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The result was Delete. — CactusWriter (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Yonetarō Murata
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Boilerplate rationale adapted from my previous AfDs of similar photographer articles (such as Keizaburō Saeki), which itself was largely borrowed from Cckerberos at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hideki Kasai. Keizaburō Saeki, Hideki Kasai, and this currently-nominated article are all identical bot-created articles. I have nominated several others for deletion, but have improved and de-orphaned quite a few more when sources have been available.
To quote Cckerberos: "This article is a generic stub, generated by a bot in 2007. It makes no specific claim to notability; it appears that similar stubs were created for every photographer listed in 328 Outstanding Japanese Photographers, all with the format "Name (years) is a renowned Japanese photographer" (compare the nominated article with
In addition to Cckerberos's excellent commentary, I'll note that I've done as thorough a
I have also checked his Japanese name, but I didn't find anything of substance. The Japanese Wikipedia has no article about him, so there are no sources to be borrowed from it. I searched his Japanese name there and found nothing.
In the absence of reliable sources, we cannot verify that this person is notable, so the article, like many of the previous bot-generated photographers before it, should be deleted.
Courtesy ping to Hoary, who is knowledgeable on the topic of Japanese photographers, and whose commentary on these AfDs is invaluable to me, especially when it causes me to alter my opinion. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete: The "328" book says almost nothing about him. (The page devoted to him is mostly blank.) It's unlikely that much will have been discovered about him in the two decades since the book was compiled. -- Hoary (talk) 02:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I trust Hoary's assessment. If he died during the war, his oeuvre would presumably be in the public domain and we could fill an article up with sourced commentary on the photos (similarly to what I've been doing with, say, Omina no Chichihaha), but if we haven't been able to do that until now then we probably will never do it. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete maybe he'll be back one day when someone digitizes some sources, but for ow there is nothing to be found online.]
- Delete The article isn't backed up with a notable source. Barca (talk) 22:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Not fulfill wikipedia notability criteria. Zinzoo01 (talk) 09:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)— Zinzoo01 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete - The article does not pass notability. - MA Javadi (talk) 20:27, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete the article because it's not notable itself.Forest90 (talk) 17:19, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. North America1000 02:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Ijaaz Ebrahim
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Roles aren't really major and there is virtually no independent coverage after an analysis of the sources existing in the article and an independent search (see below)
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/malayalam/movies/news/i-was-initially-scared-to-stand-in-front-of-harisree-ashokan-chettan-ijaaz-ebrahim/articleshow/68167531.cms | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.ibtimes.co.in/online-movie-promoter-actor-ijaaz-ebrahims-journey-also-cinematic-798275 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.fridaymatinee.in/dream-comes-true-for-ijaaz-ebrahim-thanks-to-his-passion-and-hardwork/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/mollywood/160519/an-international-debut.html | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.cinekerala.in/an-international-local-story-movie.html | ![]() |
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✘ No |
http://news24hours.in/2019/04/12/interview-with-actor-ijaaz-ebrahim/ | ![]() |
? I have doubts about the reliability of this site and it doesn't identify the actual author just "editorial board" like a blog post | ![]() |
✘ No |
https://nettv4u.com/celebrity/malayalam/movie-actor/ijaaz-ebrahim | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://article.wn.com/view/2019/02/26/I_was_initially_scared_to_stand_in_front_of_Harisree_Ashokan/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
http://takeone.in/ijaaz-ebrahims-dreams-are-coming-true/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://m.dailyhunt.in/news/india/malayalam/press+live-epaper-preslive/sinima+enna+svapnathilekk+pichavechathine+kurich+ijas+ibrahim+manas+thurakkunnu-newsid-119267458?s=a&ss=wsp | ![]() |
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https://article.wn.com/view/2019/05/25/From_online_movie_promoter_to_actor_Ijaaz_Ebrahims_journey_i/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
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- Delete After analyzing and searching for a bit, I came to a conclusion that it's either too soon or not a notable actor. Fails ]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Chilling (talk) 23:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Well documented nomination showing subject fails ]
- Delete a non-notable actor. We actually have lots of articles on such people that need to be removed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| squeal _ 02:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Aldo Ghiozzi
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Article on a former, unsuccessful write-in candidate for mayor of
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- Keep if more sources can be found, otherwise move to draft so that it can be worked on. BOZ (talk) 23:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- In principle I have no issue with Draftiying articles, but oppose draftiying BLPs except in rare circumstances. Our obligations to the privacy of non-notable individuals preclude maintaining pages on them on Wikipedia, even if they are in non-searchable namespaces. Chetsford (talk) 02:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable local politician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:30, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I have failed to find any other sources except for East Bay Times one that is Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:48, 29 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete because The article does not pass notability.Forest90 (talk) 17:22, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was Keep. — CactusWriter (talk) 17:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Flag of Bornholm
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Reason Unsourced. Cannot find any indication of notability from reliable sources. Garuda28 (talk) 22:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep - This article describes a number of sources being available in Danish about the flag and its creator, including two pieces in the Bornholms Tidende news paper and coverage in a history book. Passes ]
- Keep per the existence of other Nordic-cross flags and sources given by FOARP. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep in some way. Sources that FOARP has found make this not be viable for deletion here. Passes Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep per sources given by FOARP. TSventon (talk) 11:05, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep the article because it pass ]
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| converse _ 02:12, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
National Democratic Party (Italy)
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Completely unknown party, I have not found a single source on it. The page does not indicate the name of any leader, nor the party's website. If this party actually existed, however it was irrelevant and therefore not encyclopedic.
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- Delete. Appears to have vanished without a trace. Searches for ‘Partito Nazional Democratico’ throw up articles about Germany, with the single exception of s brief posting in an Italian chat forum in that references this Wikipedia article and invites people to join. Mccapra (talk) 05:59, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Per nom, No source, Not notable, National Democratic Party (Italy) is not represented in the Italian Parliament, the European Parliament, nor in any regional or provincial assemblies. --SalmanZ (talk) 20:58, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. North America1000 01:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Kailash Chandra Mishra
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Article is blatantly promotional/"about me"-like (and judging from the talk page, has been so for a very long time), it's a list of the things he's done but does nothing to establish notability. No inline sources, and only one external link is even third-party coverage of the subject (the rest are by him or lists of his work). Didn't find any reliable sources on my own to establish notability.
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- Delete Inadequate sourcing. Reads like PROMO. If someone manages to establish notability, please feel free to ping me to reconsider.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:06, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Looks very promotional, something that is against what Wikipedia is per Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:09, 29 July 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. North America1000 01:45, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
CRN Games
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Article on a New York-based commercial company has been completely unsourced for preceding eight years, with an unresolved tag on it for the same period of time. A basic BEFORE (newspapers.com, JSTOR, Google News, Google Books) does not locate any
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- Delete most results are directory-ish or directly affiliated with the company. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 03:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I can't find anything which might come close to satisfying ]
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| yak _ 02:11, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
GBee
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Article is sourced almost entirely to company's own pages and social media accounts. One reputable source, on DAWN, doesn't actually mention the company at all. A standard BEFORE (newspapers.com, Google News, Google Books, JSTOR) is somewhat frustrated by the common name of the company but fails to find anything redemptive. Fails GNG. Chetsford (talk) 21:28, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete -- fails to pass WP:GNG. A review of the current references and an online search did not find significant coverage by independent reliable sources. — CactusWriter (talk) 18:32, 29 July 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| confer _ 02:11, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Semichem
Non notable retailer, Haven't found any evidence of any notability, Fails NCORP & GNG –Davey2010Talk 20:39, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete for lack of significant coverage. Although there are some sources (BBC, for example), most are of local newspaper variety [7], or are mere mentions in articles about the parent company. Redirect the page to the parent company Scotmid. — CactusWriter (talk) 18:23, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| prattle _ 02:11, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Cedric Aubry
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There's no SNG for volleyball, so we have to rely on
However, the OP of that post does mention some newspaper names, which I checked: Østlandets Blad basically had local fluff pieces, nothing in-depth and nothing that indicates he had a professional career - it's all junior-level stuff. Nothing found at Stavanger Aftenblad. Akershus Amtstidende is another junior-league article. Bien Public didn't have anything.
Article was kept by no consensus last time due to weak keeps; clearly the subject has not increased his extremely minimal notability in the last decade, so this article should be deleted. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete a non-notable volley ball player.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Lacks significant independent coverage and fails ]
- Delete- the article is not notable.Forest90 (talk) 17:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| communicate _ 02:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Gary Holian
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BLP is sourced to a non-RS reference that simply credits his name as an author on a book BLP wrote. A basic BEFORE (newspapers.com, Google Books, Google News, newspapers.com) fails to find further references. Article fails GNG. Chetsford (talk) 20:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep if more sources can be found, otherwise move to draft so that it can be worked on. BOZ (talk) 20:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- In principle, I have no issue with Draftifying articles where there is a possibility of improvement, however, oppose draftifying any BLPs due to our policy "that human dignity and personal privacy be taken into account, especially in articles of ephemeral or marginal interest"; non-notable persons should be protected from having their life indexed on WP, even if in a non-searchable namespace. Chetsford (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable WP:BLP. Can't find anything substantial at all in reliable sources on him. SportingFlyer T·C 05:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep, per BOZ. Holian is an established author, with more credits to his name than several other writers.--Robbstrd (talk) 18:07, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, verbosity is not one of the criteria of WP:NAUTHOR under which authors achieve inherent notability. Chetsford (talk) 18:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
- However, authoring multiple Notable books is a criterion for NAUTHOR, and the subject of this article has done so. Newimpartial (talk) 01:40, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- No, it's not. Chetsford (talk) 01:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- NAUTHOR 4(c) "The person's work has...received significant critical attention". NBOOK 1. "The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include ... reviews." So an author of at least two notable books meets NAUTHOR by definition. I mean, I suppose there may he notable books that haven't received two or more reviews, based on some of the other criteria, but I doubt that many exist and any way, the subject of this article wrote books that satisfy the review criterion and therefore meets AUTHOR 4(c).Newimpartial (talk) 01:47, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- No, New York Review of Books or Le Nouveau Magazine Littéraire or similar publications can be demonstrated, I'll be more than happy to withdraw the nomination. Chetsford (talk) 02:05, 24 July 2019 (UTC)]
- And ]
- And we have Notable/multiply reviewed books here, a.k.a. "significant critical attention". As usual, Chetsford is trying to conjure up a deletionist bar contra policy, but I have trouble understsnding your !vote, SportingFlyer, given what you say here about AUTHOR. Newimpartial (talk) 11:59, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Again, if one believes there are significant reviews in RS, one needs to provide evidence of those reviews. Per WP:NEXIST, "merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive". Chetsford (talk) 12:21, 24 July 2019 (UTC)]
- I've done a fairly extensive BEFORE search and didn't find anything that would get him over the WP:AUTHOR line. All the coverage I found was from blogs or non-reliable sources, so even though I don't expect the New Yorker to have reviewed him, there's also not enough reliable secondary sources that would get him over the notability line, especially given he's a possible BLP. SportingFlyer T·C 19:42, 24 July 2019 (UTC)]
- I've done a fairly extensive BEFORE search and didn't find anything that would get him over the
- Again, if one believes there are significant reviews in RS, one needs to provide evidence of those reviews. Per
- No,
- Unfortunately, verbosity is not one of the criteria of
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- Delete. I don't see the slightest sign he qualifies under WP:GNG generally, nor has anyone seen fit to provide evidence otherwise. "Hope" is not a substitute for ACTUAL reliable sources. --Calton | Talk 14:49, 26 July 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| confabulate _ 02:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
2019 Liberal Democrats deputy leadership election
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Completely hypothetical event that has not been announced, and definitely not certain to take place in 2019, as it might not be called. --TedEdwards 19:23, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete Also, not convinced this is significant enough for an article. If it happens, it could be added to an aftermath section of 2019 Liberal Democrats leadership election. Number 57 20:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete as a clear ]
- Delete per nom. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 05:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Neutral per WP:RAPID. We have articles on each of the deputy leadership elections in the lib dems (at least all of the recent ones in the last two decade). One is expected to take place - in 2019 (the timetable for these is rather swift - and many of the previous ones occurred when the deputy was appointed to something else and didn't want to hold on to the party post). I can't quite find a source discussing this (in the sea of sources on the leadership election results - in which the deputy leader Jo Swinson became leader) - however I'm fairly sure that even at this early stage there are sources, and that the election itself will take place in the near future. If we delete this - we'll only end up re-creating it in less than a week. I'm at a neutral as the current article is ORish (need at least one source discussing this)Icewhiz (talk) 09:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
- @Icewhiz: Why are you fairly sure that there are sources, if you can't find any? --TedEdwards 17:28, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- As there will be deputy elections in very short order - and at the moment search results are masked out by Boris and the deputy Lib Dem being elected to ldeader.Icewhiz (talk) 17:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- If there was going to be news anywhere it would be on the Lib Dem's website, but if there it's hidden so well that they've not put it on their "latest news" page nor can google find it. Thryduulf (talk) 13:13, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- As there will be deputy elections in very short order - and at the moment search results are masked out by Boris and the deputy Lib Dem being elected to ldeader.Icewhiz (talk) 17:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Icewhiz: Why are you fairly sure that there are sources, if you can't find any? --TedEdwards 17:28, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. while there is an article, it could be added to an aftermath section of 2019 Liberal Democrats leadership election --SalmanZ (talk) 20:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete for now - As far as I can see at the moment there is no guarantee it will take place - the position went unfilled from 2015-2017 and the Lib Dem parliamentary party is only slightly larger now than it was then. Equally, given the current parliamentary arithmetic, there is a chance that when parliament meets after the recess a general election could be called. In this case it is more likely that any ballot would happen after that date, possibly as late as early 2020, so I think this an event not certain to occur. If and when a ballot is announced then the issue can be looked at again. Dunarc (talk) 20:43, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| prattle _ 02:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Samrat Mihir Bhoj Evam Unka Yug
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This one was nominated by me and power~enwiki at the same time. --MrClog (talk) 18:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Notability (as well as article quality). References are blogs or Hindi articles that can't be machine translated. ISBN not found in Google/Amazon/Worldcat - unsure about publisher as a result.
- Delete - Wasn't able to find any sources to meet GNG/NBOOK. Only not independent or blogs, etc. [8][9] MrClog (talk) 18:39, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Book's review is published in Newspaper Rajasthan Patrika on 14th April 2019 throughout the Nation(Published in Rajasthan Patrika of All states of India).[1] and It is first book written on Samrat Mihir Bhoj and published in 2015. It's prequel was selected by Rajasthan Government library.[2] Book is also notable by National leaders and Educationalists of India.[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.240.110.114 (talk) 10:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- This Article is very important with respect to indian history litrature because it is first book written on indian king mihir bhoj in year 2015. The refrence of article is book review published in newspaper rajasthan patrika all states editions on 14th april 2019.[4] I found this Book is also available on Amazon. There are only one refrence on the article on Mihira Bhoja because very few literature available on mihir bhoj online. The article Samrat Mihir Bhoj Evam Unka Yug is very important and shouldn't be considered for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tapanvnahar (talk • contribs) 04:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, that review seems to be the only reliable source. The book must be covered in multiple reliable sources. --MrClog (talk) 06:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- It should be noted that very few content is available on the theme of book and The topic is important for wikipedia to provide readers information about first book on that theme and book also contains a reliable source and reviews by educationalist. It shouldn't be deleted at this moment. ISBN no. is offline registered and alloted so it is not showing on online platform. Very soon ISBN no. will be also confirmed and put in the refrence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tapanvnahar (talk • contribs) 09:33, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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- There is few content available about the theme of book not book. There is sufficient references allotted about article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tapanvnahar (talk • contribs) 09:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- But you have only been able to identify one small review in a reliable source, that doesn't seem sufficient. --MrClog (talk) 09:45, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Some time should be given. [5][6][7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tapanvnahar (talk • contribs) 09:54, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Sure, the sources you cite in your comment have already been mentioned but aren't ]
- Comment are there any English sources (or Hindi sources that are not screen-shots of text)? While they're not necessary, it would make this a lot easier for any non-Hindi speaking editors. Furthermore, it would make it easier to track down the ISBN for this book. If the ISBN has not been entered into databases, it may be too soon for an article. ]
- ISBN No. has been issued offline by Pink city Publishers, Jaipur with legal permission of ISBN Department of India.[8] Very soon it will be updated in database. Tapanvnahar (talk) 15:20, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- If the book was published in 2015, I'm skeptical that more time is the solution to problems like this. ]
- I asked to team ISBN of india regarding online evidence. There reply is attached.[9] The letter issued for publisher is already attached.[10] Still we are trying to process for updation in online database. It may take time. because ISBN is offline registered and the team haven't updated it in online database.--Tapanvnahar (talk) 07:53, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Tapanvnahar: Are you the author of the book or in any other way afflifiated with the book/publishing company? --MrClog (talk) 10:21, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- I am not author and not affiliated with the book/publishing company in any way.Tapanvnahar (talk) 10:32, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Then how do you have the letter in which the ISBN is assigned? --MrClog (talk) 11:19, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- I mailed and asked for ISBN evidence regarding this purpose.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tapanvnahar (talk • contribs) 11:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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References
- ^ "जिसके युग मे भारत सोने की चिड़िया कहलाया". www.epaper.patrika.com. Retrieved 23 July 2019.
- ^ "List of selected books of private publishers" (PDF). www.education.rajasthan.gov.in. Rajasthan Government Education Department. Retrieved 29 June 2018.
- ^ "गुर्जर प्रतिहार सम्राट मिहिर भोज के जीवन पर लेखक विजय नाहर की किताब // RASHTRA KHABAR". Rashtra Khabar. Retrieved 9 October 2018.
- ^ "Book Review". www.epaper.patrika.com. Retrieved 14 April 2019.
- ^ "गुर्जर प्रतिहार सम्राट मिहिर भोज के जीवन पर लेखक विजय नाहर की किताब // RASHTRA KHABAR". Rashtra Khabar. Retrieved 9 October 2018.
- ^ "जिसके युग मे भारत सोने की चिड़िया कहलाया". www.epaper.patrika.com. Retrieved 14 April 2019.
- ^ "समीक्षा - सम्राट मिहिर भोज एवं उनका युग". www.rachanakar.org. Retrieved 30 March 2019.
- ^ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lslodF-y9Rknq_0sUT2pUxySe_NtBFSd/view?usp=drivesdk
- ^ https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VoxDGM4x3XoZ4nE6rFgFCwQQJleXSsus
- ^ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lslodF-y9Rknq_0sUT2pUxySe_NtBFSd/view?usp=drivesdk
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The result was redirect to Knuckles' Chaotix. ‑Scottywong| squeal _ 02:03, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Chaotix
As a subject, the topic of this article fails
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- Merge salvagable content to Knuckles' Chaotix, then Redirect. No significant coverage on the characters that isn't dependent on the parent subject. Proposing a redirect as a plausible search term for the game. --letcreate123 (talk) 19:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Knuckles' Chaotix as not independently notable, fancruft.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect - not independently notable from the game of the similar name. Just about all sources are either brief passing mentions pulled from articles about the game, or discussing them as part of the game as gameplay mechanics more than characters themselves. Sergecross73 msg me 14:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect or keep the article. But I think redirecting the article to Knuckles' Chaotix is a better option.Forest90 (talk) 17:28, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Workaholic. As the article is currently a single sentence, a merge didn't seem necessary. However, that sentence is still available in the edit history of the article, so feel free to use it. ‑Scottywong| speak _ 02:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Hustle culture
Apparently non-notable
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- Delete There are two sources: . The Forbes column does use the term in the headline, and uses it twice more. (I uses just "hustle" 5 times more.). This would seem to be the actual source for the phrase, because it does explicitly propose it as a neologism: "It seems that everywhere I go, people are suffering from the “hustle culture” pandemic. By hustle culture, I mean the collective urge we currently seem to feel as a society to work harder, stronger, faster." That a Forbes writer proposed the phrase, does not mean it is widely used. The earlier NYT column uses the phrase in a very general sense , twice only in a article that uses the general term hustle by itself 8 times. It doesn't say or indicate or imply that the phrase is a standard descriptor. Looking elsewhere on google, it seems to be used in a general way, as people might say "workout culture", "office culture" , "New York culture" (we have an article Food culture to the actual article title Sociology of food . Possibly it might become a standard phrase, but most similar terminology has not. DGG ( talk ) 18:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep, the article is currently very short, and scholarly sources are in short supply, but there are better ones than those given, and far more of a similar quality. It's not a neologism, though many of the older sources discuss the concept not in the context of Silicon Valley tech companies as the newer ones do, but in the context of Surinamese immigrants to the Netherlands; see for example this 2012 book (p. 182) referring to an earlier work on the topic from 2001. Here is an in-depth profile on "hustle culture" in advertising predating the Forbes piece, and the term is very widely written about in news media, e.g. Wall Street Journal. There has been a significant rise in use of the term since the essay in the New York Times (which also predates Forbes, by the way), but older uses exist, and "it has become more popular recently" is no reason to not have an article. Rather, that was probably the reason behind writing the article now, instead of last year. Huon (talk) 21:10, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Merge There are many equivalent phrases, going back millenia: "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise". The best target appears to be work ethic. Andrew D. (talk) 14:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect Not seeing how this is different from Workaholic, and there's nothing there to merge except "the term hustle culture is a thing that exists". Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:12, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Workaholic, as the two terms appear to be largely synonymous. A brief mention of the term, as well as the sources being used here that mention it, can be added to that article if needed. Rorshacma (talk) 15:44, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- "Workaholic" is a quasi-medical and derogatory framing in which the work is seen as dysfunctional – addictive or compulsive busywork. Even when they have "made it", the workaholic will keep working. Andrew D. (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, but that is what the article, and most of the sources, seem to be describing. Pretty much all of the sources, both in the article and found in this AFD, are describing "hustle culture" as dysfunctional, with one of the sources being used in the article (the Times article) even using the term "workaholism" to describe hustle culture. Hence why I suggested that as the redirect/merge target. To be fair, I can see how work ethic could also be a valid target, and would not have any objection if that is what is decided, but based on the sources, I still think Workaholic to be more appropriate.Rorshacma (talk) 16:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment between this and ]
- Merge with ping me) 00:53, 18 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Merge as suggested above - it's a reasonable compromise. Bearian (talk) 20:40, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect as above. I'm not sure there's enough material here for anything to merge. Reyk YO! 17:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep this, or Merge, as those who have commented on the matter above have suggested. StewBrewer (talk) 14:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Merge the article to ]
- Merge to workaholic makes the most sense to me. Redirect doesn't make sense without merge, as there's no mention of this there right now. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:37, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn; independent sourcing is improved since nominating. ]
Henry's Hard Soda
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Not a notable brand. References (and article content) are largely marketing material from MillerCoors.
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- Keep. Following the nomination of the article for deletion, I did more research and added enough reliable sources to support notability, especially given the information they provide about the company's success in this market. Зенитная Самоходная Установка (talk) 17:43, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep I have found sources on the internet that are enough to satisfy the ]
- Keep Neutrally written article that doesn't come across as overtly promotional. The handful of independent references provided among the chaff are enough to get it over the top. StonyBrook (talk) 18:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| yak _ 01:58, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
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Subject fails
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- Delete Translators can be notable, but we need sources that speak to notability, not merely a list of book translated.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Overall, the rationales for article retention are outweighing the rationales presented here for deletion, particularly notions that the event has had
2018 Tinsukia killings
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- Delete. It's just a single event, not massacre or genocide that it require any wikipedia page. It doesn't meet any ]
- Keep. Nom's reliance on ULFA, a primary proponent of one such movement. Therefore, the event is very much a part of the encyclopedic body of knowledge. The event deserves an article because of its relationship to the greater separatist movement at least as much as the 1993 Aurora shooting (which killed 4 persons) deserves a place in the encyclopedic body of knowledge because of its relationship to the greater issue of mass shootings in the US.Deccantrap (talk) 19:47, 16 July 2019 (UTC)]
- That's not how single events are decided and Harshil's characterization is damn accurate; otherwise we can link nearly every event to some broader subject and then, have an article. In these days of media-coverage, every trivial crime is amplified all across multiple media and what we essentially look for is lasting coverage, after some time has already passed. ~ Winged BladesGodric 05:31, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
- This event deserves the section in the ]
- That's not how single events are decided and Harshil's characterization is damn accurate; otherwise we can link nearly every event to some broader subject and then, have an article. In these days of media-coverage, every trivial crime is amplified all across multiple media and what we essentially look for is lasting coverage, after some time has already passed. ~ Winged BladesGodric 05:31, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes WP:NCRIME. Wide coverage at the time of the event. Continuing coverage through 2019 - e.g. - [10], [11], [12]. Icewhiz (talk) 08:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep It was an widely covered incident that had political ramifications in Assam and West Bengal, especially in the context of NRC and counter movement by some Bengali nationalist organizations. BengaliHindu (talk) 09:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep - NOTNEWS very clearly doesn't apply, major event, receiving ongoing coverage, with significant collateral effects. I'm confused by both OP's and Harshil169's comment (who said it didn't meet any notability criteria, not merely failing NOTNEWS). Bizarre. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:06, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Tatiana Zavialova
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Promotion aside, the article is unreliably sourced (Blogspot? Really?) and the model isn’t notable. Participation in the “prestigious” Elite Model Look contest is not an indicator of notability or success. Many completely unknown and unnotable models do the same thing every year. (Also, the Ford Supermodel of the World competition makes no mention of her. It’s odd that a model would participate in the competitions of two rival agencies if she “won” one of them already. Maybe it’s because it didn’t happen!) Trillfendi (talk) 16:48, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. Not seeing much if any coverage from independent sources. Article looks quite promotional as well. Highway 89 (talk) 01:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per above, does not look like a notable model Alex Bakharev (talk) 06:38, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ]
Rent bank
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Unreferenced since 2009 Rathfelder (talk) 15:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. Sources include:
- Payday Lending in Canada in a Global Context: A Mature Industry with Chronic Challenges, Jerry Buckland, Chris Robinson, Brenda Spotton Visano, Springer, 29 Mar 2018 p.165
- Finding Home: Policy Options for Addressing Homelessness in Canada, The Homeless Hub, 2009 - Electronic books
Also this, this and this. Mccapra (talk) 15:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment most of the content reads as marketing material for Surrey Rent Bank and must be removed. The topic itself is probably notable, but I know nothing about it. ]
- It was added by a ]
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- Keep - so notability is well-demonstrated by the sources above. Power-enwiki and his battleaxe of anti-promotionalism have...aggressively cleansed the article. There's loads more content that could be added if it's now felt to be too short.
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:06, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Doug Doughty
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Notability warning has been up for 7 years without reliable sources added that are centered on the subject. Omnibus (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- delete longtime columnist for WP:SIGCOV of this journalist or of the things he has written, please ping me to reconsider.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:02, 24 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete What we would need is actual sources that show that Doughty's actions were trend setting. What we have now is way too much sourcing to his own works, we need sources about him.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| chatter _ 01:57, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Wilbert Roget II
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Deprodded without rationale or improvement. While a working composer, not enough in-depth coverage to meet
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- Delete per nom. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:00, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Lead composer for recent Star Wars, Tomb Raider, Guild Wars, Call of Duty, and Mortal Kombat properties means he's notable. I'll expand the article (or just remake it if it's deleted). :-P Liontamer (talk) 01:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Notable works don't make him independently notable if he doesn't have articles specifically written about him. However, if you can find enough that are, then it can be kept. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:06, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Greetings, ]
- Delete - while the subject has accrued some coverage (mostly in regards to their composing music for the MK11 soundtrack), ]
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2028 in rail transport
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Far too soon for such a page; there's no reason to believe that LA Olympics projects won't finish in 2027.
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- Delete. Per, uhh, WP:CRYSTALBALL. Heck - rail transport might be obsolete by 2028 due to an unknown technical advance in intervening decade. Icewhiz (talk) 16:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete! per nom. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete ]
- Delete, as above.----Ehrenkater (talk) 16:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. ]
- Delete per nom and others, early close per ]
- Delete - Per nom and above. Barca (talk) 22:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. The statement "the actual dates that these events occur on may differ substantially" from the lead basically indicates why this is a wholly unnecessary article. --Kinu t/c 20:26, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete This article is little more than speculation. ―Susmuffin Talk 02:13, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete the whole thing about projects completed by 2028 is idle speculation. All sorts of things could change in the next 9 years.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:11, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete as likely paid-for spam. I've blocked both the creator and the user who moved this into mainspace for UPE. MER-C 15:36, 26 July 2019 (UTC)]
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It is not a real area, it is created by a sock, where the goal is only promotion using the Wikipedia. Meeanaya (talk) 08:10, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment although it isn’t an actual administrative unit, the refs provided in the article show that it is a term in current use and widely understood. We have an article for Khalistan so perhaps this article should be renamed Jatland movement? Mccapra (talk) 08:25, 7 July 2019 (UTC)]
- @Mccapra: I dont know if such a movement is going on, but if it is, then it would have to be notable to get an article. —usernamekiran(talk) 09:15, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
- Mccapra, Although it is popular term used by the politicians to draw attention and there is nothing significant. Another example can be Hinduland or Muslimland. The page was created by a Sock with a very clear purpose to seek advantages for term Jatland. Meeanaya (talk) 09:08, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Meeanaya I think Hinduland and Muslimland are differ from Jatland. --Ashok
Talk 17:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Meeanaya I understand the point you're making but I believe that our policies on Wikipedia mean that even if this 'isn't really a thing' and is just an idea some people are talking up for partisan purposes, if it has been covered extensively in the press it is likely to be notable, regardless of who originally created the article and whatever their purpose was. The refs provided in the article look sound to me. If there are literally no other references to Jatland then this may be a borderline case, but if there are other pieces in the mainstream press also discussing the idea, it probably is notable enough to have its own article. Thanks. Mccapra (talk) 20:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Mccapra I agree that a page can be created as a term but not as an area, which really don't exists. It will be better to draftify first and rewrite to display the appropriate content on the page.Meeanaya (talk) 04:11, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Meeanaya I think Hinduland and Muslimland are differ from Jatland. --Ashok
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- Keep - Jatland word is popular among the people of Indian states Rajasthan, Haryana, Delhi and Punjab. Its quit popular in Pakistan also. --Ashok
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- AshokChakra- I complete agree, it is popular term so it could have a page not as an area but as a term, why it exists and what it is for.Meeanaya (talk) 04:13, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Dear Meeanaya, Jatland is a term for geographical area. An area where majority of Jats are live. Maybe it is not in the map of India but in the states it is a notable area. --Ashok
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- AshokChakra- Good to know about it, Can I create pages for Bheelland, Punjabiland, Banialand, Rajputland and others similar to the lines of Jatland which is a hypothetical term? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meeanaya (talk • contribs)
- Meeanaya, I think whatever you want to create, not notable. I mean Jatland article provides references, all reliable. But its up to you, what do you want to create or not. ;) --Ashok
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- It is a pseudological term used to define an area or region which does not exists, if this is accepted there can be several pages on the same lines, really we need to draw a line to avoid spam. Meeanaya (talk) 10:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Meeanaya, I think whatever you want to create, not notable. I mean Jatland article provides references, all reliable. But its up to you, what do you want to create or not. ;) --Ashok
- Dear Meeanaya, Jatland is a term for geographical area. An area where majority of Jats are live. Maybe it is not in the map of India but in the states it is a notable area. --Ashok
- AshokChakra- I complete agree, it is popular term so it could have a page not as an area but as a term, why it exists and what it is for.Meeanaya (talk) 04:13, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Keep. None of the nominator’s arguments seem compelling to me. Mccapra (talk) 05:01, 14 July 2019 (UTC)- The Wikipedia:no original research policy should. Same challenge to you, too: What do sources actually document about this subject? And how is the article at hand not a bizarre synthesis from nonce-word newspaper headlinese that somehow has this subject stretching across vast and unconnected parts of India? Start off with an easy one if you like: How is the first sentence of the article supported by the BSI piece at all? Please put content policy into action. Uncle G (talk) 08:23, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- OK I understand the point that the article defines an area as being known casually as 'Jatland' while none of the sources for the article offer any such definition, just referring to it as if its meaning is already understood. In terms of sourcing for a geographical definition, I've so far found:
- The Wikipedia:no original research policy should. Same challenge to you, too: What do sources actually document about this subject? And how is the article at hand not a bizarre synthesis from nonce-word newspaper headlinese that somehow has this subject stretching across vast and unconnected parts of India? Start off with an easy one if you like: How is the first sentence of the article supported by the BSI piece at all? Please put content policy into action. Uncle G (talk) 08:23, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Christophe Jaffrelot (2010). Religion, Caste, and Politics in India. Primus Books. p.35 ISBN 978-93-80607-04-7
and
Jat Politics At Crossroads Following Election Results Mccapra (talk) 17:03, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
- Neither actually contain a single fact about a Jatland. The second is actually about the 2019 Indian general election results across various states, and the first is a footnote about the post-Partition manoeuvrings (which were a little more complex than that, in truth, given what happened in 1966). Uncle G (talk) 05:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep ]
- How? What do the sources tell us about this subject? Uncle G (talk) 22:38, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- It's an informal name for a region (similar to e.g., WP:GNG. This is supported by reliable sources (e.g., 1 2 3 ). FOARP (talk) 07:13, 16 July 2019 (UTC)]
- None of the three sources that you point to state that. One is all about stereotypes of Haryana, one is about a politician visiting Bagpat district, and one is about BJP politicians in the Jind district. None of the three actually contain a single fact about a Jatland. You aren't actually putting the Primary Notability Criterion into practice at all. You are phrase-matching headlines and sub-heads, some of which are even signalling that this is a nonce term by putting it in quotation marks. Putting the PNC into practice involves evaluating the depths of sources, which involves finding out what they actually tell one about a subject. So I challenge you again: What do sources actually tell one about this subject? Uncle G (talk) 08:14, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- It's an informal name for a region (similar to e.g.,
- How? What do the sources tell us about this subject? Uncle G (talk) 22:38, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep The article meets the ]
- Same challenge: What sources? And what do they tell us? Have you read them? Uncle G (talk) 08:14, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- delete: WP:GEOLAND. Its a nickname. It exists. But its not notable. —usernamekiran(talk) 09:13, 17 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete as ]
- Comment – I agree with the concise and precise explanation of academic sources for South Asian religion/caste/ethnicity-related claims on this project, as media standards are extremely poor here. As far as academic sources are concerned, they hardly ever use this term. I could find only a single quality source which comes anywhere close to defining Jatland. Here is the relevant quote:[1]
As the table below shows, while the country’s foodgrain production has nearly doubled since 1970–1, it has trebled in the case of Punjab and Haryana. If we were to also include the Hindu Jats of western Uttar Pradesh (UP) and their Sikh counterparts who have ‘colonized’ the irrigated tracts of northern Rajasthan (mainly Ganganagar and Hanumangarh) and the Tarai area of Uttarakhand, the result is a geographically contiguous, extended ‘Jatland’ territory. It is this belt that has been the cradle of India’s Green Revolution.
- In short, the term is neither well-defined in any quality source nor it meets the ]
References
- ISBN 978-0230205079. Retrieved 17 July 2019.
Keep perWP:RS. I am not an expert on India however I relied on the descriptions put forth - the subject appears to be sometimes described as a village, and or a region. India Times, Open The Magazine, Travel Triangle, and DNA India. Lightburst (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)]
- @WP:GNG, can you spell out how how this blog qualifies as a reliable source and how that or the other sources you list list contain "significant coverage" on the subject? To avoid confusion, I'll note that significant coverage means that the source "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content". If after reading those sources, you are not even sure if the term refers to "a village, and or a region", wouldn't that indicate that those sources are not fit to write an encyclopedic entry on the subject? Abecedare (talk) 17:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Abecedare I determine from the sources that it exists. I think you can ignore the blog that you have dismissed and consider the rest, including the non-english press. Using various criteria I see that it is a place. India is a complicated geographical location with a mix of regions, villages, and areas often described by locals and others in contradictory descriptives. I will continue to search as I always do. Lightburst (talk) 17:22, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- @WP:OR) definition,]
And its meaning can only be understood in the context of the article. It may mean an area dominated by Jats numerically, politically, or culturally.
That will help explain how the articles you cited don't even use the term to refer to the same concept.Times of India uses Jatland as a synonym for Haryana; Open magazine uses it to talk about Jat migrant community in Chhattisgarh; while DNA India uses it to highlight Jat electoral prowess in Delhi. Abecedare (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2019 (UTC)- India Census 2011 describes an area as simply Jat, and the specific term Jatland is not used in the 2011 census. From one source provided it looked as if there were protests regarding the creation of Jatland. Not sure we dismiss ignore the one about creation of Jatland. Lightburst (talk) 17:46, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- Jat people or Jatland; the names do not even derive from theblue in 2024" to a desire to spray-paint the state. :)
same family ofsame languages. And this article is not talking about "creation of Jatland." Interpreting its mention of "convert it into 'Jat land' on March 20" as such, is akin to interpreting "Democrats plan to turn Texas - May I suggest that you withdraw your !vote at this afd and we hat the following discussion since its going increasing off-topic and bordering on ]
- India Census 2011 describes an area as simply Jat, and the specific term Jatland is not used in the 2011 census. From one source provided it looked as if there were protests regarding the creation of Jatland. Not sure we dismiss ignore the one about creation of Jatland. Lightburst (talk) 17:46, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- @
- @Lightburst: Like Abecedare said: Jat, Sangli is a completely different town. It has nothing to do with the Jat community. The town belongs in state of Maharashtra, and such is a marathi language name. No relation to Jat community, or Jatland at all. The "creation of Jatland" article you provided uses the term metaphorically. Like some clowns saying, "we will host a show in delhi on March 20, and convert it into merryland". Kindly read my vote above. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- Abecedare I determine from the sources that it exists. I think you can ignore the blog that you have dismissed and consider the rest, including the non-english press. Using various criteria I see that it is a place. India is a complicated geographical location with a mix of regions, villages, and areas often described by locals and others in contradictory descriptives. I will continue to search as I always do. Lightburst (talk) 17:22, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- @
- Delete: From further research and examination of the references, this subject does not pass GNG. Jatland is not an actual region or village and the 2011 census has confined this. WP:GEOLAND is not met. I am unsure what Jatland refers to at this point but it seems plausible to assume that Abecedare may be correct in stating it is like saying,]
"Democrats plan to turn Texas blue in 2024"
. I cannot even find that Jatland fits a descriptive area like the Southern United States. Lightburst (talk) 01:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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Keep perWP:GEOLAND. Although this is not a legal entity, there is non-trivial coverage in multiple independent reliable sources (Business Standard, News18, Hindustan Times etc.) which makes it notable. While it does appear to be just an idea, it is one that has received significant coverage and so passes notability guidelines. It's essentially an unofficial region with citations to support its existence. Highway 89 (talk) 01:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]- @significantly, rather than just naming them? —usernamekiran(talk) 03:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
- None so far, do. There's actually no coverage at all in any of the sources cited, because they do not contain a single fact about this purported concept, not even support for the first sentence of the article at hand. I have been pointing out what they actually document. Have you read them? Uncle G (talk) 05:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Revising to delete. Upon further reading of the sources, the coverage appears to be purely speculative with no real facts of note. Highway 89 (talk) 15:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per Abecedare's cogent portmanteau explanation and usernamekiran's GEOLAND explanation. I also note that the the sources, such as they are, variously use "Jat land" or "Jat-land", strengthening the portmanteau argument and signifying that this is not a standard term. --regentspark (comment) 22:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, exactly as RegentsPark explains, including their own referencing of Abecedare and usernamekiran. It is a nebulous concept deployed by lazy journalists. At best, this would be a ]
- Delete changing my !vote after further thought. The sources I found are too sparse and the arguments of Sitush and Abecedare are persuasive. Mccapra (talk) 09:30, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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Not enough coverage to pass
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- Delete - agree with nom. Not enough coverage to justify it. MaskedSinger (talk) 06:26, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Just like theatrical films, a television film is not handed an automatic notability freebie just because an reliable source coverage about the film, such as actual reviews by newspaper or magazine TV critics. But besides the IMDb profile, the only other source here is a special-interest magazine reporting a blog-sourced rumor that this film's lead actor had signed to be in it, which is not enough to get this over the "media coverage" test all by itself. Bearcat (talk) 14:01, 8 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Check out WP:NEXIST, "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article". North America1000 00:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)]
- That only comes into play if suitable sources are actually shown to exist, and does not hand any article a free exemption from having to show any sources at all just because NEXIST exists. Bearcat (talk) 18:21, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Did you not look at the links provided by myself and Jovan below? matt91486 (talk) 07:29, 17 July 2019 (UTC)]
- I wasn't speaking about the existence or non-existence of sources provided after I made my comment — I was addressing the inappropriately condescending tone needed to imply that sources not provided until after I said what I said somehow turn me into a bad Wikipedian for ever having said what I said in the first place. If enough other users vote keep to establish a consensus that the new sources are good enough, then I don't have to reverse my original comment before it can be kept — but my original comment doesn't make me a bad person just because new sources were shown after I made it either. In a nutshell, there was no need for NorthAmerica1000 to actually respond to my comment at all, especially not in a tone that implied that my original comment was negligent or incompetent. Bearcat (talk) 20:57, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
- Did you not look at the links provided by myself and Jovan below?
- Check out
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- Keep - just quickly looking for sources shows various reviews: [13]; [14]; [15]; [16]; [17]. Also things like [18]. This shows sufficient coverage. matt91486 (talk) 22:42, 9 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep A clear pass of Jovanmilic97 (talk) 17:21, 10 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment Pinging Jovanmilic97 (talk) 17:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment Thanks Jovanmilic97 will take a look when I have a chance. Currently slammed! MaskedSinger (talk) 17:49, 10 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep as passes WP:NFILM with multiple independent reviews in reliable sources such as Variety, New York Daily News and Hollywood Reporter, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 21:47, 14 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep – Clearly meets WP:MOVIE as per a perusal of available sources, including those added to the article. North America1000 00:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)]
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- Keep - sources are a clear keep on NFILM grounds. While they spend fair portions on the primary actress (her performance, typecasting etc), there is still enough to meet Sig Cov reviews easily. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:07, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep article has plenty of room for improvement, but even a simple gNews search turns up plenty of reviews, and ONGOING discussion of this film in he years since.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:23, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Presley Lawson
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An autobiography of a musician who doesn't meet
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*Delete. Subject fails
]- Delete. Article is promo/vanity, almost entirely OR, and sourced only by web pages, many of which do not even mention the subject. Agricola44 (talk) 14:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per above (WP:CRYSTAL. Rising/upcoming star that could well make it in here one day. StonyBrook (talk) 18:17, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
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Tea (programming language)
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No indication that this is more than a personal project. Flagged for notability since 2011. Dgpop (talk) 00:39, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Suggesting speedy keep per WP:POINTY.
- --Matthiaspaul (talk) 16:12, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- To be fair to Charmk, they did not nominate this article; indeed they recommended keep with sources above. --
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17:25, 9 July 2019 (UTC)- That's true, thanks for pointing it out. ;-) Given the amount of similar nominations, at some point I didn't check the individual ones any more due to lack of time.... --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- To be fair to Charmk, they did not nominate this article; indeed they recommended keep with sources above. --
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- Keep Sourcing is just over GNG. I'd question the nom as weak, was WP:BEFORE done? Widefox; talk 15:51, 27 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep There is some historical significance behind this language. It was developed by the Walt Disney Internet Group. It's still available here: Tea Trove Project DavidDelaune (talk) 16:35, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| comment _ 01:54, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Paschimbanga Dibas
Fails
The first source is an op-ed by a Hindu bigot over a Bengali daily.
The second and third sources fails
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The fourth source (a Bengali daily) dated 20 May, 2018 mentions that a group of intellectuals wish to celebrate 20 June as Paschimbanga Divas. Nothing else.
The fifth source (over a reputed media) covers the event as part of BJP's communal politics in Bengal.
The sixth source is a BA dissertation.
Seeing nothing else over reliable sources (both English and Bengali), except that a few Hindus who were going to celebrate the event threw off a Muslim from train, because of wearing a skull-cap:-( ∯WBGconverse 08:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Could it be because people are celebrating on the wrong day? ☺
- Senmazumdar, Judhajit (2019-06-27). "West Bengal Foundation Day observed". IndiaPost.
- Uncle G (talk) 20:31, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
- I guess that's because 23rd's the next Sunday after 20th. When I used to be over USA, the diasporic population shew a strong tendency to celebrate all events over the next Sunday after the actual event, to attract more participation. FWIW, that's not a RS and does not contribute to ]
- Keep The article meets the ]
- Harshil169, op-eds can be used but they don't contribute to notability.
- I am a native Bengali speaker and have no idea about why you mention the point of non-English sources, being usable as references. The reasons behind non-suitability of Ref-2&3 have got nothing to with language but with failure of ]
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- He is a bigot[citation needed] and I stand by it.
- I don't think Rana Ayuub is a RS for the Gujarat-affairs and don't spot her book as a source over Naroda_Patiya_massacre (which's a GA) or the main article about the riots, either. Obviously, there are scholarly sources who've used her as a source and that's fine enough. (FWIW, the Court's verdict is not a reliable indicator of scholarly reliability ... )
- One of the sources is Samakal Darpan. Seems to be founded by a person of zero credibility and I can't spot anything else. Cached version of a FB page shows 48 likes but the page is currently unavailable. Have not ever heard of the paper. Don't confuse with Samakal, from Bangladesh.
- Swastika is a (self-proclaimed) nationalist Bengali weekly. Have never heard of it, either. No mention or cross-referencing by any other reliable sources (frankly, there's no site, irrespective of reliability, that even talks about them). ∯WBGconverse 12:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete - per nom. --Zayeem (talk) 00:46, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, non notable event, nothing found any reliable source on google. Fails ]
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| gab _ 01:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
The NOC
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This defunct youtube channel does not meet the criteria at either the
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| talk _ 01:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
GiveBackFilms
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| soliloquize _ 01:51, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Amaar Cinema
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PROD contested with "TV channels are always notable" on the article talk page. That is not true; all articles have to meet
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- Delete No sources this channel actually launched, much less that it's a channel on a satellite (it could just be one of the thousand 'gray market channels' on a questionable Kodi service). chatter) 21:20, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep. TV channels is considered as notable.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 11:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Respectfully, if that is the case, then show me a policy that says this. Red Phoenix talk 16:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment For all we know, this is just a YouTube playlist of public domain films uploaded as a 'network'. No sources, no article. chatter) 01:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment For all we know, this is just a YouTube playlist of public domain films uploaded as a 'network'. No sources, no article.
- Respectfully, if that is the case, then show me a policy that says this. Red Phoenix talk 16:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Aranya (festival)
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No facts, no independent refs or indication of notabilty Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Omloop der Kempen. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
2008 Omloop der Kempen
Only marginal added value for this sole annual edition of the Omloop der Kempen. The six medalists are in the general article. Teams are listed in cyclist articles. Creator has been banned. gidonb (talk) 13:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Redirect to alternative to deletion. Agreed that the spinout is pretty much of low value at this point. Red Phoenix talk 14:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- No objection to a redirect. Thought that just adding a random year doesn't add much SEO power, hence the delete proposal. gidonb (talk) 21:58, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Omloop der Kempen, most likely links to other pages so this is a good to prevent red links that would have to manally be changed.--Seacactus 13 (talk) 18:20, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
RoadTrip (band)
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This band fails
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- Comment: this looks like WP:TOOSOON – the band's three EPs have received attention in the fluffier teen-oriented gossip sites, and made the iTunes, Spotify charts, etc. but nothing as yet in reliable sources. You feel this will be a case in the next 12 months of either the band breaking through, or calling it a day due to lack of success. Richard3120 (talk) 14:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete. "Crazy yet awesome life" is in itself a giveaway. RobinCarmody (talk) 19:28, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. North America1000 03:16, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Jay White (impersonator)
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Doesn't meet
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- Keep - Some of the sources currently used are not reliable, but in the article are references from the Macomb Daily, Las Vegas Sun, and Yahoo Sports which show notability. I also easily found coverage in the Buffalo News, Waterloo Record, and
Daily Mail.-- Whpq (talk) 18:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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- @FoxyGrampa75: Thanks for letting me know. I've stricken the Daily Mail item. I know the tabloid is a bit sketchy but didn't know it was declared an unreliable source. -- Whpq (talk) 12:54, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
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- Comment - replacing the Daily Mail stricken above is this NBC Philedelphia item. -- Whpq (talk) 13:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I beg to differ with the nom, this guy passes both ENT and GNG based on the sources mentioned above and inside the article. Seems to be good at what he does and has been doing it long enough to get noticed. StonyBrook (talk) 17:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Definitely not notable as a hockey player, but there's enough coverage to meet ]
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The result was merge to The Roller Blade Seven. ‑Scottywong| converse _ 01:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
The Legend of the Roller Blade Seven
Another article about a
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- Merge, a wikiarticle appears to have been made on each of Shaw's films on the assumption that they are individually notable, they are not (where are the reviews from reliable sources, significant awards?), therefore (selective) merge, without a redirect, to the sequel section of The Roller Blade Seven. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:14, 19 July 2019 (UTC)]
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- Weak delete/redirect/Merge - I honestly wanted to save this article, but I don't see enough in the way of WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. There appears to have been a very short Hollywood Reporter review of it in 1992 but that's it. Finding some more sources would help - the above-linked ones provided by User:Chinanski appear to be either brief mentions (not signficant coverage) or not reliable-sources. FOARP (talk) 14:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Merge Think this article should probably be merged or redirected with The Roller Blade Seven. Thanks Chinanski (talk) 14:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to The Roller Blade Seven as not independently notable at least online, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 20:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was merge to The Roller Blade Seven. ‑Scottywong| confess _ 01:47, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Return of the Roller Blade Seven
A 14-year-old article with no
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- Merge Think this article should probably be merged with The Roller Blade Seven. Thanks Chinanski (talk) 14:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to [[The Roller Blade Seven as not independently notable, at least online, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 20:05, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. ‑Scottywong| yak _ 01:46, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Fameye
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Fails
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- Delete - agree with nom MaskedSinger (talk) 17:20, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - clearly not at all notable. No evidence of any quality that might be considered to endow notability. Fails ]
- Keep. The volume of coverage in Ghanaian sources shows that this singer is clearly a household name in Ghana. Easily passes GNG. — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Apart from the media saga of subject slapping his manager which was covered by several reliable sources like Ghafla!, Yen.com.gh and others, there's a number of reliable sources about subject on GNEWS from a search here. Lapablo (talk) 09:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as per Lapablo. Bondegezou (talk) 22:50, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment: He has released only one album, which doesn't pass ]
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- Delete Doesn't meet WP:ARTIST. Song isn't notable enough to warrant a creative professional. Rocktober2018 (talk) 17:35, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep Fameye is a notable Ghanaian singer as confirmed by GNEWS here: https://www.google.com/search?q=fameye&rlz=1C1CHBF_enGH839GH839&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVy5rGjNrjAhW0sHEKHRTwDrEQ_AUIEygD&biw=1220&bih=556 Sistaginna (talk) 12:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ‑Scottywong| talk _ 01:44, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Hal elrod
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I guess being a bestselling author is a claim to notability, hence AfD not speedy. The claim is unsourced, & all I can see are unsatisfactory refs like the two provided in the article. TheLongTone (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep there does seem to be enough coverage of The Miracle Morning to have some article, either on the book or the author. As ]
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The result was redirect to Kumbalangi Nights. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:55, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Anna Ben
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This a procedural nomination started by
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- Redirect to WP:TOOSOON. However, there is a valid ATD here, so we should take advantage of that. CThomas3 (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was keep.
Lieve Fransen
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Subject fails
- I recognise a poor state of an article does not constitute grounds for deletion - but it gives a sense of how well-maintained an article is (and thus how notable the subject is), especially given this article is 9 years old. MB190417 (talk) 22:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep per RebeccaGreen (thanks Rebecca!). --MrClog (talk) 20:15, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Delete (edit conflict) - Have not been able to find any independent reliable sources with SIGCOV. --MrClog (talk) 22:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC) - Comment I am currently searching for and adding sources. I do not see puffery in the article as it stands, it just says what she has done - and anyway, if there were puffery, that could be addressed. There is certainly information about her in histories of public health policies, safe blood supplies, STIs and HIV/AIDS work - it requires digging, though. I will keep looking and adding more sources as I find them. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:39, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- RebeccaGreen, thank you for taking the time to find more sources and improve the article. A recent edit has addressed most of the puffery, which mostly came from a quasi-WikiQuote 'Quotes from Speeches' section. MB190417 (talk) 09:22, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep I am continuing to add sources. I believe that she meets Jonathan Mann Award for Health and Human Rights. We could argue about whether these awards are "well-known" - I'd be pretty sure that the Senegalese one is well-known in Senegal, and it seems to be a high-level award. Admittedly, I have not yet found an independent source for it, even googling it in French - 1990s media from Senegal may not be online. (I have just been through the edit history to check when and by whom the dates of the awards were added, and I see the resumé-like content and what looks like COI editing by one or more people close to the subject. The article itself is not looking too bad now, but the external links still need pruning!) RebeccaGreen (talk) 20:28, 19 July 2019 (UTC)]
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- Keep agree with User:RebeccaGreen. Thanks to Rebecca. BurmesePokemon (talk) 17:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, meets WP:GNG, article now reflects this, thanks to RebeccaGreen. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:28, 28 July 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| prattle _ 01:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
The Our Time
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Non-notable newspaper in Bangladesh , fail
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- Keep . I have added on in talk pages about the speedy deletion of the page 3 months ago that its editor VOA Bangla. It is a print media. But nominator has said that it is an online media. It is a national level English Daily in Bangladesh.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 10:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
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- @S. M. Nazmus Shakib:The last two months ago, the page given speedy deletion tag use @Worldbruce:. on the main point, an admin declined for that take to AfD for a full discussion this page 1. First of all, there is no trusted/reliable source in this article.
- The first link used in this article is Dead Link.
- No involvement of this article was found with the second source of this article which would be eligible for general notable.
- According to this source 1, this newspaper does not exist in the list of notable English newspapers of Bangladesh.
- Since the creation of this article the general notable guideline tags have been given and no coverage was found on Google.
- In Bangladesh there are lot of online newspapers available but that’s means all of newspapers aren’t notable.
- The keep rationale seems to be "we have many that are as bad, or even worse".--]
- Delete No significant coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources. Doesn't meet any of the criteria of WP:NMEDIA either. Notability is not inherited from the editor. --Worldbruce (talk) 23:47, 26 July 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination. ‑Scottywong| soliloquize _ 01:41, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Gowry Lekshmi
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Delete - no notabality MaskedSinger (talk) 17:22, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Strong keep Satisfy ]
- Keep as the article now has many references to significant coverage in multiple reliable sources such as The Hindu, New Indian Express, DNA and others, so passes WP:GNG and the article is therefore a valid entry imv, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 20:38, 13 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment I have no issue with IP editors but when the one and only edit for an IP editor is Strong Keep, I'm highly skeptical of what's going on here.....MaskedSinger (talk) 16:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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- delete like the nominator said, subject fails WP:GNG as well. —usernamekiran(talk) 15:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- She has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources such as here which are by a bylined journalist and not press releases, there are plenty of other dedicated articles in reliable sources listed in the article which are not press releases Atlantic306 (talk) 19:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:53, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Shanghainese people
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better explained in the city article. viztor ✦ 08:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Demographics of Shanghai - This article essentially duplicates what's there. FOARP (talk) 10:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep These people have a distinct language. The other suggested pages don't cover all these aspects, such as the diaspora. In any case, merger into other pages would not be a matter of deletion -- see ]
- Keep - firstly, I disagree that WP:GNGs. It's not well-sourced at the moment but from a quick search of Google books and news, there seems to be no shortage of sources that could be added to pad this out into a very comprehensive and well-sourced article. Hugsyrup (talk) 12:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment. This article right now certainly isn't about the native people of Shanghai. viztor ✦ 23:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- That sounds like an argument to improve the article, not delete it? Hugsyrup 08:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Then again these native people won't be called Shanghainese. This one is more similar to New Yorker, San Franciscan etc. viztor ✦ 11:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- That sounds like an argument to improve the article, not delete it? Hugsyrup 08:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. This article right now certainly isn't about the native people of Shanghai. viztor ✦ 23:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Added a few sources onto the article. Subject does have its languages and culture and it is not intelligently understand for who speak Mandarin, Cantonese or other languages and it does not applies to all resident to who live in Shanghai. ]
- The Shanghai dialect is discussed on Demographics of Shanghai. General statements about the abundance of sources doesn't dismiss duplication concerns. FOARP (talk) 18:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree with the arguments by Andrew and Hugsyrup, and the edits by Cassiopeia indicate to me the article not only meets WP:GNG criteria as a standalone page, but that the article has plenty of potential for improvement and expansion moving forward... — Hunter Kahn 18:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep I agree with Hugsyrup (talk) --SalmanZ (talk) 21:28, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep agreeing with editors above: the Shanghainese appear to be a distinct ethnic group with their own language. Demographics of Shanghai is different and refers to the people living in Shanghai, who may or may not be Shanghainese. Highway 89 (talk) 01:58, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- No scholarly articles ever said that. Just look it up, don't assume.viz ✦ 06:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - Per Hugsyrup (talk). - MA Javadi (talk) 15:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:01, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Vince van Meer
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Hello. Yet another Wikipedia article that follows a series of "pieces" in the likes of theodysseyonline.com (see
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- Delete I don’t see any RIS supporting this. Mccapra (talk) 05:25, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment something a bit odd happening with templates here today so apologies if I’m voting in something that’s just been closed. Per the main AfD page it appears open, but when I save my comment it shows as closed. Mccapra (talk) 05:28, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Delete this garbage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:3C9F:F626:F4A8:280E:63E:4D86 (talk) 22:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Per the excellent analysis of the sources by the nominator. Another case where every single source that can be found in my searches is in the article already, so there are no significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Fails Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:31, 29 July 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was keep. ]
Dan Buettner
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Extremely promotional and mostly unsourced BLP in longevity, a field under arbcom sanctions. Only purpose seems to be promoting the questionable theory "
]- Keep. Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup. I share some of the nominator's concerns on the state of the article. However, that can be rectified by stubbing the article down. As for the subject of the article - even a cursory BEFORE shows that this Ted speaker (not TedX), author of multiple notable books (passing NBOOK), clearly passes GNG (and most certainly NAUTHOR as well). Icewhiz (talk) 08:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep - I agree it's promotional, I agree it's undersourced, but unfortunately I also think he pretty clearly meets ]
- Keep, well sourced enough to be notable. Calling the subject a lunatic, even on a talk page, seems to stretch BLP into the no-go zone. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- You're probably right. Neither here nor there from the point of view of my argument anyway, so I'll withdraw that. Hugsyrup 13:28, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep; it would be a good thing if somebody took the trouble to let some of the hot air out.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:57, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Not a huge fan of some of the keep rationales here, but Dan is notable. There is some coverage of his on Jovanmilic97 (talk) 14:46, 29 July 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was keep. ]
Eurodiaconia
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- Keep. Has plenty of references. Speaker616 (talk) 08:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- There seem to be plenty of independent references.Rathfelder (talk) 12:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, Google gives 47,100 results, Google Scholar about 380 articles for this term.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 00:35, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep -- It is not a good article but seems to be a Europe-wide network. I am not clear how notable it is. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep.
Blue Zone
Bullshit article. Promotional trainwreck. Article makes no third party substantiations on the genuity and notability of Dan Buettner's claim, while featuring great chunks of text from primary and associated sources produced by Buettner himself, with other sources used as a textbook violation of
- Weak keep. Looks well written enough to stay on. Speaker616 (talk) 08:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Note - ]
- Keep - Referred to as such by others (not Buettner - I'm not sure he even coined the term) - e.g. this book, or these journal articles: [45][46][47][48][49] - quite a few hits on "Blue Zone"+longevity in google-scholar (and not passing ones - articles referring to this as a topic or attempting to identify an additional "blue zone"). If the article is promotional - it can be stubbed down to the bare minimum - however the topic itself is clearly notable.Icewhiz (talk) 08:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Mentions like "The so called ..." in only a few academic sources alone may belong to ]
- Five journal articles that treat "Blue zone(s)" as a topic = meets GNG. And it's not just five - a simple scholar search for "Blue Zone" longevity shows multiple others (I just picked the first five hits - all of whom have "blue zone" in the title or in the abstract) - e.g. [50], [51]. As for Buettner - his book 2012 book - The blue zones: 9 lessons for living longer from the people who've lived the longest - has 381 citations - which is a rather strong indication of impact (and clearly passes ]
- Keep - Article could be improved but there no need to delete it. Oranjelo100 (talk) 09:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: as per Icewhiz's rationale. ]
- Obvious Keep, well sourced already. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| gab _ 01:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Stephanie Leigh Schlund
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An actress who has had only bit-part roles, sometimes uncredited. Fails
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Seems like an obviousJovanmilic97 (talk) 14:23, 29 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment. First film appearance in 2006, she's had 13 years to make her breakthrough. Narky Blert (talk) 19:37, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Yeah, you are right. She also may have retired from the industry (for now), seeing that she hasn't had a single role since 2017. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:48, 29 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment Yeah, you are right. She also may have retired from the industry (for now), seeing that she hasn't had a single role since 2017.
- Comment. First film appearance in 2006, she's had 13 years to make her breakthrough. Narky Blert (talk) 19:37, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Feel free to re-create this as a redirect, if desired. ‑Scottywong| verbalize _ 01:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
LGBT rights in the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic
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- Delete As discussed on the other page, fails ]
- Redirect At most. Why leave a redlink? Why is this deletion-worthy instead of just being redirected? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to what? WP:GNG fail. That it would leave a red link is not a good reason for keeping. FOARP (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Could both be redirected to ]
- Redirect to what?
- Delete fails GNG. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 06:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:32, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Selassie Ibrahim
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non-notable, even considering the difficultires of sourcing in the region. Ref.3 is essentially empty, ref 4 does not document the statement it references. I can find no info on the films mentioned &the film with Omaboe is not listed in the IMDB article on Omaboae. DGG ( talk ) 01:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep Subject is notable considering the neglect on media in the region. DGG I have tried sourcing the page again, please can you check again. Also a search from GNEWS brings up this I think i have addressed some of your concerns and also removed the contents i couldn't find sources for. Thanks in advance. Lapablo (talk) 10:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep per above. Has plenty of references and ]
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The result was no consensus between "keep" and "redirect". Let us see if the article can be expanded from the sources brought up during the AfD, and if not, a redirect / merge discussion can take place on the article talk page. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:47, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
CRON-diet
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Insufficiently notable - in particular lack of coverage in reliable-for-health (
- Well, notability and usefulness-for-health proven by MEDRS are two totally different things. A diet might clearly be notable if it is widely discussed in national newspapers, or if it has been the subject of a cult following with all kinds of mischief (documented in reliable sources over the years), or if a mass of gullible celebrities had followed it (and been properly written about), even if the evidence for it were missing entirely, or indeed fabricated. A diet that met WP:MEDRS would be a useful diet, but a diet that didn't could still be notable. So much for the theory.
- The CRON-diet seems to be based on a proper PNAS paper by Walford; and then followed up by The Anti-Aging Plan, with Walford as a co-author making up 5 of the remaining citations (not so good). But notability depends not on the current state of the article but on what's out there in the world. I see an article in The Telegraph, which would count towards notability. There's one in Slate, too, again, a decent ordinary (non-medical) source, and it mentions that the New York Times also had an article on it.
- The CRON diet is discussed in a section "Long-term CR interventions in humans" in a 2017 paper by Anna Picca and colleagues in Clin. Interv. Aging; it regrets that "At present, only the collection of data recorded from the members of the Calorie Restriction Society, who have imposed on themselves a regimen of severe CR with optimal nutrition (CRON), believing to extend in this way their healthy lifespan, provides direct evidence that CR may affect the aging process in humans." but after a detailed discussion of the physiological effects concludes that "Effectively, also quality of life improved according to scores from survey on physical component, depression, and physical functioning." A search on NIH found also a paper on CRON and AMER diets and gut microbiota by Griffin et al 2018; it mentions dietary-practice-associated gut bacterial taxa.
- There is (thus) genuine science behind Calorie restriction, but we already have an article on that; we also have one on the CR Society International which Walford helped to found. So it may be that a merge would be the right answer; or we may feel (given the evidence above) that the diet itself has attracted enough notability in its own right to be worth keeping. I'd incline to that latter view but am happy to discuss the evidence with other editors. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:01, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Coverage is required in usable RS. Without it, it is impossible to write an article. ]
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- Well if people feel like that then we should REDIRECT to Calorie restriction. There is certainly enough material for a mention over there. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- That would make sense. ]
- I would have no problem with a redirect and modified !vote to reflect this. Otr500 (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- That would make sense. ]
- Well if people feel like that then we should REDIRECT to Calorie restriction. There is certainly enough material for a mention over there. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - Significant coverage in multiple reliable sources: [52], [53], [54], [55]. Coverage in medical journals is not required to establish notability. ~Kvng (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comments: There are no sources on the article that provide evidence of notability and 4 were provided here. As written the article is original researchissues. It is a caloric restriction diet.
- Comments: There are no sources on the article that provide evidence of notability and 4 were provided here. As written the article is
- WP:RS. This source discusses "25 percent less than the recommended daily allowance" and makes reference to “starvation diet.” This is nowhere in the article.
- WP:RS. This reference is passing mention"For the majority of humans, the only way that would happen is if they found themselves locked in Biosphere 2 with CRON diet (calorie restriction with optimal nutrition) pioneer Dr. Roy Walford." but could be used for the negative aspects and CR content
- This sources plasters a cookies "Express" notice on the page that has to be accepted and shared with partners Google, Amazon Europe Core SARL, IO Technologies, Moat, and Twitter so is forced advertising and I didn't accept.
- Passing mention and titled The Biosphere 2 "starvation diet", references "team medic Dr. Roy Walford" and states "While his subjects pleaded with mission control for more supplies, Walford — who had been on the CRON-diet for years — maintained that their daily calorie intake was sufficient.". The article states "The CRON-diet was developed from data Walford compiled during his participation in Biosphere 2". This conflicts with the source.
- The article claims without sources: "The CRON-diet involves calorie restriction in the "hope" that the practice will "improve health and retard aging", while still attempting to provide the recommended daily amounts of various nutrients.". Also without sourcing "Other names include CR-diet, Longevity diet, and Anti-Aging Plan". This is more advertising when only backed by primary sources. Anti-Aging is refuted in at least one supplied extra source and I believe so is Longevity. A main issue is that when all the WP:OR is removed there is nothing so would require the article to be blown up and started again. Otr500 (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- This article was it was PRODDED by ]
- I am glad you contested the "PROD". I don't know about an incomplete BEFORE but the article had already been subjected to a PROD in 2008. I have no problem with an imperfect article. I see two sources out of 7 that advances notability. This is not in my area of interest, and maybe not yours, but "IF" I created the article it would have to be from scratch. It would be from a neutral point of view written to include the concerns of pseudo-science, claims of "starvation diet", and other controversies over claims of health benefits including anti-aging, and longevity of life like the 120-Year Diet. It would include government and private studies, as well as clinical trials concerning a nutrient-rich diet that includes extreme caloric reduction (calorie restriction), providing needed balance.
- The article claims without sources: "The CRON-diet involves calorie restriction in the "hope" that the practice will "improve health and retard aging", while still attempting to provide the recommended daily amounts of various nutrients.". Also without sourcing "Other names include CR-diet, Longevity diet, and Anti-Aging Plan". This is more advertising when only backed by primary sources. Anti-Aging is refuted in at least one supplied extra source and I believe so is Longevity. A main issue is that when all the WP:OR is removed there is nothing so would require the article to be blown up and started again. Otr500 (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- What Wikipedia doesn't need is a one-sided view of a diet that should have any possible risks associated with it to be included so it doesn't appear to be painted too positive. Are there risks? Sure there are. If this can't included then the contents, or mention should be at a location that will, like Calorie restriction. Otr500 (talk) 21:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- Are you making a WP:TNT argument here (I don't think there's a strong case for that) or just venting about the quality of the article? ~Kvng (talk) 01:29, 15 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Are you making a
- What Wikipedia doesn't need is a one-sided view of a diet that should have any possible risks associated with it to be included so it doesn't appear to be painted too positive. Are there risks? Sure there are. If this can't included then the contents, or mention should be at a location that will, like Calorie restriction. Otr500 (talk) 21:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Kaash Tum Hote
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Non-notable film with no significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Most of the current sources aren't reliable and reliable sources are interviews with the main lead actress. Fails
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- Delete A failure of WP:NFILMbecause there is no significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources. The article already has every source I could find on the film in my searches. My analysis of the sources...
- 1) IMDB is an unreliable source
- 2) A pure listing of the movie
- 3) More about the actress than the movie (also containing a lot of WP:SIGCOV.
- 4) A decent source from Dainik Jagran but not enough on it's own.
- 5) The film is mentioned in passing: "She not only choreographed the song for Kaash Tum Hote, featuring Priya Kapoor and Mukesh Bharti". Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:17, 29 July 2019 (UTC)]
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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:48, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Mornington railway station
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So...I'm not entirely sure what's going on with this 15 year old article. There's no body text, but all the information seems to be stuffed into the infoboxes on the side of the page. There's also no references - with an Unreferenced tag dated back to December 2009.
I'm wondering if we should merge this into
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- Delete or merge with Mornington railway line - this article on the station has hardly any content, and the only two references are two external links. Vorbee (talk) 06:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - the state of the article is the result of merging two original pages (one on the original station and the other on the tourist station) and can be cleaned up. There are some news sources about the station (e.g. here, a mention here, it was the intended start of an extension to the rest of the Mornington Peninsula here, but would be plenty of material on the history of the line in offline sources on the history of the railway station etc. Bookscale (talk) 10:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - there's coverage in Mornington Peninsula railways and their communities (2004) (ISBN 0957967691). Bookscale (talk) 10:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep; the article does have prose, but it was blanked by a drive-by vandal and has now been restored. Sufficient references should exist for a station which was in use for 100 years. Mackensen (talk) 12:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep As per norm. All stations with sources merit a page in Wikipedia.]
- Keep. We invariably keep articles on railway stations. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:45, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per the above. A little bit of WP:BEFORE would have saved everyone some time and effort here. Thryduulf (talk) 12:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Snow Keep Railway stations are notable and this one has significant coverage. AmericanAir88(talk) 11:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| comment _ 01:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Insyde
Being streamed however many times does not qualify for the charting, certification, and airplay requirements at
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- Delete - searches did not turn up the type of in-depth coverage necessary to meet ]
- Comment -In the "Delete" vote above the editor claims that this artist does not meet the )
- Keep - when searching "Insyde Music" on Google: [56] EVERY result is referring to this Insyde. Also, I was able to find some blog coverage of his song. [57] and also another wiki entry: [58] and [59]. Also found a website mentioning him here: [60] His music is also released by the label (Shoelace Records) that released music for Otis Taylor (musician) Also his youtube channel is a Verified Artist Channel, which is only given to artists on large labels with contacts at YouTube, and it means that YouTube deemed there enough coverage and the chance of impersonation of this artist to give it the verified Artist mark. Also is mentioned in the independent music tracking website MusicBrainz (Often used by Wikipedia to gather data for songs and artists) [61]. Plenty of mentions and credibility found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.30.174 (talk • contribs)
References
- ^ "Distro Deal". Insyde Blog. Retrieved 16 July 2019.
- ^ "Album Released!". Retrieved 16 July 2019.
- ^ "New Album out now! – Insyde". Retrieved 16 July 2019.
- ^ "Albums removed. – Insyde". Retrieved 16 July 2019.
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- Comment - In the above "keep" vote, the other Wikis are copies of THIS version of Wikipedia and prove nothing but website mirroring. The Google search performed by that voter reveals a list of streaming, retail, and lyrics sites that you would get after searching for any musician. All other "sources" given in that vote merely indicate that the rapper exists, not that he has received reliable coverage. See the guidelines given in the original nomination, plus WP:ROUTINE. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 17:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment - He does have a point about the youtube artist channel though. Those are pretty exclusive.---GingeBro 15:11, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - In the above "keep" vote, the other Wikis are copies of THIS version of Wikipedia and prove nothing but website mirroring. The Google search performed by that voter reveals a list of streaming, retail, and lyrics sites that you would get after searching for any musician. All other "sources" given in that vote merely indicate that the rapper exists, not that he has received reliable coverage. See the guidelines given in the original nomination, plus
- Keep - I did a little research and found out that he is signed with ]
- Keep/Incubate - The musician does qualify by WP:NSINGER standards, but doesn't have many strong references from reliable sources. If not kept, then I request it to be moved to the Draft space for further improvements. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 18:42, 17 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Since the SPI does not look like it will be timely resolved, This is a second !keep vote from the above ip 71..., made here [62], "The musician does qualify by WP:NSINGER standards, but doesn't have many strong references from reliable sources. If not kept, then I request it to be moved to the Draft space for further improvements." This is a duplicate !vote fro a meat or sockpuppet. duffbeerforme (talk) 15:07, 26 July 2019 (UTC)]
- I forgot to log in, that's why I reverted the changes, I wanted to make sure everyone was clear who was making the edit. Not a sockpuppet, simply forgetting to log in. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 20:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Since the SPI does not look like it will be timely resolved, This is a second !keep vote from the above ip 71..., made here [62], "The musician does qualify by
- Comment/Vote Change - I changed my stance to Keep from Weak Keep because the artist does pass notability standard for musicians as per WP:NSINGER. (Irrelevant bit of information: Also about a month ago I heard his song on a major Spotify editorial playlist. Another irrelevant note, the lyrics have been viewed a lot on Genius, which says something to me at least. He seems to have an engaged follower base, unlike the typical garage band wikipedia pages. That's my 2 cents.) --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 03:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment/Vote Change - I changed my stance to Keep from Weak Keep because the artist does pass notability standard for musicians as per
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- Delete. The first keep !vote basically sums up this articles problems. The WP:GHITS claim is not true. IP found blogs, wikis. Not reliable sources. The site mentioning him is a PR listing. Claim about verified is not true, youtube did not evaluate "coverage". Musicbrainz is just a listing. Mentions are not indepth coverage. On the later claim of AWAL, they are distributors, not the releasing record co. Nothing good for GNG or MUSIC. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment - @]
- OK, let's pretend for a moment that Insyde lied when he said he'd signed a distribution deal. What two albums are you talking about? Reading the article I see a total of zero. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:30, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- @WP:MUSICBIO, this artist may not pass. If we are interpreting it on a basis of "has released" or a basis of "has (possibly) released, but taken down". I don't really know what the policy is in this case, if you can point me to any answers similar to this and the outcome, I may have to amend my vote as needed. Also another thing to point out, in researching the artist, I found out that he is about to release more music on August 2, which is coming up fast, which would add the second 'album' entry on Spotify. I am not sure how strict we have been on that in the past as well. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 20:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)]
- @
- OK, let's pretend for a moment that Insyde lied when he said he'd signed a distribution deal. What two albums are you talking about? Reading the article I see a total of zero. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:30, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - @]
- Comment - I'm the nominator and I'm trying not to bludgeon this debate any further, but I hope admins will avoid a simple vote count and look closely at the reasoning behind the various "keep" votes above. The reasoning is faulty, to put it charitably. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 16:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)]
- I am genuinely interested in learning the reasoning behind your opinion. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 21:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Delete. Based on dearth of RS coverages/recognition and the fallacy of the rationales provided by editors voting keep. For a subject to pop up in a google search means little towards notability if all they are are for wiki mirrors, retail and download sites, which is the case here. A verified YouTube channel is not (according to one editor) ”only given to artists on large labels with contacts at YouTube, and it means that YouTube deemed there enough coverage and the chance of impersonation of this artist to give it the verified Artist mark proof”. It is, in fact available to anyone who simply applies. See [66].
As for AWAL, a simple investigation of their site reveals It is not a “label” at all, but rather a multi-tiered service for do-it-yourself artists and independent labels to build success. In structure it is not unlike those quasi-vanity publishing houses offered to authors to get published, providing distribution and marketing services, etc. on multi-tier levels where the creator retains the rights/liabilities, and the service gets a piece of the action (i.e. their “fee”) based proportional on the level of service. See: [67]. As you can see from that link, to be with AWAL simply means all an artist needs to do is pass their submission criteria (in other words, be weeded out from the amateurs by having merit that could lead to genuine success.) To be clear, an Artist or label that has a deal with AWAL can be notable for other reasons, but in and by itself, being with AWAL doesn’t meet WP:MUSICIAN criteria for a being signed to a notable label. The wording “signed a deal with AWAL” is nothing more than
Bottom line: all that’s left is the argument being made for keep is based on WP:EXISTS, with no evidence of significant, independent recognition. At best,
]- One thing I have to point out is that the YouTube answers link you put up there is for "Verification" which is only available to channels with over 100,000 subscribers. The link is NOT for "Official Artist Channel" applications see [68]. Those are two VERY different things.
- AWAL would fit under this definition of a Record Label . Having experience in the music industry, what you described is literally how record labels work. Record labels place their artists on tiers based on projected success. --- GingeBro (talk • contribs) 19:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Comment - I would also like to point out that this page has been viewed over a thousand times since the article was updated to include the bio of this artist (a 2 week period). Clearly people are searching for this article, and visiting it.
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:46, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Ranjini (singer)
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*Delete. Promotional article of a start out singer where sources are interviews and non independent reliable source.
- Delete. Long orphan article, almost entirely OR, sourced only by web ephemera and created by short-lived SPA. This is either vanity or fanpage. Agricola44 (talk) 14:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable singer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:48, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
General Register Office (disambiguation)
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I'm not sure what should happen here, but there's also an article called General Register Office, which is a bit confusing! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete as redundant. This dab page only has three legitimate (UK) entries (Guyana and Jamaica could be listed in the main article, but not in the dab page, as they aren't mentioned in their respective country articles), and was only missing Northern Ireland from the Examples section (which I've added). Clarityfiend (talk) 08:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- (Comment) Okay, thanks Clarityfiend. I will leave someone else to deal with the DAB page, and add a bit of detail about the South Australian one, which took me ages to work out and track down (which all started when I was trying to find out what a memorial was in the GRO usage of the word!). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. This page is indeed redundant since it lists article already listed at General Register Office. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:29, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:48, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Nathalie Gagné
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An impressive CV as a makeup-artist, but lacking in
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- Delete Nominator nailed it. At first glance, you say, "wow, alright!" Then you look hard at the sourcing. ]
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The result was keep. The article at the time of the nomination was not supported by sufficient sources to establish notability. However, whether to keep an article or not relies on what sources exist, not solely on what is present in the article. The early part of the discussion leans toward deletion and the later part of the discussion is in favor of keeping. In the middle of the discussion Haukurth introduced additional sources and an evaluation of their quality arguing compellingly that they are sufficient to establish the subject as notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. Comments following Haukurth’s information are nearly all in favor of keeping. It’s appropriate and important in this situation to give greater weight to the portion of the discussion that was based on more complete information, which in this case comprises the later support for keeping the article.
Haukurth should be commended for the doing the heavy lifting of finding the sources, essentially performing the
]Tom Kratman
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After multiple years of request for sourcing in talk, article is primarily self-sourced and author notability is not established. Page appears to have been created for possible promotional purposes. SlaterSteven asked for better, non-self-published sources as far back as December 2016 but they have not been found or forthcoming.
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*merge with Sad Puppies In effect the only RS we have for this is about the Hugo awards controversy. One mention in an article about other people as well and a load of primary sourcing. No real evidence of any independent notability as an author.Slatersteven (talk) 09:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- As doubts have been expressed as to my motivation.Slatersteven (talk) 17:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I've just removed a long disruptive statement by an IP that was the basis for my block of the IP. Nyttend (talk) 10:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
*Speedy Keep: Right off the get-go, this is a tainted AfD. I'm opposed in principle to any AfD started by a SPA, given the high likelihood of sock/meatpuppery inherent. When the next two participants are an editor who really does devote much of his user page in a screed against Mr. Kratman (however much he has the most edits to the article over the last four years) and seemingly Kratman himself, this is a trainwreck in progress. I make no judgment of the subject's notability -- however much I agree that there's a lot of primary sourcing that should be stricken from the article -- which can come in a subsequent neutral AfD. Ravenswing 10:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- So let me get this straight: your "speedy keep" argument comes down to the fact that though a neutral person started the AfD, the very person who seemingly has waited patiently for two and a half years for someone to post sources actually responded to the AfD, and a troll alleging that the person who asked for sources somehow has a personal vendetta even though they didn't start the AfD? That sounds less like an argument because no matter who starts this, all the troll has to do is run in screaming and you're going to give them a ]
- I have no knowledge or notion that you're a "neutral" person. In nearly fifteen years at AfD, my overwhelming experience is that someone who creates an account for the sole purpose of filing an AfD is very, very seldom "neutral." Genuine first-timers to Wikipedia don't have the institutional knowledge. Ravenswing 13:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- And most of those were tagging all the problems with the article, 2 years ago. Arguments at AFD should be based on the subjects notability, not how many times an editor had edited a page.Slatersteven (talk) 18:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- I have no knowledge or notion that you're a "neutral" person. In nearly fifteen years at AfD, my overwhelming experience is that someone who creates an account for the sole purpose of filing an AfD is very, very seldom "neutral." Genuine first-timers to Wikipedia don't have the institutional knowledge. Ravenswing 13:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- So let me get this straight: your "speedy keep" argument comes down to the fact that though a neutral person started the AfD, the very person who seemingly has waited patiently for two and a half years for someone to post sources actually responded to the AfD, and a troll alleging that the person who asked for sources somehow has a personal vendetta even though they didn't start the AfD? That sounds less like an argument because no matter who starts this, all the troll has to do is run in screaming and you're going to give them a ]
- Comment Whatever it is, this isn't a speedy keep, regardless of who started the AfD. The article is indeed poorly sourced, and it's not immediately clear that the author meets WP:NAUTHOR. I'm on mobile so haven't done a proper search for better sources, but this discussion needs to run its course. GirthSummit (blether) 12:39, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete and salt This is a Hugo Awards and that slate, including Kratman, led to a broad kerfuffle as described at Sad Puppies. However aside from involvement in a notable attempt to game a fan award, Kratman is a nobody of no significance within Science Fiction. Simonm223 (talk) 13:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Speedy keep and warn the troublemakers weaponizing the AfD process. It's completely transparent when the same people who started and are "delete" for the ongoing AfD attempt on the Michael Z. Williamson article started this here and are "Delete" here. Bob the Cannibal (talk) 14:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I haven't so much as commented on the Williamson AfD (though I did put in a brief 2c at AN/I) - Kratman isn't notable. He's a troll. Not even a good one. Simonm223 (talk) 14:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- same people, I was going to strike my vote as "involved", but I am not even aware of the other AFD, so who are these "people"? Nor did I vote delete here. Arguemtns should be based on the notability of the subject, not what you think other users are up to.Slatersteven (talk) 16:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Further comment I agree that the Sad Puppies debacle is covered by WP:UGC. Would like to know what others think before !voting though. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 15:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Comment You are spot-on about PW. Those synopses are ]
- Delete and Salt Non-notable writer whose only claim to fame is being used to push an agenda with the Hugo awards. The absolute lack of significant reviews or other independent citations is telling. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 16:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Apart from having been dragged into the puppies debacle (none of his doing, to his credit...), this author has not attracted the kind of coverage or influence that we require for an article about a fiction author. Thanks to Girth Summit for winkling out some more material; but by quality and authorship, I don't believe it is enough to satisfy our WP:NAUTHOR criteria. - I don't see any cause for a merge/mention at Sad Puppies either. Nominees are not detailed there, and before Kratman gets mentioned I expect to see a full-title featuring of Chuck Tingle's deathless raptor buggering epic. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete and Salt Served in the army and dubiously nominated for an award. Not enough for notability. --regentspark (comment) 17:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Thanks Simonm223 and Elmidae for you input on those sources. I was already leaning delete, so in light of what you've said I'm decided. I also note that in the Guardian piece about the Sad Puppies stuff, which is actually cited at Tom Kratman, his name doesn't appear. The fact that they didn't bother to mention his name in their article about it is telling. GirthSummit (blether) 17:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment If you need sources for this article, or any sci-fi/fantasy related Wikipedia article, I would recommend Mike Glyer's website "File770". That site is a notable source by every standard and it contains a couple of articles that mention Kratman, although most articles only mention him in passing and only one is explicitly about Kratman. Here they are: http://file770.com/tag/tom-kratman/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hopladamus (talk • contribs) 18:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment As much as I like File 770, and Mike Glyer, it's not a ]
- Why do you think that? It won several awards for the best fanzine and Mike Glyer is a known author. Also, it has a Wikipedia page (albeit one that also needs better sourcing). I admit I'm not a seasoned Wikipedia editor, but I can't find a problem with it as a source. It could be that I do not understand WP:RS very well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hopladamus (talk • contribs) 19:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- I'm sorry but it appears you don't understand WP:UGC which says that Wikipedia should not use any source that allows user-generated content as a source. So although Glyer's blog is a well-respected and well-known blog, it's still not considered a reliable source. Simonm223 (talk) 19:20, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Ah, okay, that makes sense. But wouldn't that make io9 the only notable sci-fi/fantasy news site, except maybe Locus Online and Publishers Weekly? Speaking of Publishers Weekly, they also have a few reviews of Kratman's books: https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/authorpage/tom-kratman.html Would these be acceptable as sources? Hopladamus (talk) 20:23, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- The Publisher's Weekly reviews are really more short synopses with the odd tentative comment attached; not really up to what one would expect from a citeable book review. (In my evaluation.) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- This is the same Mike Glyer who publishes rumors of authors being pedos, then when proof is provided that the alleged events never took place and the convention in question denounces the allegation, refuses to pull the rumors, which came from some rando passerby. It has zero credibility as a source.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.200.6 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- The Publisher's Weekly reviews are really more short synopses with the odd tentative comment attached; not really up to what one would expect from a citeable book review. (In my evaluation.) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, okay, that makes sense. But wouldn't that make io9 the only notable sci-fi/fantasy news site, except maybe Locus Online and Publishers Weekly? Speaking of Publishers Weekly, they also have a few reviews of Kratman's books: https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/authorpage/tom-kratman.html Would these be acceptable as sources? Hopladamus (talk) 20:23, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but it appears you don't understand
- Why do you think that? It won several awards for the best fanzine and Mike Glyer is a known author. Also, it has a Wikipedia page (albeit one that also needs better sourcing). I admit I'm not a seasoned Wikipedia editor, but I can't find a problem with it as a source. It could be that I do not understand
- You people are crazy and should be ashamed of yourselves Above, the deletionists are literally saying they want to kill this page because they don't like the subject's politics. They aren't even trying to hide it. I implore the rest of you, come to your senses and close this discussion. Wikipedia was never meant to be a political action committee and the people trying to make it one are the enemy. 2600:387:4:803:0:0:0:90 (talk) 21:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: Nice try, but they're saying nothing of the sort: the delete voters are pretty four-square in finding that the subject lacks notability. Unlike in the world of politics these days, Wikipedia's far less susceptible to the tactic of denying the facts at the top of your lungs and expecting the sheep to "baaa" worshipfully up at you. Ravenswing 21:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- That explains why all of a sudden, within 48 hours, at least three authors who've passed notability challenges before are suddenly randomly discovered by three different meatpuppets, and the pages of two others are vandalized. Though I note that on his private forum, Kratman asked that it be deleted since he finds association with this group to be degrading. I can see why.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.200.6 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Indeed - I for one don't know what the subject's politics are - I'd never heard of him before reviewing this article, and it doesn't mention his politics. Everything I know about him is what's in the article, and in the reviews I read - none of which mentions his politics. I spent quite a bit of time trying to find evidence of notability which might save the article, but drew a blank. GirthSummit (blether) 22:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- I am vaugley aware of his politics (well his stated views on some subjects, whether these are politics or a Heinlein like millitraianaism I have no idea). And there is the key, his "politics" are not not new if SF, and in fact hark back to E E Doc Smith and Mack Reynolds (assuming this was not satire). Dodgy power is right right wing politics was a staple of 50's and 60's SF. That did not (and does not) make those authors unnotable, not being notable does.Slatersteven (talk) 08:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Does not meet any wiki-notability standard, plain and simple. Even if we treated File 770 as a ]
Weak delete. I checked Locus Online's search and couldn't find anything either. I would be willing to reconsider (or support a merge/redirect to Sad Puppies) if there's enough for an article that meetsWP:V but I'm currently unconvinced there's enough for more than a sentence or two. The article as it currently stands is almost entirely cited from Kratman's own site. --Goobergunch|? 04:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Weak keep per Haukur. --Goobergunch|? 17:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment on notability and sources that everyone in such a hurry to vote agaist keeping might have missed: Would Balticon 40 as a featured guest in the literary field (http://www.balticon.org/Balticon40/program.html) work? Or does he have to have been on a panel with other writers as a subject matter expert on a panel topic? (http://www.balticon.org/program/b40schedule.pdf the Saturday at 10AM panel along with Hugo award winner Naomi Novik in a talk on "Civilian Challenges to Writing Military SF". Oh and the 9 PM panel on "History in SF&F". And two readings. And the Monday at 1 PM panel with David Sherman titled "Cui Bono in Bellum?")Oh wait, He's done that. (Or are the goalposts soon to be in motion?) Okay, well, if that isn't going to cut it, surely DragonCon 2007 with its estimated 30k+ attendees would be big enough? (https://archive.org/details/dragoncon_2007_program/page/n51 as a featured guest known for being an SF&F writer.) Oh and one last thing: The edit to say he "claims to" have served in the Army isn't going to fly either: [69] Only the one Tom (or Thomas) Kratman appears in a Google search for the name. Each is a lawyer, military officer, and/or "awful Military Sci-Fi author". I feel comfortable saying that's the same person as well as suggesting that, perhaps, a lot of editors here might want to spend more than 3 seconds on a search next time and perhaps set aside their prejudices. Bob the Cannibal (talk) 11:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- What we really need are reliable sources that discuss the author or their work, not random things they have been a speaker or panelist of. Nil Einne (talk) 11:53, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Agreed. I'm a published author myself who's been a featured panelist at Worldcon and at Boskone, when those conventions were rivaling Worldcon attendance. I don't fancy that any of that qualifies me for a Wikipedia article. Ravenswing 13:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- (WP:NAUTHOR which would require that Kratman be widely cited by his peers in reliable sources - which means even if a fan convention schedule was a reliable source it wouldn't be usable to confer notability as it does not include citations. So I'm sorry, but no. Simonm223 (talk) 12:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
Mr Kratman is a legitimate author with at least ten professionally published books. Deleting his page would be in direct contravention to the core goals of Wikipedia. UndeadDan (talk) 16:23, 22 July 2019 (UTC) — UndeadDan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- The bar to cross for authors is significantly higher than "ten professionally published books," especially in these days of vanity presses and print-on-demand houses. See WP:AUTHOR for the guidelines in force. Ravenswing 21:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Hence the term "professionally published," meaning he was paid an advance, by a major house, and collects royalties. If you are unfamiliar with this very basic industry term, you lack any credentials to comment on members of said community. WP:IDONTKNOWIT remains invalid. He seems to have been paid advances for at least a dozen books, and appears in several bestselling anthologies, and co-wrote with at least one NYT bestseller. Apparently, no one here is capable of using Google. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.200.6 (talk) 05:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Totally agree. This appears to be yet another politically motiviated attempt to 1984 someone out of existence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Txw42 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC) — Txw42 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- He is not the only right wing SF author around, but many of the rest have won awards or been the subject of major retrospectives (or even had films made based upon their books). Many of them have not been AFD'd, why not if its politics?Slatersteven (talk) 11:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Correlation may not be causation, but it is certainly suggestive of it. There's a lot of correlation here. Why is it that, of SF authors who are currently subjects for AfDs, all of them are conservative? -- Jay Maynard (talk) 15:55, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- We had three that I know of, and in one I vote keep. So I am not seeing any causation. Now I cannot speak for anyone else, and that is the problem when you generalize, you undermine your case if any of those who you generalize about can show how your generalization doer not really apply to them. Assuming of course this is even true, and that all of them are conservative.Slatersteven (talk) 16:03, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Read
- Right. We're supposed to WP:AGF, but the other side is allowed to throw around accusations of canvassing and meatpupetry and sockpuppetry with wild abandon. Pull the ohter one, it's got bells on. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 15:55, 24 July 2019 (UTC)]
- I believe it should be noted that Jmaynard is making this claim within minutes of participating in this discussion on Williamson's facebook page. [70] "Jay Maynard Actually, I expect Tom Kratman to be next." "Aaron Bosen They already tried." "Glenn Edward McNally Jay Maynard didnt they already go after tom" "Michael Z. Williamson Yeah, they're in the process of trying to delete his right now." This has been followed by him making this false and inciteful accusation of a conspiracy multiple times across multiple pages in rapid succession. [71] [72] [73] [74]. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 16:03, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- If it walks like a conspiracy and quacks like a conspiracy, then why shouldn't we conclude it's a conspiracy? And again, I'm not the one doing the inciting - not even on Mike's Facebook page, where I've defended Wikipedia before. You guys are making me look like a fool for doing so -- Jay Maynard (talk) 18:05, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- I have made no such claims.Slatersteven (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- I believe it should be noted that Jmaynard is making this claim within minutes of participating in this discussion on Williamson's facebook page. [70] "Jay Maynard Actually, I expect Tom Kratman to be next." "Aaron Bosen They already tried." "Glenn Edward McNally Jay Maynard didnt they already go after tom" "Michael Z. Williamson Yeah, they're in the process of trying to delete his right now." This has been followed by him making this false and inciteful accusation of a conspiracy multiple times across multiple pages in rapid succession. [71] [72] [73] [74]. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 16:03, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Keep. The subject meets
There is also enough "sustained critical attention" to make a good case for a keep based on
- Comment One review of a book he co-authored with ]
- The fanzine in question does not at all fall under WP:UGC which is about user-generated content like wikis or forums. Alexiad is basically a traditional publication with particular editors and bylines for its reviews. Haukur (talk) 13:51, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Also, in another AfD someone made a good point that arguments that a book satisfies [[WP:BOOK] make for ]
- WP:AUTHOR where notability is indeed inherited in the sense the critical coverage of the works translates into notability for the author. Haukur (talk) 13:51, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Actually I don't think that's the case. What is stated at WP:BKCRIT). I don't see the inverse case (notable book reflecting on notability of the author). Can you point that out? (NB, even if that was the case, we are nowhere near such a threshold through the coverage of Kratman's books.) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Yes, I'd be happy to clarify. WP:INHERIT has a comment in the source text that says "See #3". Part of #4 says "The person's work (or works) has: ... (c) won significant critical attention" and that is what I am referring to here. So, once we sort through the whole alphabet soup, the point is that authors inherit notability from "significant critical attention" to their works, e.g. book reviews and academic analysis. How much is 'significant' is left for us to decide but it should be decided in accordance with the present norms at AfD and we shouldn't apply a higher (or lower) bar here than we normally do. Haukur (talk) 14:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)]
- I don't disagree with your interpretation of policy. But I don't think Kratman has had anything close to significant critical attention. He has had some critical attention, but the biggest positive there seems to be reflected glory from John Ringo (who is certainly notable). And as such, I just don't think he meets the bar. Simonm223 (talk) 17:50, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- After doing some research I think Simonm223's point here about reflected glory is very strong. Baen seems to have a pattern with those dual titles and specifically, tying them to John Ringo seems to be a tactic for both pumping up Ringo's yearly output by shifting the workload (5 with one undercard, 6 with that, 5 with another, 4 with that one, 3 with yet another, and so on) and letting the newcomer tag along on the coattails. In fact, of 78 books listed for Ringo at GoodReads, only 10 are credited to Ringo as sole author. I'm probably dating myself making this comparison but it's like a promoter giving a new wrestler a short tag team run with Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair when they can't generate notability or a fanbase on their own. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 22:04, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- I don't disagree with your interpretation of policy. But I don't think Kratman has had anything close to significant critical attention. He has had some critical attention, but the biggest positive there seems to be reflected glory from John Ringo (who is certainly notable). And as such, I just don't think he meets the bar. Simonm223 (talk) 17:50, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I'd be happy to clarify.
- Actually I don't think that's the case. What is stated at
- The fanzine in question does not at all fall under
- Keep per Haukur (but maintain the primary-sources tag until the article has been improved). Fanzines are important in the world of science fiction and some have an excellent reputation. Almond Plate (talk) 14:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I think Haukur makes a compelling argument that notability is sufficient to meet standard guidelines for authors. Gnome de plume (talk) 15:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep.Meets all guidelines for notability I can see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desmay (talk • contribs)
- Keep. I agree with Haukur's reasoning--those sources, including the encyclopedia entry, the thesis, and the countless reviews, indicate sufficient notability to satisfy Wikipedia's requirements. AaronCanton (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Haukur has already outlined why, Slatersteven and Simonm223 have already demonstrated why not. Qwirkle (talk) 13:12, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I've read through the entire discussion above, and it looks like I'm joining the late bandwagon: Haukur's analysis convinces me that Kratman meets the criteria for notability necessary to be included in Wikipedia. TimBuck2 (talk) 13:23, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
A question, if he is so notable and we have all these great sources, why does the article still reply on the self promotional ones? Why has no one tried to improve the sourceing?Slatersteven (talk) 13:19, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Because it's only been two days and there are many things to do. I agree the article needs work. I've been gathering sources and looking at how to summarize them but it takes time to get the ducks in a row. Haukur (talk) 13:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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- I think it is clear that others disagree this is not beyond fixing. As to the rest, it was not me who deemed him notable, it was me finding the fact he found me notable risible.Slatersteven (talk) 13:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Mostly for the same bad reason as yourself, by the look of it. If you can wander into a mainstream mass-market bookstore and see an author advertised by a lifesize cardboard cutout, odds are they are notable in some context. Qwirkle (talk) 17:23, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- I think it is clear that others disagree this is not beyond fixing. As to the rest, it was not me who deemed him notable, it was me finding the fact he found me notable risible.Slatersteven (talk) 13:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per Haukur, needs the primary sources removed. Doug Weller talk 14:14, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- And for those watching on Facebook as we show them that once it can be shown that someone is notable by our criteria we won't delete their article, no, primary sources are not the gold standard. I won't copy it all here, if any of them are interested they can read these links:[79][80]. Doug Weller talk 14:19, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per sources found by Haukur. Also, I found and added his listing on the bestseller list of the ]
- Comment Bestseller lists don't establish notability. And this is where there's a contrast to the MZW article (which I do think is notable). Kratman's reviews are just lacking. As in we have basically one that is unambiguously non-promotional and it's a review of a book which he co-authored with John Ringo. When dealing with works of art it's critical and artistic impact that matter, not number of copies sold. Now these two factors often come together. But in the case of Kratman who, as I've mentioned elsewhere, has spent much of his career as a blog troll, there's been no significant critical or artistic impact outside of the walled garden of Baen and the even more walled garden of Castalia House. Simonm223 (talk) 13:29, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- In fact, WP:BOOKCRIT: "The book has been the subject[1] of two or more non-trivial[2] published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself.[3] This can include published works in all forms, such as... bestseller lists [4](see footnote at BOOKCRIT - not all bestseller lists quality)". AUTHORS, of course, derive notability from creating notable books. In other words, bestseller listings sdo contribute to E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:21, 26 July 2019 (UTC)]
- That's leaning really hard on WP:INHERIT. Moreso than I'm comfortable with in the case of such an unaccomplished author. Simonm223 (talk) 14:23, 26 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Also, let's be clear. It was one book, 8th most popular SF hardcover for one week on the WSJ sub-list a decade ago. This wasn't like it was NYT bestselling fiction all genres. Simonm223 (talk) 14:26, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Notability is cumulative and this adds a smidgen of notability. That said, I took the trouble of contesting your sweeping assertion that "Bestseller lists don't establish notability." because editors, especially new editors, learn the ropes by hearing such rules in AfD discussions. It is necessary to be specific about which bestseller lists confer notability so as not to mislead fellow editors who may take a firm but inaccurate statement from an experienced editor as gospel.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- There is a sneaking suspicion at the back of my mind that it was just this issue that brought me to Mr Kratmans page two years ago, the issue of whether or not an appearance in a niche and short duration best seller list is enough to confer notability (or something like that).Slatersteven (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- bestseller lists are "short duration" by definition. As a said, it confers a mere smidgen of notability. Notability here is relatively weak, supported by the sources cumulatively. Magic bullets are nice, but far more rare in real life than in genre novels.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- There is a sneaking suspicion at the back of my mind that it was just this issue that brought me to Mr Kratmans page two years ago, the issue of whether or not an appearance in a niche and short duration best seller list is enough to confer notability (or something like that).Slatersteven (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- That's leaning really hard on
- In fact,
- Weak Delete Under the standards of notability used with respect of living writers then he's not notable. I think there is a discussion to be had about those standards - I don't think he's any less deserving of documentation than the myriad one term state senators from Arkansas ion the 1870s or episodes of 1990s TV shows, but this isn't the place to have that debate.Nickpheas (talk) 10:41, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. If better sources do emerge, it's easy enough to undelete. Pinkbeast (talk) 22:44, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Update on book reviews. Here are the reviews of Kratman's books I know of so far: User:Haukurth/sandbox5. That's ten in all for his solo novels. Some of the sources are marginal but none is just a random guy with a random blog. Then there are 8 reviews for his work with Ringo. I feel it would be weird not to give Kratman some 'notability points' for those too. He's not a hidden ghostwriter but a fully credited co-author. Thomas Wagner notes in his review: "Tom Kratman (remember, in these kinds of "collaborations," the less famous guy does about 85% of the work) can string a sentence together and assemble a narrative thread that flows adequately". He then mentions Kratman 8 times in his review and Ringo only 2 times.[81] Haukur (talk) 16:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep As per criterion 3 of WP:AUTHOR. The Science Fiction Encyclopedia entry plus the reviews collected by Haukur (User:Haukurth/sandbox5) are enough to establish that. Db105 (talk) 09:28, 28 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Keep because of recent improvements to the article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:11, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Gary Brucato
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While accomplished, doesn't meet
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The article I created for this academic and author has been slated for discussion regarding possible deletion, due to an issue with notability guidelines. I have added his academic title, to address the second criterion noted, but do not know what is needed to address the first. He is the second half of a team that wrote the true crime book THE NEW EVIL, is responsible for co-developing a system for criminal classification which has wide implications for both academic and research fields, and has been covered in quite a number of places in the media outside of academia. This does not appear to be a situation in which an academic's work is only of relevance within his or her circles. Please let me know what is needed, as I may be able to provide the relevant information or citations. Additionally, I do not know how to add this discussion to the place you mention, where such conversation should be happening regarding the article. SH8901 (talk) 03:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I would ask that you provide clear answers on what to address, rather than delete the page. It was a lot of work to do this research and writing. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SH8901 (talk • contribs) 03:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. Brucato's citation record on Google Scholar (highest citation count 36, h-index 6) is too slim to support a pass of WP:AUTHOR if he had multiple books with multiple published reviews each. Here there only appears to be one newly published book, with a more-notable co-author (although the article tries to make it appear like there is more than one by going into some detail about a book that Brucato did not write). I did find a couple of acceptably-reliable reviews [82] [83] but I don't think it's enough. And the way this article is puffed up with minor details and even-more-minor sources makes me suspect promotion. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Delete Low GS citations do not support claims of notability made in this BLP. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:36, 22 July 2019 (UTC).
Brucato's h index, shown here, is higher than the minimum of 6: https://www.scopus.com/authid/detail.uri?authorId=56276336500
The widely-used gradations system created by Stone for The Anatomy of Evil was revamped with Brucato for The New Evil, and the two have made numerous media appearances together, as a team. Familiarity with the book would make this quite clear. SH8901 (talk) 06:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Other "acceptably reliable reviews" can be found at the bottom of the book's entry on the publisher's web site, given by eight prominent scientists and authors, and Publisher's Weekly: [1] SH8901 (talk) 07:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Finally, regarding the statement about "making it appear there is more than one book," it should be noted that The New Evil is the SECOND VOLUME of the first book referenced. The contributions of the second book make little sense without explaining how it builds upon the first.
It appears that, if an entry for Brucato is not accepted, an entry about the book might be a simple solution, as that would not require the same rigor, unless I am mistaken. However, it may be the opinion here that no page at all is worthwhile. Perhaps the group can let me know.SH8901 (talk) 07:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
As a final point, Criterion One states, "Criterion 1 can also be satisfied if the person has pioneered or developed a significant new concept, technique or idea, made a significant discovery or solved a major problem in their academic discipline." In the two Psychopharmacology articles given in the article, Brucato was the lead author, describing an entirely new model for psychosis and violence which is now the basis of a National Institute of Mental Health grant, which is described here: [2]
This appears to satisfy Criterion One.SH8901 (talk) 07:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
References
- Perhaps you have misunderstood this process. There is a box that should appear in the upper right of this discussion page with pointers for newcomers. But: it is not a process where participants act as advocates or antagonists, putting forward the best face they can make in front of some impartial judge. We, the participants, are ourselves the judges, and are asked both to be impartial and to neutrally evaluate how well the subject fits our notability processes. If you cannot be impartial, your participation is more likely to be detrimental than positive for the case (see my earlier remark about promotionalism). It is even less a process where we come in already having decided that the subject should have an article and try to twist our notability guidelines to fit. If the subject is not notable, he is not notable. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
My question for the group is whether the scale included in the book should simply have its own entry. Are there notability requirements for pages about systems of psychological or criminal categorization? This is what made putting the article together interesting. Perhaps such things can be written up, and authors don't necessarily need their own pages? I am new to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SH8901 (talk • contribs) 09:43, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Alternatively, can't some of the content-- details regarding the research on violence and psychosis, for instance-- be incorporated into other articles, appropriately? I simply want to try to find a way to not have wasted time with all this research and writing! I certainly appreciate the help.SH8901 (talk) 10:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Final question: Is it not better for me to voluntarily delete the page, identify additional resources, revamp it, and repost, rather than for the page to have a history of prior administrative deletion? I ask your kind assistance. Please let me know. Again, my main concern is that I do not wish to waste time with the research I do for these entries-- 2 out of the 3 I have done have been marked for deletion like so.SH8901 (talk) 10:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Nom basically has it right. The assertion by SH8901 of h-index = 6 being passing is false. Historically, we have taken h-index > 15 as being a fairly clear pass of PROF C1. Agricola44 (talk) 14:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Everyone's comments are clear, and I understand. No problem. But no one has answered about whether there are pieces of the write-up which would make sense as elements of other articles.SH8901 (talk) 15:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete This may be the first time I've ever seen a higher h-index on Scopus than on Google Scholar, but the number on Scopus is only 7 (versus 6), which isn't nearly enough, either. Nothing in principle prevents the references in this article being used as citations in others, as far as I can tell, but the text is uncomfortably promotional and shouldn't be incorporated into other pages. XOR'easter (talk) 15:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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So then there is no point in editing the article? The consensus seems clear. SH8901 (talk) 20:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
How do I delete it myself? SH8901 (talk) 21:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- @SH8901: Unless you are an admin, you can't. If you were the main/only author of the page's content, you can add the g7 speedy deletion template to the top of the page and request that it be deleted. IntoThinAir (talk) 22:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- And once an AfD has started, you shouldn't request deletion until the discussion runs it's course. Onel5969 TT me 23:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:48, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Henryk Witek
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This article has been through PROD, but never AFD. There is very limited evidence of notability here, and the article has been tagged with notability concerns for 5 years. According to Scopus, his h-index is 26, which is decent for a youngish professor at a major research university, but definitely does not establish notability by
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- Keep. Passes ]
- Comment - Regarding the author order in academic papers: for senior authors what matters is if they are corresponding authors (have an asterisk after their name in the author list). Frequently, names of group leaders are near the end of author lists but are followed by an asterisk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.227.221.26 (talk) 14:04, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- There is no evidence for that. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:34, 10 July 2019 (UTC).
- Regardless, having one Science paper doesn't make you a notable scientist. They publish dozens of papers per week. Bueller 007 (talk) 19:13, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I think four papers with 100 citations each in Google scholar should be enough for WP:PROF#C1, and we have enough other material on him to make an article. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:04, 21 July 2019 (UTC)]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Chilling (talk) 00:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per David Eppstein - Best Blake44 (talk) 23:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: meets PROF #1. --K.e.coffman (talk) 14:31, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Article meets PROF #1. AmericanAir88(talk) 11:51, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Two delete !votes are purely agreeing with the nomination, and more recent keeps showed that it meets WP:GNG. ]
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Lacks RS, indepth coverage, no significant contributions found. Meeanaya (talk) 04:46, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete - agree with Meeanaya. Nothing else to add. MaskedSinger (talk) 06:22, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: per mom Ceethekreator (talk) 14:28, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - Nothing to support notability. Barca (talk) 13:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - did the nom or the delete !voters look at the sources? The Daily News and the Standard are both national-level news sources in Zimbabwe. The topic receives significant coverage in both, in sources already in the article, not even counting BEFORE. The Nehanda Radio cites are mirrors of Daily News and should be discounted, but this meets GNG. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as per 78.26 above, the singer has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources from Zimbabwe such as The Nation, Daily News and The Herald which are already in the article, so the subject passes ]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Chilling (talk) 00:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:47, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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I found no notability per
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*Delete. One of the supplement company with fails Fails
]- Delete per Cassiopeia. All outside coverage is merely routine. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 03:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete – No substential coverage. Six employees is really small for a company. 02:06, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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