Talk:World War II

Discussions on this page often lead to previous arguments being restated. Please read recent comments, look in the archives, and review the FAQ before commenting.

This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

This  level-3 vital article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects.

Military history: Aviation / Historiography / Maritime / Memorials / Technology / African / Asian / South Pacific / Balkan / British / Canadian / Chinese / Dutch / European / French / German / Indian / Italian / Japanese / Korean / Middle East / North America / Polish / Russian & Soviet / South Asia / Spanish / World War II This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles Associated task forces: /  Military aviation task force Military historiography task force Maritime warfare task force Military memorials and cemeteries task force Military science, technology, and theory task force African military history task force Asian military history task force Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history task force Balkan military history task force (c. 500–present) British military history task force Canadian military history task force Chinese military history task force Dutch military history task force European military history task force French military history task force German military history task force Indian military history task force Italian military history task force (c. 500–present) Japanese military history task force Korean military history task force Middle Eastern military history task force North American military history task force Polish military history task force Russian, Soviet and CIS military history task force South Asian military history task force Spanish military history task force World War II task force Additional information: /  This article has failed an A-Class review. European history Top‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject European history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the history of Europe on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.European historyWikipedia:WikiProject European historyTemplate:WikiProject European historyEuropean history articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. welcome page so as to become familiar with the guidelines. If you would like to participate, please join the project and help with our open tasks.AlbaniaWikipedia:WikiProject AlbaniaTemplate:WikiProject AlbaniaAlbania articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Australia Top‑importance

World War II is within the scope of WikiProject Australia, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Australia and Australia-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the project page.AustraliaWikipedia:WikiProject AustraliaTemplate:WikiProject AustraliaAustralia articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. Need help improving this article? Ask a LibrarianWhat's this? at the National Library of Australia. The Wikimedia Australia chapter can be contacted via email to helpwikimedia.org.au for non-editorial assistance.

	Austria High‑importance
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Austria, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to articles about Austria on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please join the project.AustriaWikipedia:WikiProject AustriaTemplate:WikiProject AustriaAustria articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Bosnia and Herzegovina High‑importance

World War II is part of the WikiProject Bosnia and Herzegovina, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to Bosnia and Herzegovina on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.Bosnia and HerzegovinaWikipedia:WikiProject Bosnia and HerzegovinaTemplate:WikiProject Bosnia and HerzegovinaBosnia and Herzegovina articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Brazil: History Mid‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Brazil, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Brazil and related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BrazilWikipedia:WikiProject BrazilTemplate:WikiProject BrazilBrazil articles Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by the History of Brazil task force (assessed as Mid-importance).

Bulgaria High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Bulgaria, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Bulgaria on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BulgariaWikipedia:WikiProject BulgariaTemplate:WikiProject BulgariaBulgaria articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

	Canada: History / Military High‑importance
High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by WikiProject History of Canada. This article is supported by the joint Canadian military and military history task force

China High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject China, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of China related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChinaWikipedia:WikiProject ChinaTemplate:WikiProject ChinaChina-related articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Croatia High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Croatia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Croatia on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CroatiaWikipedia:WikiProject CroatiaTemplate:WikiProject CroatiaCroatia articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Czech Republic High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Czech Republic, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Czech Republic on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Czech RepublicWikipedia:WikiProject Czech RepublicTemplate:WikiProject Czech RepublicCzech Republic articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

France Top‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject France, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of France on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FranceWikipedia:WikiProject FranceTemplate:WikiProject FranceFrance articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Germany Top‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

	Greece High‑importance
High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Hungary High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Hungary, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Hungary on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HungaryWikipedia:WikiProject HungaryTemplate:WikiProject HungaryHungary articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Italy High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Italy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Italy on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ItalyWikipedia:WikiProject ItalyTemplate:WikiProject ItalyItaly articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

	India High‑importance
This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Japan: History / Military history High‑importance

High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by the History task force. This article is supported by the joint Japanese military history task force. WikiProject Japan to do list: edit history watch purge Peer review: Kako River (Japan) A-class review: None Featured content candidates –  Articles: None Pictures: None Lists: None Good article nominations: Pure Japanese, Vinland Saga (TV series), Japanese destroyer Ume (1944), Mai Fujisawa, Godzilla Minus One Add requested images to articles that need them. Pages for Deletion: Participate in Japan-related deletion discussions. Improve and expand Japan-related stubs. Create some requested articles. Help translate an article from the Japanese Wikipedia into English. Assess unassessed articles

Lithuania Top‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lithuania, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Lithuania on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LithuaniaWikipedia:WikiProject LithuaniaTemplate:WikiProject LithuaniaLithuania articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Moldova Top‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Moldova, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Moldova on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MoldovaWikipedia:WikiProject MoldovaTemplate:WikiProject MoldovaMoldova articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

	Netherlands
This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Netherlands, an attempt to create, expand, and improve articles related to the Netherlands on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page where you can join the project or contribute to the discussion.NetherlandsWikipedia:WikiProject NetherlandsTemplate:WikiProject NetherlandsNetherlands articles

Poland Top‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Poland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Poland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PolandWikipedia:WikiProject PolandTemplate:WikiProject PolandPoland articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Romania Top‑importance

Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. To-do list: edit history watch purge Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Article requests : Help GA -status Help WP:GOOD Request an article or create a missing one Assess : Assess all articles tagged for this project that have not been assessed for quality Cleanup : Review the Romania-related cleanup listing Normalize the use of " Northern Bessarabia" (Bessarabian part of Chernivtsi Oblast ) all over Wikipedia Disambiguation : Disambiguate project articles and get points Expand : Expand Postage stamps and postal history of Romania Translate : Translate Romania-related articles from the Romanian Wikipedia Translate and keep in sync with the project versions in other languages: Projet:Roumanie (in French), Proiect:România (in Romanian), Проект:Румыния (in Russian) FC CFR Timișoara . Other : Make use in articles of the newly contributed images (about 5800!!) from the Wiki Loves Monuments Romania 2011 (WLM Romania external site) Review newly created Romania-related articles Check the articles needing expert attention or other work, and help with some of the items Create Awards for WikiProject Romania Contribute photos related to Romania at Commons:WikiProject Romania. Organize Romania related images on Commons. See also media-related tasks

Russia: History / Military Top‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Russia, a WikiProject dedicated to coverage of Russia on Wikipedia. To participate: Feel free to edit the article attached to this page, join up at the project page, or contribute to the project discussion.RussiaWikipedia:WikiProject RussiaTemplate:WikiProject RussiaRussia articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by the history of Russia task force. This article is supported by the Russian, Soviet, and CIS military history task force.

Serbia High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Serbia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Serbia on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SerbiaWikipedia:WikiProject SerbiaTemplate:WikiProject SerbiaSerbia articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Slovakia High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Slovakia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to Slovakia on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SlovakiaWikipedia:WikiProject SlovakiaTemplate:WikiProject SlovakiaSlovakia articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Slovenia High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Slovenia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Slovenia on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SloveniaWikipedia:WikiProject SloveniaTemplate:WikiProject SloveniaSlovenia articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. WikiProject Slovenia to-do list: edit history watch purge Here are some tasks you can do (watch): Requests: Protestant Reformation in the Slovene Lands (sl), Metlika black (sl) Wikify: Russia–Slovenia relations Unreferenced: Inner Carniola, Litostroj, Pavel Golia, Predjama Castle Cleanup: Edvard Ravnikar, Škofja Loka, Inex-Adria Aviopromet Flight 1308 Expand: Education in Slovenia Stubs: Ajdovi žganci, Čop Street, Omar Naber, Radenska NPOV: Gregorij Rožman, Siddharta (band) Portal maintenance: Update News, Did you know, announcements, and suggest Selected article and picture Help assess the quality of 63 unassessed articles Take/Add requested photographs

Soviet Union Top‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Soviet Union, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Soviet UnionWikipedia:WikiProject Soviet UnionTemplate:WikiProject Soviet UnionSoviet Union articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

United Kingdom High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States: Military history / History Top‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by WikiProject Military history - U.S. military history task force. This article is supported by WikiProject U.S. history (assessed as Top-importance). This article has been selected for use on the United States portal.

	Vietnam High‑importance
This article is part of WikiProject Vietnam, an attempt to create a comprehensive, neutral, and accurate representation of Vietnam on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.VietnamWikipedia:WikiProject VietnamTemplate:WikiProject VietnamVietnam articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Zimbabwe: Rhodesia Mid‑importance

World War II is within the scope of WikiProject Zimbabwe, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Zimbabwe and Zimbabwe-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the project page.ZimbabweWikipedia:WikiProject ZimbabweTemplate:WikiProject ZimbabweZimbabwe articles Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by Rhodesia task force (assessed as High-importance). WikiProject Zimbabwe open tasks: edit history watch purge Zimbabwe-related tasks You can help! Here are some Zimbabwe related tasks you can do: Monarchy of Rhodesia, more ... Econet Wireless, Khame Ruins, Wildlife of Zimbabwe Category:Zimbabwe stubs Category sorting : Factual Accuracy : Update: NPOV : Citations : Style or Cleanup : Expand: Related Wikiprojects: Zimbabwe-related topics notice board - Collaboration Project view • edit • discuss • history • watch

International relations High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

	Nepal Low‑importance
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Nepal, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Nepal-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page and add your name to the member's list.NepalWikipedia:WikiProject NepalTemplate:WikiProject NepalNepal articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Section sizes Section size for World War II (39 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 11,875 11,875 Start and end dates 6,860 6,860 History 13 110,615 Background 50 8,856 Aftermath of World War I 3,135 3,135 Germany 2,202 2,202 European treaties 1,431 1,431 Asia 2,038 2,038 Pre-war events 22 14,506 Italian invasion of Ethiopia (1935) 1,892 1,892 Spanish Civil War (1936–1939) 1,202 1,202 Japanese invasion of China (1937) 3,110 3,110 Soviet–Japanese border conflicts 1,769 1,769 European occupations and agreements 6,511 6,511 Course of the war 149 87,240 War breaks out in Europe (1939–1940) 9,502 9,502 Western Europe (1940–1941) 7,460 7,460 Mediterranean (1940–1941) 3,797 3,797 Axis attack on the Soviet Union (1941) 8,973 8,973 War breaks out in the Pacific (1941) 13,514 13,514 Axis advance stalls (1942–1943) 3,765 14,776 Pacific (1942–1943) 5,160 5,160 Eastern Front (1942–1943) 2,186 2,186 Western Europe/Atlantic and Mediterranean (1942–1943) 3,665 3,665 Allies gain momentum (1943–1944) 8,769 8,769 Allies close in (1944) 8,550 8,550 Axis collapse and Allied victory (1944–1945) 11,750 11,750 Aftermath 16,291 16,291 Impact 52 42,163 Casualties and war crimes 14,292 14,292 Genocide, concentration camps, and slave labour 7,376 7,376 Occupation 3,738 3,738 Home fronts and production 5,229 5,229 Advances in technology and its application 11,476 11,476 See also 85 85 Notes 24 24 Citations 32 32 References 62,677 62,677 External links 4,100 4,100 Total 254,722 254,722

Other talk page banners

Daily pageviews of this article A graph should have been displayed here but graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at pageviews.wmcloud.org This article has been viewed enough times to make it onto the all-time Top 100 list. It has had 136 million views since December 2007. This article has been viewed enough times in a single year to make it into the Top 50 Report annual list. This happened in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2017. This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report 38 times. The weeks in which this happened: January 27 to February 2, 2013 February 17 to 23, 2013 February 24 to March 2, 2013 March 3 to 9, 2013 March 10 to 16, 2013 March 17 to 23, 2013 March 24 to 30, 2013 March 31 to April 6, 2013 April 7 to 13, 2013 April 14 to 20, 2013 April 21 to 27, 2013 April 28 to May 4, 2013 May 5 to 11, 2013 May 12 to 18, 2013 May 19 to 25, 2013 May 26 to June 1, 2013 June 2 to 8, 2013 June 9 to 15, 2013 June 16 to 22, 2013 June 23 to 29, 2013 June 30 to July 6, 2013 July 7 to 13, 2013 July 14 to 20, 2013 July 21 to 27, 2013 July 28 to August 3, 2013 September 15 to 21, 2013 September 22 to 28, 2013 September 29 to October 5, 2013 October 6 to 12, 2013 October 13 to 19, 2013 October 20 to 26, 2013 October 27 to November 2, 2013 November 3 to 9, 2013 November 10 to 16, 2013 November 17 to 23, 2013 November 24 to 30, 2013 December 1 to 7, 2013 December 8 to 14, 2013

Archives

Chronological archives 2001–2005: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 2006: 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 2007: 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28 2008: 29, 30, 31 2009: 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 37 2010: 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44 2011: 45, 46 2012: 47, 48 2013: 49 2014–2015: 50, 51 2016: 52 2017: 53 2018–19: 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59 2020–present: 60, 61, 62, 63, 64 Topical archives Combatants: Archive 1 (2006), Archive 2 (2007) Article Length, Photos, Casus Belli, Infobox, Start date

This page has archives. Sections older than 60 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 4 sections are present.

There is a request, submitted by Catfurball, for an audio version of this article to be created. For further information, see WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia. The rationale behind the request is: "Important".

Taking a look in World War I, we can clearly, no doubt, see that the introduction sentence does not conform the consistency as belongs to World War II, where World War I put the start and the end in full date format, and enclosed in brackets, but World War II says otherwise. Checking these for reference:
World War I

It seems OK. This article is in much better shape than the World War I article. Nick-D (talk) 02:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem with either, really. No reason they have to be identical.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:58, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jack Upland, @Nick-D, while both of you may find it appropriate and no changes need to be evaluated; however, identical lead statements make the two pages about two world wars looks seamless and consistent. Just small but make a huge leap! 2405:4802:64C7:BF70:20BF:895B:4915:B58A (talk) 04:13, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a convincing reason. Slatersteven (talk) 16:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox should have a photo from the chinese theater. It was a major theater and it deserves to have recognition in the photo collage. Yedaman54 (talk) 08:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

37.222.96.160 (talk) 12:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC) world war 2 was the most deadly war in history with really dangerous arms such as atomic bombs, nuclear bombs, nuclear arms and a lot more![reply]

SO what do you want us to add? Slatersteven (talk) 13:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a

"change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 16:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply

]

I think this photo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese_Special_Naval_Landing_Forces_in_Battle_of_Shanghai_1937.jpg would be better then the somewhat blurry image that is used at the moment (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shanghai1937IJA_ruins.jpg) Ruttoperuna (talk) 20:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ThunderGit: This order of commanders and leaders has been discussed many times, e.g., Talk:World War II/Archive 61#RfC: Main Allied Leaders. It cannot be changed without a discussion with other editors on this Talk page.

I appreciate your efforts to improve Wikipedia, but I suggest you focus on other issues. This issue has been discussed extensively for years. Accordingly, I feel compelled to revert your edit again. DavidMCEddy (talk) 20:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

To fix grammar. 66.206.114.194 (talk) 17:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to tell us what it is. Slatersteven (talk) 17:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect The Greater War has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 18 § The Greater War until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you actually think Bulgaria fought on the German side so its interesting how its not on the Axis team when Bulgaria joined the 3th Reich without having to fight so,can you please add it 84.54.153.33 (talk) 19:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Err, where is it missing from? Slatersteven (talk) 10:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Additional Reading

• World War II: Summary, combatants & facts, A&E Television Networks, 2024-03-13
• Grooms, Thomas B. (2021-01-22), World War II (U.S. National Park Service). ThomasB15223 (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Question: where exactly should these go and why them and not the countless others that can easily be found? M.Bitton (talk) 21:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. TylerBurden (talk) 18:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven lets discuss here.

Sorry, I didn't see your edit reverting me since I was already working on my next one.

Please explain why you reverted my edits and we can go from there Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 15:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see what value your mass edit has. We do not need all that in the lede, people can read the article and know who the great powers were. Nor do we need links to words like civilian. Simply put there were too many changes that were problematic to single one to. Slatersteven (talk) 15:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That note was because, in order to say that all the great powers were involved, it's not unreasonable to say who we are saying was involved. And whats wrong with linking to civilian. Understanding what a civilian is is pretty important to know what the sentence means@Slatersteven Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 16:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We do, the info box, and the body and in wiki links in the lede. Slatersteven (talk) 16:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Info box says main leaders, not great powers. should we change it. And how about my other things@Slatersteven Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 16:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Participants. Slatersteven (talk) 16:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no place in the article saying what the Great powers of the time where, and that they were great powers. And how about everything else, if that was your only issue can I reinstate the rest of my edit@Slatersteven Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 18:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As as I said there were just too many issues (one other of which I have already mentioned). Also who said these are the great powers? Slatersteven (talk) 18:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of modern great powers does, and it is quite well referenced. And I can't fix things if you don't tell me what you don't like@Slatersteven Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 18:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are not an RS, and I did say at least one other, but OK. Slatersteven (talk) 18:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We aren't, but what I am saying is that that articles claim of them being a great power are backed up by sources. I know that if we wanted to actually cite we would need to get the citations from the article, not cite it, but for the purposes of this discussion can you just lookat that article. And I told you my reason for the civilian thing but you never responded@Slatersteven Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 18:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that list does not seem well sourced, which sources says Italy was a great power? Slatersteven (talk) 18:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually thats a great point, it seems a bit borderline but in it (Least of the great powers)@Slatersteven Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 18:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, when you're making "lots of changes" to a somewhat stable, essentially complete article, it's best to explain in the edit summary what kinds of changes you're making and why. If the changes are hard to explain, then I've found it's best to break down into separate edits with their own explanations. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that's fair. Per WP:Work in Progress articles aren't done.@StefenTower Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 16:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

lede

We link in the section on the start of the war to the invasion Poland, and to Poland, nor do we need to say when it started as we already do, we do not need it again. Nor do we need a link to civilian, or indeed most of the other wiki links you created, they are meant only where people might not know what we mean. We also need to only link once to a page. That is just the lede. Slatersteven (talk) 18:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"they are meant only where people might not know what we mean" - that's true of all links and useless. every link in the article someone added is because someone might not know what they mean, and everything link could be linked under the possibly that someone doesn't know what it means. didn't know about the only linking once. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 18:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See

wp:overlinking. Slatersteven (talk) 18:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply

]

Time for others to chip in, this is bludgeoning. Slatersteven (talk) 18:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In fairness, we are the 2 people with a dispute, so it's not unreasonable that we are the 2 main people discussing. Also, didn't know about the overlinking. Means I probably shouldn't have linked civilian, but I think some of those links still make sense. And I still think we should change it from "Main Powers" to "Great Powers" in the infobox to clarify or reinsert my footnote. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the reverts here. Many of the edits were over-linking - this included repeatedly linking some articles such as Empire of Japan. The statement on who the supposed 'great powers' were adds nothing of use to the lead, and doesn't reflect modern historical writing, which includes a lot of debate over the status of France, Italy and - to a much lesser extent - the UK at the time given that their empires may have been overall burdens. The modern literature on the UK's role in the war also tends to stress the importance of the Commonwealth countries, India and key colonies to this as well. Making edits like this with hopelessly vague edit summaries is also a very poor practice. Nick-D (talk) 22:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cite error: There are <ref group=lower-alpha> tags or {{efn}} templates on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}} template or {{notelist}} template (see the help page).