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Crocodilian

closed discussion

I know this year's WikiCup is coming to an end but would you like to work on Crocodilia with me? Maybe we can get it done for January. LittleJerry (talk) 01:39, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd be delighted to work on Crocodilia with you, but not until after the end of October. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:56, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
So when you said "end of October" where you saying that just in case sea went on too long? LittleJerry (talk) 18:34, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
The WikiCup ends at the end of October so I will have more time then for other things. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:46, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Let me know when you're ready. Could you work on Taxonomy and evolution (maybe by sandbox)? I could send/refer you some papers. I prefer we mostly re-write the article from scratch. LittleJerry (talk) 19:44, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
OK. I know little about crocodilians and will be learning as we go along. Any useful sources you have would be helpful. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:49, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Do you have books on reptiles and amphibians? I would recommend The Firefly Encyclopedia of Reptiles and Amphibians or Crocodile: Evolution's Greatest Survivor. LittleJerry (talk) 19:49, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
I have a very good book on amphibians. I'll see what the library has on reptiles. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Could you write in US English? LittleJerry (talk) 03:06, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
I can try. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Things now having eased off with regards to the WikiCup, I have made a start on the Taxonomy and evolution section(s) in my userspace. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:58, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay them, I'll PM you some papers. Here's one that's free access [1]. LittleJerry (talk) 20:33, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
This article provides a clade tree for the modern species (expect for one). LittleJerry (talk) 18:14, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Great job on evolution and locomotion, could you maybe expand a little more on skins and scales? LittleJerry (talk) 22:18, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Sure. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I intend to start working on thermoregulation as my book has a useful section. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:02, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Does the book contain more information on metabolism (which is related to cold-bloodedness) and sexual organs? LittleJerry (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Its got 15 pages on "Food and feeding habits", 6 pages on "Mortality and predators", 10 on "Social behaviour", 15 on "Reproduction" and 20 on "Habitats". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Wow! Well feel free to join in on "Ecology and life history". I started on Feeding and was planning on "Reproduction and parenting" "Growth and mortality" and "Communication" subsections" Which of these would you be able to do? LittleJerry (talk) 19:45, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Shall I work on "Social behaviour" which would include "Communication"? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:04, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Although I already put in some information on that. LittleJerry (talk) 20:25, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh and when it comes to books that are edited and have multiple authors, each one should be credited. See Elephant for formatting. LittleJerry (talk) 23:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
I'll start working on reproduction and parenting. Should I get into courtship and such? That involves lots of communication. LittleJerry (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, carry on. As you may have noticed, I got sidetracked into Osmoregulation. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I think it would be better if communication had its own section and I think reproductive behavior can include information on dominance hierarchies. I've included information on social spacing in the lead of "Ecology and behavior". You can expand it if you want. Could you also add more on habitats? LittleJerry (talk) 19:09, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Please fix the rest of the rest of the Ross citations. You can't cite the same thing twice. LittleJerry (talk) 21:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes I was thinking that would be a good idea but inertia ruled the day! What about the Griggs reference? The pdf link does not work, but also, the source is used multiple times and could be treated like a book as it has page numbers. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:24, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
The pdf link works for me. Also for Grigg we are only citing one page range/section. Not multiple throughout the book. LittleJerry (talk) 21:14, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Grigg has 4 chapters on Crocodilians, so we might want to cite him as a book and then refer either to chapters or to specific page ranges. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:03, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
I think that is a good idea. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
I disagree, we are only citing one chapter/page range. LittleJerry (talk) 19:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
I'll probably spilt "respiration, circulation and digestion" into separate sections. I'll work on expanding the former two, could you do the latter? Maybe include excretion? LittleJerry (talk) 22:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
I will work on Digestion, but I think Excretion is sufficiently covered in the Osmoregulation section. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
It seems my Wyle book won't arrive until December. Does your book talk about crocodilians in popular culture? (I was thinking specifically of Wally Gator and the alligators from Fantasia) LittleJerry (talk) 23:57, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
I have returned my book to the library but could get it out again if required. I regard the culture section of the article as a necessary but bothersome section and my book is twenty years old. I will glance through it next time I am in town and will see if it has anything relevant. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:01, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay then. Do you know how to copyedit? LittleJerry (talk) 14:23, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and does the book state the length and weight of the smallest crocodilians? (I could only find length). LittleJerry (talk) 14:31, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
It only had the length I think. I propose to leave copyediting to someone competent in American English spelling and phraseology. Instead, I will go through the references and try to iron out any inconsistencies. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I just got my book. Unfortunately it doesn't mention the above examples, maybe yours will. LittleJerry (talk) 00:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Neither of the croc books I now have do so either. However, the article is now (surely) easily ready for GA, and anything the reviewer suggests will probably be useful for further progress, so why don't we just go for it? Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I will soon. LittleJerry (talk) 19:40, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Far be it from me, but perhaps we should work the Kleggs in somehow. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:10, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

GA review has begun. LittleJerry (talk) 21:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Need you for GA review. LittleJerry (talk) 21:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Does your book mention crocodilians eating amphibians? I wishing I could add them to this sentence ".....generalised diets and opportunistically feed on invertebrates, fish, snakes, turtles, birds, and mammals." my source does mention them. LittleJerry (talk) 01:12, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes it does. Crocodilia is now nominated for DYK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:59, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, well please add the source and amphibian to the sentence. I think its ready for FAC after that. LittleJerry (talk) 02:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
For your information, I will be away from home and my computer until Thursday 5th December but you are welcome to carry on anyway. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:24, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
I'll probably nominate it when you return, so you can take credit as a nominator. LittleJerry (talk) 00:46, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Would you be able to nominate it and put all three of our things in? LittleJerry (talk) 03:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
OK Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
What should be done with the "Ecological role" subsection? Should it be removed? LittleJerry (talk) 18:45, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I will do some work on it. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:27, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I need your help at FAC. LittleJerry (talk) 16:46, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
I didn't write the "Respiration" section and I don't know much about the subject. My book deals with respiration in a single paragraph. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:22, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Does your book discuss how deep they dive? LittleJerry (talk) 20:27, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Not as far as I can see. Most of them cruise around on the surface don't they?
Nevermind, problem solved. LittleJerry (talk) 20:37, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Need you for FAC. LittleJerry (talk) 16:10, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I think I may have answered the two queries on osmoregulation with a new ref; Kelly p. 68 did not support the odd claim about absorption through that thick scaly skin (always struck me as unlikely...); I suspect the phrase arose from something like 'absorption must be through the skin or other membranes [... and we don't imagine it's the skin, folks]'. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:18, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Tomorrow is the end of the Stub Contest and after that I will return to my usual routine and pay some attention to the FAC. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:09, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, because we really need you now. LittleJerry (talk) 14:49, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 October newsletter

The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions). Our final nine were as follows:

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Thanks folks! As it happens Sea is today's featured article. It has stood me in such good stead during the competition both at DYK and GA, and then at FA in the final round. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:00, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Congratulations! (starts hunting for high-profile chemical articles to save myself next year...uhhhh...iron? thorium? halogen?) Double sharp (talk) 09:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
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DYK for Chinchillidae

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DYK for Southern viscacha

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DYK for Northern viscacha

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Edits to Sea

Hi, I've just seen that an editor is starting to delete paragraphs from Sea ... perhaps we can get this stopped at least until after the front page appearance. I've pinged him ... feel free to help. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:31, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I think we should put the page back to what it was before WolfmanSF made his changes. Sea is meant to be on the front page tomorrow. When Common toad appeared as today's featured article it had a torrid day! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:54, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Actually I think it very bad that any editor should make such sweeping changes to a Featured Article without prior consultation. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it was unthinking; to be charitable, I expect it was just ill-informed. I suggest you put it back now with a note that we're happy to discuss after tomorrow. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:58, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Actually, looking more carefully at what has been done, I am not unhappy at the alterations that were made. The smaller edits are reasonable while the big addition of new material was then removed. Let's hope the editor concerned leaves the article alone until after tomorrow. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:36, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
All right. I think it a pity that we've now got a level 3 heading to interrupt the pattern, but that's a minor aesthetic detail. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:22, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
I've changed it to a level 2 heading. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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article you created appreciated, tact you showed in a horridly frustrating situation *much* appreciated

Well, looking over your practically-bare talkpage, I can tell that you almost never get complimented for a job well done. Sorry about that, we wikipedians are a prickly bunch, loners mostly, concentrating on improving articles and such. So I figured you might need a pat on the back. Consider it done. I ran across some page about a marine species, which you created, and then brought to good article status, single-handedly. That in itself deserves the congratulations of all right-thinking wikipedians, so you have my thanks. Then, somebody combatitive swooped in, made wild accusations, template-spammed your article, did some pretty drastic but clearly pointless reworking, and then stormed off again, honking their horn. Did you lose your cool? Did you lash out? Did you call in a hundred admins? Not that I can tell. You stuck with pillar four, in a very difficult pickle, which was absolutely positively no fault of yours. Everything you did was not just right, it was unassailably right... and when somebody saw fit to assail you anyhoo, you resisted the urge to stoop to their level. They have since been banned, per wp:boomerang, when on some unrelated matter *they* attempted to bring in a hundred admins to enforce *their* will on other editors. The wheels of wikiJustice sometimes grind exceedingly slow, but they grind fine, and they grind fair. You, madam, are a pearl in the sea of wikipedians. For sticking firm to pillar four, I award you my heartfelt gratitude. Smooth sailing. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:04, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

That's quite a complement, I think ;-) Thanks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:31, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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Just thought I'd thank you for reviewing and recommending St. Clair Drake for DYK earlier this week -- it's much appreciated! :-) Jwrosenzweig (talk) 01:44, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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Awarded to Cwmhiraeth, WikiCup 2013 champion! J Milburn (talkemail) and The ed17 (talkemail) 11:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
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