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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:04, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Anubhav Anand
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- Delete : Looks like a non-notable actor. No credible sources found! Exploreandwrite (talk) 05:52, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:TOOSOON with only one notable role so far. IMDb shows he has another film credit but it has no article here, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 22:22, 1 June 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. North America1000 23:18, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Chandra Sekhar Acharjee
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- Delete, does not meet WP:TOOSOON. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete as WP:NACTOR at this stage but may do in the future, thanks, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:16, 1 June 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. ST47 (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Firos Kunnamparambil
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Bit of a technical special case. This one has been hanging out at the back of the NPP queue for a week, with every reviewer bypassing it. I believe part of the problem is that all the sources are in non-copyable form, thus they can't even be run through a translator. I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that from what I can glean from translating the reference titles only, we are looking at a lack of sufficient independent, in-depth coverage to fulfill
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- That, I think, is a misinterpretation of the guideline, which refers to "one single event" - you will see it coming up for subjects who are only known for participating in one reality TV show etc. Being notable for a single capacity or profession, OTOH, is entirely fine and very common. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:19, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Perhaps it was a misinterpretation as I thought of a single event as a general thing. However, I still think the article should be deleted since the sources shows trivial coverage of the person. I did a quick translate (which is the only option I have when examining the sources) and I see that it talks about an issue and Kunnamparambil was interviewed, which does not meet WP:GNG. The award sources may show substantial coverage, but it's not enough to meet GNG. INeedSupport :3 21:25, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Perhaps it was a misinterpretation as I thought of a single event as a general thing. However, I still think the article should be deleted since the sources shows trivial coverage of the person. I did a quick translate (which is the only option I have when examining the sources) and I see that it talks about an issue and Kunnamparambil was interviewed, which does not meet
- That, I think, is a misinterpretation of the guideline, which refers to "one single event" - you will see it coming up for subjects who are only known for participating in one reality TV show etc. Being notable for a single capacity or profession, OTOH, is entirely fine and very common. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:19, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn by Viztor. (non-admin closure) —Rutebega (talk) 01:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Penal system in China
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The article is way too archaic, and most of the content is simply historical and no longer applicable today. Viztor (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. AfD is not cleanup. Yes, the article has been tagged for updating for eight years, but cleanup does not have a deadline in Wikipedia. The topic is obviously notable and updating is a matter of regular editing. If the nominator can identify the outdated facts, ]
- Keep per Gene93k. Mccapra (talk) 04:52, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep topic is notable and Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:44, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- A quick question, given the status, is it ok to just delete and rewrite? I was thinking about editing, but I'm quite confused where to start as the entire structure of the article might need to be changed.Viztor (talk) 10:22, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - it looks passes- ]
- Withdrawn per discussion with Gene93k as I'm working on a ]
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The result was delete. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:53, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Avni Hasani
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Unreferenced BLP: No indication that he passes
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The result was keep. North America1000 23:17, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Mona, Anglesey
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Mona is the name of an RAF station but there is neither village or hamlet with that name. The ordnance survey identifies "Mona" as the RAF station. Google maps may include Mona but much content there is user created with little oversight. Velella Velella Talk 21:10, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep The name predates the RAF as this was the site of the Mona Inn for centuries. See here, for example. Andrew D. (talk) 23:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep per Andrew D. --Doncram (talk) 22:33, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per Andrew and ]
- Keep per Andrew and WP:GEOLAND. Britishfinance (talk) 12:14, 2 June 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep per Andrew and WP:GEOLAND.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:34, 2 June 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. ST47 (talk) 22:47, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Region 1, East Timor
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Not real regions, but made-up groupings of municipalities used inconsistently in a couple reports for statistical purposes. Citation 1 (pdf) defines them as Region 1 (Baucau, Lautem, Viqueque), Region 2 (Ainaro, Manatutu, Manufahi), Region 3 (Aileu, Dili, Ermera), Region 4 (Bobonaro, Cova Lima, Liquica), and Region 5 (Oecusse) while citation 2 uses Region 1 : Baucau, Lautem, Viqueque, Region 2 : Aileu, Ainaro, Manufahi, Region 3 : Dili, Ermera, Liquica, Manatuto, Region 4 : Bobonaro, Covalima, Special Region: Oecussi. Note differences in regions 2 and 3 and name of region 5. z Not mentioned in comprehensive government statistical documents [1] and [2] that discuss the actual Municipalities of East Timor. Reywas92Talk 20:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete: Groan. I think there may well be hundreds more like this; for the tiny villages in Africa type of stub there is an argument (however weak I think it is) that the stub helps, but for these artificial groupings it is quite clearly ridiculous. I think though that it is important to be careful: saying "made up" is misleading, since this normally means "made up by an editor". Perhaps we could have a centralised discussion somewhere, (or an essay to link to), with a careful explanation of the exact problem. Basically it is the expansion of just any list of items to an "article" for each item saying it is a member of the list. Imaginatorium (talk) 07:51, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ST47 (talk) 22:49, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Gordon Pritchard
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The result was delete. ST47 (talk) 19:41, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Abhinay Berde
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- SPEEDY KEEP and Comment goes here; Abhinay has got no coverage due to his father, he has done 3 Marathi Films and three of them are commercially successful, reliable sources are cited in the article. His father is Comedy king Laxmikant Berde thus his name will come always in every news article, just like Tiger Shroff will always be known as the son of Jackie Shroff does that mean Tiger has done no notable work? he is known because of his father? it's the same case, Abhinay is wildly known and his films have done in theatres. Please google Abhinay Berde and tell me you got only articles about his father not independent I'm giving some independent articles below.
1 Independent article about his relationship 2 Shares a screen with his parents (mother) Independent article on his recent release 3 Independent article on his recently released and currently in theatres film. Abhinay is the lead actor. 4 Independent article co-actor praising about Abhinay (not a press release) 5 Abhinay's second film as lead was about to be on TV article is independent and reliable for his contribution in the Marathi Films.
also sharing direct news section link from the Google Here you go --
Delete Also fails this criteria
Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
I don't see any notable works.📞 19:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment seriously o.O I can't believe this, how can he have a cult following? he's been here for just 4 years and has three Feature films released. I don't think Tara Sutaria has cult fan following, neither Akash Thosar, Rinku Rajguru Amey Wagh, Pooja Sawant, Ihana Dhillon has cult fan following I don't even know her just googled less considered actors her name popped up, so how can he have cult fan following? if you're considering Instagram followers then I can't talk about it.
anyways I'm done defending him, I ain't getting paid for this. do what u gotta do, but I'm sure Wikipedia will lose information on significantly important actor. --Siddharth 🤙🏻 Talk To Me!! 19:45, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep Looks like an upcoming star in the Marathi cinema with enough sources. Exploreandwrite (talk) 06:01, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, lacks significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Fails WP:NACTOR too. GSS (talk|c|em) 14:53, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was Move to List of animal superheroes. While there is no consensus to delete, most participants have commented on the title being incorrect or redundant. Best solution seems to be to move to List of animal superheroes. Further, commenters have suggested that the list be better organized (perhaps by medium, franchise, or species) to provide better information and navigation. ST47 (talk) 19:45, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
List of anthropomorphic animal superheroes
Unsourced and no evidence of notability. Contents reflect unclear inclusion criteria and lack of maintenance of redlinks. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:40, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete Sort of a fancrufty categorization here without inclusion criteria. What animal superhero isn't anthropomorphic, wouldn't it need to be by definition? Reywas92Talk 19:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete A google search of the topic reveals only this article, mirrors, TVTropes (NOT a reliable source), and a WatchMojo Top 10. As such, no evidence of passing WP:LISTN. At the very least move to "List of animal superheroes" since no other source but this and mirrors mention anthropomorphism, but I don't think that's in order. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep The word anthropomorphic should be dropped from the title as list of animal superheroes goes to the same page and better reflects the contents: characters like Krypto and Detective Chimp. The nomination complains that there are no sources but, as usual, that's just a matter of looking for them. Here's a selection:
- Keep We have a category for animal superheros, so why not a list? List offers the opportunity to expand with more information about each entry like other articles that list superheros has such as List of black superheroes. Plenty of blue links so its a valid list that aids in navigation. I think it should be renamed List of talking animals found in comic books. Do all of these animals have super powers or do some just talk? Are they all heroes or are some villains or neutrals? Dream Focus 12:10, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep but Rename - The "anthromorphic" should be removed from the title, and the article needs massive amounts of cleanup, but the concept itself makes for a valid list. Rorshacma (talk) 17:32, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I'm undecided on if this should be kept, but if it is it needs to be renamed and refocused. "Anthropomorphic" should be removed as redundant. "Superheroes" is both overly narrow and unclear. The Ninja Turtles are on the list, but their only "powers" are being anthropomorphic turtles and trained in martial arts. I would also recommend dividing it by medium of first appearance and/or revising it as a table to provide some kind of order. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:55, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:44, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Calendar of the Digger
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Unsourced and none seem to be available, no real article content beyond a description of the book and no article on the author. Other than being a couple of centuries old can't see that this has anything to warrant an article or to demonstrate notability Jac16888 Talk 17:26, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- This sounds identical to the PROD that was contested for supposed lack of validity. This sounds perfectly valid, but I am neutral. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:44, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment, is WP:OLDBOOK relevant here? Coolabahapple (talk) 02:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment, the author appears to be notable, see Italian WP article here, whether his books warrant standalone articles? Coolabahapple (talk) 02:09, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. In my WP:BEFORE on the Italian title - "Calendario del vangatore - it does not seem notable. The present article seems to be 1-to-1 translation of the Italian Wikipedia article. It seems this work was one of several "Calendar of" books or chapters that were bundled together into Corso d'Agricoltura pratica. I don't quite see how this sub-work passes enwiki notability, and I don't think it brings us closed to a bio on Lastri who may be notable. Icewhiz (talk) 15:09, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete in absence of an article WP:OLDBOOK is any help here; there still needs to be discoverable evidence of the work's impact, popularity, longevity or similar, which I can't find (it's actually a nice change to check up on something where the search results just plain stop after a page or two, rather than trail off into false positives :). Maybe a physical library trawl would find some, but we can't suppose that. Someone did a nice job writing up a venerable work from their library; alas I don't think it meets our notability requirements. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:27, 30 May 2019 (UTC)]
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- Well, no. That's not really how we operate - the responsibility for providing verification lies with the author; and unsourced material that has been challenged can and should be removed (and this right here is the process of challenge and acting on it). There's no barrier to recreation if such sources are presented later. But in the meantime, we have a responsibility towards our readers for not presenting unverifiable, possibly untrue material, that supersedes assumption of good faith on individual editors' part. - At least that's my take on it. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:16, 30 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Add: since I spend a lot of time on NPP trying to assess whether articles on Indian "internet entrepreneurs" meet our notability requirements, I shudder to think what would be lurching around in mainspace now if we were to rely on unverified assumptions of notability there... it's a horse of a slightly different colour with old books, but the principle applies :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:35, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Well, no. That's not really how we operate -
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- Delete - Unable to verify notability assertion in the article. ~Kvng (talk) 17:00, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:43, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Julia Suszfalak
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Does not meet notability for a model... if people even know what that means anymore. Trillfendi (talk) 17:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete, per nominator; the sources are trivial mentions (with photos, granted; but the text is trivial), and I couldn't find anything better by looking. --GRuban (talk) 02:19, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Can't access Vogue reference, NYM article is just a web profile, not an article. Fails WP:GNG. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:48, 28 May 2019 (UTC)]
- What it is in that Vogue Italia interview isn’t substantial. It’s a bunch of random questions in the “Model Wall” style. Trillfendi (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was Withdrawn by nominator. I apologize for wasting their precious time who participated in this discussion.
Outline of public transport
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- Speedy Keep Public transport is so obviously notable that the nomination must be some kind of mistake. Andrew D. (talk) 17:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - As above. I would be more than happy to review this if the nominator gave a more in-depth arguement as to why it should be deleted. Gazamp (talk) 17:40, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- No citation to prove notability. Fails 📞 17:51, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- You should read WP:OUTLINE, as you seem unfamiliar with the concept. Citations are not needed in an outline. MarkZusab (talk) 18:24, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- I see. Actually Wikipedia has tons of policy and guideline pages that I sometimes forget to read some of them. I am going to withdraw this AfD. 📞 18:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- I see. Actually Wikipedia has tons of policy and guideline pages that I sometimes forget to read some of them. I am going to withdraw this AfD.
- You should read
- No citation to prove notability. Fails
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The result was delete. ST47 (talk) 17:01, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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Subject does not meet
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- Delete a non-notable hockey player.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:17, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ST47 (talk) 17:01, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Józef Turowski
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Article reads like a PROMO for the book. Not close to meeting NPROF (h-index of around 3). Seems his main claim to significance is co-authoring a book with Władysław Siemaszko on massacres of Poles in Ukraine which was published after his death. Note he partially shares a name with Kazimierz Józef Turowski - a 19th century author who is more notable (though possibly not English WikiNotable).Icewhiz (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2019 (UTC) Icewhiz (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Speedy keep. Received WP:SOLDIER. As for NPROF, yes, probably he is not passing that one. It's a bit hard to judge the impact of pre-Internet, non-English sources. (Google Scholar shows a single, offline book review... at least what I think might be a book review), so I would probably NPOV the article by removing peacock language about his book being ground-breaking, etc. unless sources for such assessment are provided. Google Books shows ~80 citations for the Polish language of the title of the book ' Deportacje i przemieszczenia ludności polskiej w głąb ZSRR 1939- 1945', which is not too bad for a Polish-language 1989 history book (and of course Google Books is not the best citation index, but I am not aware of any others). His second book, 'Pozoga: walki 27 Wołyńskiej Dywizji AK', seems to roughly get a similar citation count and possibly one offline book review indexed by GScholar (and GScholar gives 9 citaitons for it, [3], but GBooks suggest more that are not caught up by Scholar, again). So, NPROF wise, he is not an academic, but his two books had 'some' impact. Enough? Errr... Ditto, for NCREATIVE. Probably on the wrong side of borderline. Finally, fails general GNG. I don't see any significant sources about the subject, a single interview in a Polish newspaper (and covered in associated radio station [4]) is all I see. But again, as he passes SOLDIER criteria for highest medal of valor from the Polish nation, that should be sufficient. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:01, 28 May 2019 (UTC)]
- One or two books cited by others is not close to passing PROF. SOLDIER is an essay, not a guideline, and is not a criteria for speedy keep (nor for retention - we have deleted subjects who have failed GNG but passed SOLDIER). Furthermore he clearly fails Légion d'Honneur and the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, are/were bestowed in different grades and/or have civil and military versions. For the purpose of this notability guide it is considered that only the highest military grade of such awards is likely to result in significant coverage to confer notability, although the case of recipients of lower grades needs to be considered carefully as some will potentially have this coverage also, while even some recipients of the highest grade may not. A discussion regarding awards with multiple grades can be found here.". The 5th grade of the Virtuti Militari is not close to be the "highest" award for valor - tens of thousands of such awards have been handed out. Icewhiz (talk) 05:44, 28 May 2019 (UTC)]
- I would like to see a discussion about VM grades to be sure it is in the same group. Either way, I stand by my view - VM, +some evidence of impact of his research, is enough for me. We have really spammy sport / business bio / corp entries to hunt, no need to worry too much about borderline activists and scholars, particularly when it's clear that we have a serious problem with the proportion of things like sport to academic bios. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:32, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- One or two books cited by others is not close to passing PROF. SOLDIER is an essay, not a guideline, and is not a criteria for speedy keep (nor for retention - we have deleted subjects who have failed GNG but passed SOLDIER). Furthermore he clearly fails
- Keep Passes NPROF according to 1 and
87.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:32, 28 May 2019 (UTC)- NPROF(8) is "The person is or has been head or chief editor of a major well-established academic journal in their subject area" - no source supporting this has been proffered (and it seems unlikely). Have one or two works (co-authored in this case)) that are cited by others (per Piotrus - 80, I see 18 in google books - and some of them are not academic. Google scholar (which filters out non-academic works) - shows 10) is not close to meeting NPROF(1).Icewhiz (talk) 05:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- You're right I meant 7.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:05, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
"7. The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity."
- certainly a novel claim here, as there is no indication that the subject had academic training or was in academia (we do have a source saying he, with his co-author, was"associated with Polish veterans’ organizations"
, hence"in their academic capacity"
is unmet. It is also hard for him to meet the cited criteria of PROF-7 - "frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert in a particular area" (which generally requires sources in !vote) due to his death prior to publication. Icewhiz (talk) 07:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)- NPROF 1, perhaps, but better sources are needed to evaluate the impact of his books. Just being cited a bit is not sufficient, I'd like to see at least one academic source that calls at least one of his books significant. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:26, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- You're right I meant 7.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:05, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Wołyń's Polish Population, 1939–1945), published in 1990 in Warsaw by the Chief Commission for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes in Poland and the Institute of National Remembrance. Turowski's writings are cited in a number of English-language Wikipedia articles. A discussion of his Conflagration, within the broader context of writings on the subject, may be found at: [6]. Nihil novi (talk) 12:00, 30 May 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 15:01, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Harrison Bagwell
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Failed Gubernatorial candidates don't automatically a
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- Delete Like most Billy Hathorn articles, once you peel away primary sources and the articles linked via tangential relations to the subject there's no real indication of notability. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:02, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: per WP:POLOUTCOMES. Marquardtika (talk) 19:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete More Billy Hathorn crud. Probably contains copyvios from offline sources, knowing his way of editing. 💸 01:06, 2 June 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete Clearly fails WP:NPOL. Newshunter12 (talk) 14:06, 2 June 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 03:52, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Szczepan Siekierka
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Main claim to fame seems to be being President of the Polish Society for the Remembrance of the Victims of Crimes Committed by Ukrainian Nationalists SUOZUN (Polish: Stowarzyszenie Upamiętnienia Ofiar Zbrodni Ukraińskich Nacjonalistów). This is a very small association. Subject doesn't pass PROF/AUTHOR (h-index of around 3, together with co-authors). He doesn't pass GNG (he gets a namedrop in an annual ceremony), nor the SOLDIER SNG. Much of publications appear to be in the associations newsletter (Na Rubieży) or something similar. Icewhiz (talk) 14:10, 26 May 2019 (UTC) Icewhiz (talk) 14:10, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete writer/activist, but books are neither widely reviewed nor widely cited. No SIGCOV of him, or profiles of him found. fails WP:GNG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Weak delete/drafity. His small association recently got a minor governmental award ([7]) that he received on its behalf, but it's not really saying much about his notability. But we don't have a reliable way to estimate h-index of scholars publishing not in English and in non-English journals. But even GScholar gives a dozen+ publications for him, with few top cited in 5-15 citation range. His work had impact and received academic reviews (ex. [8]). That's not bad, but pretty borderline for even good faithed stretch of NPROF. There's also some coverage of him as an activist - he met the president and there's a bit of coverage in media, through not a lot (GNews for "Szczepan Siekierka"). Not much. I'd suggest to draftify this in the creator userspace, I wouldn't be surprised if the subject would receive some governmental awards like Polonia Restituta that may push him more into notability. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:40, 28 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Weak keep
Shorten and remove the "Publications" section as per Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus's impact analysis.Zezen (talk) 08:53, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- Delete On balance, there aren't enough significant sources for GNG, and while it's a borderline academic SNG case, I don't think there's any "gotcha" element like a prestigious enough award to push it into clearly meeting requirements. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 23:48, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Seems like the claims of meeting
Leszek Gondek
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Poorly sourced - standard death notice on nekrologi.wyborcza.pl and a review (dead link) in polishhistory.pl. Doesn't pass
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Delete10-year-old ORPHAN page about a historian who published in Polish. In those 10 years the only substantive material added to the page is this unsourced text: [9], itself arguably a violation ofWP:NOTMEMORIAL. What I can verify is that although he wrote about a period , Poland during WWII, about which oceans of ink have been spilled, I am not finding him cited in non-Polish books on the topic in the Latin alphabet. This appears to be part of something approaching a walled garden, a literature in Polish about Poland during the Second World War that is not in conversation with the literature about WWII published in French, German and English.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep. It's hard to establish NPOF for scholars who published pre-Internet and not in English, GScholars is notoriously bad with indexing their works. As EMG notes, it's a walled garden problem, but it doesn't mean they such scholars had no impact - it is just that they published in Polish, and few English scholars read Polish. Same problems face a lot of other scholarship around the world, even modern, from Poland, to Korea, Japan, etc. (Of course, a good chunk of such scholarship is low quality, but that's another issue). Here, GScholar shows dozen+ publications, with 4 reporting 10+ citations - which is not bad, again, considering GScholar is likely to miss a bunch of citations for non-English works. GBooks also shows a number of citations. And some of those citing him are in English (ex. see [10] which cites some of his findings). He is described in English here, for example: "Prof. Gondek is the author of a book on Polish intelligence activities against Germany in pre-war years". His work got non-academic reviews, too, ex . [11], [12]. He is described as the author of the most important works on Polish WWII justice system here. Lastly, he is a subject of an in-depth treatment - a book chapter: [13]. Even if the other arguments are borderline, being a subject to a chapter-length academic treatment should be sufficient for keeping his bio. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:08, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Some historians' unfamiliarity with an author is not ipso facto evidence of his non-notability. Two of Leszek Gondek's books were published by the Polish Ministry of National Defense, which saw merit in them. Nihil novi (talk) 20:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Gondek is quoted by John Connelly and others in several English-language Wikipedia articles. Nihil novi (talk) 09:44, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Perhaps he belongs in the Polish wikipedia, but not in the English one.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- He certainly passes pl wiki notability for academics, which are more accepting than ours. Unfortunately, English Wikipedia has very lax criteria for sportspeople, but very strict for academics (see User:Levivich/Footy_AfDs). As I said, I believe this is a problem, and one way to change this is here; another at the talk of the notability guidelines for academics, where we have some ongoing discussions. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. https://scholar.google.pl/scholar?hl=pl&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=leszek+gondek&btnG= Xx236 (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:53, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
PornoTube
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No coverage in
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- Delete - Does not meet notability standards. The Zeus is Ha-Zeus (talk) 19:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. I just repaired a dead link to a ]
- Delete: does not meet WP:NWEB. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:16, 30 May 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 12:47, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Bryan Bush (politician)
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Another Billy Hawthorn special. The article is about a local district attorney and fails
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- Delete Fails WP:NPOL....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:54, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete Fails ]
- Delete Agree with nom. It fails ]
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The result was Delete. Closing discussion as it was speedy deleted as
]Zaan Khan
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Fails
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- Delete per non good writing style also it's locks living people biography Goodd-002 (chatme) 07:24, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- What does
"it's locks living people biography"
mean? -- Begoon 17:33, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- What does
- This article is about Zaan Khan, who is an Indian actor but there is a lack of Reliable sources in this article. Goodd-002 (chatme) 19:35, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Was that an answer to my question? Because I still have no idea what
"it's locks living people biography"
means. -- Begoon 01:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Was that an answer to my question? Because I still have no idea what
- This article is about Zaan Khan, who is an Indian actor but there is a lack of Reliable sources in this article. Goodd-002 (chatme) 19:35, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Added reliable sources, did clean up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:4223:E8B8:0:0:2373:58A0 (talk) 09:15, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per Deb. I share those concerns. There are a couple of dubious accounts creating very weakly sourced, poorly written, promotional articles in that particular niche topic area. Further investigation would probably be a good thing. -- Begoon 01:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 12:39, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Nico Parker (child actress)
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Has only appeared in one notable film. Fails
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- Weak delete: possibly a WP:BIO. Ceethekreator (talk) 13:41, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
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- Speedy delete and stop making articles like this for God’s sake. She’s a child. Trillfendi (talk) 16:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete Could be WP:NACTOR. She only contributed majorly in one notable show, which is Dumbo. INeedSupport :3 03:55, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete per the arguments above. At the moment she would not seem to meet notability requirements. It may well be that this will change in the future, and at such a time an article could be created, but this does not alter the fact that at the moment an article is premature. Dunarc (talk) 22:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. That said, if people can find
Aviad Cohen
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- Delete - Only know for one thing, a parody song that was never a hit nor went viral. He put out a few non-notable albums. The Zeus is Ha-Zeus (talk) 11:28, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete the Article because it's not notable itself.Forest90 (talk) 12:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep: per User:Cavarrone from the old afd discussion. The sources just need to be integrated Ceethekreator (talk) 12:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BIO. Most of the sources cited by Cavarrone in the old AFD are dead links. A search brings up 2 articles from The Forward and one from Haaretz, but none of them have enough biographical or career history to make an article out of. Yoninah (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete He is not notable as a musician, and practicing more than one religion does not make someone notable either. BneiBrakPhone (talk) 17:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete fails Wikipedia:MUSICBIO.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was withdrawn by nominator.(non-admin closure) ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 21:05, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Salty Dog (band)
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I nominated this for speedy deletion a bit ago and it was declined. Am now running it through AfD.
The sourcing here is not adequate: three of the references are to a website called "Sleazeroxx", and as near as I can tell from the website, it consists only of a series of posts by readers (their "about us" page just reiterates their subject area and says nothing about staff or editorial oversight, which am fairly certain are non-existent). The single reference to Allmusic is problematic because Allmusic is just that: it covers all music, without discrimination and without regard to notoriety or significance. When I try to go to the Discogs site, I get a long page of JSON code that makes no sense to me. Finally, the MelodicRock reference reads pretty much like a press release, or like it was written by the band itself: the site had no information at all about who generates its content or edits it or decides what to include or what not. A Google News search turns up nothing about them in the first few pages, at least nothing that I spotted. A loose necktie (talk) 11:20, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator. A loose necktie (talk) 01:22, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep All Music is not problematic at all, it is an established WikiProject Music reliable source as listed here Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources and there are thousands of music artists on Wikipedia who do not get a biography or reviews there (which are written by professional music critics). I agree about the other two sites and will look for extra sources later, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 14:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. Allmusic is a reliable source, and it doesn't give coverage to every artist. Given the band split up 8 years ago, why would you expect to find results in Google News (which only includes recent news articles)? Where else have you looked? --Michig (talk) 08:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Significant coverage here, here, and also some coverage in Martin Popoff's book The Big Book of Hair Metal: The Illustrated Oral History of Heavy Metal's Debauched Decade, with almost certainly more in print from the 80s/90s, and their album for Geffen Records charted on the Billboard 200, as confirmed by Joel Whitburn's books on Billboard's album charts. --Michig (talk) 09:28, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: the article needs a serious rewrite, but there's no doubt the group passes WP:BAND. As noted by Michig, their album charted on the Billboard 200 [15]. They were the main feature and on the cover of issue #274 (27 January 1990) of Kerrang! magazine – they were also featured in issue #247 (15 July 1989) and #272 (13 January 1990), as well as having a song on a two-track flexidisc given away by the magazine in issue #280 (10 March 1990)... with all this promotion by the magazine it's almost certain the album was also reviewed in Kerrang! It was certainly reviewed in Metal Hammer, in the issue 29 January 1990 (they gave it 4/5). Sources clearly exist in print media of 1989/1990. Richard3120 (talk) 16:32, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 12:36, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Geeta Mehta
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Not finding any independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources, either those in the article or elsewhere online - lack of
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- Keep - I found the opposite from nom's "Not finding any independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources, either those in the article or elsewhere online." A search also led me to the opposite of the nom's statement that the subject is a "Run-of-the-mill businesswoman." As an example of a search, the subject is included in a "who’s who of architects and thought leaders" in the 2017 full-length documentary Citizen Jane: Battle for the City. Also, in January 2019, the subject was named (but declined because of an upcoming election) by the Government of India as a recipient of the Padma Shri award for distinguished contribution to literature and education. The article has been cleaned up but still needs some work. As it stands now, however, with the reliable sources in the article that show notability, the subject easily passes WP:SIGCOV. A "speedy keep" may be warranted. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 06:19, 28 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep per ]
- Keep - not addressing the issue of promotion in the article, but clearly passes ]
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:03, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Jacob Kyle Young
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Hello. An actor who clearly does not pass
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- Keep the Article. I looked the Article and find the above claim for deleting the article isn't fair.Forest90 (talk) 12:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:NACTOR as he has played in multiple movies and has been featured on reliable news sources which we can clearly see in references and i think nominator was not aware of that. Owlf 19:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Owlf Which of those sources are reliable, independent, in depth coverage that you think I've "missed"? Praxidicae (talk) 11:03, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Praxidicae I checked the URL again and find some content are removed and links not working but few I can see here [[16]],[[17]] and as per his IMDB he has played on multiple movies. 13:40, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Owlf Being in a movie does not make anyone notable, it means they have had several jobs. Being in several films also doesn't make someone notable unless the films are notable and the role is significant. That is not the case here. This is a vanity PR piece and not independent, reliable or in depth and This is basically a business hobby blog and not independent or reliable. Praxidicae (talk) 14:07, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Praxidicae I checked the URL again and find some content are removed and links not working but few I can see here [[16]],[[17]] and as per his IMDB he has played on multiple movies. 13:40, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Owlf Which of those sources are reliable, independent, in depth coverage that you think I've "missed"? Praxidicae (talk) 11:03, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete The entire profile of this article is alarming. The creator of this article had been inactive for 5 years and never created an article before this - indeed the editing area is completely unrelated to the kind of content that had been previously been editing suggesting some combination of UPE/compromised account. This actor does not pass NACTOR - has no significant roles (only supporting roles). There is a lot of coverage out there about him but not those which meet GNG it's a lot of press releases. Further the article itself has issues as it attempts to show notability by relating Young to topics which are notable. I would ask Owlf and Forest90 to reconsider their !votes. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:52, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Barkeep49:, I rod your comment and check some of your claims. But if I want to change my vote it will be merge the article, I looked to article again and saw the actor played a new role in a 2019 movie (and had played many roles before). It's can keep by merging but deleting whole article is not the best option.Forest90 (talk) 17:42, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Forest90 To which article are you proposing it is merged to? Praxidicae (talk) 11:03, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Barkeep49:, I rod your comment and check some of your claims. But if I want to change my vote it will be merge the article, I looked to article again and saw the actor played a new role in a 2019 movie (and had played many roles before). It's can keep by merging but deleting whole article is not the best option.Forest90 (talk) 17:42, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I don't see any notable roles in notable films. Many of the wikilinks to films in the article were clearly to the wrong films (several of the movies were described as short films in the articles, but the wikilinks pointed to full-length films or in one case an Iranian film he was clearly not in). I don't see any reliable sources, just press releases. Smells like paid-promotion. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete BIO, GNG. Graywalls (talk) 10:59, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 15:00, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
LetterWise
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- Weak keep. I considered AfDing this myself, but then I found a few mentions in academic works. Such as the one I've added a few days ago. Can the nom explain how it is a primary or not independent? Well, I admit it is likely from the people who patented it, but a primary academic work is I think generally seen as somewhat reliable? Through it's a conference, not a paper, but in computer science, those are relatively common.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- When I nominated, the article consisted of a single academic paper written by the authors of the software (primary, not independent - I've seen a few academic papers written by the academics who wrote the software recently, and that does not convey notability on the software they wrote), the software patent (primary, not independent), and three links to the company that wrote the software's web site. That paper has been cited a few times, but considering this is commercial software and not say an academic profile under ]
- It perhaps should be noted on record that my best understanding is Scott MacKenzie the first named on the paper was a prolific writer on human-computer interaction and as far as I am aware was not not an employee of the company (but there may have been a relationship). I am minded his purpose may have been to give independent scrutiny of the effectiveness of LetterWise but I have no knowlegde whatsoever of the extent of his independence or otherwise to Eatoni or LetterWise.Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:22, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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* Delete: Not a sporting event, pop star, video game etc. Put it out of its misry quickly. Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:19, 13 May 2019 (UTC)I ask myself is this an unethical comment? - Weak Delete - Does not satisfy promotional language. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:11, 13 May 2019 (UTC)]
- To quote Dorcas Lane ... My one weakness is ... that I naturally ignore sales pitch language. Well at least I think I do. If the wordwise entry makes things worse feel free to say so and back it out. The article has received no love whatsoever. Reading about Letterwise/Wordwise there was the significant MacKenzie/Kober/Smith3/Jones/Skepner paper "LetterWise: Prefix-based Disambiguation for Mobile Text Input" which is quite often cited by other research. Efforts to market it for Mobile(cell) phones seem to have failed with T9/Mulit-tap etc retaining the market referred to in More power to the thumb Economist 22 june 2002 p11 & 9783039114511 pp86.87. However there was some traction in DECT/cordless and Iridium satellite phones probably due to memory. Eatoni got into a massive lawsuit with RIM(Blackberry) following another one and a make up before that. More recently Eatoni seems to have continued with some phone apps and multiple language stuff and [18] is interesting but not sure how much is egged. Most of the isn't in the article. I might try tweaking the toning the apparent usage a bit ... if I make things worse revert it.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:57, 13 May 2019 (UTC)]
Done ... knowing me not perfect but have highlighted where claims were being made.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:52, 13 May 2019 (UTC) Now
Not done as assessed as spam below. Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:08, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- delete — not sure if this is notable or not, but the article as written is just spam. Vectro (talk) 20:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Vectro ... I have had no option but to revert my contributions to the LetterWise article as they are obviously not helping and it is inappropriate for me to leave them in place with your assessment. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:20, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- *I've a review. I can't be sure just spam is incorrect. In fact it is probably an incorrect statement. I think I had identified and moderated over-egged claims. While I can see you are not WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP so perhaps a despamming pass is necessary at some point.Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:39, 19 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep: Source Scott MacKenzie is not critical but Frehner, Wigdor/Balakrishnan, Isokoski, Alavi have merit (I think one or two of those are passing only from memory but have independence); from the Eatomi/RIM suings of the 2000s we have the references under robert above, as also we have the reference for the N'Ko script language use. So we have a fair bit around one way and another. The MacKenzie paper is a Goto with a lot of citations but the majority of those will be passing mentions.Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:39, 19 May 2019 (UTC) Actually RC will be relatively good judge if I've eased the promotional language. Where I added Multi-tap to the example it is I feel quite a nice example however the word sirs shows Letterwise in a more favourable light compared to how mama would show Multitap to its best advantage. Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:48, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment: The LetterWise article has undergone further improvement over the past few days with additional references added some of which I believe sate WP:RS and pragmatically I would now find it hard to believe any lack of notability claim against the article as it now stands would succeed. I proffer that most promotional claims made in the article have been eliminated, qualified or moderated however my deepening scrutiny suggest some may persist (though they are now not serious in the overall context of the article). For that reason particularly I am using an under construction while scrutiny, refinement and improvement of the article continues as a background task. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:56, 22 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
- "More power to the thumb". The Economist. 2002-06-20. Archived from the original on 2019-05-20. Retrieved 2019-05-26.
- Lettice, John (2002-05-27). "SMS, word entry killer app goes hunting for Nokia". The Register. Archived from the original on 2019-05-26. Retrieved 2019-05-26.
- MacKenzie, I. Scott (2002). "KSPC (Keystrokes per Character) as a Characteristic of Text Entry Techniques". In Paternò, Fabio (ed.). Human Computer Interaction with Mobile Devices: 4th International Symposium, Mobile HCI 2002, Pisa, Italy, September 18–20, 2002 Proceedings. Berlin: ISBN 3-540-44189-1. Retrieved 2019-05-26.
- Olsen Jr., Dan R. (2009). Lee, Marie (ed.). Building Interactive Systems: Principles for Human-Computer Interaction. Boston: ISBN 978-1-4239-0248-5. Retrieved 2019-05-26.
- Mooney, Elizabeth V. (2001-01-15). "Eatoni taps into text-entry solutions market". Radio Communications Report. 29 (3). Crain Communications.
Sources with quotes- "More power to the thumb". The Economist. 2002-06-20. Archived from the original on 2019-05-20. Retrieved 2019-05-26.
The article notes:
Eatoni Ergonomics, a small company based in New York, has developed a rival predictive-text technology called LetterWise which, it claims, is far superior to T9. Unlike T9, it is not based on a dictionary, but on a series of tiny rules that enable it to predict, given what has already been typed, which letter the user is most likely to want next. For example, “Q” is most often followed by “U”. Of the three letters “MNO”, words most commonly start with “O”. The letters “ST” are most often followed by a vowel. And so on. Like T9, LetterWise has a special key, used to step through possible letters when it guesses wrong.
It may not sound like a great leap forward, but it works well. Unlike T9, LetterWise can be used to type proper names, addresses and Internet locations. It is simple to learn, and speeds of 38 words per minute (wpm) are possible, compared with 23 wpm for T9 and 20 wpm for multitap, says Howard Gutowitz, Eatoni's boss.
LetterWise has benefits for phone makers as well as users. Being based on rules, not a dictionary, it occupies only three kilobytes of memory; T9 needs as much as 100 kilobytes. Many phones contain dictionaries for up to 20 languages, so this saving can be multiplied several times over. For Asian languages, the savings are even greater. And since mobile phones typically have only 2,048 kilobytes of memory, this leaves more room for games and other features. LetterWise's small size also makes it feasible for use in short-range cordless phones, which typically have no more than 128 kilobytes of memory.
Yet despite all these advantages, LetterWise has failed to take off. Mobile-phone makers are reluctant to break ranks and defect from T9, says Mr Gutowitz. But he has a plan. LetterWise has been licensed to Philips, Siemens and Panasonic who, together, account for more than half the European market in cordless phones. Over the next few months, it will become possible to send text messages from fixed-line phones as well as mobile ones, and those phones will have LetterWise built in. Mr Gutowitz hopes this will enable the technology to reach a wide audience, and encourage mobile-phone makers to include it in their handsets, too. A deal with one mobile firm, he says, is already on the cards.
- Lettice, John (2002-05-27). "SMS, word entry killer app goes hunting for Nokia". The Register. Archived from the original on 2019-05-26. Retrieved 2019-05-26.
The article notes:
How does it work? Both products use a standard mobile phone layout keyboard, so needn't change form factor at all, although the keys will need to be appropriately labelled. Letterwise is a predictive text entry system, and Wordwise is a more advanced product more likely to appeal to touch typists, and capable of greater speed.
You can get a better handle on how they work if you understand what they're not. So, although Letterwise feels similar to the multitap systems common on mobile phones, where you press the key repeatedly in order to get the correct letter, Letterwise takes a stab at guessing the letter that should come next. So it'll kick off a word with the most common letter obtained via the key you press, and get more accurate as the word continues. If it gets the letter wrong (most commonly at the start of the word), then you countermand it by pressing the designated 'Eatoni' key, which The Register feels should be labelled the Nope key, but which currently isn't.
What's happening here is that Eatoni is using predictive smarts, whereas multitap is simply using brute force. Your brute force, phone manufacturer's cost saving. Dictionary-based systems such as T9 are the more upmarket rivals, but Eatoni claims a 15 fold advantage in terms of queries and lookup errors over T9, and more crucially, dictionary-based systems take up an awful lot more space, meaning more cost for the phone manufacturers, and less likelihood of them becoming ubiquitous. Letterwise, on the other hand, uses a scalable database that can fit into a few kilobytes, although accuracy is better, the more storage there is. The database itself is not a dictionary, but a language-specific prediction system, and the most common letters used in English on the phone keypad are cehlnsty, since you ask. Frequencies differ from language to language, and Eatoni offers numerous different versions, including Latin. Why Latin? Because we could, apparently.
- MacKenzie, I. Scott (2002). "KSPC (Keystrokes per Character) as a Characteristic of Text Entry Techniques". In Paternò, Fabio (ed.). Human Computer Interaction with Mobile Devices: 4th International Symposium, Mobile HCI 2002, Pisa, Italy, September 18–20, 2002 Proceedings. Berlin: ISBN 3-540-44189-1. Retrieved 2019-05-26.
The book notes:
Prefix-Based Disambiguation. To avoid the problem just noted, Eatoni Ergonomics (www.eatoni.com) developed an alternative to dictionary-based disambiguation. Their method, called LetterWise, uses prefix-based disambiguation [7]. Instead of using a stored dictionary to guess the intended word, LetterWise uses probabilities of “prefixes” in the target language to guess the intended letter. A prefix is simply the letters preceding the current keystroke. Implementations currently use a prefix size of three. For example, if the user presses the 3 key with prefix ‘_th’, the intended next letter is quite likely ‘e’ because ‘_the’ in English is far more probable than ‘_thd’ or ‘_thf’.
The distinguishing feature is that prefix-based disambiguation does not use a dictionary of stored words: it is based on the probabilities of letter sequences in a language. Thus, the technique degrades gracefully when confronted with unusual character sequences, as in abbreviations, slang, etc. Switching to an alternate entry mode is not needed.
Still, the wrong letter is occasionally produced, and in these cases the user presses the NEXT key to choose the next mostly likely letter for the given key and context.
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Although the comparison with dictionary-based disambiguation is less impressive, the KSPC figure for LetterWise does not carry the same assumption with respect to dictionary words.
- Olsen Jr., Dan R. (2009). Lee, Marie (ed.). Building Interactive Systems: Principles for Human-Computer Interaction. Boston: ISBN 978-1-4239-0248-5. Retrieved 2019-05-26.
The book notes:
The LetterWise14 system addressed the T9 issues by using character N-grams rather than a dictionary. When the user presses a key, the most probable character, given the previous N-1 characters, is displayed. This means that the user sees immediately the character that has been selected. If this character is incorrect, Multitap techniques are used to get at the correct character. This is an extension of the earlier LessTap15 system that uses only character probabilities. LessTap and LetterWise are not reliant upon words being in the dictionary. MacKenzie et al have reported a KSPC of 1.15 for LetterWise. They also performed actual text entry experiments over many days to address the learning issues. In the first 25-minute session, LetterWise achieved 7.3 words per minute with Multitap generating 7.2 wpm. By the 20th session, LetterWise users achieved an average of 21 wpm with Multitap achieving 15.5 wpm.
- Mooney, Elizabeth V. (2001-01-15). "Eatoni taps into text-entry solutions market". Radio Communications Report. 29 (3). Crain Communications.
The article notes:
LetterWise is the first generation of Eatoni's LOPA software. It is designed to compete with the multi-tap systems in common use on mobile phones today.
On average, multi-tap requires 2.2 keystrokes per letter typed, Gutowitz said. LetterWise, which eliminates the need for users to press a "next" key or wait for a time-out, averages 1.18 strokes per letter.
LetterWise uses three kilobytes of memory, small enough to fit easily onto a Subscriber Identity Module card. Although SIM cards generally are associated with GSM air interfaces, the predictive text system is agnostic regarding RF technology, Gutowitz said.
reliable sources to allow LetterWise to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".]
- I don't think all of those pass WP:GNG - for instance, the MacKenzie scholarly article is fundamentally self-published - but I admittedly didn't see the Economist article in my before search. SportingFlyer T·C 21:46, 29 May 2019 (UTC)]
- I don't think all of those pass
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- Keep Since this article is under major construction work.Catfurball (talk) 20:16, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment:(As construction template steward) To a degree most if not all or nearly all sources relevant to notability are in place from an AfD viewpoint. The main reason its up there is I'm still tweaking and cross checking if a significant claim is made it is from a reliable source; this particularly affects the WordWise section. I'd like to have had the template off by now or at least down to two sections. Two mornings in a row I got up with the intention of concentrating on this but it hasn't happened and three mornings ago working back from another paper I needed to introduce and look at the (Primary) Kober paper. The article is probably now at the point no-one would attempt to take it to AfD and most would not contemplate it. However a sustained argument by a skilled possibly non neutral deletionist could make a defence by an unskilled person as myself difficult (witness TOPCAT (software) and Kst (software)). Currerntly I feel have countered the initial argument to what I believe is this required level and that is unchallenged of recent and the article has now also has its subject broadened giving a wider notability surface. Thankyou. 21:39, 29 May 2019 (UTC) I observe the nom. has just altered content in the previous section as soon as I have made this comment selectively dismissing some of Cunard's suggested source while sweeping over others. I find it hard to believe MacKenzie's conference paper, experiments and study, widely cited, and at least partially verified was not scrutinised prior to conference acceptance. But I have already noted 10 days ago MacKenzie et al is not critical for notability. I note particularly Olsen is source not in the article that is useful from all points.Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Per WP:PRESERVED in WP. Britishfinance (talk) 08:34, 2 June 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 14:55, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Bob Singh Dhillon
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I don't see that this rich man meets our notability requirements. He gets two mentions on GBooks, a handful on GNews. Where is the in-depth coverage that would enable us to write a better article about him than the present poor stub? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:56, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment – He has been amply covered by the mainstream media in India and Canada, but most of that coverage seems like in the form of interviews (with seemingly inadequate independent coverage), e.g. [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], etc. But a few articles seem to have decent amount of independent coverage, such as this one of The Sunday Guardian. Anyway, this perception of mine is based on a cursory search, and will look again at this in a day or two. BTW, is anyone familiar with this magazine? - NitinMlk (talk) 20:05, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep @SyndicaterUI78, and NitinMlk: Please take another look. I have expanded the article with multiple references, and it is now a decently referenced short article about a person who is clearly notable. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
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- Weak keep. I looked the article and find it's could remain,no significant issue I saw in main Article.Forest90 (talk) 12:24, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. This debate suffers from a lack of participation. If no RS (in English or any other language) become available in the coming month, no prejudice against a renomination. Randykitty (talk) 14:54, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Arvind Krishna (actor)
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- Comment I don't believe that not knowing a language means one must nominate the article for deletion. This discussion would be proper at the talkpage of the article. Thanking you. --✝iѵɛɳ२२४०†ลℓк †๏ мэ 02:56, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Tiven2240, There is hardly any coverage on the subject in English or Telugu. while nominating I had done my searches but, if someone could enlight me on that, I am ready and we can close this AFD as keep, But I don't think we would find much. this AFD is one way to seeks input from the community. thanks QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 07:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment Article is notable and BLP sources tag is better than XFD.IRIEN✓ (aka MAh'ia)🙏 10:19, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 14:48, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Beverly Foit-Albert
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* Keep China's Sacred Sites appears to be a notable text with only two authors, according to WorldCat its held by 260 institutions so while I have misgivings about the publisher Himalayan Institute. Subject also seems to have accomplished a somewhat significant feat in their field, e.g. "formed the first solely women-owned Buffalo architectural firm, Foit-Albert Associates, in 1977.” They appear to have had a long and productive career, I think this passesHorse Eye Jack (talk) 21:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment - being co-author of one book doesn't pass WP:AUTHOR, although the book itself may pass but it's best to let the process make that decision. As for the claim of her forming "the first solely women-owned Buffalo architectural firm", the cited source does not support that claim, and I have since removed it. The cited source actually states: ...people used to call me the groundhog,” jokes Foit-Albert. “I began FAA with just two other young architects. Once we landed some historic preservation work in the village of Orchard Park, N.Y., we finally set up the first real office.” She was referring to working out of her basement and then moving into her "first real office." The article is promotion of the book she co-authored, and of her architectural firm and simply doesn't qualify for inclusion in WP per WP:GNG or WP:Notability. It is better suited for an interview-type article in one of the industry magazines. Atsme Talk 📧 14:55, 13 May 2019 (UTC)]
DeleteThe book appears to have gotten very little coverage, Library Journal is a good source, PubWeekly less so, because they review such a high percentage of trade books. And the local Buffalo paper covered the book, but "local author writes..." doesn't cut much mustard. FailsWP:GNG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:37, 13 May 2019 (UTC)]
- E.M.Gregory, while I agree that LJ is the better source, Publisher's Weekly is a good source. They don't review "all" of the books. They review a lot, but a long time ago, I went through and broke it down and they seem to have a good ratio of reviews to all of the books published each year in English and Spanish. Basically, if it's not in PW, we should worry! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:27, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't say "all". But it is true that, as you said, "if it's not in PW, we should worry", that is, we should doubt even the possibility that a book is notable because PU does indeed review viruually ever book that is published "trade" that the publicists at a reputable publishing house are pushing. This makes PW an excellence index of book that publishers hope will sell. But as an indicator of notability? not so much. Many/most books reviewed in PW sink with hardly a ripple.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:49, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- E.M.Gregory, while I agree that LJ is the better source, Publisher's Weekly is a good source. They don't review "all" of the books. They review a lot, but a long time ago, I went through and broke it down and they seem to have a good ratio of reviews to all of the books published each year in English and Spanish. Basically, if it's not in PW, we should worry! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:27, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Delete..'see below for my modification of this: We need more coverage of women who are notable architects; the underlined words are both important--the first to indicate an area we need to emphasise, the second to indicate the basic qualification for an article. One non academic book does not meet WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR, and there is no indication that he work as an architect is notable . There's a list of awards and boards at an earlier version [30]. None of them indicate notability. (The who's who link thereis a little odd, since it goes to someone else's entry; I notice this was in the earliest version, and the fact that it goes to someone else's entry is obvious from the inserted reference [31], so this indicates a remarkable careless preparation of the article,and I am embarrassed that this work might come from an event sponsored by WM-NYC. DGG ( talk ) 00:32, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep She passes GNG. I found an article from Tennessee (and added it to the article). The Tennessee piece talks about her success as an architect while being a single mother and her firm revitalizing the downtown historic area of Buffalo. In addition, there are several sources that I cannot access here: 1) "Beverly Foit-Albert". Business First of Buffalo. September 2013:B-9. 2) CHUGHTAI-HARVEY, A. Beverly Foit-Albert has been to the top of the mountain, in more ways than one. Business First of Buffalo, [s. l.], v. 21, n. 47, p. 17, 2005. 3) Foit-Albert re-enters architecture business. Business First of Buffalo, [s. l.], v. 31, n. 40, p. 4, 2015. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:24, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- User:Megalibrarygirl I'm getting only a snippet view of that Buffalo article, " So perhaps it should come as no surprise that Ms. [Beverly] Foit-Albert -- president and CEO of Foit-Albert Associates, Architecture, Engineering, Surveying -- is passionate about Buffalo. Just as significant, with the architecture students she teaches at the University at Buffalo, Ms. Foit-Albert has undertaken studies aimed at finding new uses for old city landmarks as diverse as Central Terminal, the Henry Hobson Richardson buildings at the Buffalo Psychiatric Center, former East Side churches and the industrial buildings of the waterfront's Cobblestone Historic District. But nothing speaks more about passion for the city than what Ms. Foit-Albert did with her own business in the late 1980s. Precisely as common sense was leading other businesses in the opposite direction, Ms. Foit-Albert took over a Main Street building that had..." It is from the city she liven in, but it looks like a SIGCOV profile.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:56, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Thanks to User:Megalibrarygirl for taking a closer look, I had only searchedthe book. Here's another long, profile, full view can be accessed on Proquest. I am not familiar with this publiction, but it showed up in a Proquest newspaper search. (Profile: Beverly Foit-Albert, Hirsch, Dick. Western New York; Buffalo Vol. 67, Iss. 7, (Jul 1992): 26.). And the same Proquest search shows multio;e article about her in the Buffalo paper, some with full view. I am not gonna have time to source this one today - but I think the book + the Buffalo newspaper coverage of her opinions, buildings, and career over many years puts her over top.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:08, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Megalibrarygirl, the business first source would make a big difference but I can neither access the source nor withdraw my nom. Perhaps the closer will take this into consideration? Atsme Talk 📧 19:36, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- I couldn't access the source, either, Atsme. I just added them in case others can view them. I think the stuff in the article already and the ref I found already mean she passes GNG. The other sources would help expand her article, I think. :) Thanks to E.M.Gregory for helping to improve the article. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Here is the magazine I referenced, [www.wnyheritage.org/ Western New York]. Looks like a solid, regional (not just local) source. Unfotunately, online archive only goes back to 1997, and this was published in 1992. I read it via Proquest and was able to bring the article up to where I think it meets WP:BASIC. Noting also that her book is cited in other, serious-looking books on this topic [32].E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC) E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:10, 16 May 2019 (UTC)]
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- Comment Even for cities like Buffalo, I am reluctant to accept the evidence of their newspapers as sufficiently reliable sources for notability, The snippet quoted above shows why: They are celebrating her not for being an architect, but for being a local architect--for advancing her and their own city. This is the opposite of NPOV coverage--it's rat her promotionalism of their city, Additionally, based on the descriptions in the reviews, her book is not a scholarly or even serious book about Chinese acred sites or Chinese architecture , but a sort of popular coffee table book Not that one couldn't be notable for writing such books, but not for just one , unles sit had really spectacular reviews--which this one does not . DGG ( talk ) 17:30, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- There are, in fact, non local sources. AIArcitect has her as the architect-of-the-week [33], Builders Review, a trade journal, profiled her firm in 2014 Foit-Albert Associates Designing for the community and environment. E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:48, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
- Local sources aren't worthless. Buffalo is a large city and any person who is notable in that community is also probably likely notable for the purposes of Wikipedia. The idea that she's not independent of Buffalo because she improved the city is ludicrous. You may as well say that articles from Illinois newspapers are NPOV in regards to Frank Lloyd Wright. That's silly. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:18, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep. Checking further, I think she might be notable; the problems are with the article, not with her career. The notability is not as an author, but based on her restoration work of major landmark buildings. They are mentioned in the article, but not linked or discussed. I've added at least the links, and I hope others will add some further references to her work on them. What is important about any architect or other creative professional is their creative work , not peripheral books that they may have written. It is absurdd to write an article about them in an encyclopedia without discussing their actual work in some depth. It is equally absurd to discuss the article purely in terms of the technicalities of sourcing, or to make it depend on what is easy to document- but does not give notability . DGG ( talk ) 06:19, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Milutin Dostanić bibliography
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Article created by subject's son shortly after Dostanić passed away. Article PRODded with reason "All academics publish and those publications can be found in multiple databases. There's no reason for WP to repeat this, LinkedIn or ResearchGate are more appropriate for that." Article dePRODded with reason "I see no reason for deleting this article and list of this person's academic publications. All actors act in movies, you have databases (like imdb) regarding their filmographies, yet you can still find their separate article filmograhies on Wikipedia." The situation is not the same, however. While virtually all movies will be notable in itself, only very few academic articles in general, and none in this list in particular, are notable in and of itself. This list has previously been deleted from the author's biography by Drmies. WP is not for posting CVs. Hence: delete. Randykitty (talk) 08:46, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- PS I forgot to mention that the article on Milutin Dostanić is also at AfD. --Randykitty (talk) 14:08, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Xxanthippe (talk) 11:17, 26 May 2019 (UTC).
- Delete. Dostanić would probably not pass ]
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- Delete--impressive piece of work, but unfortunately not for here. Drmies (talk) 13:55, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. This sort of indiscriminate listing is not what Wikipedia is for. We should only keep curated lists of the most significant publications of an academic, when there are adequate published reliable sources to tell us which ones those are, and in most cases they should be short enough that they can be included directly in the subject's biography article instead of overwhelming it. For a more or less complete listing of any mathematician's publications, in many cases with independent reviews of the publications, go to MathSciNet instead. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per the above. XOR'easter (talk) 21:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, issues addressed in comments above, and WP:OVERLAP. Even if Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Milutin Dostanić (2nd nomination) results in "Keep," which looks unlikely, this article is redundant and would be merged. — Satori Son 21:44, 30 May 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. North America1000 07:48, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
H2hos
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This article is sourced to a couple of local news pieces. I can find a couple of other mentions elsewhere but nothing looking like reliable sources. I’m not sure this group is notable. Mccapra (talk) 06:40, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Article was written by User:Ekellyekelly, a member of the group. I don't see the routine local human-interest articles as establishing notability for the short-lived local performing group. Reywas92Talk 07:40, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per above. The coverage of the group never really extended past local interest pieces, and even then was not substantial. Rorshacma (talk) 23:19, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Western Khatlon
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There is no such region. Khatlon Region of Tajikistan is divided into districts. On occasion, some districts can be referred to a group of western districts (and not necessarily the same ones), but this is not a subdivision in any sense. There is no intermediate level division in Tajikistan (as well as in most former Soviet countries) between region and district. Ymblanter (talk) 08:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Eastern Khatlon should also be included here, using the same sources that have merely unofficial directional groupings. Reywas92Talk 19:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 11:55, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Other regions, such as western Khatlon and Gharm, were seen at risk, ...[1] The region is informally split into Western Khatlon (comprising Kurgan-Tube and the Kofarnihon and Vakhsh river valleys) and Eastern Khatlon (Kulyob and the Kyzylsu and Yakhsu river valleys).[2] Western Khatlon Districts: Bokhtar District, Dzhami (Jomi) District, Jilikul District, Khuroson District (Ghozimalik District), Nosiri Khusrav District (Beshkent District), Qabodiyon District, Qumsangir District, Rumi District (Kolkhozobod District), Sarband District, Shahrtuz District, Vakhsh District and Yovon District. (Khatlon_Region#Districts) It is never mentioned in article as a political division or a region with finite boundaries. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- This is not an official division in any way. Anybody can pick up a group of districts and call them western. Someone else will call other group of districts western.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:07, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. It is never mentioned in article as a political division or a region with finite boundaries. These may be commonly used partitions and have more weights to geographical divisions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shevonsilva (talk • contribs)
- No, it is not a commonly used particion. It is a partition used in a book you happen to have access while stamping your microstubs. We had similar discussions before, and I strongly advised you to only write about subjects you know what you are talking about. This is clearly not such a subject.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:14, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. It is never mentioned in article as a political division or a region with finite boundaries. These may be commonly used partitions and have more weights to geographical divisions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shevonsilva (talk • contribs)
- This is not an official division in any way. Anybody can pick up a group of districts and call them western. Someone else will call other group of districts western.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:07, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- ISBN 0-8213-5067-6.
- ^ "Tajikistan:Reinvigorating Growth in the Khatlon Oblast" (PDF). WorldBank. Retrieved 4 February 2019.
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- Sorry, it is a subject we know. I will reply soon. Shevonsilva (talk) 15:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- During Soviet times Khatlon was divided into Kurgan-Tyube (Qurghonteppa) Oblast (Western Khatlon) – with the Kofarnihon and Vakhsh river valleys – and Kulob Oblast (Eastern Khatlon) – with the Kyzylsu and Yakhsu river valleys. (Khatlon Region) If we are going to delete the article, please remove or modify the content of the Khatlon Region to make it more consistent, and, if we want to keep it, please leave it as it is. Anyway, I do not really like to argue with people. best wishes. Shevonsilva (talk) 17:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for cross checking the references with articles and improved my awareness of the articles a bit long ago. 17:29, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- We have ]
- Thanks for the understanding.
- We have ]
- Qurghonteppa Oblast - obsolete Oblast
- Western Khatlon - Current name to refer a region for the old Oblast.
- I don't know re-direction will make the correct meaning as it is not mentioning the current district boundaries of it. Shevonsilva (talk) 20:05, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete But this article itself is not the problem; the problem is that there are hundreds more, being churned out as we all waste time on this one. Asking Shevonsilva politely to be more careful (etc etc) does not work, not least because he has a very weak grasp of English. Should this go to ANI? Imaginatorium (talk) 11:35, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, the user has done the same thing with Southern Islands, Northern Mariana Islands and Northern Islands, Northern Mariana Islands (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern Islands, Northern Mariana Islands), as well as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Region 1, East Timor. Even for the districts in places that do exist, it does not help the reader to have empty articles when the content (or lack thereof) is already in a main article listing the administrative/statistical regions. Reywas92Talk 19:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Even if this is a real thing, the article has absolutely nothing to say. Pages like this infuriatingly waste readers' time. Better to straightforwardly not have a page, then the reader knows we have nothing on it. SpinningSpark 14:49, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Northern districts of Sughd
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There is no such region. Sughd Region of Tajikistan is divided into districts. On occasion, some districts can be referred to a group of northern districts (and not necessarily the same ones), but this is not a subdivision in any sense. Ymblanter (talk) 08:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 12:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep ... and Isfaragi groups in the northern districts of Sughd province (Maschoi Kuhna, Maschoi Nav and Isfara). [1] As shown in map 3.6, the highest number of WASH deprived households are found in Khatlon region and in the northern districts of Sughd. [2] Northern districts of Sughd: Asht District, Ghafurov District, Ghonchi District, Zafarobod District, Istaravshan (Ura-Tyube) District, Isfara District, Konibodom District, Mastchoh District, Spitamen District, Rasulov (Jabbor Rasulov) District and Shahriston District (Sughd_Region#Districts)Shevonsilva (talk) 13:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- This is not an official division. Anybody can pick up a group of districts and call them northern or southern.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:05, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. It is never mentioned in article as a political division or a region with finite boundaries. These may be commonly used partitions and have more weights to geographical divisions. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- No, it is not a commonly used particion. It is a partition used in a book you happen to have access while stamping your microstubs. We had similar discussions before, and I strongly advised you to only write about subjects you know what you are talking about. This is clearly not such a subject.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:13, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. It is never mentioned in article as a political division or a region with finite boundaries. These may be commonly used partitions and have more weights to geographical divisions. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- This is not an official division. Anybody can pick up a group of districts and call them northern or southern.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:05, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- ISBN 9783643903822.
- ^ "Glass Half Full" (PDF). World Bank. Retrieved 26 May 2019.
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- Sorry, it is a subject we know. I will reply soon. Shevonsilva (talk) 15:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- The southern part of the province is the east-west valley of the upper Zarafshan River. North, over the Turkestan Range, is the Ferghana Valley. (Sughd Region) If we are going to delete the article, please remove or modify the content of the Sughd Region to make it more consistent, and, if we want to keep it, please leave it as it is. Anyway, I do not really like to argue with people. best wishes. Shevonsilva (talk) 17:20, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- As usual, your comment makes no sense. What do you think the Sughd Region article needs to be consistent with? It is perfectly coherent. Imaginatorium (talk) 17:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter Thanks for cross checking the references with articles and improved my awareness of the articles a bit long ago. 17:29, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. The existence of a noun phrase somewhere in a book simply is not enough to justify a permastub. Imaginatorium (talk) 16:02, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Completely pointless stub that does not even say what this consists of. It is one short sentence that says (paraphrasing) that Sughd has a northern part. Well, duh, so does anywhere. SpinningSpark 12:53, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Even if this were a defined grouping of districts, there is no reason to have a separate lazy one-sentence article rather than giving such grouping in the main article. Reywas92Talk 17:48, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Southern districts of Sughd
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There is no such region. Sughd Region of Tajikistan is divided into districts. On occasion, some districts can be referred to a group of southern districts (and not necessarily the same ones), but this is not a subdivision in any sense. Ymblanter (talk) 08:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 11:57, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Ayni, Kuhistoni Mastchoh and Panjakent are the southern districts of Sughd and belong to the Zarafshon sub-basin, the other ones – Devashtich (Gonchi) and Shahriston – are more centrally located in the region and belong to Syrdaryo basin.[1] Southern districts of Sughd (Zeravshan Valley): Ayni (Aini) District, Kuhistoni Mastchoh District and Panjakent District ( Sughd_Region#Districts) Shevonsilva (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- This is not an official division. Anybody can pick up a group of districts and call them southern.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. It is never mentioned in article as a political division or a region with finite boundaries. These may be commonly used partitions and have more weights to geographical divisions. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- No, it is not a commonly used particion. It is a partition used in a book you happen to have access while stamping your microstubs. We had similar discussions before, and I strongly advised you to only write about subjects you know what you are talking about. This is clearly not such a subject.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:14, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. It is never mentioned in article as a political division or a region with finite boundaries. These may be commonly used partitions and have more weights to geographical divisions. Shevonsilva (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- This is not an official division. Anybody can pick up a group of districts and call them southern.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Sorry, it is a subject we know. I will reply soon. Shevonsilva (talk) 15:05, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- The southern part of the province is the east-west valley of the upper Zarafshan River. North, over the Turkestan Range, is the Ferghana Valley. (Sughd Region) If we are going to delete the article, please remove or modify the content of the Sughd Region to make it more consistent, and, if we want to keep it, please leave it as it is. Anyway, I do not really like to argue with people. best wishes. Shevonsilva (talk) 17:19, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for cross checking the references with articles and improved my awareness of the articles a bit long ago. 17:29, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. The existence of a noun phrase somewhere in a book simply is not enough to justify a permastub. Imaginatorium (talk) 16:02, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Not an actual area. Reywas92Talk 19:17, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Completely pointless stub that does not even say what this consists of. It is one short sentence that says (paraphrasing) that Sughd has a southern part. Well, duh, so does anywhere. SpinningSpark 12:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. That some combination of words appear in a document somewhere does not make that an actual thing that we can write an article about. Reyk YO! 13:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Based on the discussion it seems like the question is whether meeting
Gustav Gerneth
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- Weak delete- On one hand, I would expect the world's oldest living man to be notable. But the sourcing seems remarkably sparse for that, consisting mostly of the same "he likes butter" and "he has a steep staircase" fluff that every 110+ person gets. I'd recommend merging, but he's covered already in sufficient detail in other articles. What tips me over the edge to recommend delete is that List_of_German_supercentenarians says his age has not been fully confirmed. Reyk YO! 10:14, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Reyk YO! To be clear, the arbiter on Wikipedia of who the worlds oldest living man is is Guinness World Records and they have made no move (as of yet) to name this man as the WOLM. The claims that he is are unfounded conjecture. There is also longstanding precedent that being the "oldest x" is not a valid claim to notability. And yes, he has not been validated by the GRG either. Newshunter12 (talk) 10:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Gerneth is the oldest living man on earth wich makes him noteworthy. The facts in the article are by no means irrelevant or trivial! Metron (talk) 14:53, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Wikipedia uses Guinness World Records to decide who the oldest man and woman on earth are and they have not named Gerneth as either and it is longstanding precedent that being the "oldest x" is not a grant of notability. If steep stairs and butter aren't trivial, then what is? Your keep vote is based on nothing valid. Newshunter12 (talk) 21:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Being the "oldest x" is not a valid claim for notability and the factoids in the article are beyond trivial. --Randykitty (talk) 16:15, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Being the "oldest x" is not a valid claim for notability, but having significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the topic is. The subject does, so the article should be kept. schetm (talk) 16:32, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: that is incorrect. Notability is a prerequisite for a standalone page, but it is not sufficient. As Wp:NOPAGE says: "There are other times when it is better to cover notable topics, that clearly should be included in Wikipedia, as part of a larger page about a broader topic, with more context." If all you can get from your reliable sources are trivial factoids (steep stairs, butter), then obviously you have nothing of encyclopedic interest to write about and including the few interesting facts (birth date and such) into a list may be more appropriate. --Randykitty (talk) 17:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Nothing I said was incorrect. He is unquestionably notable per the GNG, so then NOPAGE does comes into consideration, and I would argue that a standalone page provides needed context. One WP:NOT. Also, no need to make this personal. They're not my reliable sources. schetm (talk) 17:29, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- It was and is incorrect to say that having significant coverage in multiple independent sources is enough for notability and that therefore the article should be kept. And I really was not being personal, "you" and "your sources" is using "you" in the general sense, as in the more ponderous phrasing "If all one can get from ones reliable sources". Sorry for the confusion. The steep stairs and butter are factoids for which the word "trivial" is too good. There's simply nothing of interest to write here. We're an encyclopedia, not Bild. --Randykitty (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- "What policy (or guideline) does (the "factoids") violate or meet, and how?" Just saying "it doesn't belong" just isn't good enough. What part of WP:NOT does the info run afoul of? schetm (talk) 17:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- If the sources said that the subject regularly picks his nose and likes to fart, would you also insist on including that? Or suppose that we have an RS that states that Einstein liked two lumps of sugar in his morning tea, should we include that in his biography? --Randykitty (talk) 18:19, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- To your first question, the answer is no, due to BLP concerns. To the second, if RS said that Einstein's love of two lumps of sugar played a role in his scientific brilliance, then yes, it should be included. Again, what specific policy does the inclusion of the factoids violate? schetm (talk) 18:32, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- How about Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information? And like Einstein's sugar lumos, is there any evidence that the steep stairs and the butter had anything to do with this person's longevity? --Randykitty (talk) 19:01, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Nope. Where the man lives is not indiscriminate information. Now, to the Einstein question, the man says that his diet influences his longevity, and RS has picked up on it. As such, it's analogous to Einstein's brilliance being derived from sugar in tea, and is therefore not indiscriminate. The steep stairs and red brick, however, is, which I why I've removed it. schetm (talk) 19:38, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- How about
- To your first question, the answer is no, due to BLP concerns. To the second, if RS said that Einstein's love of two lumps of sugar played a role in his scientific brilliance, then yes, it should be included. Again, what specific policy does the inclusion of the factoids violate? schetm (talk) 18:32, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- "What policy (or guideline) does (the "factoids") violate or meet, and how?" Just saying "it
- It was and is incorrect to say that having significant coverage in multiple independent sources is enough for notability and that therefore the article should be kept. And I really was not being personal, "you" and "your sources" is using "you" in the general sense, as in the more ponderous phrasing "If all one can get from ones reliable sources". Sorry for the confusion. The steep stairs and butter are factoids for which the word "trivial" is too good. There's simply nothing of interest to write here. We're an encyclopedia, not Bild. --Randykitty (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Nothing I said was incorrect. He is unquestionably notable per the GNG, so then NOPAGE does comes into consideration, and I would argue that a standalone page provides needed context. One
- Comment: that is incorrect. Notability is a prerequisite for a standalone page, but it is not sufficient. As
- Merge to a mini-bio in WP:NOPAGE. The list is a perfect target for this person, as readers can get informed about similar cases there. Parts of the text documenting the "longevity horserace" can then be omitted. — JFG talk 18:28, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
Keep I understand the delete rationale, and until officially declared by Guinness World Records (or equivalent), this article may beWP:TOOSOON. Nonetheless, the German Wiki considers the article notable enough, and I think readers can benefit from an EnWiki entry. I've added some new sources to the article hoping to help. Merge changing my vote to merge based on the Guinness World Records page confirming Kane Tanaka as the current verified oldest living person. Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 11:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- @WP:NOPAGE or similar grounds. When you strip away the fanfluff info that he got married, had kids, worked, and the standard longevity secret question, all that's left is his name, birthdate, age, nationality, and eventually his death date, which all fit snuggly in a list entry, which he already has in six different articles. There's nothing substansive to keep or merge. There are fan websites where people can read about his steep stairs and butter. Newshunter12 (talk) 12:08, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
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- Keep. As for me, this article passes the notability criteria.--Darwinek (talk) 22:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep Meets WP:Basic. 172.56.28.50 (talk) 00:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC) — 172.56.28.50 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.]
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 12:24, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Stuart Macnaughtan
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Non notable Comms/policy wonk. Stench of promo/advocacy Bledwith (talk) 06:01, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete: A man with a job, from which notability is not inherited. The article text and references are merely in-role, with searches finding nothing better than more passing mentions. No ]
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The result was keep. Consensus is clearly against deletion and the keep arguments are reasonable (mainly reliant on
List of fictional games
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Too broad of a list. There are hundreds of fictitious games, and it is constantly growing. Furthermore, what makes these notable? It serves no encyclopedic purpose. And imdb is practically the only source in the whole article. Similar articles have been deleted in the past (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional films (3rd nomination)) JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 04:43, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
DeleteFailsFictional games article, but I'll leave the community to debate the merits of what's left. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 07:09, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]- I would definitely be in favor of that for the exact reasons that you said. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 22:41, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete Here is an assessment of the votes in the previous AfD:
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After skimming the contents, I see that this is a concern — the size and contents of the list lends weight to the WP:SALAT concern of being too broad.
The source cited looks very unreliable. I doubt that this has actual naviagtion value since many of these games aren't even mentioned in the respective articles about the works, or anywhere else.
The delete half of this argument is essentially the same as the nominator's, and this nominator's. As for the keep half, we are not a place for trying things out .
Not a policy-based argument to keep. The final remark is probably false; I haven't looked that closely, but most of these items are the exact opposite.
If we trimmed this, there would be very little content left. |
In conclusion, none of the Keep arguments hold substantial weight. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:00, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete This article fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. It's a complete joke of an article that belongs on some fan website and was created over 14 years ago when standards on Wikipedia were much lower. Newshunter12 (talk) 09:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep Let's examine the nomination. "Too broad" is a silly complaint because WP:LISTN. There are, in fact, entire books about fictional games and here's the result of a quick browse:
- Playing the Universe: Games and Gaming in Science Fiction
- Video Gaming in Science Fiction: A Critical Study
- Games and Play in Modern American Fiction
- The Games of Fiction
- Literary Gaming
- 12 Games from Science Fiction and Fantasy we'd love Real versions of
- Games and Sports in The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction
- Games and War in Early Modern English Literature
- Andrew D. (talk) 09:40, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Of the 151 sources (not over 160 like you said), 130 of is it imdb, which is not considered reliable, 4 are wikis and one is just blank. That only leaves it with 16 actual usable references. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 13:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Well if we just cleared all those and left 16 sources. It would be a "more sources needed" but not "unsourced". Nothing inherently wrong with more sources needed in an article with 16 sources. Those 16 demonstrate it is possible to source the article. -- GreenC 16:36, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Looking at the other sources, they're all just primary sources. Which does nothing to show notability. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:42, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- The sources posted above by Andrew demonstrates topic notability. You may be confusing notability of fictional games the concept (topic of the article), with individual items in the list which generally only need to prove they exist, primary is sufficient though secondaries would be good to if they exist. -- GreenC 17:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Looking at the other sources, they're all just primary sources. Which does nothing to show notability. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:42, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Well if we just cleared all those and left 16 sources. It would be a "more sources needed" but not "unsourced". Nothing inherently wrong with more sources needed in an article with 16 sources. Those 16 demonstrate it is possible to source the article. -- GreenC 16:36, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep This is the only article on Wikipedia about fictional games [redirect]. Concerns about sourcing, renaming, inclusion criteria, cleanup etc.. should be done via talk page discussions. AfD asks "is this topic notable", should we have any article about fictional games? The Independent, The Hindu, "Digital Games as Tools for Scholarly Research" (pg. 398). The concept of fictional games is real and often discussed. -- GreenC 16:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep - per policy, we have RS attesting to the reliability of thr topic, and we have notable examples of the topic, so there are no valid grounds for deletion. LISTCRUFT is not a deletion criterion, and the answer to that would be GOFIXIT. I might personally prefer a sourced article on the topic rather than a list, but deletion would be a move in the wrong direction. Newimpartial (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, meets reference ie. included in one of the books listed above/is a key plot point in a notable work, be included. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:34, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep. I'm surprised it's necessary to make an extended argument: these are all key games in notable fictions. There is another way to handle them, which is to maker individual articles for the individual games. I would probably support this, but the usual practice had not o split out such fictional elements. This list is a good way of dealing with what some consider items with some degree of ntoability, but less than that of a full article. It is explicitly one of the alternatives to deletion listed in WP:N, and one of its more sensible provisions. DGG ( talk ) 04:07, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - While I agree with the concept of LISTCRUFT, this article needed pruning, which I see an editor has done (although pruning might be too mild a term to use for what was done), rather than deletion. Seems to pass ]
- Keep - but restore some of the arbitrary slash and burn with a sprinkle of RS fertilizer, not that is required per WP:LISTN. Perhaps later splitting up the list in a few lists would help, with a first divide between "games" (mental) and "sports" (physical). Another might be commercial parodies (or is it parody commercials?) for sketch/talk shows (e.g. SNL, Kimmel,…) where it isn't integrated into a larger work. Not all of the books listed above work here, Literary Gaming is more about literature in games, than games in literature. In spite of that, I'm sure many other sources can be found. StrayBolt (talk) 08:05, 28 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep Perfectly valid list article, as others have already stated is clearly passes WP:LISTN. Dream Focus 12:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 06:48, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Shivajith Padmanabhan
Could not fulfill
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- Delete. Fails WP:TOOSOON at best. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete Fails talk) 01:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep The stage name used was Shivajith Nambiar and then recently changed to Shivajith Padmanabhan, which is the reason why there is a lack of coverage. The old name has a lot of coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenbangalore (talk • contribs) 02:39, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep He was one of the lead in movie 'Veeram' by Jayaraj(Known for getting Oscar nomination for its title music) and then did a notifiable character in Ranam by Nirmal Sahadev. In his upcoming movie 'Kalki', he is playing the lead villain role. He is quite popular in Malayalm film industry with his old name 'Shivajith Nambiar. He changed his name during a public event in Kerala - https://malayalam.oneindia.com/news/kerala/veeram-actor-sivajith-removed-surname-from-his-name-166385.html Wowrahulraghav123 (talk) 07:06, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep has significant coverage under his former name and one of his film roles is a major leading role Atlantic306 (talk) 20:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ST47 (talk) 04:33, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Indian Camp Creek Park
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MergeI do not know which one feature and directory to which you refer. I may be able to find more sources on the history of the cemetery and other aspects of the park, though that will take a few days and may not contribute enough to help the article remain. I suggest a merge with Foristell, Missouri or St. Charles County, Missouri articles.talk)
- Keep Easily passes ]
- Reedy Press is a vanity press. So besides just being a brief mention in a guidebook (which doesn't speak to notability), it's not a reliable source either. Sources that verify existence are not sufficient to show notability. The presumption of notability afforded state and national parks does not extend to local and county parks. I could support a partial merge to the county as an ATD. John from Idegon (talk) 05:09, 25 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Reedy Press is a vanity press. So besides just being a brief mention in a guidebook (which doesn't speak to notability), it's not a reliable source either. Sources that verify existence are not sufficient to show notability. The presumption of notability afforded state and national parks does not extend to local and county parks. I could support a partial merge to the county as an
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- Keep I have added more sources since deletion was proposed.talk) 15:32, 24 May 2019 (UTC)]
- All of the sources you've added are mentions in guidebooks. They lack details enough to be considered as proof of notability. Additionally, only one is from outside metro St. Louis, and that is a guide to the park's trail system, not the park as a whole. Still failing WP:ORGDEPTH. DiamondRemley39, you are only allowed one !vote, so please strike one. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 05:16, 25 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Done--talk) 15:08, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Done--
- All of the sources you've added are mentions in guidebooks. They lack details enough to be considered as proof of notability. Additionally, only one is from outside metro St. Louis, and that is a guide to the park's trail system, not the park as a whole. Still failing
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- Keep or merge to ]
- There are at least five more books I can examine for relevant information, but if only books considered reliable are those published by traditional presses, while local history focused vanity presses such as Reedy Press and otherwise published histories are not (is this always the case, despite content and sources in such books?); and if books that focus on one element of the park such as its trails or its homestead do not help towards notability, then the other books to examine may or may not help. Merging with talk) 15:08, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- There are at least five more books I can examine for relevant information, but if only books considered reliable are those published by traditional presses, while local history focused vanity presses such as Reedy Press and otherwise published histories are not (is this always the case, despite content and sources in such books?); and if books that focus on one element of the park such as its trails or its homestead do not help towards notability, then the other books to examine may or may not help. Merging with
- Keep. This is a park almost 1 square mile in size (600 acres vs. 1 sq mile being 640 acres), the largest in its area. And there are sources in the article, and it is covered in multiple guidebooks, at least. I don't buy the dismissal of guidebooks as sources. See wp:NOTTRAVEL) about how a Wikipedia article should not merely consist of telephone numbers and directions to the attraction and opening hours (some of the stuff which a guidebook might cover), but that is not an issue with this article at all. --Doncram (talk) 22:05, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- And about a couple sources that show up in Google Books search:
- Author Steve Henry's coverage in "60 hikes within 60 miles St. Louis" book (Google book view allows me to see part but not all of coverage above Indian Camp Creek Park mentions regular equestrian rides run by the county, and describes a great hike, and is substantial, independent coverage, and there is no way that should be dismissed.
- the guidebook by Vicki Berger Irwin and Justine Riggs, "Finally, A Locally Produced Guidebook to St. Charles, by and for Locals", is also independent and reliable in what it covers. It provides substantial coverage, including about the unique feature of the park having an observation tower in a silo that visitors can climb, and a historic homestead, and a historic cemetery (the Cannon Family Cemetery), as well as listing features such as the 18 hole disc golf course and much more. There is no reason to dismiss this source.
- I have not checked the other sources in the article and/or Google Books but expect there are more valid sources that are guidebooks or other valid sources. --Doncram (talk) 22:19, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- And about a couple sources that show up in Google Books search:
- Also, @DiamondRemley39:, your current "!vote" (i.e. "not-vote", because an AFD is not a majority-vote process) shows as "Merge", and I urge you to change it back to "Keep" explicitly. --Doncram (talk) 22:07, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Done. Thank you for looking into the sources and for all your contributions to the discussion, @talk) 14:19, 28 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Done. Thank you for looking into the sources and for all your contributions to the discussion, @
- Comment. "Keep" is better than "Merge" because there is too much material in article already and/or in available sources to comfortably merge to any potential target selected. For example there could be more development about the historic site info (the homestead and the cemetery and maybe the silo), which could include photos and discussion of the families/individuals involved, which would not obviously be appropriate for an article about the Indian Camp Creek alone. --Doncram (talk) 22:23, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ST47 (talk) 04:33, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Mark Maxey
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Non-notable filmmaker, pushed by COI editor – Broccoli & Coffee (Oh hai) 01:22, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. The COI is pretty obvious, both on this. page and on the film WP:BASIC.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:19, 13 May 2019 (UTC)]
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- WP:HEY- article was sourced during discussion. Argument for keeping boils down to :
- Up to Snuff - his sole documentary film.
- minor coverage of Maxey's role as producer of Up to Snuff in articles about the film
- Emmy Awardin 2015 for excellence in television production for "American Veterans Center Honors."
- a profile in his hometownn newspaper: Valverde, Rochelle (July 6, 2015). "Lawrence native wins Emmy for excellence in TV production". Lawrence Journal-World. [[WP:E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:39, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - I count at least 5 WP:RS. Any COI authors doing COI stuff and not meeting Wikipedia COI policies ought to be dealt as per policy; but as far as the article is concerned, it looks good. XavierItzm (talk) 14:24, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment - It's a bit of a stretch to say he won an Emmy. His show won a National Capital Chesapeake Bay Emmy, which is for television productions in the Maryland/Virginia/D.C. area. This is officially part of the Emmys, but to say he won an Emmy is misleading. – Broccoli & Coffee (Oh hai) 21:55, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment An Emmy is exactly that...an Emmy. "Mark Maxey is an Emmy award-winning Executive Producer." There is nothing misleading about that statement. ☎) 23:35, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- My comment was more in response to
Major award makes the subject a major player
. A NCCB Emmy is NOT a major award, and so therefore does not automatically prove that the subject is notable. I should have made that more clear initially. – Broccoli & Coffee (Oh hai) 23:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- My comment was more in response to
- Comment An Emmy is exactly that...an Emmy. "Mark Maxey is an Emmy award-winning Executive Producer." There is nothing misleading about that statement.
- Keep having been inclined to delete i've changed opinion due to the improvement of the article with the addition of multiple reliable sources, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 21:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ST47 (talk) 04:32, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Goddess movement
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This page has numerous identified issues that have gone unresolved for over half a decade. Its sources are closely connected to the subject, it uncritically uses religious texts without referring to secondary sources for analysis, and it does not discern between fact and fiction. It also may be in violation of the WP:NPOV rule, as the lead states that the Goddess movement "has no centralized tenets of belief". If that is indeed the case, then there cannot be an "evolving consensus" or "commonly held tenets and concepts" from a neutral standpoint without some reference to data or a reliable source that indicate those trends, of which there is currently none. Panicles3 (talk) 03:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- The article as is is a complete mess, and as such I would not oppose a delete vote per WP:TNT, but it seems to clear notability guidelines. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
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- I would support a delete vote per WP:TNT, given that it "suggests articles should be deleted even if the topic is notable if the content is not repairable", and this article is clearly riddled with issues to the point where trying to salvage it may be harder than simply starting over. Panicles3 (talk) 15:16, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep. I'm not seeing this as so far gone it is a WP:TNT case. On a quick read through, I'm certainly not seeing a widespread confusion "between fact and fiction". That's not to say there isn't any, but if there is it can be tagged/removed and we will still be left with a decent article. I don't see a major issue with the sourcing either. In fact, I don't know what the nom means by "uncritically uses religious texts". If by this is meant the sources are written by adherents, then that is not the same thing at all. We don't reject sources on Christianity because they are written by Christians, but we do reject the Bible as a RS except for claims about what the Bible says. I suspect that the major reason the banner templates have stayed on the article so long is that they are not explicit in identifying the problematic texts, many of which may have been fixed years ago. This is a common problem with such templates, they are used to tag an article that is 90% good when inline tags on the specific problem items should have been used. I reject utterly the existence of these templates as a rationale for deletion. SpinningSpark 19:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. WP:BEFORE in google books. If you think the present article is atrocious - stub it down to a paragraph or two. I'm not entirely convinced it is atrocious - articles on religions, legends, TV series, anime, comics, etc. often, though this is not advisable, contain some fancruft - after all describing the basic tenants of the mythology are part of such an article - it is a tad difficult to describe Christianity without describing the narrative of Christ. Icewhiz (talk) 14:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Whatever the problems with the article, the movement is very clearly notable -- multiple books have been published on the subject every decade since the 1970s or 1980s. The movement is somewhat diffuse, and not at all centrally organized, so statements about it have to accommodate various variations in beliefs and practices... AnonMoos (talk) 15:45, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Subject is notable and has plenty of RS references (such as The BBC, this and this as well as academic sources, but does need to be rewritten to be better. LovelyLillith (talk) 17:15, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. A possible merge or move elsewhere can be discussed on the article talk page. Randykitty (talk) 10:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Rockwood Village, Mississauga
This is a run-of-the-mill subdivision. It is not listed among the neighbourhoods of Mississauga by the city's own definition - see this for a list of neighbourhoods recognized by the city. Note that all references are about historical areas in Mississauga unrelated to this subdivision. Mindmatrix 16:05, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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My feeling is that Wikipedia should list the information as it isn’t available anywhere else. Say for example someone is looking to purchase a home in this neighborhood. Where else are they going to find any history or information except on Wikipedia. The Real Estate folks use “Rathwood”, but then say desirable Rockwood Village. I do genealogy research, and someone may be interested that I voted in a Rockwood polling station 100 years from now.
I’m interested in local history, just as someone in Russia or China may be interested in their local history.
I just had a look at the City of Mississauga document. One of the 22 “Character Neighbourhoods” is Rathwood. The map in section 16.21 for “Rathwood” includes Rockwood Village (the section of Rathwood east of Dixie). I didn’t know that Rockwood Village is a part of Rathwood. There isn’t an article on Rathwood on Wikipedia. Maybe you can create a Rathwood article and include the “Rockwood Village” information there. I don’t think the area west of Dixie has a name, other that Rathwood. There is a Rockwood Village Homeowners Association http://www.rockwoodvillage.ca/ but I can’t find a Rathwood Homeowners Association.
I don’t have any vested interest in Rockwood except that I live in this “run-of-the-mill” neighborhood. Do what you want. I haven’t contributed to Wikipedia in some time as I seem to run afoul of Wikipedia’s administrators.Bzaoral , talk 18:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Merge with Toronto township. The thought of Wikipedia listing information that isn't available anywhere else, while understandable, runs directly against the ]
- Keep per GEOLAND. Most of this page is sourced, and where not, is clearly sourceable. The residents association section does not have a citation, but the information could be cited to their own website, which also contains some historical information. SpinningSpark 22:47, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. An article about self-published website about itself is not a reliable or notability-supporting source, either — it's a directly affiliated organization, not an independent or notability-assisting media outlet. And the references present in the article aren't helping either: it's referenced to more primary sources, not any evidence of notability-boosting reliable source coverage. Even the three "Kathleen A. Hicks" citations are to documents published by the Mississauga Public Library, not to real media, and are not about Rockwood Village either, but other parts of Mississauga. And no, it isn't our job to facilitate the publication or retention of information unpublished or unavailable anywhere else, either: we're an encyclopedia, not a free web host, so our job is not to help undercovered topics create media visibility they don't already have. Bearcat (talk) 20:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)]
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- Keep, although perhaps with a "move" also. Sounds like move to "Rathwood, Mississauga" (currently a redlink) and further development fixes the situation. Rathwood is an official neighborhood, and can cover Rockwood Village within it. "Rathwood NHD" has or is forecasted to have populations of 28,900; 29,300; 29,800 in various years, per this source. It is a populated place, and there are lots more sources available esp. when you expand to searching about Rathwood, Mississauga. Note that Mississauga#Neighbourhoods/areas contains a list of neighborhoods including Rathwood, many of which have bluelink linked articles.
- Further, people, we don't benefit from bashing a positive contributing editor like Bzaoral. Not friendly or helpful to destroy their work, and they have legitimate point that this deserves coverage, whether or not they have perfectly fit it into Wikipedia's arbitrary structures/guidelines/policies. Dont bite newbies (not sure if they are newbie or not), don't be a jerk, anyhow. And we are obligated to search for ]
- Merge/Delete The larger official neighborhood it's in may be notable (should there be enough content to split from Mississauga), but the sources don't establish notability for a housing development with a homeowner's association; they're mainly about the area generally without substantive coverage of the subdivision. Reywas92Talk 20:33, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ST47 (talk) 04:25, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Bangladesh–Papua New Guinea relations
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Tagged for notability for two years. Relations are the same as Bangladesh has with most countries: no resident ambassadors, no state visits, no bilateral agreements, and negligible economic ties. The Atlas of Economic Complexity shows 2015 bilateral exports from Bangladesh at $1.33M (0.004% of total), and from Papua New Guinea at $5.58M (0.06% of total).[34][35] There are 500 Bangladeshis working in Papua New Guinea, but that is insignificant compared to the 30,000 Filipinos, 200,000 Indians, and 1 million Chinese workers there.[36]
Five of the cited sources are versions of government press releases issued upon one or another non-resident ambassador presenting his credentials. The sixth is a briefing after the Papua New Guinea labour minister met his Bangladeshi counterpart (the highest ever level of contact I could find). No evidence was found that anything came of the meeting. Insufficient coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources, so fails
Possibly merge to Foreign relations of Bangladesh and Foreign relations of Papua New Guinea (neither of which currently bother mentioning the other), although I don't see anything more than ordinary diplomatic sweet talk here. Worldbruce (talk) 02:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete in the absence of sources that mark this as notable and not constituting ]
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The result was delete. ST47 (talk) 04:24, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
MMA Pro Fighter
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While there is some coverage of the game here [37], that is the only thing I was able to find from significant coverage in reliable secondary sources (from
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'Delete, I can't find much on it. Seems like just another app game among many. Not notable as far as I can tell. Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:06, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. I was able to add an Italian-language reference. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Just great. Not only the unreliable references in Ko Key Technologies were restored (a blog with no staff writing both of the cited articles), so was added an extra unreliable italian blog (which is admitted on https://fantagiochi.it/info-fantagiochi). Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:47, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Also Inside Social Games is unreliable as well as another gaming blog, even the first user comments are outright calling it so [38] Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:50, 26 May 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was keep. ST47 (talk) 00:31, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Chicken Girls
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The sources in this article are not enough to establish notability, and I am not seeing enough coverage of this web series to warrant an article. Andise1 (talk) 17:14, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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- I'm inclined to say Keep: the article contains sources from Variety, The Hollywood Reporter and Deadline Hollywood – if that's not enough to make a web series/TV series be considered "notable", I'm not sure what is. Bottom line: With that sourcing, this looks to meet the prerequisites of WP:TVSHOW. Could the article use more sourcing like this? Sure. But what's it's got, and the fact it's run 4 seasons, and led to two(?) follow-up movies seems to point towards it being notable... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:54, 29 May 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep. This series has attracted very considerable press attention in hundreds of news sources. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:09, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Videos in this series get many millions of views - this example has almost 13 million views. Somambulant1 (talk) 04:19, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete.
]Total Eclipse (web series)
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The sources in this article are few, and I am not seeing enough coverage of this web series to warrant an article. Andise1 (talk) 17:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:26, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Marketing performance measurement
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- Keep A quick WP:NEO. Hence, keep. --]
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20:46, 28 May 2019 (UTC) - Delete or very selectively merge if there's a suitable target. Reviewing the sources, links above, and talk page comments, while the business and marketing community naturally has procedures for the best ways analyze how the effectiveness of marketing, I don't see this precise concept or this particular phrase as notable or definitive. The line in the lead "Measurement management is based on six success factors: 1) alignment, 2) accountability, 3) analytics, 4) automation, 5) alliances, and 6) assessment" that introduces the sections suggests that this is an established process, but it's actually just how one consulting group recommends looking at it. Each of these sections synthesizes how various marketing services companies define these routine terms for clients, but this is a buzzphrase not something that needs its own article. Reywas92Talk 20:28, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
- I think we will have to agree to disagree. I think the sources I mentioned are precisely on topic and are fine secondary sources. --
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- I think we will have to agree to disagree. I think the sources I mentioned are precisely on topic and are fine secondary sources. --
- Delete Most of the article's references don't even mention this term. Reads like a white paper or a sales pitch. ST47 (talk) 04:22, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:45, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
International relations in Bangladesh
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This is not the international relations of Bangladesh, which are covered in Foreign relations of Bangladesh. A more accurate title for this text might be "International relations degree programs in Bangladesh".
Wikipedia is
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- Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 05:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, ]
- Delete per nom. The page started out as promotion for Jahangirnagar University. The University of Dhaka was later added to the article with about the only truly encyclopaedic claim on the page: that they were the first such department in South Asia. I only have the source in snippet view, but it does not seem to verify this claim, only that the department was established 1947-48. In any case, this is better covered in the university's own article. SpinningSpark 18:37, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:45, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Vaibhav Gehlot
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- Delete. People do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates in elections they did not win, but this makes no claim that he has any preexisting notability for other reasons besides the candidacy and shows no evidence of the unusual depth, range and volume of coverage it would take to make his candidacy more special than everybody else's candidacies. Bearcat (talk) 13:19, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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