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The result was merge to

WP:JNN stuff), with the most suitable entry seeming to be Yantacaw Brook. ansh666 20:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Yantacaw Brook Park, New Jersey

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This is a municipal park, it does not meet

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  • Delete This municipal park does not meet notability guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or Merge / Redirect to
    WP:BEFORE, which requires seeking alternatives to deletion. Furthermore, the box that displays above this page when editing rather clearly states "When discussing an article, remember to consider alternatives to deletion. If you think the article could be a disambiguation page, redirected or merged to another article, then consider recommending "Disambiguation", "Redirect" or "Merge" instead of deletion. Similarly, if another editor has proposed an alternative to deletion but you think the article should be deleted instead, please elaborate why."
    "Why?" is indeed the question. Why do we continue to tolerate the abuse of process here at AfD from an editor who refuses to comply with policy? Alansohn (talk) Alansohn (talk) 02:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Rusf10 (talk) 06:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Keep my big mouth shut? Please read
WP:NPA. Notability is on a standalone basis. Do you oppose a merge to Montclair, New Jersey or do you simply refuse to comply with deletion policy? Alansohn (talk) 06:43, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Second sentence of NPA, "Comment on content, not on the contributor.", maybe you need to read it. Almost every deletion discussion "the nominator this" or "the nominator that" And "keep your big mouth shut" (I'll say it again) is accurate reflection of the fact that you feel the need to add lengthy attacks on me to deletion discussions. The only reliable source that exists would be this: [[1]] and that is simply not enough. There is nothing worth merging. A list of parks might be appropriate in the Montclair article buts that's it.--
Rusf10 (talk) 07:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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I have commented on content *AND* I will comment on your continuing abuse of process and failure by the nominator to follow policy. The persistent failure to comply with policy regarding consideration of a merge only adds to the problems you've created and refused to address. If you've got a problem, why not run off to
WP:ANI for the third, fourth and fifth time. The previous attempts haven't accomplished much. Alansohn (talk) 21:03, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Note that I have amended ,my !vote as the sources identified demonstrate independent notability; worst case is that the article should be merged into Yantacaw Brook or the municipal article, a choice never considered by the nominator. Alansohn (talk) 02:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. At a minimum, Merging to a brook or municipality article is preferable to outright deletion. However this is a municipal park and it is reasonable to believe that substantial sources do exist, even if they are not online and readily available. In similar AFD
    wp:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. Comments like Maybe you can explain why a park that can't even be properly sourced deserves mentioning anywhere are just snide and unhelpful. --Doncram (talk) 21:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Since when do we get to presume that sources exist? (especially when we're trying to establish notability) Where's the policy that say to presume sourcing exists? We either know they exist or they don't. You and alansohn want to keep throwing
Rusf10 (talk) 21:56, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Offhand, Alansohn's comments sound like they are frustrated but not derisive.
For lots of types of places, including historic sites listed on the U.S. National Register, and museums, and miniature train rides, and caves, and other public attractions including parks, we know from experience that sources will usually exist. Specifically there are currently about 2,300 historic site articles that are inadequately sourced. You are free to tag them, but if you proceed with nominating them for deletion you will lose 2,300 times over. There are other topics too, like historic newspapers and publishers, where tagging but not deletion-nominating is appropriate. --Doncram (talk) 22:04, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with that argument is nothing indicates that this park is a historic site. I also can't believe we give auto-notability to miniature train rides.--
Rusf10 (talk) 00:48, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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I didn't say the park is a registered historic site. It is like those, where notability can be presumed. What is written at wp:COMMONOUTCOMES oughta be expanded about public attractions in general.
About miniature train rides, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michigan AuSable Valley Railroad is the important precedent. Among other arguments, it was pointed out that as a transportation system carrying members of the public, it would have to pass state and/or other transportation system requirements, inspections, etc., which must generate documentation. --Doncram (talk) 01:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'm finding plenty of coverage of the park and its history as part of the Sigler Farm, coverage of its bikeways, and coverage of other historical aspects such as Eli Manning filming a Toyota commercial at the park. This a well written and comprehensive article that documents a very notable park that includes significant water features, amenities, amd cultural significance in a populated area. FloridaArmy (talk) 22:06, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Let me see I I understand this. What you're saying is the park is notable because of its proximity to a historical farm (its not even next to it, a few blocks away, but even so) and because Eli Manning filmed a commercial there? So I suppose every place Eli Manning walks into automatically becomes notable too? Notability is
Rusf10 (talk) 00:55, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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They're saying they reviewed available sources and found relevant stuff that could be mentioned in the article, some of it going towards establishing notability. A commercial being filmed there can certainly be mentioned in the article; whether it goes towards notability depends a bit upon the specifics of the coverage. Twisting what someone says into something else, then getting mad at the something else, is not healthy.
About Sigler Farm, I am not bothering to look up anything about it, because the deletion nomination and much of this discussion seems to be going along in a pretty information-free vein. I imagine that part or all of the park might once have been part of Sigler farm, and the farmhouse and whatever remnant of the farm is now separate. Anyhow, coverage about Sigler Farm probably could cover the park. Again I am not looking at specific sources. It is speculation either way about what the unexamined coverage says, but the reasonable presumption is that substantial coverage exists.
Please do try searching on Sigler Farm:
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Google search comes up with absolutely nothing linking the park to the farm.--
Rusf10 (talk) 01:21, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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It's discussed in detail on page 14 of the book Legendary Locals of Montclair, New Jersey. One of many examples of significant coverage in reliable independent sources. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's mentioned in National Register of Historic Places 1986 preliminary survey of historic resources in the Montclair area: [2], which led to various districts and properties being NRHP-listed later. Apparently then there was still a mix of remnants of farms and subdivisions. Not saying that is substantial coverage about the park itself, but the park is a landmark in the area and other things such as neighborhoods of historic houses are described in relation to it. --Doncram (talk) 00:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to
    WP:GNG-notability. Merging relevant content to the parent article as not enough for a standalone article. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:37, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete -- Not notable. Seconcepts (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, unfortunately - Nothing to establish notability. It's a cute little article, in a way, and I'm sure a great little park, but a park does not automatically merit an encyclopedia article just by existing. Coverage in reliable secondary sources beyond a trivial mention of it existing are necessary. What is being written about the park? Apparently next to nothing. At least least we would need some in depth coverage of its qualities and impact from multiple sources. A notable city park has that. I would not object to merging any cited material but there doesn't seem to be any to speak of. —DIYeditor (talk) 01:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect and merge to Yantacaw Brook, too much sourcing to warrant deletion. From the 1930s (when old estates & farms were purchased by developers of housing estates) through the early 1950s (when the last open tracts of land were filed with suburban split-levels), there was a fair amount of discussion in the NYTimes, Herald Trib and other papers of the attractions of suburban Montclair (descirbing this and other town parks as a reason to move there) and discussing land use battles involving this park - an extension of the park along the Creek involving a parkway was much discussed, and there were at least two proposals to block land purchases by developers and add acreage to this Park. (articles like: Montclair Offers Superior Schools and Homes for Families of Prosperous Commuters: Jersey Town Also Takes Pride In Civic Thrift, Social Life Montclair's Retail Sales Average $538 Per Person Yearly, $268 Above National Average; Most of Town Area Already Occupied by Housing,, Cresbaugh, John M, Jr. New York Herald Tribune (1926-1962); New York, N.Y. [New York, N.Y]15 Feb 1953: 1C. AND "the report specifically advocates an extension of Yantacaw Brook Park" in: Planners List New City Hall as Montclair Need: Municipal Building Inadequate and Antiquated, Says Town Board Report Civic Center Is Suggested Preservation of Residential Advantages Emphasized Special to the Herald Tribune. New York Herald Tribune (1926-1962); New York, N.Y. [New York, N.Y]03 Jan 1932: 33.) I have not attempted to sort out the history of the Park and whether/when it was expanded. But it could undoubtedly be done using old news reports. E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:16, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @
    WP:AGF - it looks as though in expanding a comment, Alansohn somehow managed to delete a large swath of material. I find it hard to imagine that anyone - let alone an experienced editor - could have made that deletion deliberately. Mistakes happen.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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To Rusf10, E.M.Gregory and all other participants here, my apologies for my carelessness in failing to realize that much of the active discussion had been inadvertently deleted after being mindlessly oblivious to the fact that I was editing an old version of this discussion. After reviewing the gist of the subsequent discussion it appears that I would not necessarily make the same changes, as there has been appropriate consideration given to a merge by many editors here, though policy still dictates that we should be hearing from *ALL* participants as to whether or not a merge and / or redirect should be considered and, if not, an explanation for why a non-delete option should be rejected. Alansohn (talk) 17:25, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete.

WP:REFUND applies. Killiondude (talk) 00:20, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Skytells Framework

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Non-notable software, no significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Largoplazo (talk) 23:40, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete can't see how this could pass the notability guidelines DocumentError (talk) 00:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Spa votes given little weight, as have assertions of sourcing. If you have sources you need to cite them.

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Powerhouse Films

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Promotional tone; crappy reference format; most of "article" consists of page after page of product catalog. I don't know whether the current version can be salvaged, or if we need to blow up this one and start afresh. Orange Mike | Talk 23:40, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete if, as it appears, this company distributes films rather than makes them or has any creative input.
    WP:NCORP. Sionk (talk) 00:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Have you seen the number of video distribution companies that have pages dedicated to them on WP?? E.g.: Category:Home_video_lines, Category:Home_video_companies_of_the_United_States Are you going to call for all of them to be deleted?? Cagwinn (talk) 00:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Some of them clearly meet Wikipedia's
notability guidelines. Feel free to nominate those that don't. As I say above, this one in particular seems to very new, and piggy-backing its notability on its 'products'. More than that, by listing all of their releases with catalogue numbers and available formats, the company is clearly using Wikipedia as an extension of their website to sell their products. The article should be deleted for being a blatant advert. Sionk (talk) 11:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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What's the reasoning behind this? Should one wait a few years before creating a band/company/film page because otherwise they want to "sell their products"? Furthermore, the company did not create this page, boutique label fans did. Like they did for Criterion, and Arrow, and all pages of this kind. Why don't you delete Sony's List of Instant Game Collection games list? By your standards, it makes people want to buy PS+ subscriptions in order to enjoy all those games. A blatant advert, really. MouseyN1 (talk) 17:39, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete seems to fail GNG - I've done a before check and am unable to find a way to redeem this either DocumentError (talk) 00:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - there are numerous other pages on WP dedicated to other video distribution companies (see for example: Category:Home_video_lines, Category:Home_video_companies_of_the_United_States) that have virtually the same format; why should this one be specifically targeted for deletion?? How about trying to fix any issues it might have - or even just start a conversation on the issues in the pages Talk section?? Seems not only rash, but overly vindictive to call for immediate deletion. Cagwinn (talk) 00:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. After muddling this through with a couple of other admins I have to the decision to close this as no consensus.

A significant number of keep votes quote

WP:GNG
while others say it does. Assessing what GNG is, a subject is notable if there is significant coverage from secondary, independent, reliable sources. Unfortunately most of the article cites flight tracking data with some news articles so the interpretation as to whether it passes or not is in the air s Since only 2 users only bothered to back up the GNG argument with sources of their own, the interpretation as to whether it passes or not is still in the air.

Since a significant number of users quote AIRCRASH, they are not arguing to keep the subject as a standalone article despite the keep votes. I was seriously considering closing this as merge into

WP:AIRCRASH
, but the question of whether or not this article should be a standalone or not hasn't really been answered in this AfD.

I seriously recommend starting a merge discussion into Aviation accidents and incidents and see what the outcome for that is. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 16:32, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pegasus Airlines Flight 8622

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Not notable incident. Runway overruns are very common.

WP:NOTNEWS applies. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:18, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment Right now is it to soon to tell if this should be deleted until more information on the accident comes to light. If the aircraft has be written off with any injuries which as yet not been updated but only by a few sources because the accident only happened within the first few hours. I understand the reason for the deletion under
    2017 Nature Air Cessna 208 Caravan crash Articles is currently under Articles for deletion? Cloverfield2Y (talk) 23:39, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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*Delete - Awfully foolish to create an article when the information critical to determining notability doesn't exist; in other words, at this point in time the incident is not notable.

"why does this article exist then?" argument is unconvincing.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:27, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete -- SME speaking. Overrun is not notable, injuries or not. Rhadow (talk) 02:47, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would say too soon to say. When the images which are quite impressive will go around the world, it may grow in interest. Wykx (talk) 09:40, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - article now bashed into some sort of shape. An airliner departs the runway, falls down a cliff and is substantially damaged. That there were no deaths does not take away from the notability of the accident, which meets established criteria for a stand-alone article. Mjroots (talk) 12:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The established criteria are the general notability guidelines. If you are referring to AIRCRASH, that has been thoroughly discredited years ago as a result of many AfD discussions and now states merely that an accident may be mentioned in the articles about the airport and the airline and for cases of stand-alone articles, refer to the aforementioned GNG. YSSYguy (talk) 21:44, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -Not Notable in long term, insignificant aviation incident.Varmapak (talk) 05:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete
    WP:GNG. Non-notable run of the mill runway excursion, with no infrastructure damage, very limited injuries and probably no hull loss (but that is irrelevant as insurance write-offs do not a hull loss make)! There is NO reason why this minor incident should have a stand-alone accident, but entries in related lists Accidents and incident sections would be welcome!! Why do we keep getting these frivolous attempts to get non-notable accidents stand-alone articles. There is a MOUNTAIN of consensus which can be used to justify deletion or retention!! USE IT BEFORE you write articles and we can all have an easier life!!!!!!!!!!!--Petebutt (talk) 08:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Irrelevant comment, Turkey is not a “third world country”. WWGB (talk) 07:43, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clarification The section of
    talk) 12:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Fair 'nuff; if I had realised when I first saw the article that it was the work of a sockpuppet I would have nominated it for a G5 Speedy deletion - it hadn't been touched by others at that stage. This guy has a long track record with some 200 sockpuppets and punishment is entirely appropriate, otherwise it just encourages him. As I said above, if the subject is deemed notable, delete the article anyway and have an editor of good standing re-create it. YSSYguy (talk) 06:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not that my vote matters really, but I think this article is insignificant. No reason to keep it around. I agree with what most other delete advocates have already said. Nothing happened really. Take a second to think about it. No injuries, no damage, and no deaths. How is this an accident??? Lord David, Duke of Glencoe (talk) 02:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: Why would you say "no damage"? The airliner is most likely a total write-off. - Ahunt (talk) 02:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • fine you are right but it is still insignificant. Lord David, Duke of Glencoe (talk) 20:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: The total hull loss of a US$98M airliner is hardly insignificant. - Ahunt (talk) 13:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's not all about money. Lord David, Duke of Glencoe (talk) 19:09, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: We I guess you must be very wealthy , or at least not a shareholder in the the airline that had the accident, if you consider losing an asset worth US$98M in a few seconds to be not significant. - Ahunt (talk) 13:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's significant for the airline company. Not for the general wikipedia reader.Tvx1 15:51, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • Ahunt, please refrain from assuming my wealth please. Although I may have grew up in a wealthy community, don't assume please. Lord David, Duke of Glencoe (talk) 19:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • Comment: You are trying to make the case here that a US$98 hull loss is "insignificant", as you put it. I am suggesting you must have a unique point of view that is different from other editors and trying to give you the opportunity to explain yourself and make a case here. So far you are not making a very convincing argument. - Ahunt (talk) 20:42, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Wouldn't be surprised if this accident was cited in the creation of a new aviation regulation, maybe now or after a similar accident in the future. Part of a pattern of runway overruns.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 18:49, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The fact the runway overrun was caused by an engine power surge potentially means there is an issue with the engine model in question, so this might be worth keeping around. --Kirbanzo (talk) 19:28, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A pilot claiming there was an engine surge does not make it so, I have been told all sorts of things by pilots over the years to try to deflect that they have fucked up, but lets assume he is correct. Potentially means there is an issue, so this might be worth keeping around? Is this how far we have lowered the bar now? YSSYguy (talk) 21:44, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. Lord David, Duke of Glencoe (talk) 21:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Despairing reversal of non-admin closure in the face of a blizzard of keep votes. WWGB (talk) 11:28, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:50, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

W. Derek Russell

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Fails

WP:CREATIVE, but I've found 0 indication of that. John from Idegon (talk) 15:19, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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I’ll contact the subject, to see if he can provide better references for me. Admittedly, perhaps I can be more specifix with what awards he won.Tr114 (talk) 17:21, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

At least three references to Russell winning awards for his work. I’m about to cite them properly, but first I’ll share them here. [1][2][3]

Tr114 (talk) 18:22, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hosting a syndicated podcast with a well-known actor with a large fanbase of nearly 100,000 on Instagram [4] as well as winning journalism awards and writing for publications such as DC Comics and appearing in special features for his work on television shows is more than enough to keep this page alive and free of deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3014:2504:7A00:F5B5:5BB5:A5AA:2200 (talk) 18:56, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - per nom. "X followers" is
    an argument to avoid, and I'm afraid the awards are regional and relatively minor -- even the 1st place is from a state-level trade industry organization and not signifiant enough to establish notability (and the source is questionable). What's missing is significant coverage about the subject specifically, in independent reliable sources. Υπογράφω (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
    ]

On the subject of Russell’s notability, instances of the podcasts he produces being referenced in the mainstream press.

TVLine: [5]

Fox News: [6]

ET Online: [7]

People: [8]

Tr114 (talk) 21:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • DeleteI couldn't find a mention of Russell in any of those references. It also appears in this edit caption [5] that the primary contributor is s
    talk) 23:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Yet every single one mentions a show which he created and produces. If the creation is noteworthy, so is the creator. As for the accusation that I’m closely connected to him, while I’ve listened to the shows; I actually sent him correspondence telling him I was making a page and trying to gather more specific information from the source. Such as the years he attended said school and university. Tr114 (talk) 01:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If the creation is noteworthy, so is the creator -- no, not by the definition of notability we use here, see
original research, which is also contrary to Wikipedia policy. Υπογράφω (talk) 01:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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It appears I’ve said and done all I can for the case for keeping it. I was unaware of that original research policy, my level of connection to him is that I messaged him privately via twitter to see if he could be kind enough to verify some information for me. He was. Very pleasant man, who I personally believe is noteworthy. That said, if no one else agreed by the notice runs it’s course; I’ll respect the majority decision. I did my best, I’m still a novice editor. I’d rather there not be any hostility over this. I was merely trying to make a page for a man i’ve known of and respects for many years. I didn’t mean to compromise my own effort by reaching out to him personally for that fact check. Tr114 (talk) 01:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/louisiana/articles/2017-03-25/winners-announced-in-mississippi-louisiana-ap-competition
  2. ^ Journal, Daily. "Daily Journal staff takes several honors at statewide newspaper awards". djournal.com. Retrieved 6 January 2018.
  3. ^ Journal, Daily. "Daily Journal staff takes several honors at statewide newspaper awards". djournal.com. Retrieved 6 January 2018.
  4. ^ "Brian Austin Green (@arent_you_that_guy) • Instagram photos and videos". www.instagram.com. Retrieved 6 January 2018.
  5. ^ Mitovich, Matt Webb (25 March 2011). "Smallville First Look: Clark's Shocking New Foe!". tvline.com. Retrieved 6 January 2018.
  6. ^ "Brian Austin Green on being married to Megan Fox: 'It's hard'". foxnews.com. 22 September 2017. Retrieved 6 January 2018.
  7. ^ "Brian Austin Green Says He and Megan Fox Take Relationship 'Day by Day': 'Marriage Is Hard'". etonline.com. Retrieved 6 January 2018.
  8. ^ "Brian Austin Green Admits Marriage 'Is Hard' and That He and Megan Fox Take It 'Day By Day'". people.com. Retrieved 6 January 2018.
  • Delete. Justification for this article seems to argue that a subject’s existence equals being qualified rather than being of encyclopedic importance. Sources are social media/user download sites/small time non-notable publications/trivial mentions by association (e.g.
    WP:INHERITED), etc. It’s original research built around first hand references rather than significant independent third party verification. Re: the “Award Winning” justification. An award from The Better Newspaper competition held by the Mississippi Press Association—even first place—might look good on one’s linkedin profile, but it doesn’t meet wikipedia’s importance standards. I researched this ([6]) and I can’t even count how many 1st place awards are handed out. And they do it twice a year! ShelbyMarion (talk) 20:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect to

Virginia House of Delegates election, 2017. Until somebody writes an article about the specific district election. Sandstein 21:50, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Shelly Simonds

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This subject fails

Virginia House of Delegates election, 2017 article. Kbabej (talk) 16:31, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Redirect per Mojo Hand. She doesn't pass NPOL as an individual, but the situation is certainly notable enough for us to maintain content about it in the election article — though I'm less convinced that it would need its own special standalone article, rather than a subsection in the overview article. Update, due to relist comment: just for clarity's sake, my redirect preference is to the overall
    Virginia House of Delegates election, 2017. That article already exists — and I sincerely doubt that we would need a whole article about the 94th district race as a standalone topic separate from the statewide election just because that particular district came down to drawing a name out of a hat, so I wouldn't really support creating one just for the sake of redirecting this there. Bearcat (talk) 19:20, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Redirect to
    Virginia House of Delegates election, 2017 as the page exists. If at some point an article is written specifically about the 94th district race, then the redirect could be retargeted. But, that is not a valid option at this moment. --Enos733 (talk) 23:22, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 12:47, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relativistic kill vehicle

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This article:

  • Is pretty much completely unsourced original research, except for a single small claim that is unreliably sourced;
  • seems to meander between hypothetical and fictional topics (I put this under F because it discusses mostly fiction);
  • does not appear to indicate notability; and
  • otherwise requires
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Delete - A bunch of OR with no proof of notability. -Indy beetle (talk) 23:36, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zak Elbouzedi

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Subject hasn't played in a fully professional match. Highest level in which he has played is

WP:FOOTYN. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:35, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Subject has so far played two games in the
    SPFL under Elgin City, who play in the SPFL (Scottish Professional Football League), and the opening line on the wikipedia page for said league says "The Scottish League Two, known for sponsorship reasons as the Ladbrokes League Two, is the fourth tier of the Scottish Professional Football League, the league competition for men's professional football clubs in Scotland.". Not trying to be rude here, but this quote alone has rendered your Proposed Deletion attempt invalid. If it were semi-professional, that'd be the Highland League and amateur would be Sunday League football. Professional football are the tiers that are officially recognized by UEFA/FIFA. Cheesy McGee. (talk) 00:19, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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It doesn't matter what the name of the competition is, it's the professional status of the club(s) concerned that matters. Elgin City is a semi-professional club. So sorry for being rude, but you don't have a clue what you're talking about. For example, here is an article in the "I" newspaper which says "In Scotland, nearly half of the country’s 42 professional sides can be labelled part-time, with players topping up their full-time job with a minimal wage from football, or simply playing for expenses". When Elgin City advertised for a team manager in November 2014, they specifically said that it was a "part-time position". Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:34, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't think you understand how the SPFL works. The top division (Scottish Premiership) is basically what the Scottish Premier League used to be, the division for the top 12 clubs, who are always fully professional. The second tier (Scottish Championship) usually has a majority of teams that are fully professional (8 teams out of 10 this year, with only Dumbarton and Brechin City being part-time). You sometimes get fully-pro teams in Scottish League One (third tier), and there are a few this year, but the fourth tier (Scottish League Two) almost never has a fully-pro club. Elbouzedi has only appeared in the latter competition for a club's first team. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:54, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vuyane Mhlomi

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I doubt that the person is notable. Awards don't seem to be notable, no important publications. Think it should be reviewed by someone with the medical background. Bbarmadillo (talk) 22:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete:some coverage about him, but more in the style of a rag-to-riches
    human interest story. Nothing to indicate he is a notable Doctor. I don't think the awards are notable themseleves so I don't think they amount to much. Mattg82 (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was Delete. It was deleted and salted by Courcelles. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:15, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hazem Ali (researcher)

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Non notable programmer. References are either from his own company, or socila media sites. Awards are either just jobs or unexplained. However a claim of importance with apparent appearance in an Egyptian magazine precludes speedy deletion. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:53, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:53, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Frances Ward

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Minimal notabilty. Long on words and passing mentions, short on reliable sources. Tagged for notability since forever. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Rename and refocus. Consensus this is about the court case. I'll leave it to editors to do this...

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Noxubee County Democratic Executive Committee

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WP:FRINGE conspiracy theories. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:12, 13 January 2018 (UTC) (edited 04:57, 14 January 2018 (UTC); see below)[reply
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  • Comment: I would also support a redirect and merge of some content, after appropriate pruning, to Voting Rights Act of 1965 § Impact. The New York Times, along with the one decent book source shown in GBooks, describe the topic in this context. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Move to United States v. Ike Brown; the sources above, plus the articles mentioned below by Mendaliv, seem to show that the court case is notable, but not the County Democratic Committee itself. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:57, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but move I don't think there's enough about the organization itself to merit an article. It's been the litigation that attracted the attention. There's significant legal scholarship on this case, as well as a small but decent body of caselaw citing it and its appeal. The coverage in these academic articles taken with the general media coverage ought to overcome GNG at least. Campbell, Donald (2013). "Partisanship, Politics, and the Voting Rights Act: The Curious Case of U.S. v. Ike Brown". Harvard Journal of Racial and Ethnic Justice. 29: 33. Daniels, Gilda R. (2010). "Voter Deception". Indiana Law Review. 43: 343. Chan, Denny (February 2012). "Section 2 of the 1965 Voting Rights Act and White Americans". U.C. Irvine Law Review. 2: 453. Ross, Deuel (2014). "Pouring Old Poison into New Bottles: How Discretion and the Discriminatory Administration of Voter ID Laws Recreate Literacy Tests". Columbia Human Rights Law Review. 45: 362.
    Also, the long opinion the article cites is presumably at 494 F. Supp. 2d 440 (S.D. Miss. 2007). This opinion was affirmed on appeal at 561 F.3d 420 (5th Cir. 2009). There are also a trio of unpublished district court opinions: 2006 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 49834; 2006 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 53916; 2007 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 63228. I don't have WestLaw citations for those. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 02:27, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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I came here from the WP:LAW talk page. What y'all write above makes good sense from an outsider's perspective, i.e., you all present clear, logical reasons for a merge. (By "outsider" I mean that I lack the in-depth knowledge you all possess.)   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 18:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article isn't really about the Noxubee County Democratic Executive Committee at all, but about the case. Move to
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:54, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Glenys McQueen-Fuentes

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Résumé-toned

WP:GNG: the only "references" here are her own (deadlinked) staff profile on the website of her own employer, and the abstract to a piece of her own academic writing. These are not notability-supporting sources -- a person needs to be the subject of media coverage, not the author of her article's sources, for a Wikipedia article to become earned. Bearcat (talk) 21:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. To add, article is all OR, and ORPHAN, etc. Agricola44 (talk) 04:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: No notability. Had hopes of her book What if? Why not? but can't trace it in Worldcat, Amazone or elsewhere (several other books of that title, but not one by her). PamD 10:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete her role as an actress/producer is way below what would meet the entertainer notability guidelines. Her role as an academic is no where close to being notable either.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 00:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boyzone album 2018

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Way TOOSOON at the moment, Should obviously be recreated when more details are known like for instance the albums name. –Davey2010Talk 20:59, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The albums page will be updated when the albums name is known but if this page is deleted it will just be created when the name of the album is known, image of the album and the date of release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernando8039 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to create a
rough draft in the draft space until it has a name - that's even what I do - but there's a strong consensus that album's that don't have a name, shouldn't have their own article yet. Sergecross73 msg me 13:43, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy keep. SNOW close as keep, there is a strong consensus that the article is relevant. Merging it to somewhere else is an option but this is not something we discuss at AfD. Tone 22:08, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hawaii missile alert

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This is not a significant event - similar events have already been covered, as well as this one, on Emergency Alert System#Incidents. Jayden (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: This was an alert sent to every smartphone and television set in a U.S. state saying a ballistic missile was about to hit them during a time of heightened tensions between the U.S. and a neighboring nuclear power. I can't remember another incident of this scale in my lifetime. Certainly not in the age of smartphones and social media. -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Fifteen minutes ago my mom (she lives in Hawaii) sent the following in group text to me and my sisters: "Pray for us. Inbound missile. Civil defense sirens going off". My sisters and I all live on the US mainland. Shortly after I found news that the alert was a mistake, but fuck, man. Nothing quite like thinking your mother is seconds away from dying, and there's nothing you can do. My heart is still pounding." /quote LaceyUF (talk) 21:48, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This event clearly meets the criteria for standalone inclusion. The argument to merge into another article severely diminishes its real-world significance. LaceyUF (talk) 20:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What real world significance? This is a water cooler news story. A little shocking. But with no enduring significance. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:02, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"A little shocking"? That's not how it felt in Hawaii. -Kudzu1 (talk) 21:05, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ad Orientem is trying to manipulate the debate by downplaying the event. His language is very telling to anyone with Afd experience. LaceyUF (talk) 21:40, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose outright deletion. It took 38 minutes to retract the warning so for 38 minutes anyone with a TV or phone in Hawaii thought a missile was inbound during a time of tension with a country (North Korea) that has threatened to strike the US with missiles, certainly a terrifying experience for hundreds of thousands of people in an entire US state, not just one city or small area. There also seems to be extensive coverage of this false alarm and heads might roll at Hawaii's EMA, leading to more coverage. If this dies down with little coverage in the future, a merge might be warranted, but this shouldn't just go away.331dot (talk) 21:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • The odds this doesn't end up as an issue in Hawaii's gubernatorial election this year, if nothing else, seem pretty remote. -Kudzu1 (talk) 21:25, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to either the emergency alert noted above article or
2017–18 North Korea crisis. I see no need to scrub any mention of the event from Wikipedia, but I don't see this event having the depth of coverage over time necessary to support a stand alone article. Judicious editing can keep all of the information here as a reasonable sized section in another article.--Jayron32 21:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete.

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Poppy unreleased discography

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Total lack of

Fram (talk) 19:59, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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How does it lack notability? The Beatles bootleg recordings lists unreleased tracks, and so does List of songs recorded by the Beatles. This seems like more of a preference to you, unless you have a plethora of Wikipedia guidelines the article doesn't abide by. A merge would've also been a decent suggestion if you're that unsatisfied by the article. Hypothetically, if this article were to be deleted, how about transferring the info to the Poppy discography. -- AlexanderHovanec (talk) 20:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, well Fram seems to want the page removed pretty badly, but he's not replying or countering the arguments. Don't get me wrong, I totally respect his feelings on the matter. But a little participation and feedback'd be nice! Do you have anything else to offer on the matter aside from "This isn't notable. End of discussion."? Would merging be of interest? -- AlexanderHovanec (talk) 23:41, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why would merging a sprawling list of trivia be of interest? Not everything someone notable has ever done is also of interest. We don't include lists of interviews, TV appearances, ... for every notable artist either, even though these are also part of their job and of interest to die-hard fans. That's why fan fora exist, fan websites, things like wikia, ...
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Yes there are, and in the case of
List of unreleased songs by Radiohead, the point is that these songs have been discussed in books or articles by independent sources outside the artists' websites or social media. Richard3120 (talk) 17:36, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Thank you. And here's a page of unreleased material of the Beach Boys. The Radiohead page you linked doesn't seem to reference books (but that's on a quick look). There may be more. The uniqueness I mentioned earlier, that the artist in question, Poppy, has taken a different and in itself unique path since many of her earlier recordings were made, does seem a notable occurrence and one which may or may not have already been sourced (I don't usually click on many links I don't know, and "jump out" when a link is taking awhile to load, so I limit my internet research). Again, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:54, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Books, no, but all eight references for the Radiohead article are from established and reputable music magazines – what it shows is that these songs have been discussed by outside sources. Whereas at present, the unreleased Poppy songs haven't been talked about in any reliable sources, just fan sites and various Wikias. To me, they aren't any different from any other budding singer-songwriter uploading their cover version to their YouTube or Soundcloud channel.
Incidentally, it appears that all these tracks can be freely downloaded from her Soundcloud site, which opens up another debate as to whether a song that can be accessed by anyone and added to an MP3 library is truly "unreleased"... Richard3120 (talk) 18:54, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. I don't know how Soundcloud works, are the releases there approved by the artist? I was wondering why some of the songs which have been removed elsewhere on youtube are played there. If so, then can the songs be listed on her regular discography page instead of a separate page (which may be a good compromise consensus for this page)? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:06, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's up to the owner of the Soundcloud channel to decide whether to make the songs downloadable or not. Richard3120 (talk) 19:16, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • As already stated multiple times, each entry needs to be sourced to comply with
    the most basic requirements of Wikipedia, or they're going to be removed from there too. Sergecross73 msg me 11:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy keep. Clearly notable but needs an overhaul and sources added. Fenix down (talk) 15:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

History of Oldham Athletic A.F.C.

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Long rambling story with no sources or focus. No sourcing found, largely redundant to parent. If there is keepable material here, then merge or

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I'm not even venturing into other types of sourcing, since the topic is clearly notable. Next time, please don't forget to do a

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  • Keep - There is clear consensus that club history articles such as this are notable and it would be a simple step to add sources to the page. Not too mention WP:Deletion is not cleanup. Kosack (talk) 07:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - valid breakout article from the main club article (many equivalent articles are FAs), and given that there are at least six published books on the history of the club (the existence of most of which was confirmed for me within the first two pages of a Google search (regular Google search, not even Google Books) for "history Oldham Athletic"), the notion that no sourcing could be found looks a bit ridiculous -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snow Keep Why is this article even brought to AfD, it needs a lot of help to improve it and not assign it to the wiki-bin, also a note to @TenPoundHammer:, can you please stop nominating articles for AfD which are well known subjects, just add needs citation tags to tops of article instead or simple go to google and get those citations! Govvy (talk) 13:23, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per above . Clearly Valid split from main article.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:45, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    Useful, is in no means valid. Did any of you add any of the so-called sources you supposedly found? Are ny of you going to fix it, or are you just going to let it sit and rot in this shitty ass fucking state forever? Apparently just saying something is notable and useful is all we need anymore? In that case, let me make an article about the cup of gas station coffee on my desk. It exists, it's notable, and I don't need sources, right? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 13:55, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Back off. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:17, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but prune substantially. There is far too much emphasis on the last few decades. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:03, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep notable topic; needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 12:57, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep.

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Education in Moldova

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Meandering mess with no central topic, no sources, no notability. If there is a topic here, then

WP:TNT and start over. This has been sitting to rot for over 10 years and no one will even so much as look at it. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Reply to IP comments I find nothing offensive about the nominator's reasoning this AFD. The question is not whether there is no education in Moldova but the problems with the article's content. If you have a problem with the nominator personally, please use the appropriate pages elsewhere on WP. Mattg82 (talk) 21:30, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The nominator very clearly did raise the question of whether there is no education in Moldova. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 08:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added a little info to the article. You ought to read the relevant policy concerning these matters that Andrew mentioned. You said that this subject had "no sources, no notability", though it would seem without checking
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Ajf773 (talk) 17:41, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of out-of-town shopping centres in the United Kingdom

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I fail to understand how a topic about shopping centres existing out-of-town can be notable. No sources provided giving any indication this is a notable topic so appears to be a simple case of

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  • The distinction between out-of-town and in-town shopping centres is very commonly made. For example just look at the first few books found by this search. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 11:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete, no evidence that this is a notable distinction for a list. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:23, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep IDONTUNDERSTANDIT is not a valid reason for deletion.
The notion of "out of town shopping" is a serious planning issue in the UK, probably the rest of Europe too. In the US it's just a done deal. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:07, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • In all of the articles in the list, the distinction of 'out-of-town' doesn't even get a mention. It's original research. Do we need a list of in-town shopping centres too? Ajf773 (talk) 17:43, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP is not the arbiter of whether a term is significant or not. Also the claim "'out-of-town' doesn't even get a mention" seems a bit hollow when it's right there in the article name. It is far from WP:OR to see that the rise (and maybe fall) of out-of-town shopping in the UK is an issue taken very seriously for planning, town centre redevelopment, the retail industry and even motorway design, to the point where it's part of the school exam curriculum in geoography.
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  • You are talking about the concept of out-of-town shopping centres being a notable topic - perhaps there is, write an article about it sometime. I'm talking about the article list itself. There is no clear inclusion criteria for each of the listed articles (as there is no mentioned of being 'out-of-town' in their content) which is why I've flagged this as
    WP:OR. We could remove the original research but all it would yield would be a bare list. Ajf773 (talk) 19:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Your nomination was quite clear, " a topic about shopping centres existing out-of-town " - are you now changing it? Andy Dingley (talk) 20:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No. Ajf773 (talk) 21:05, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep these are mentioned in several books, and it's usually the same shopping centres:[8][9][10]; there's a list of "regional shopping centres" or "regional malls"[11] which is a less commonly used phrase but may be more precise (outlet malls such as Freeport Braintree are sometimes called out-of-town shopping centres). Peter James (talk) 18:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep, possibly rename to
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  • So what have you done to encourage the improvement of articles? It's easy to keep slating things for deletion, but it's also a great way to piss off just those who might be the ones to work on improving them. And this goes double for Hammer. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Focus on improving the encyclopedia itself, rather than demanding more from other Wikipedians."
So how about it? Andy Dingley (talk) 00:51, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:37, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Chantry Johnson

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Fails

WP:MBIO. Appears to be part of a notable rock band but lacks notability as an individual musician. I failed to locate significant coverage of reliable and independent sources about the person. — Zawl 21:00, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:37, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anansesem Ezine

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Sources provided are almost all of the wrong kind -- either primary sources, a blog or something else like that. The only half-good one is the Bajan reporter source. Google search not very convincing. Fails

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The result was keep. Sandstein 21:37, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Khan (Pakistan Army officer)

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Not of general rank. No coverage. Fails

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The result was keep. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:52, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sardars of Vahali

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We don't have such articles unless there is significant coverage. No coverage. Fails

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  • Weak Keep I agree with Eddie's comment above, some history articles are difficult to source and may require a trip to the library or more specialized research, but it does seem like more sources can be found for this. SeraphWiki (talk) 19:02, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep for now. Really needs more sourcing. I could be convinced to go the other way if no more sources find their way to the article. Bythebooklibrary (talk) 02:04, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The article has existed since June of 2012. How many more years do you think should be given for sources to find their way?--Rpclod (talk) 11:57, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Strong Keep What is coverage with history? This is an historical article, not a modern article, it won't have coverage in the normal sense. This tribal group worked as administrators, or
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The result was no consensus. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:52, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lay It on Me (Ina Wroldsen and Broiler song)

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Ranking on music charts in only one country does not establish notability per

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@Mattg82: Quote "Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts." I might be overly fussy here but the song has only charted on 1 music chart and 1 sales chart, both of which are Norway charts. Besides, "this indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable." Can't really see how going platinum in one country would make it notable. Hayman30 (talk) 13:05, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It might be best to redirect then if no other claims to notability are forth coming. Mattg82 (talk) 13:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    WP:NSONG criteria. Nothing indicates the song has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpclod (talk • contribs) 12:55, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was no consensus.

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Miss New Hampshire's Outstanding Teen

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There is some coverage (very little) of individual pageants, but no coverage of the organization itself. The massive amount of poorly sourced information about minors who are not notable is troubling here. John from Idegon (talk) 08:06, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. But the contents can be restored if somebody actually wants to integrate the sources cited here into the article. As it is, the one-paragraph article cites no sources, and nobody argues that the content now in the article is covered by the sources cited here. The article therefore fails the core policy

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Buzmi

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I'm unable to find any sources that determines that this is/was even a real thing. Gamebuster (Talk)║Contributions) 06:11, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - no references, let alone authoritative references, are provided. Nothing supports notability or even factuality.--Rpclod (talk) 13:11, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Don't tell me. Expand the article. Add the references. You apparently have a passion for the subject. Go for it.--Rpclod (talk) 02:04, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As I explained above I prefer to leave that to editors with more fluency in Russian and Spanish than I have. I know those languages well enough to see that the sources have significant coverage of the subject (I even have an
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    WP:AGF the sources given that they are from academic book and renown library not from random websites. In DYK many articles sourced to foreign-language only do make it to front page on AGF. We shouldn't delete this because we can't understand the language, especially since it is not BLP. I came across this article via Special:Random –Ammarpad (talk) 13:43, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was no consensus.

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I Killed the Prom Queen / Parkway Drive: Split CD

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Fails

WP:NALBUM. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:48, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete.

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Cosmic Knot

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References seem to point to non-notable sources and an interview. A

WP:BEFORE didn't seem to reveal much more. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 03:46, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Saying that the article cites "non-notable sources" seems a little bit overboard - there are links to videos of the band performing at Hash Bash in front of 10,000 people, and an article on mlive.com stating that they performed at Hash Bash in front of 10,000 people - a search of mlive revealed that in 2012 they had a readership of over 46,000 subscribers. There is also a link to the ballot page for the 2017 Jammies, where their 2 nominations are listed. There is also an article in the

Holland Sentinel
, the newspaper covering northern Michigan, with a readership of over 10,500 Daily 17,000 Sundays, not counting the online readership. There is also a link to the Relix Jam Band charts, where they are currently listed. There is also an article in localspins, and an alexa search for localspins.com shows that they receive thousands of visitors every week.

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I added several more references to Cosmic Knot wikipedia page today, and hopefully that will help to dissuade any fears that anyone might have regarding creation or inclusion of this wikipedia page. I don't understand what the problem is regarding this band having a wikipedia page - they are an actual band, that has been around for a couple years, that has recorded an album, and it is doing well on the jam band radio charts, and they have received awards for their music as well.

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accessdate for links added - refs are all current

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  • Delete or maybe merge to
    WP:NBAND appears to be met. A merge to Wall's article is a possibility, although I'm not convinced of his notability. --Michig (talk) 08:16, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete - nothing indicates this is anything more than a decent local band. Not notable for WP purposes.--Rpclod (talk) 13:19, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - this article seems perfectly fine to me, and is better documented than some more "famous" bands that I have seen on WP. Jefstevens (talk) 05:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete I don't see anything coming close to meeting our sourcing requirements here. Delete as non-notable. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:46, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:30, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Planet

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Article about a retail clothing store, not citing any

advertorial branding statement and removing the maintenance tags in June 2017, which then remained virtually unchanged but for very minor style and formatting adjustments until another anonymous IP stripped the advertorialism two hours ago. In all that time, nobody has ever added any reliable sources to demonstrate notability, but I can't find any quality coverage about it on a Google News search either — all I'm seeing is glancing namechecks of its existence in coverage of malls that it happens to have locations in, and entirely unrelated usages like a Time article about the need to reconcile urban growth with environmental sustainability. As always, no prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can do better than this, but an unsourced statement that a thing simply exists is not what gets it an encyclopedia article. Bearcat (talk) 18:46, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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To be fair, its existence does get namechecked in coverage of some of the malls where it happens to have locations — so it's quite
verifiable that it exists. It just isn't the subject of enough coverage in its own right to qualify for an article, which isn't the same thing as being a hoax. Bearcat (talk) 16:39, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Ultimately the "delete" arguments appear stronger; the contention that coverage in cited sources is peripheral remains unrebutted. Can be recreated if substantial (probably Russian) sources are found. Sandstein 21:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Kartsev

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Per

WP:NACTOR. Insignificant coverage of work in reliable secondary sources. Comatmebro (talk) 03:09, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete not enough sources to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:43, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There's enough in Google Books to establish notability. --Michig (talk) 08:05, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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I appreciate the effort, but think those are peripheral references and insufficient to show notability.--Rpclod (talk) 13:12, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 21:26, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

George M. Wallhauser Jr.

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Addendum: Wallhauser was a failed candidate for US House, which NPOL states does not guarantee notability. In addition, the offices he held were not cabinet offices or executive positions. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 02:27, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- an unremarkable local politician; does not meet
    WP:NPOL. Coverage is routine for this level of positions. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep.

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Rey Guevarra

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Fails WP:NBASKETBALL Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak keep - I realize that the PBA is not listed among the
    WP:NBASKETBALL power leagues, but the PBA is fully professional league in existence since 1975. The subject appears to be notable even within the context of a non-power league. While I doubt anyone will confuse the subject with LeBron, the subject appears to have sufficient notability to warrant retention.--Rpclod (talk) 13:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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One notability criteria for association football (soccer) players is playing for a team included on the list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football. WikiProject Basketball maintains a similar list of full professional basketball leagues which includes the PBA. The preamble suggests:
This page is part of the WikiProject on Basketball and provides a list of known fully professional leagues, and also those that are known to not be fully professional. As such this article can be used as an aide in considering the WP:NBASKETBALL guideline, which states that "Players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable."
Despite this suggestion, the NBasketball notability criteria does not currently include this and I can only guess that this element was removed at some time. I recommend that you consider joining Wikipedia Basketball to advocate for the list's (re?)inclusion in the NBasketball notability criteria or ask the members why the list is not referenced. Others who have edited the NBasketball segment may also have some idea.--Rpclod (talk) 22:35, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A potential compromise solution might be to lobby on the talk page associated with
WP:NBASKETBALL to modify the third criteria to expand the list to all professional basketball leagues. That is, the play would need to win an award, lead the league in a major statistical category, or - I would recommend similar to the ice hockey criteria - have played at least 200 games.--Rpclod (talk) 22:42, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Regardless, failure to meet the guidelines in NBasketball does not mean that a basketball player is necessarily excluded from coverage. See the preamble to the
WP:ANYBIO criteria. That was essentially my argument in my weak keep !vote.--Rpclod (talk) 22:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Special guidelines like
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Comment Actually, that is not their intent. What NBASKETBALL does is try to give editors an idea of what types of articles likely will meet GNG. Given the number of people who nominate articles for AfD without doing a proper
WP:BEFORE search, this is valuable. The actual guideline only contains a handful of leagues (6 domestic leagues and 3 continental leagues) - and the Philippine Basketball Association is not one of them. The SSG also helps with leagues like the Greek League, where more sources are not in English and are hard for non-native speakers to search. If a subject meets NBASKETBALL you can still nominate it for AfD if it doesn’t meet GNG. By the same token, the guideline was written understanding that if a subject meets GNG they don’t have to meet the SSG. There are hundreds of (for example) French League players over time who meet GNG. But since it isn’t all of them (or close to it), it’s not in the guideline. The list Rclod links (“fully professional league”) was created by one user and never agreed to/adopted as the guideline. All players who have appeared in one game for any professional league are not notable. I get tired of people complaining about the SSGs generally and NBASKETBALL specifically. The guideline is pretty accurate and if there are individual cases where an editor disagrees we can discuss them. This article and others from the PBA aren’t covered under it though. That doesn’t mean the subjects aren’t notable, you just need to base decisions on GNG Rikster2 (talk) 09:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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By the way, there is a current discussion underway to add the PBA to NBASKETBALL (see here). My request is for someone to do the analysis to see if it is true that all players meet GNG (test the players who don’t receive much playing time, test the historical player who appeared in one game, etc). I am sure this proposal is in response to the recent targeting of player articles from this league. My issue is that while I suspect the league may meet the standard (the PBA enjoys extremely high popularity domestically so my guess is there are a plethora of sources available), the vast majority of PBA articles are either unsourced or contain no independent, reliable sources (only League-published content, for example). This isn’t acceptable and I am sure is why these articles are being “tested.” And rightfully so, it is lazy to create articles and not effectively source them. Rikster2 (talk) 09:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 11:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bethany Benz

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A BLP that lacks sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. Does not meet

WP:NACTOR. Sigificant RS coverage not found. The article is cited to online directories, interviews, commercial websites and other sources otherwise not suitable for notability. No awards (only a nomination) and no notable contributions to the genre. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Nom's comment -- the sources lined above by Davey are the types of sources I addressed in my nomination:
  • passing mentions,
  • casting announcements,
  • blogs,
  • industry PR materials,
  • online directories,
  • cover Prince Yahshua injury incident (not the subject) etc.
These sources are not suitable for establishing notability. I don't see
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The result was delete. Non policy based keep votes for unestablished editors get little weight. The assertions of adequate sourcing fall down agaibst detailed discussion of them by delete side.

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Kenny Biddle

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Non-notable individual lacking in-depth, non-trivial support. Article is a vanity advertisement for subject. References are brief mentions or articles written by subject. reddogsix (talk) 00:05, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Note that I am the original author of the article. Let me copy what has already been entered on the article's talk page (without response there) by myself and another editor (@JGehlbach:) in response to the initial addition of advert, notability, and BLP sources and refimprove banners so this all does not get lost:

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New article published

I am publishing this article now which I created in my user-space. I believe I wrote this in as neutral manner as was possible given the references available on the subject. I specifically looked for criticism/critiques of Biddle as I was worried about the appearance of the article having a Biddle-positive POV, but can find NOTHING. If anyone can find any such material, please feel free to add it! RobP (talk) 11:18 pm, Yesterday (UTC−5)

Objection to proposed deletion

I take issue with the proposed deletion, and with the advert, notability, and refimprove tags:

advert The article's author stated above that no criticism could be found despite a search, and explicitly left the door open for other editors to contribute some. If there are NPOV problems, please provide examples.

notability Established through the subject's mention in notable publications including: Popular Mechanics Atlantic 10 News Tampa Live Science People/Celebrity Conventionally published books by at least two notable authors.

BLP sources and refimprove Article is well referenced and does not rely excessively on primary sources. I'm removing all the tags discussed above.

JGehlbach (talk) 5:57 pm, Today (UTC−5)


Thank you. After seeing with great surprise that Biddle's notability was in question, I researched the topic and found this on Wikipedia:Notability (people):

"On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. For people, the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice"[1] or "note"[2] – that is, "remarkable"[2] or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded[1]"

I bolded the part that I believe is, without a reasonable doubt, applicable to the subject. Biddle is significant, interesting and unusual in that he has not only walked both sides of the paranormal divide, (can you find ANYONE else in this category?) but is now an active participant in the scientific skeptical movement, detailing for the world how his former paranormal-enthusiast peers are off-base. RobP (talk) 6:33 pm, Today (UTC−5)

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  • Also, what does "non-trivial support" mean? Don't you mean you think there IS just trivial support (meaning references?) for the article? Of course, I strenuously disagree with that assessment. And, can I vote? RobP (talk) 02:19, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Rp2006: Of course you can. Since the importance of votes is considered by their arguments according to policies, if doing so, I recommend highlighting the independent sources demonstrating notability. —PaleoNeonate – 11:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Can you elaborate on how he slides through? I see basically no strong references.104.163.153.162 (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The reflist contains many instances of Facebook and Youtube as sources. Most others are sketchy site, self published or Amazon! The one good ref (Atlantic) was a minor one sentence mention. Fails GNG.medicine104.163.153.162 (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are cherry picking and mentioning only the low hanging fruit. Once notability is established, such sources are permitted. What about Popular Mechanics, 10 News Tampa, Live Science, People, Skeptical Inquirer and the books Biddle was mentioned in? RobP (talk) 15:36, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regarding the solitary Facebook source, that page is the article subject's chosen primary web presence. In the present context with no alternative available and notability arguably established, I dispute that it's a problem.
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  • Please specify which source sites you consider "sketchy".
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With respect, you're
WP:BLUDGEONING the discussion.104.163.153.162 (talk) 10:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Plus what
biographical criteria. The example containing "unusual" is merely a reference to an Encarta definition.--Rpclod (talk) 23:05, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • @
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his only book is eelf-published. I should have worded it , "and that the person has written only one book, which is self published, tends to indicate a lack of notability . DGG ( talk ) 16:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DGG: I imagine everybody here would agree that any author with an elf-published book would be automatically notable ;)
  • Keep. Some of the points aren't earthshattering, eg a skeptic being inspired by skeptics, but overall I feel that founding PIRA, co-founding USPA, setting up ARS and other bits meet criteria for: "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" as described above by more than one person.  Joolzzt (talk) 01:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I agree with the points made above. I do believe the article meets the criteria of notability. He certainly is "interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention." The numerous citations support this--particularly the Popular Mechanics and People Magazine articles. He is a skeptic commentator of note. Dustinlull (talk) 02:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Not to further "bludgeon" this... But I was not sure I could vote as the author's originator, but now THINK that I can , so I will cast mine officially now for a (duh) Keep. Let me reiterate my main point as to why I decided Biddle was notable enough that I spent a good portion of my week off writing an article on him. And I think NONE of the Delete advocates have addressed this point (which I previously made): Wiki notability includes people that are "unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded". (See above for quote in context.) When I learned of Biddle's transformation from one of the innumerable paranormal advocates (a ghost hunter who formed paranormal groups!) to someone now firmly and vocally on the other side of the fence, I was intrigued. I had never heard of anyone in that position. (I think that qualifies as "unusual"!) Then I found out he is one of the rising starts of the
    Ben Radford, and more are on the way. (I had added text to this affect - now deleted for some reason - about a Ben Radford proclamation on his podcast that Biddle is discussed in another, upcoming, book he wrote). The reference I found like People and Popular Mechanics and Skeptical Inquirer to me seemed a sufficient start. And there were plenty of others refs as well (yes - of lesser note - but once notability was shown, I though that was OK). So all that - for me - sealed the deal, and I put in the time to create this article for Wikipedia. I am sorry some of you think I wasted my time. And if it gets deleted I certainly did. RobP (talk) 04:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. 9 photos credited to Biddle in the Book "Scientifical Americans". Also cited in People.com/celebrity online article "stanley-hotel-ghost-photographed-at-hotel-that-inspired-the-shining".

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  • Keep. There is not much to add as I think as all keep voters do, there are a good amount of citations which are not by any means small mentions or done by the subject themselves. The objections seem to be done towards a certain citation without taking in count the rest of them. An example is saying that the books are self published, when only one of the cited is self published. Objectors are focusing on one or two things when there is a wealth of citations to take in count. Walkiria Nubes (talk) 19:50, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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I dispute that all Keep votes are by editors with few edits. (Assuming the relist comment had a typo, and this is what was actually meant.) I have over 4,000 myself. Also, did you check on the edit history of those making Delete votes to compare? And, perhaps most importantly, what is the magic number considered "few"... and where in WP policy is the number of edits in the history of voting editors stated as a valid reason for a relist, instead of just considering the soundness of the arguments presented by any editor no matter what their vote, and making a determination based upon those arguments? RobP (talk) 03:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not sure you are getting your point across. Can you say 5000 more words on this?198.58.168.40 (talk) 00:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep That's really not a bad line-up of sources. A big proportion of web-based material should not be taken as an indicator of lack of notability when a) some of it is quite high-profile, and b) it is combined with a fair number of more "standard" sources, as here. WP:GNG seems satisfied. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I waited to see if new sources would be added to this discussion. The notability is not strong, but I see no cause for removal. Kyle(talk) 03:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A lot of trashy, unreliable sources are used to pad out this article --- Ghostvillage.com, Spooktator.co.uk, adventuresinpoortaste.com, barrytaff.net, hayleyisaghost.co.uk, anomaliesresearchsociety.wordpress.com --- not to mention Facebook posts, Youtube videos and non-notable podcasts. Get rid of all these (and the material cited to them) and we'd have a better indication of this individual's notability. - LuckyLouie (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see WTSP, The Atlantic, Scientifical Americans, The Southside Time, and one local humanist society and less-local societies in New York and Philadelphia. We usually don't like interviews for article sourcing, but being considered worth talking to by Skeptical Inquirer is persuasive to me in this context. Not bad enough for an automatic delete. Independent sources are there but I have not assessed quality or depth. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:31, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Biddle is mentioned on 5 seperate occasions in Ben Radfords's latest book 'INVESTIGATING GHOSTS: The Scientific Search for Spirits' ISBN 978-0-9364-5516-7. His expert analysis on ghost detectors and ghost photography analysis is relied upon to support certain arguments. I consider this to support the argument that Biddle is notable. I have not updated Biddle's page, however it is my intention, unless someone beats me to it. 8==8 Boneso (talk) 11:18, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Updated 8==8 Boneso (talk) 07:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The article relies mostly on questionable sources, so I don't see a GNG case here. I place no trust in Rhombus Publishing, as it seems they publish a bunch of books on oddball pseudoscience. I don't see a track record for them nor do I see reviews about Radford's book. The Scientifical Americans book only gives the subject credit for photos they used; he's not mentioned in the book. The discussion about the subject relies upon ghost hunter websites and the like. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:04, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: It would be nice if anyone voting to Delete actually take the time to read the article. It might avoid making votes based on factual errors like the one in this comment. Saying Biddle is not mentioned in the book Scientifical Americans is plain wrong, as is evident by this paragraph from the article: "Biddle's impact on some members of the paranormal research community was described by Sharon Hill in her 2017 book, Scientifical Americans: The Culture of Amateur Paranormal Researchers, for which Biddle provided the photography. In the book, Hill says: "Jason and Bobby [Jason Korbus and Bobby Nelson] consider Randi to have been a critical influence on their change in thinking as well as Michael Shermer, Ben Radford, and Kenny Biddle (another ghost-hunter-turned skeptical-advocate)...[2]" Also, even if you are right about Rhombus Publishing, they publish on both sides of the fence, as the Radford's books you are diminishing are all scientific in nature. And Radford's latest book came out just the other day, hence no reviews yet. Looks like folks are really stretching for reasons to delete this. RobP (talk) 18:39, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Rp2006: You need not disparage me. I did read the article. You'll note that edited it a bit, too. I have no dog in this fight; I just don't see the subject passing GNG. That's my opinion. You're free to disagree but you need not accuse me of being ignorant or biased. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Chris troutman: I did not mean to disparage you, nor did I call you ignorant. You were simply not the first to vote Delete and then to sight as a reason, not a matter of opinion, but a factually incorrect observation about the article ("The Scientifical Americans book only gives the subject credit for photos they used; he's not mentioned in the book.") So I am perplexed that you took the trouble to reply to me about feeling insulted, but you are not going to comment on the detail you got wrong? Will you really not admit that what you claimed about Biddle only being mentioned as contributing photos is just incorrect (as is clear from the article's text as I quoted above)? I had assumed it was an oversight and you either didn't read the article, or simply glossed over the pertinent part, but if you will not admit that error now, then I don't see how I can continue to assume good faith. So why do I care? I simply do not think it is fair if others read through these votes and then decide to vote Delete based upon categorically false information provided by others. A matter of opinion is one thing. But this is NOT a matter of opinion. RobP (talk) 21:14, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • @Rp2006: I acknowledge on page 204 that the book says what you claim. It's a single sentence in the concluding chapter of her book and, frankly, doesn't mean much when the author obtained permission from Biddle to use a bunch of his photos. In that light, she's not independent of the subject. She doesn't objectively discuss him, anyway, beyond the mention you've pointed to. As I said, it's not enough for GNG to my mind. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:33, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It has become increasingly difficult for editors to improve the page with disruptive edits (reverts) made by Elektricity. See comments here on Elektricity's talk page and here. on Kenny Biddle's talk page. 8==8 Boneso (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete for lack of
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:56, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails

WP:NACTOR. Not enough sources to support a BLP. RetiredDuke (talk) 18:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:56, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 18:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete CIO of a university is not in any way a sign of notability. His academic roles are just not enough to pass the notability guidelines for academics.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:01, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Afghanistan CV-22 Crash

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Military accidents are generally non-notable regardless of how many are killed. Notability can be conferred if there are civilian casualties, extensive infrastructure damage, changes to legislation or operational doctrine, etc. etc., or anything that could be construed as notable in it's own right, such as notable passengers

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This is so true, at least we can keep these subjects somewhere. D4iNa4 (talk) 14:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted by Callanecc, multiple reasons: speedy deletion criteria CSD A7, CSD G11. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 10:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ather Farouqui

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This appears to be a biography of someone that does not meet notability criteria. The first six "references" are all just links to news/opinion articles the individual has written. Other references don't establish notability and/or aren't independent. Claims of notability in the article (e.g. "General Secretary of Anjuman Taraqui Urdu (Hind)" do not rise to a sufficient level to establish meeting

WP:BIO or appear contradictory (for example, "He received the Sahitya Akademi Award in 2012" appears to contradict List of Sahitya Akademi Award winners for Urdu. In addition, the article is the work of a single purpose account with an apparent COI and the article is full of hyperbole, puffery, and other blatantly promotional content. The content is identical to a submission that was declined at AFC (here) for lack of notability. The creator of the draft then just bypassed AFC and created the biography in article space instead. Gnome de plume (talk) 17:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy keep. Certainly per

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Doodhnath Singh

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The Writer is not notable fails GNG and all references are about his death.Not a notable Hindi writer and has won no notable awardsOderwald (talk) 17:25, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The first of these article was published when the subject's name was chosen for the Bharat Bharti Samman. Would a non-notable writer be chosen for this award? Meets

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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Archie D'Souza

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Fluency in Arabic, French and Italian, and Spanish is not what makes you notable. Nothing in

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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Peacott

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Dearth of

reliable sources. Only primary/affiliated refs and brief mentions. No worthwhile redirect targets. czar 16:02, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Kent

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does not meet

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Delete - Not finding sources to indicate that he meets

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The result was redirect. Changing my vote to redirect. (non-admin closure) Störm (talk) 13:15, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hoshang NE Dinshaw

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Going in detail of everything from their ventures to philanthropy of their family, he is at least not notable as other two are. No significant coverage to pass

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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Firoza Khan

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This page is not meeting notibility guideline of wikipedia, it has no reference, the article should be deleted as soon as possible.ABCDE22 (talk)

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The result was delete. Sandstein 21:21, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yahoshean

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Does not appear to be a notable term: a search reveals less than two pages worth of hits, none of which are to reliable sources. The term itself does not appear to have been covered in sources, and the article itself reads promotionally and also feels like a

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The result was keep. Consensus is there that this subject meets the relevant standard. ESPNCricinfo is sufficient as a source.

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The result was keep. Killiondude (talk) 00:17, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No consensus, but

WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE allows deletion in such cases. This is clearly a borderline case in terms of notability and sourcing, so we don't lose much by honoring the subject's wishes. Sandstein 21:20, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Blaise Larmee

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Article subject has requested deletion (OTRS agents, see VRTS ticket # 2018011110011208), arguing that he does not meet the notability criteria, with most of the available sources featuring only trivial mentions or being interviews. Having looked for sources myself, I agree. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:46, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Stephen Baxter bibliography#Unrelated novels. Sandstein 20:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Ice

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No references and seems a very minor book. Reaganomics88 (talk) 13:15, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Can an admin do this please? E.g. User:Acroterion. Reaganomics88 (talk) 08:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. A valid rationale for deletion is not present. See

WP:DEL-REASON for examples of valid rationales. North America1000 09:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Zərnəli

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Are this kind of articles even allowed in English Wikipedia? Harut111 (talk) 13:01, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of American firefighters killed in the line of duty

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Only one source, poorly defined list with small amounts of content. RF23 (talk) 12:27, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Sentiment seems against my view. Fallen fire fighters are an obvious-to-me important topic, so I don't like this. But there was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Cal Fire firefighters killed in the line of duty which led to the removal from Wikipedia of an explicit list of California firefighters, although the deletion-nominated article was converted to California Firefighters Memorial, which survives. It seems that others' taste is not to have a list of persons who are not themselves obviously individually notable (i.e. they don't have separate Wikipedia articles).
Perhaps, development-wise, it would be better to develop first a List of firefighting memorials (currently a redlink), corresponding to Category:Firefighting memorials. This would surely be accepted as there are numerous Wikipedia-notable examples (which have articles). Also, towards developing a list of individual fallen firefighters, it would help to create an explicit category for them, and to include examples such as James J. Kenney. Then later it would be feasible to create a list-article which would survive deletion pressure.
For the record, the current article states "This is a list of American firefighters killed in the line of duty. The list includes individuals whose deaths received either significant local, national, or international attention" and its significant content is the following table, which lists just nine persons, none having articles yet. There is no indication these are more significant than any others.
First Name Last Name Incident Date Cause Of Death Nature Of Death Location
Robert Pollard December 31, 1999 Stress/Overexertion Cerebrovascular Accident New York City
Lee Purdy January 8, 2000 Stress/Overexertion Heart Attack New York City
Ronald Osadacz January 11, 2000 Stress/Overexertion Heart Attack New York City
Allen Streeter January 11, 2000 Stress/Overexertion Heart Attack New York City[1]
John Bellew January 23, 2005 Fall Blunt Force Trauma (Black Sunday (2005)) The Bronx, NY
Curtis Meyran January 23, 2005 Fall Blunt Force Trauma (Black Sunday (2005)) The Bronx, NY
Richard Scalfani January 23, 2005 House Fire Asphyxiation (Black Sunday (2005)) Brooklyn, NY
Larry Leggio October 12, 2015 Building Collapse Blunt Force Trauma Kansas City, MO
John Mesh October 12, 2015 Building Collapse Blunt Force Trauma Kansas City, MO
To reiterate, fallen firefighters are obviously (to me) significant, and having a list-article of at least the more prominent/notable ones (at least all the ones having separate Wikipedia articles about them) is obviously acceptable in the long term in Wikipedia. Arguments that it will be "too many" are just misguided, IMHO. But there does need to be some prioritization, some clarity in presentation about why the ones presented in a given list are chosen. The current version could/should be modified to do that, IMHO, but that is not yet happening. I hope my suggestions on a way forward are helpful for future editors. --Doncram (talk) 02:06, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Oregon State University. Sandstein 20:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Orange Media Network

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Well-written but promotional article, not really meeting

WP:NORG, citing only internal sources. COI of major contributor has been correctly declare on the article talk page - project done as part of course work. Students should be pleased they've done a good job in constructing it (if you overlook all the bare urls in the refs). But does subject merit a page here on this encyclopaedia? I really don't feel it does. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:22, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was Wrong forum. Merger nominations are made on the article talk page. Sandstein 20:56, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bit bucket

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Propose merge with

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The result was delete. Anarchyte (work | talk) 15:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Rock

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Completely unsourced, doesn't seem to be notable. RF23 (talk) 10:59, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Alice Cooper (band). And elsewhere as appropriate. Sandstein 20:55, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Spiders (American rock band)

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Not notable on their own right, info should be merged into Alice Cooper and Alice Cooper group articles. RF23 (talk) 10:30, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Wreck-It Ralph. When you've filtered out the COI and socks, there's a reasonable consensus for a redirect here. Black Kite (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fix-It Felix Jr

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Lack of reliable 3rd party coverage - there's YouTube stuff and fan blogs, and that's it. Notable as an item within Wreck-It Ralph, but not on its own. As there has been some edit warring, some clear decision seems desirable here. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:07, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just added by the OP before taking a holiday: [38] - a bit of coverage. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:25, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep.

(non-admin closure) — Zawl 00:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Latin house

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No sourcing found, no notability asserted Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 09:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Nominator was pointed towards Google Books when this was deproded, where sources such as these can be found: [39], [40], [41], [42], [43], [44], [45]. See also [46]. May be appropriately merged to House music, but I suspect that given a little effort there will prove to be enough for a separate article. --Michig (talk) 10:30, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Michig: You seem lost. Sources go in the article, not in the AFD. Try again. And most of those don't load for me anyway, or onlymention it trivially. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Joshua Stavans, "House", in Ilan Stavans's Latin Music: Musicians, Genres, and Themes, pp. 337–38. Greenwood/ABC-CLIO 2014 ISBN 9780313343964 "While Nervous Records was exposing the world to Latin house, other labels and artists were also doing the same. Ralphie's track “Da-Me-Lo” became a huge hit in the United States and his remix of Albita's “No Parece a Nada” also saw major attention from house DJs across the United States. During the mid 1990s, Latin house was also heavily explored by the Cutting Label who signed DJ and producer Norty Cotto."
  • John Storm Roberts (1999). The Latin Tinge: The Impact of Latin American Music on the United States, page 239. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195121018 "Despite the wild and woolly frontiersmanship around the edges of the idiom, later work shows that Latin house is not simply a free-for-all. The young groups recording on the small Cutting label in the late 19905 show enormous variety. But they all, in their different ways, pillage older styles—mostly Latin—for their own purposes..."
  • Simon Broughton, Mark Ellingham, Richard Trillo (1999) World Music: Latin & North America, Caribbean, India, Asia and Pacific, pp 418, 646. Rough Guides. ISBN 9781858286365 "But in Washington Heights, the overwhelmingly Dominican barrio that produced them, hundreds of imitators are cropping up, performing live street shows, subway revues and house parties in the hopes of being discovered by the recording industry — which is hot right now for Latin house."
  • Cristina Veran (April 1998). "El Ritmo", page 153 in Vibe magazine. "Danny and Victor Vargas wrote and produced a consistent stream of Latin house hits under numerous names..."
  • Marcello Carlin (2011). The Blue in the Air, pp. 116–117. John Hunt Publishing. ISBN 9781846947711
  • Lionel Cantu (2009). The Sexuality of Migration: Border Crossings and Mexican Immigrant Men, page 143. NYU Press. ISBN 9780814758496 "Some, such as Arena in Hollywood, target a younger clientele with a 'rave' type of atmosphere and a mix of Latin House, Rock en Español, and some more mainstream queer dance music. These types of clubs are perhaps best described as American gay bars with a Latin flavor; that is, they are very similar in most respects to mainstream gay clubs except that the majority of the patrons are Latino."
  • Ramon Rivera-Servera (2012). Performing Queer Latinidad: Dance, Sexuality, Politics, page 159. University of Michigan Press. ISBN 9780472051397 "Contemporary club music, especially Latin House and Jungle, use Latin motifs as rhythmic overlays onto contemporary pop music. For example, just like in the case of Selena's club remixes, a recent Latin house version of Pink's 'Get the Party Started' at Escuelita, a Latina/o gay club in midtown Manhattan, brought up the energy of the song with the cutting in of fast-paced percussion that looped after each repetition of the title phrase. As such, Afro-Latin rhythm functions as a global text, mass produced and circulated around the globe as a marker of latinidad."
  • Stephen Amico (2013). "Su Casa es Mi Casa: Latin House, Sexuality, Place", in Sheila Whiteley, Jennifer Rycenga Queering the Popular Pitch, pp. 131–54 Routledge. ISBN 9781136093708 (This is a musicologist/sociologist analysis of Latin house music, talking about the musical sources, the typical rhythmic patterns, and the short history of the genre in society, especially among gay clubgoers.)
I should note that it wasn't fair for me to say that none of my sources were shared with Michig. In fact most of my sources – five of them – were the same. These are good sources which should not have been dismissed by TPH. Binksternet (talk) 23:56, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep.

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Dillon Fence

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No sourcing found whatsoever, utterly fails

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The result was delete. I do not userfy articles, but other admins may. Sandstein 20:54, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Diana Evangelista

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Contested Prod. Some sources have been added since but the subject still fails

WP:GNG
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  1. ligafemenil.mx - this is a
    primary source
    and not suitable to support GNG
  2. diariodecolima.com - this is a very brief article that does nothing other than confirm she plays for Monterrey
  3. elcomentario.ucol.mx - this is a
    primary source
    and not suitable to support GNG as it is the newspaper of the university she attends, Universidad de Colima
  4. afmedios.com - this is a very brief routine match report about a game she played at the World Student Games. She's mentioned very briefly and there is essentially nothing of significance that could be used to build an encyclopedic article.
  5. primeraplanamx.com this does contain some content that could be used to support GNG, but a quarter of the article is concerned with the WSG team selection.
  6. afmedios.com another very brief article that notes only a few games she plays in and confirms participation in the WSG. There is nothing of significance here that has not been dealt with in sources above (I'm not sure why we have four sources confirming WSG participation anyway).
  7. excelsior.com.mx - this is a routine match report. The player is mentioned by name only. This is the definition of trivial coverage
  8. fmfstateofmind.com - This is a routine match summary. The player is mentioned by name only. This is the definition of trivial coverage again. Fenix down (talk) 09:14, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't believe there is a realistic chance of this indinitial passing GNG in the near future. Im not sure of the benefits of userfying at this stage. I'm not prepared to userfy but am a happy to abide by whatever consensus is achieved here. Fenix down (talk) 23:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Request Will the closing editor here please userfy this article or move to draft so it can be improved? Hmlarson (talk) 00:39, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy or move to draft. I have no idea how successful
    $$$. I'm not comfortable with an attempted mass deletion of articles on athletes who are all women in Mexico, as I have concern about WP:Systemic bias. It doesn't cost anything to let the articles mature for a while, particularly if there is a group of editors who are willing to work on them. Jack N. Stock (talk) 02:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:53, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All-Japan Judo Federation sexual abuse allegations

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This was a contested Prod with no reason given. The original Prod was No hint that any of this was sexual in nature. Harsh training at an unacceptable level, bullying. Article in its current state is poorly translated, mis-titled, and mis categorized. PRehse (talk) 08:53, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Since I don't see anything in the article that discusses the title, I think the proper vote is Delete. Papaursa (talk) 15:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted by Callanecc, CSD G5: Created by a blocked user in violation of ban or block. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 10:39, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

National Council of Churches in Pakistan

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All of the sources cited are either unreliable or non-indepedent of the subject. there is passing mentions in some news releases but no-indepth coverage. Saqib (talk) 07:35, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted by Callanecc, CSD G5: Created by a blocked user in violation of ban or block Malcolmxl5 (talk) 10:41, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Akhuwat

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passing mentions only and no-indepth coverage in the RS. I think it fails

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Keep- Hi Saqib, Have you check ever what is this organization about? It has a vital part in Pakistan for poverty alleviation. Please look on these Pakistani Government websites which are mentioning there work.

News Coverage is already cited in the article. EShami (talk) 10:22, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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An organization is considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, and independent secondary sources, not in government sources so please don't use government sources. So please don't violate
WP:PRIMARY SOURCE by citing affiliated government sources which would obviously glorify anything about the topic - due to very same reason BISP page on Akhuwat unsurprisingly states "Akhuwat, world’s largest interest free microfinance program." Usage of gov sources Its also trigger COI and compromise the neutrality of the article. Also please note, Wikipedia:Existence ≠ Notability. --Saqib (talk) 12:03, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. Killiondude (talk) 07:26, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bioenvironmental Engineering

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Unsourced meandering, no sources found Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:18, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep - come on man. The style of the article may need some work and certainly it needs sources, but those exist in spades. How much more official than this do you want it? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete.

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Kenneth Kimmins

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Delete: as insufficiently

notable actor. Quis separabit? 07:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was soft delete.

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Company (Heroes)

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Literally 100% in-universe. No out-of-world notability, just a huge whack of fancruft Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:27, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:48, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Generals and admirals of World War I and World War II

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This list is an amalgamation of topics that together simply do not make sense in NPOV way. Why mix World War I and World War II leaders? Why mix admirals and generals? Furthermore, the author(s) of this page have insisted on including only the "notable" generals and admirals AKA whichever ones they deem important or relevant enough. The lead reads "The following list includes notable

Charles De Gaulle, or Bernard Montgomery, and generals from countries that participated in World War I but were neutral during World War II, such as Turkish field marshal Fevzi Çakmak." (it pays to see the remainder of the body text in this article under "Axis" to see how the authors define their own criteria without any basis in sources). Noting this alongside the fact that the article only has two measly citations to a source of dubious quality for two of the list points, this is essentially an essay list. No sources as far as I know have established the notability of WWI generals and admirals that "served in some capacity with their country's military" during WWII. Note that we also have more proper lists such as Axis leaders of World War II, Allied leaders of World War II, and Allied leaders of World War I that handle the information as it should be (I say this to emphasize that there is nothing to salvage from this article.) Indy beetle (talk) 04:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete, non-notable intersection, no need to conflate the two wars, doing so creates multiple overlap problems. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 09:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It's still a work in progress which, when finished, will provide military historians with the names of every WWI general who participated in WWII. Admirals, being the naval counterpart to generals, may also receive their own article, or a separate section in this one. None of the other three articles listed contain information about the wars in which the leaders served, or (for the article on WWII generals) the rank they held in November 1918. The article on leaders doesn't distinguish between civilians and military officers. It also splits the Axis and Allies into two separate articles, rather than having everything on one page for ease of use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 53zodiac (talk • contribs) 11:22, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I don't have an opinion to share on whether this sort of thing should be kept, but if this is supposed to be an intersection of people who were generals or admirals in both wars, the current article title doesn't convey that. — Warren. ‘ talk , 16:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete- this is a really bizarre topic for a list. Why would we mix two different wars? Since we already have the other list articles mentioned above, we can safely delete this without losing anything.--
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  • Delete, non-notable list, in and of itself, subjective, incomplete amalgamation. Kierzek (talk) 18:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - What if the admirals were removed and the article renamed to its original title Generals of World War I and World War II? The references have also been updated, although I think they are unnecessary because all the info is in the article about the individual general — Preceding unsigned comment added by 53zodiac (talk • contribs) 18:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But why mix the generals of two different wars together? Especially under this contrived criteria? Also sourcing for any list on Wikipedia or any article is of the utmost importance. I could maybe see a "List of Allied military leaders of World War I" as fork of the Allied leaders of World War I list or similar. At any rate, I'd talk it over with the people at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history before creating such a list. -Indy beetle (talk) 20:37, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This article only includes individuals who served as generals in both wars (being promoted to general before 1918, and still in service with their country's military after 1939). The two World Wars were less than 20 years apart, and the First had a big impact on the Second. If the title is confusing, I'm open to suggestions for an alternative.
  • Weak keep – mildly interesting, the new name is a vast improvement, I was going to suggest
    talk) 12:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC).[reply
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Excellent suggestion Cavalryman. I'll change it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 53zodiac (talk • contribs) 12:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Neutral Passing off a list as an article is confusing. And I am led to wonder, What is the utility of this list?Georgejdorner (talk) 22:47, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- Does not meet
    WP:LISTN; an unencyclopedic cross categorisation. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:59, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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This is different Coffman. It would be an unencyclopedic cross categorization if it was only about British or Americans who served as generals in both world wars. As you can see however this article includes generals from every country, and both Axis and Allies. User:53zodiac —Preceding undated comment added 20:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:20, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Deljou Art Group

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References are to the subject's own site, mapquest, something blank, and a very niche art expo writeup. A preliminary

WP:BEFORE didn't unearth much more. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 04:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. Killiondude (talk) 08:00, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Freeciv

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Could potentially be merged into the Civilization series article, or made part of a larger article on Civilization mods... or it could just as easily be deleted as there appear to be no sources beyond the primary kind. Coin945 (talk) 04:02, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Plenty of RS to estabilish notability:
pro-linux.de: [53] (1999), [54] (2013; version 2.4.0), [55] (2015; version 2.5.0), [56] (2017; news about 3D web version)
heise.de/iX: [57] (2015; FreeCiv and AI), [58] (2017; short news about 3D web version)
Linux Magazin: [59] (issue 10/2001; coverage in column by Georg C. F. Greve)
Amiga Future (coverage of the Amiga version): [60] (December 2000/January 2001 - issue 28, pp. 40-41), [61] (September/October 2002 - issue 38, pp. 46-47), (November/December 2002 - issue 39, pp. 23-25; play tips) Pavlor (talk) 14:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep While this open-source software title is inspired by the original Civilization, it is an entirely different development. This freeware title is actually mentioned in that article. I think it is distinctive enough that this article should remain separate and not merged into the Civilization (series) article. Nutster (talk) 16:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep German Linux articles are enough Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Creatures in the Metroid series

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This is a procedural nomination per consensus at its latest RfD (was an article converted to redirect & now consensus is to restore article and send to AfD for consideration). I am neutral in this discussion/nomination. TheSandDoctor (talk) 03:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FK Stanišić

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Doesn't appear to meet

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:17, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Items in the Metroid series

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This is a procedural nomination that I am nominating per this RfD (log page link). I am neutral in this discussion. TheSandDoctor (talk) 02:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Michig (talk) 08:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole Kersh

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An advertorially toned page on an unremarkable entrepreneur. Significant RS coverage not found. Page cited to passing mentions and

WP:SPIP sources. Separately, I nominated the subject's company for discussion as well; please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/4cabling. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment - some of the sources cited in the article (like the first three) appear to give the subject significant coverage without being primary-source interviews. Is there something about them that makes them non-RS? ~Anachronist (talk) 01:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2 out of three sources are based on interviews, as in:
  • [Kersh] founded the business seven years ago and says it is now turning over about $8 million a year. (...) "That's why we stood up and took notice when, a few years ago, a guy started up a competing business", she said. Source
  • "It's never been my dream to sell cables", Kersh says... (another source)
The first source describes Kersh being named as Young Manager of the Year for New South Wales, but this does not seem to be a significant enough honour. Much of the article is built on self promotion; the subject has not achieved anything significant just yet to warrant an encyclopedia article. Both pages are part of the walled garden created by the same contributor, presumably with a promotional intent. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:46, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As I explained in your other AFD, coverage based on interviews isn't the same as interviews. One is reporting by a reliable source, the other is equivalent to a primary source. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:38, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete.

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Cassius Jay

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No evidence of

musical notability. This article has no independent sources. Google search does not turn up any independent sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:21, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete no evidence that Jay meets the notability guidelines for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:15, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete.

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DJ Nestle

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Does not meet the

general notability criteria. I am unable to find reliable, independent sources that discuss the subject in any kind of depth. The sources provided in the article are simply links to mixtapes with no indication that these mixtapes are even close to notable. To top it off, his website is a dead link. Pichpich (talk) 01:05, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete: promotional article about an unremarkable DJ lacking in significant coverage in reliable sources. The awards won are not only unverifiable but also un-notable and insufficient in conferring automatic notability on the subject. A Google search yields nothing but audio and video links of his songs. Nothing substantial to warrant passing
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The result was delete the comments with the most basis in policy and analysis of sourcing were on the side of deletion here. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ozi Amanat

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Struggling to find independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources - lack of

WP:SPA. Deleted in 2010, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ozi Amanat. Edwardx (talk) 15:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Keep: The subject is a multi-millionaire, and founder of K2 VC and K2 Global, a 250$ million dollar company, And serving as Chief Investment Officer for 2 billion dollar company Spice Global. Notability clearly asserted in text and supported by ample sources. Indeed, it clearly passes Wikipedia General Notability Guidelines. A quick source check shows several more Google news sources.

Alos, considering him a notable investor, who has invested in several renowned and notable companies including Facebook, Twitter, Uber, Spotify, Alibaba, Palantir, Airbnb, Twilio, Magic Leap and Paytm, I tend to keep.

However, article may need

FIXing the problem is more better.--223.180.28.98 (talk) 07:15, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, A Traintalk 20:10, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Nearly all articles provided as "references" are about the investment company, not Amanat, and only mention him briefly as the founder. As an example, from the article's Straits Times reference:

    The investment firm, led by Singapore-based chief Ozi Amanat...

    And the Yahoo Finance reference:

    The investment firm, led by Ozi Amanat...

    That's the only mention of him in those sources. These articles aren't about Amanat, and notability is
    WP:BLP. Shelbystripes (talk) 20:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep There are enough sources to meet
    WP:NOTCLEANUP SeraphWiki (talk) 04:32, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Power~enwiki: --223.180.18.201 (talk) 16:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 00:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete coverage isn't about him. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:43, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The references are not about him or only mention his name in association with K2 VC. Being part of a losing bid for Forbes does not add notability. I am a multi-millionaire and a company starter and investor in some of those companies and I am sure none of that makes me notable. David notMD (talk) 22:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I agree with the points made above. I do believe the article meets the criteria of notability. The article can be improved by adding more ref. Deletion is not the solution. --106.209.236.196 (talk) 17:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to K2 Global, which is what most of the coverage is about. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:39, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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