia: towards closer engagement in a new Asia. Institute of Southeast Asian Studies.
ISBN 9812309632
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A search in Google books for "Ramesh Rao" "RSS" gives a sense of the sorts of issue the subject is involved in. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:12, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:N, either.∯WBG^converse 15:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Sources tend to focus on what Rao has said or written, but that is sufficient to establish notability. For example,

In "Princely States and the Hindu Imaginary: Exploring the Cartography of Hindu Nationalism in Colonial India", The Journal of Asian Studies, August 2008, Manu Bhagavan says "Clarifying the logic underlying such a view [protect Hindus from the "Muslim uprising" of the Khilafat movement], Ramesh Rao, one of Hindutva's most vocal and popular contemporary advocates, states, ..." and then gives a lengthy quote, followed by an analysis: "Finely carving out details with all the finesse of a hatchet job, Rao quickly conflates Moplahs with Khilafat and signals the danger of both by dropping the word jihad into the mix..."
In "Indian-American community exerts growing clout back home", The Christian Science Monitor, 21 March 2005 Ben Arnoldy gives a paragraph to Rao's views.
The Coalition Against Genocide in their report Affiliations of Faith: Joined at the hip (PDF) says "Among the members of the Executive Council of the HAF [Hindu American Foundation] is Ramesh Rao, a professor of Communications, with an established reputation as a vocal defender of the RSS." and then goes on to discuss his views at length.
Antara Das in "An Interview With Prof Ramesh Rao: "North Indian Children Should Be Taught One South Indian Language Of Their Choice", Swarajya, 23 January 2016 gives an extensive interview inviting Rao to present his views.

A notable pundit. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, trivial coverage in the form of a single quote and a couple of lines. Even more vitally, negative coverage. Still thanks for bringing this up; I failed to spot it.

More than a couple of lines, more like a page - read it. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wot?! Clarifying the logic underlying such a view, Ramesh Rao, one of Hindutva's most vocal and popular contemporary advocates, state:- [A paragraphed quote].Finely carving out details with all the finesse of a hatchet job, Rao quickly conflates Moplahs with Khilafat and signals the danger of both by dropping the word jihad into the mix. Again, the essentialized Muslim is assigned the role of bogeyman, as no effort is made to understand or to distinguish between the peasant Moplahs of the Malabar Coast rising up against local landlords or the anti-Western imperialism nature of Khilafat or, for that matter, the complexities of the word jihad. ∯WBG^converse 05:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Most trivial; a byte in a news-report does not contribute to
WP:SIGCOV
in any form or manner. I have landed on this news-piece earlier, FWIW.

A paragraph is significant coverage. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Meh.∯WBG^converse 05:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

unreliable source
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They do not like the guy, but seem respectable enough to me. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proving the onus of reliability lies on you.∯WBG^converse 05:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you dispute the accuracy of this source, which appears to check the facts very carefully, you must demonstrate that they are unreliable through examples. Much of their extensive discussion of the subject is based on an analysis of the subject's own publications. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We don't deem interviews to contribute any to
WP:INTERVIEW and over other related community-discussions. FWIW, Swarajya is a BJP/Indian-RW-mouthpiece for all practical purposes and its independence is highly questionable. ∯WBG^converse 18:58, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Wikipedia:Interviews is an essay, but makes the point that interviews show the subject has been noted and contribute to notability. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I asked you to view the t/p of the essay; esp. the sections about clarifying the section on notability and why it was not promoted to a supplementary guideline. As TonyBallioni said:- The section on notability in particular is just plain wrong: interviews can under no circumstances count towards notability as they are inherently primary sources, and counting them as towards the GNG defeats the point of our being a tertiary source. As someone has noted on the t/p, the essay used to be much clearer on the aspect of notability from interviews, before two paid editors (who have since got banned) modified a lot much of the content. ∯WBG^converse 05:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see nothing in any guideline that says interviews cannot contribute to notability. What the interviewee says is of course primary, although it may be quoted. The interview shows media interest in the subject. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Winged Blades of Godric: I am intrigued by your comment: "Even more vitally, negative coverage". How does this affect notability? Aymatth2 (talk) 19:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rao is not a high-profile-figure even in the RW eco-system; if we choose to exploit the two RS which covers him (Nussbaum and Bhagavan), we need to write some sort of overtly critical hit-piece on him, which has a high potential to fell afoul of

WP:BLP. In case of low-profile-figures, whose sole notability is borderline and comes from entirely negative coverage, we generally exercise our discretion to not have an article 'bout them. ∯WBG^converse 05:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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@Winged Blades of Godric: You may be confusing sources that provide verifiable information and sources that establish notability. When you gutted the earlier version of the article you threw out a lot of content from reliable sources. I propose to restore that information, and to add more from some of the sources that discuss the subject in depth. We cannot say that because much of the discussion of the subject is negative we are forced to write an over-critical and unfair article. We can let the facts speak for themselves. The interviews are useful in giving verifiable quotes by the subject himself. As "one of Hindutva's most vocal and popular contemporary advocates" he warrants an article. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:12, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I restored some of the content that had been deleted by the nominator, and added some so the article gives a more complete and balanced view. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:47, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Which I have removed; usual shoddy write-up with zero clue about the domain. ∯WBG^converse 11:11, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Scott Burley (talk) 00:45, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete much of the current sourcing the article relies on is poor quality and
his own works—the literature. ——SerialNumber54129 12:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
]

Delete per SerialNumber above. None of the current sources support notability. Fails
WP:NACADEMIC. GSS ^💬 15:54, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Extended content (verging on the

WP:BLUDGEON} ——SerialNumber54129 17:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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@Serial Number 54129 and GSS: He is not notable as an academic but as a pundit. Four sources are quoted in the "Reception" section: Krishnan Ramaswamy is very favorable to the subject, while Martha Nussbaum and Manu Bhagavan are less positive and the Coalition Against Genocide is downright hostile - but known for careful fact checking. Are there any inaccuracies? Which sources are not reliable or independent, other than the subject himself? Aymatth2 (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not either of them but (as I have iterated before):-

(1) Manu takes one of his quote, as one of the many examples, that he uses in his careful dissection of the broader Hindutva-oriented scholarship. Manu goes on to spend precisely a couple of lines in rebutting him. Non-significant coverage.

(2) Ramaswamy's passage in that much-talked-about book is not reliable (esp. for counting towards

WP:N) except for attributing his own views in pursuit of WP:V; the work has garnered a plethora of scholarly criticism. It may be prudential to note the sage words of a Harvard indologist, who once commented^[1]

about these academics working in the intellectual backwaters of Hindutva :- ... churn out long identical passages, in book after book, sometimes paragraph by paragraph, all copied in cottage industry fashion from earlier books and papers; the whole scene has become one virtually indistinguishable hotchpotch ..... Much of these fringe academicians cross-cite each other but that does not add to notability.

(3) Martha Nussbaum devotes sole significant coverage, which is grossly negative. We need multiple instances of significant coverage.

(4) I personally like CAG but are they reliable? Any reputable scholarly volume which holds them in high esteem and/or references from it, extensively? The sole mentions that I am seeing across RS are mentions of it having successfully lobbied, to have prevented Modi from entering USA. ∯WBG^converse 16:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ISSN 1084-7561
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Delete. It is possible that the book he edited with Elst is notable, but as an academic, he isn't at this time; I cannot find evidence of him meeting GNG or NPROF. Furthermore, previous AfDs are not evidence of notability in any sense, though the comments in them may provide such. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:42, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It does seem to have a lot of sources and coverage in reliably published sources (3rd party publishers). The article could do with expansion but the subject is fairly notable and covered extensively, so the fact that the article is no good doesn't mean that it should be deleted. 38.142.216.106 (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramesh Nagaraj Rao (2nd nomination).
Comment added by Aymatth2 (talk) 22:51, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative Delete: Articles balanced on tbe razor edge of notability. i dont see enoguh significant coverage to flesh out an biography of a living person with the reliability and rigor that we would normally demand for a BLP. That being said i am not dogmatically against this article and will try once again. Michepman (talk) 01:39, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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