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The result was redirect‎ to List of Bulgaria women's international footballers. Daniel (talk) 17:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aneliya Kukunova

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Redirect to

WP:GNG. All that came up in my searches were passing mentions such as 1, 2, and 3. JTtheOG (talk) 23:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect‎ to Ale Kino! International Young Audience Film Festival. Daniel (talk) 17:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

33rd Ale Kino! Festival

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A N/C at the last AfD and unsurprisingly, no coverage of the specific year's events has turned up in the intervening years. A redirect to Ale Kino! International Young Audience Film Festival would be fine but didn't want to do it unilaterally following an AfD. Star Mississippi 23:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Al Fateh

The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ yaguzi (talk) 00:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This article overwhelmingly relies on uncited web pages of the

WP:HOAX). (proposed by Yaguzi) yaguzi (talk) 23:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Keep The suggestion this is somehow a hoax does not bear even the slightest scrutiny. A quick
WP:BEFORE
search shows many works discussing this publication, e.g.:
  • Mozes and Weimann, The E-Marketing Strategy of Hamas (2009), Studies in Conflict & Terrorism [1] (paywall)
  • IMPACT-E, Al-Fateh – The Hamas Web Magazine for Children: Incitement to Terror, Annihilation and Self-Destruction [2]
  • Boaz Ganor, Katharina von Knop, Using the Internet for Terrorist Recruitment and Mobilization in Carlos A. M, Hypermedia Seduction for Terrorist Recruiting, [3]
Many of the cites on the web page are more like blog-post pieces than mainstream journalism, but the suggestion that sources connected to Israel are inherently unreliable seems unsupportable. If there are pro-Al-Fateh
reliable sources discussing this publication someone can add them to the article but false balance isn't balance either. Oblivy (talk) 04:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
If you take the time to scrutinize each of these sources, it becomes apparent that no non-internet based sources exist to support the fact that the magazine ever existed. The only link that the first article makes between Hamas and the magazine is as such:
"In this site the connection to the Hamas organization is the clearest. The Hamas logo and the operational division logo are both shown clearly."
If anything, this now-defunct website is not affiliated with a print magazine, and has questionable institutional links to Hamas. yaguzi (talk) 18:48, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As pointed out above, no notability problem.
    WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP does apply. gidonb (talk) 15:07, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    a university, a hospital, the Arabic rendition of the honorific name for Mehmed II, and is simply a common word in Arabic. Furthermore, there seems to have been another magazine with an entirely different political ideology operating in Pakistan, according to this scholarly article. I do not think that renaming the article is a solution for this either, given the lack of notability as I have restated above. yaguzi (talk) 19:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
There is absolutely no need to argue with each participant in an AfD. In fact there is a strong recommendation against that. Rather, you should assume that each respondent has already read your intro and taken it into full consideration, ahead of doing their own due dilligence and reaching their conclusions. Some of the claims you made above are plainly wrong and fit into a wider scheme of unnescessary AfD nominations and creation of POVFORKs that tend to conincide with times of political tension. Here are a few good sources:
The article by Weimann has later been updated and the mention of the Al-Fateh website above is not in passing.
WP:SPINOFF for the Hamas article. Gabriel Weimann is a fine academic and an authority in his field, Dudi Goldman a famous Israeli journalist. Goldman has an article at Hewiki and should have one here as well. Your nomination and the suggestion that this is a hoax are not serious and waste time for the WP community. Arguing with each participant worsens the impact. gidonb (talk) 23:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
I must admit that I was unaware of the recommendation against replying, which I had attempted in good faith — I am not too used to deletion requests, as I usually like to add to Wikipedia.
Iin light of these more credible sources, I will update the article (and perhaps move it to "Al Fateh (magazine)", given my reasoning above), and close this discussion via speedy keep. yaguzi (talk) 00:20, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Daniel (talk) 17:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Samsung SCH-U470

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I don't see any evidence that this was a notable Samsung mobile and am unable to find a viable redirect target within the worlds of Samsung or Verizon Wireless. Star Mississippi 23:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: I've added two significant coverage sources. This model, usually under the name "Juke", received far more news coverage than most Samsung models, and we have an article pretty much for every one of the others. Owen× ☎ 13:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Since there are articles about every iPhone model, then this device deserves an article, too. -Mardus /talk 19:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Subject just meets the
    WP:GNG with the current sources, primarily due to its notable design. User:Let'srun 18:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 03:16, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of the United States, Wellington

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There was an opinion voiced here that this embassy is notable. Rather than risk having the entire mass nomination derailed, I’ve decided to split off this one. Naturally, I disagree that it’s notable: a couple of bomb scares and a security boost — something common to pretty much all US embassies — do not make for a notable building; they’re entirely routine coverage. — Biruitorul Talk 22:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep I've expanded the article and it now focusses on the embassy building and its predecessors. The current building was purpose-built in 1977. Unfortunately, there's only a South Island newspaper (The Press) available online; none of the Wellington papers are accessible. Still, The Press had quite decent coverage when the new building was dedicated on 3 July 1977. User:Kiwichris, if you happen to be at the National Library over the next few days, would you mind having a look how the Wellington newspapers reported on the event? Schwede66 04:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I probably won't be able to get to the National Library while this AfD is active. I have however added some more recent (but offline) info from Wellington papers about the embassy. Kiwichris (talk) 03:33, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - Focusing on the building itself was a good decision. — Maile (talk) 02:46, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 19:38, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, The Future!

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I am unable to find evidence that Dieker or the band (also Dieker) meet N:MUSIC. A BEFORE identifies only interviews and social media sourcing. NB: there are a lot of hits as someone with this name writes for Bankrate. Star Mississippi 23:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dieker (yes, the same one) seems to have shifted away from music to become a full time writer. As a writer she is the author of the "Larkin Day" series of murder mysteries (book #4 is in-process), a few other books and a gazillion freelance "personal finance" articles for a variety of periodicals (including but not limited to Bankrate). Here's her Vox bio; here's the mystery series and here's her Amazon page.
...but so far as I can tell, the band is on hiatus. I think I'd have to agree she's not particularly notable now as a Band.
Blogjack (talk) 04:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What the heck, I just contacted Dieker (we used to be colleagues) and confirmed the band is defunct. I wrote most of this article ages ago while working to fill out coverage of "nerd-folk" as a musical category. At the time the band was still active and doing interesting things, but it never "broke out"; she's done with it and has moved on.
So unless someone has an argument that the article SHOULDN'T be removed, let's go ahead and remove it. Blogjack (talk) 20:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Once arguably almost-notable, but not currently so. --Blogjack (talk) 20:24, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No clear argument for notability. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 17:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 23:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Philippe Étienne (athlete)

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No indication of notability. Never won a medal and placed 24th in the 1975 Pan American Games,. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 16:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep, thank you for nominating this article for deletion because it gives us a chance to improve it. This subject is very difficult to research because his name is the same as a prominent French ambassador and most Haitian sources are in French. What we do know is that he competed at six events at major international championships (100m and 200m at 1976 Olympics, 1975 Pan Ams, 1975 University Games) and that he was an associate of then-president
    Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier. These connections need to be looked into further before a deletion decision is made. --Habst (talk) 14:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Delete. A person who could run a bit, but sadly not fast enough to make them remotely notable on that count. MisterWizzy (talk) 13:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @MisterWizzy, thank you for your reply. This discussion is a difficult one because we decide whether to keep an article based on notability, not speed -- although the two are definitely correlated. Étienne ran the men's 200m at the 1976 Olympics. I did the research, and it appears that every single 200m Olympian currently has an article from 2020, 2016, 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1984, 1980, 1976, 1972, 1968, 1964, 1960, 1956, 1952, 1948, 1936, 1932, and 1928.
    I had to go all the way back to 1924 to find a single men's 200m athlete without an article. It would defy probability to say that Étienne is the only 200m Olympian, including many of his contemporaries who were slower than him, from that time period out of thousands who is not notable. This combined with the fact that his name is the same as a prominent French ambassador, is why I think what we do know about him needs to be researched further before we decide to delete. What do you think? --Habst (talk) 17:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per nom. Getting into the Olympics because he's a pal of a dictator does not constitute notability.
    WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument either. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:08, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    @Clarityfiend, thank you for your vote because it helps us think more about the article. The reason why I brought up Étienne's probable association with Duvalier is because I think it might be one of many leads for research on reliable sources. For example, see the article about Dieudonné LaMothe, who was a contemporary of Étienne and selected for the same reason, and there are many reliable sources about him.
    re
    WP:NSPORTS are laid out to say "reliable sources are likely to exist for these articles if..." If sources exist for hundreds (thousands?) of other 200m Olympians without exception since 1928, it would stand to reason that sources likely exist for Étienne too -- we just need to find them, which is why I think we need to investigate the leads we have further before proceeding to delete. What do you think about that? --Habst (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Delete: Subject does not meet the
    WP:MUSTBESOURCES. A note to Habst, this subject ran in the 100m, not the 200m. User:Let'srun 17:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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    @
    WP:LIBRARY that cover Haiti from that time period. Do you know of any leads? --Habst (talk) 18:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was Tainted mess‎ courtesy of a brand new account, and a separate obvious scammer targeting the article and AfD. Any established editor is welcome to bring this back to AfD if folks believe Al-Ghaili is not notable. NB: the page being "poorly cited" is a reason for clean up, not deletion. I recommend that be addressed or deemed not possible via a BEFORE prior to any further nomination. Star Mississippi 17:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hashem Al-Ghaili

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Why the page should be deleted Vinnyb1322 (talk) 20:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Page in question is poorly cited, primarily drawing from the subjects personal social media feeds rather than a reliable source (See: Wikipedia:Reliable sources).

Additionally, the page is for a figure of minimal public note. Arguably, the figure in question does not meet the Wikipedia guidelines for notability.

Comment Vinnyb1322, your sole purpose on Wikipedia seems to be to get this article deleted. Why did it attract your interest, as a new editor? How did you discover AFD on your first day as an editor? Liz Read! Talk! 18:53, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good question, and a completely fair assertion! I'm a frequent user of Wikipedia, but have never contributed. I learned about the AfD process in the book "All the Knowledge in the World" by Simon Garfield. This book is what made me curious in contributing more to the site.
I came across the article, and found the content to be inappropriate for Wikipedia. Reviewing the talk page, the discussion is primarily skeptical of the content of the page. With one Wikipedian saying in 2018 that they would nominate the page for deletion if they were more familiar with the process.
The page is worded in an aggrandizing manner, and reads more like a brag sheet or resume than an unbiased collection of facts. I attempted to clean up the article myself, but while attempting to find more reliable sources for the information in the article I came up empty handed. That's why I moved towards deleting the page! Vinnyb1322 (talk) 19:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Vinnyb1322, well, I appreciate the full explanation. I think you can understand how this is atypical behavior for a brand new editor. I'm relisting this discussion so hopefully, it can get more opinions for other editors. Liz Read! Talk! 23:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with Vinnyb1322's assertion that this page should be deleted. Instead, it needs to be improved using updated sources. I have done a quick search and there is sufficient reliable sources about this public figure. I'm listing some of them here:
- BBC: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180222-the-man-with-16-million-fans
- CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/nuclear-sky-hotel/index.html
- Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/cindygordon/2022/12/11/human-population-and-a-technology-innovation-to-blow-your-mind/?sh=1b51c9b219d6
- Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/duncanmadden/2022/07/01/would-you-take-a-sky-cruise-in-a-nuclear-powered-flying-hotel/?sh=4c1cac76e0e8
- New York Post: https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/inside-giant-flying-luxury-hotel-that-can-stay-in-the-air-for-years/
- The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/sky-cruise-flying-hotel-ai-nuclear-b2110050.html
- Interesting Engineering: https://interestingengineering.com/science/hashem-al-ghaili-interview-sci-fi-film-orbital
- Interesting Engineering: https://interestingengineering.com/culture/megastructure-orbital-ring-around-earth-film
- Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11529371/Could-BIRTHING-PODS-solve-Elon-Musks-fears-population-collapse.html
- Design Boom: https://www.designboom.com/technology/hashem-al-ghaili-ectolife-the-worlds-first-artificial-womb-facility-12-14-2022/
- DW: https://www.dw.com/en/successful-on-facebook-hashem-al-ghailis-advice-for-the-right-strategy/a-36369881
- Space.com: https://www.space.com/orbital-indie-sci-fi-trailer
- Arab News: https://www.arabnews.com/node/1336071/middle-east
- The Mirror: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/flying-hotel-never-lands-could-27333572
- Metro UK: https://metro.co.uk/2022/06/27/design-for-a-nuclear-powered-flying-hotel-with-swimming-pool-16899357/
- Alarabiya English: https://english.alarabiya.net/media/digital/2018/02/22/How-a-Yemeni-man-s-love-for-science-got-him-16-million-followers-on-Facebook
There are a lot of links that can be used to improve this page. Also, Al-Ghaili has delivered 4 TEDx talks in global platforms:
1. TEDxCluj: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT-0oGDJqyo
2. TEDxRoma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5H9uGSZTyk
3. TEDxZagreb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COsVj2zb6s0
4. TEDxZolior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULKQiARO6y4
- His Facebook page has over 34 million followers: https://www.facebook.com/ScienceNaturePage
- On his website, he mentions to have garnered 21 billion views: https://hashem-alghaili.com/
- He has published a Sci-Fi novel this year: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197170429-simulation
- He has an upcoming Sci-Fi film with a trailer that garnered over 4 million views on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngO6Mnmzc8A&feature=shared
- He published two viral technology-related concepts of his own:
1. Sky Cruise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrodDBJdGuo&feature=shared
2. EctoLife artificial womb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2RIvJ1U7RE&feature=shared
My suggestion is to improve the page with new sources rather than delete it. 87.200.57.238 (talk) 01:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! This is me, Hashem Al-Ghaili. The proposal to delete this page appears to be part of a bigger scam. I received extortion emails that demanded payments in exchange for keeping the page active. You can find the emails here: https://i.imgur.com/oLafmJC.png
The scammer is demanding a payment of $1999 to edit the page and keep it active. Is this scam run by Vinnyb1322? It's hard to tell. But one thing for sure, Vinnyb1322's account was created just to flag this article for deletion. He has never contributed to Wikipedia before, apart from proposing this article for deletion. I think it's important to protect Wikipedia's integrity by not allowing such scams to take over the platform.
I shared what I experienced on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/18epc01/a_wikipedia_admin_is_threatening_to_delete_my/
The comments there were helpful and made me confirm that there is indeed an ongoing scam behind the proposed deletion of this page. Needless to say, I'm more than happy to assist Wikipedia's admins in improving the page if the decision is to keep it. I can do so by providing authentic, reliable and up-to-date sources. However, I won't be writing about myself for self-promotion. I would rather let my work speak for itself. Thank you! HashemAlghaili (talk) 05:34, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome! If it interests you, there is currently a discussion about this scam on
WP:ANI
, where you would be more than welcome to participate and help us!
Regarding the page, it's best for you not to write about yourself directly. There are many
guidelines in place for people writing about themselves, and it's recommended to propose edits on the talk page rather than to edit your own article directly. Happy editing, ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 06:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
As an actual administrator (in fact, the third to comment here, after Liz and Ganesha): lmao. jp×g🗯️ 03:17, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Is this from something I did incorrectly, or would this be a scam that just trolls for new AfD discussions and uses them to extort people?
I'd like to make it clear that I had nothing to do with that email. Vinnyb1322 (talk) 03:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It does seem kind of sus for this to be your first edit, but they also falsely claimed to be two other users they obviously weren't, so who knows. jp×g🗯️ 06:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reluctant Keep, per the BBC source from the IP, this Arab News report and this DW segment. I say reluctant because if we required BLPs to meet the equivalent of
    WP:CORPDEPTH he would fail by a wide margin, but that's not policy. Mach61 (talk) 04:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on

"soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 19:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Halon (software)

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Non-notable software product, sourcing I find is largely download sites, primary sources or simple listings among other types of programs. Oaktree b (talk) 20:53, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 18:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Saruda Konfay

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The subject, a Thai women's footballer, has not received enough coverage to meet

WP:SPORTCRIT. All that came up in my searches were passing mentions in match reports and squad lists (1, 2, 3, etc.) JTtheOG (talk) 20:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on

"soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 18:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Ulza Maksuti

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The subject, a Macedonian women's footballer, has not received enough coverage to meet

WP:SIGCOV is this, which isn't saying much. Everything else that came up in my searches were passing mentions like 1, 2, and 3. JTtheOG (talk) 20:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect‎ to List of Armenia women's international footballers. Daniel (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oksanna Pizlova

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Redirect to

WP:GNG. All that came up in my searches were passing mentions such as 1, 2, and 3. JTtheOG (talk) 20:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

International business development

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This is just an

WP:SYNTH essay, possibly an advertisement for the International Business Development Institute. Thenightaway (talk) 20:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PinpointBPS

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This is advertisement for a company called PinpointBPS. There is nothing that indicates that this "methodology for process improvement in laboratories" is notable. There are lots of sources in this article, but none of the independent reliable sources actually mention "PinpointBPS". In other words, the RS are used in a

WP:SYNTH way. Thenightaway (talk) 20:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Normally I would fully support a merge here as an AtD but given the content is entirely unsourced, I am less convinced on doing that. Should someone want to recover the content and source it to then merge to TNT Motorsports in the future, please leave me a talk page message and I'll undelete and redirect the article, so that the sourcing and merging process can take place. Daniel (talk) 18:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trucks and Tractor Power

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Article has been tagged as unsourced for over a decade - I did a Google search and the subject does not seem to be notable. Chidgk1 (talk) 20:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rule-developing experimentation

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This is a concept promoted by consultant Howard Moskowitz and collaborators. There is no substantial coverage of this concept in independent reliable sourcing. If there is anything worth keeping, it can be merged with the Moskovitz article. Thenightaway (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify‎. Daniel (talk) 17:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

War 2

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While this will almost certainly be a notable film prior to release, right now it still very much short of

WP:NFF and the coverage that's out there is just pre-release publicity hype. There isn't enough coverage of the production to show that it's notable. Article should be moved to draft space (which appears to have been tried once) and a semi-protected redirect to YRF Spy Universe created in it's place. Ravensfire (talk) 18:53, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Draftify: The movie has been confirmed and is in production and there is coverage on things relating to the movie, so based on that I would somewhat lean towards keeping the article. However, based on the coverage being frivolous for the most part, combined with the other merits of the topic itself, I think it's best remaining as a draft until coverage is sufficient. Waddles 🗩 🖉 23:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    100% concur with the draftify. Ravensfire (talk) 23:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tarun Joga: The Film started filming, many big media sources like Variety, Bollywood Hungama, Pinkvilla confirmed the cast, Shooting location, release date.This Page has passed the Draft to Article Submission too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarun Joga 38 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to draft would be the best for this article. Catfurball (talk) 16:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge‎ to DevOps as per OwenX's suggestion, per ATD. Daniel (talk) 17:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Artificial Intelligence for IT Operations

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This is not a notable concept or idea. There is no substantial coverage of this in reliable independent sources. As far as I can tell, this term is solely used by a consulting company to advertise its services. Thenightaway (talk) 18:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete
    WP:NOT. The purpose of this article appears to be disseminate ideas/thoughts rather than to have properly sourced encyclopedic contents. It shouldn't have been split, but condensed down. Graywalls (talk) 19:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Merge with DevOps: usage in IBM literature is not enough to establish independent notability, but is enough to ensure the term and key claims are verifiable, and sufficient for a one-paragraph section in the target article. Owen× ☎ 19:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to Don't Nod. Daniel (talk) 17:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lost Records: Bloom & Rage

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Fails

WP:CRYSTALBALL. The game was announced last night at The Game Awards 2023
, and aside from articles briefly covering the announcement trailer, and a couple covering a teaser image released in January 2023, there's nothing in-depth about the game itself or its development.

This is a contested

WP:BLAR, as there is a strong likelihood that closer to the game's release there will be sufficient sourcing for an article. There just isn't at this time. I suggest BLAR, redirecting to Don't Nod as an alternative to deletion. Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Redirect to Don't Nod until more information is made available. It's just an announcement at this time. TarkusABtalk/contrib 18:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect As textbook
    WP:TOOSOON. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Redirect per nom. OceanHok (talk) 09:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect per nom. QuietCicada - Talk 22:05, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do want it to be kept, but will respect a redirect. Although looking back at other Don't Nod games, I don't see an AFD for anything of them, even for Jusant, and Harmony: The Fall of Reverie. Why this game? Ebbedlila (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Looking at those two page histories, both were created as redirects. Harmony's redirect was removed 10 days after it was released. It could have used more content, particularly in the reception and development sections, but at that time as a released game it passed NVIDEOGAME and CRYSTALBALL.
    Jusant's redirect was removed a little over a month after it was created. At that time the game was still pending, and no release date beyond "Fall 2023" had been provided. There was however a playable demo, and Eurogamer had previewed it. That one was a bit more borderline than Harmony, and potentially could have been BLARed (and AfDed if the BLAR was challenged) under the same criteria as Lost Records. As for why no-one did it, I suspect the preview from Eurogamer helped a lot with establishing notability, though ultimately you'd be better asking the editors who contributed to the article prior to the game's release why they chose not to.
    Don't get me wrong, I think Lost Records will eventually meet at least one of our notability guidelines. And I hope to contribute to the article at that time as I am interested in it, along with several other trailers that came out at The Game Awards. The problem right now is that it does not pass our notability guidelines, and we have some pretty strong policy reasons for why we don't document speculative content, like games that have little more than an announcement trailer. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Daniel (talk) 17:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General jurisdiction

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As this article has been tagged uncited for over a decade how can the reader know that it is true without doing their own research? If the reader is non-human such as ChatGPT it could spread possibly untrue info widely. Also the dePROD reason including the words ‘not be non-notable’ is hard to understand. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:00, 8 December 2023 (UTC) WITHDRAWN BY NOMINATOR as article has now been cited thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 18:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Speedy keep, this is an important concept in U.S. law, addressed by a number of U.S. Supreme Court cases. BD2412 T 18:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    yes sorry WITHDRAW I had not noticed you were already improving the article Chidgk1 (talk) 18:20, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Jurisdiction#General_and_limited_jurisdiction: concept is indeed important in U.S. law, but is already covered, briefly, by the target article. Adding a mention of Stump v. Sparkman would complete the merge. Not enough here for a standalone page. Owen× ☎ 21:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, cited now. Merging can be discussed elsewhere but I suspect, it might be easier and more understandable for other articles that have to distinguish the concepts to have two separate articles to link. Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Satisfies GNG easily and by an exceptionally wide margin. This topic has received significant coverage in books and periodical articles. There are numerous periodical articles entirely about this topic, such as [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] and many more in Google Scholar. James500 (talk) 00:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but please note that Chidgk1 has asked to Withdraw the nom. I post separately just in case that escapes notice. This article meets GNG with sourcing from gScholar (and pretty much everywhere else). Cheers, Last1in (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was draftify‎. Can be expeditiously moved back at the point in the next few weeks that the tournament reaches a stage that this article can be fleshed out. Daniel (talk) 17:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Australian Open – Men's singles

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Organize this under

WP:TOOSOON. At present, the article is developed with a bunch of empty sections. There are two sources, but they're information about the 2023 Australian Open. 2024 Australian Open is currently a redirect. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Draftify for the next 1 and a half months, by which time we can expect this tournament to take place and therefore be able to fill up and reference the sections (unless something crazy happens between now and then). Iffy★Chat -- 18:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify does seem like the best course of action. The framework is fine and just needs to be modified and/or filled in as events unfold. If it's deleted, then somebody else will eventually have to come back and redo all this preliminary work. Yimingbao (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The 2023 version is little more than a month away. Does anybody seriously think the 2024 Open will go away? What a waste of time. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with the comment immediately above. Don't see the point in draftifying this for a short time. Duplication could occur. Better to treat as work in progress and keep. Bound to be notable and have an article. Rupples (talk) 05:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC) Amended my view following enlightenment from the nominator, below. Rupples (talk) 00:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The empty sections, as you call it, are indeed standardized tables, so that nobody uses its own bricolage. Contributions will come soon. Stemmerter (talk) 18:49, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify: There's only two references and one of them relates to the winner of last year. This is
    WP:TOOSOON TarnishedPathtalk 03:16, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Sources. In part talks about the 2024 Open.[10]. Kyrgios non-participation.[11] Brief guide[12]. Aussie wildcards.[13] 2024 changes [14]
    WP:TOOSOON is an essay not a policy, and challenges notability on events through lack of sources. The above sources aren't that in-depth but show the event is already being talked about. Rupples (talk) 04:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    I agree there's enough to start writing about the 2024 Australian Open right now, but that's not this article. Iffy★Chat -- 09:30, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep we are talking about one of the four biggest events of tennis... and it starts in four weeks. No reason to draftify if in two weeks the coverage will start to get massive. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment All of the Keep votes are like "trust me dude it will be big in like a couple of weeks". Anyone remember a pandemic that happened out of nowhere a few years ago that sort of stuffed everything like this up from happening? TarnishedPathtalk 12:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I do remember and if that happened we take it from there. It's more likely perhaps that if moved to draft another editor will recreate the article not noticing it's in draft space so we have two articles and potential duplication in main space. Rupples (talk) 14:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:OTHERTHINGS is not an argument for keep. TarnishedPathtalk 00:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    It is when we have a borderline article that in two weeks will be an overwhelming keeper. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, we're back at "trust me dude it will be big in like a couple of weeks". TarnishedPathtalk 04:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not arguing
    WP:CRYSTALBALL which states All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred and further Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Does anyone know how many times since the tournament began in 1905 it's been cancelled/postponed/delayed within a few weeks of its scheduled start date? My assumption is very few. COVID-19 merely delayed the 2021 tournament by 3 weeks. Rupples (talk) 04:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    As I said to someone else, I agree there's plenty of content we could add to 2024 Australian Open right now, but right now nobody's turned that redirect in to an article. This article however, is only needed once the draw is announced as we can't fit all of the tournament's draws in to a single article. Iffy★Chat -- 12:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Rupples: If someone tries to create an article that already exists in the draft space, they get a notice indicating that a draft already exists with a link to that draft (see Mailena or Castle of Baratuli, for example). If someone tries to create an article that already exists as a draft, they should be able to go contribute to that draft and potentially move it into the main space. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    OK. Thank you for this. My initial objection to draftifying was based on a practical consideration to prevent duplication. I'll move to a neutral position. Reason: if I'd known this I'd have been less likely to go for keep in the first place and consequently not backed that initial call with other arguments. Rupples (talk) 22:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify: Subject does not meet the
    WP:NORUSH should be heeded. User:Let'srun 15:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. To the editor - if you need any assistance with editing etc., I recommend contacting the

Wikipedia Teahouse who can assist new editors with their enquiries. Daniel (talk) 16:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Rishi Amatya

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NPERSON fail. There is only one non-primary source and it is either a passing mention or a potential paid source (given that multiple hits appear to repeat it word for word). Fermiboson (talk) 17:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for reviewing the page. But this is a page for new author and it is still being edited. Kindly assist. Phsssttt (talk) 17:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on

"soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 16:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Guardians Competition

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It does not appear to meet

WP:GNG. MarioGom (talk) 16:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 16:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kerry Vera

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Doesn't meet GNG or

WP:NMMA Nswix (talk) 16:20, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was Draftify‎. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Resisting AI: An Anti-fascist Approach to Artificial Intelligence

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NBOOK fail. All the reviews that could be found are blogs and otherwise not RS, and everything else is primary. Fermiboson (talk) 15:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Apologies I (Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 15:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)) am unfamiliar with discussions ... I was trying to edit that one of the review is already an article. I refer to this reference: Golumbia, D. (2023). Resisting AI: An Anti-fascist Approach to Artificial Intelligence, by Dan McQuillan. Critical AI, 1(1–2). doi:10.1215/2834703X-10734967. The Journal is Critical AI https://read.dukeupress.edu/critical-ai/[reply]
  • (Andrea Saltelli Saltean Thanks Wikishovel - I now read and insert the Computer Weekly one (the Orwell Society entry is already in).
  • Draftify while the article is being improved and the references are beefed up. Multiple mentions in Computer Weekly and other journals suggest notability, but we can reexamine the issue once we're ready to move the page back to main namespace. Owen× ☎ 16:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks Draftify. I am for the moment done with inserting the last review, so unless I receive more hints from the community I pause here. Thanks to all! Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 16:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Link 3 is fine, and two more, although the first is from his publisher [20], and [21] Oaktree b (talk) 17:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Oaktree. Trying now to get access to these pieces - my virtual library does not have them. Back as soon as I get them Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 07:49, 9 December 2023 (UTC).[reply]
    McQuillan, D., Jarke, J., & Pargman, T. C. (2023). We Are at an Extreme Point Where We Have to Go All in on What We Really Believe Education Should Be About. Postdigital Science and Education. doi:10.1007/s42438-023-00433-5
    Selkälä, T. (2022). Healthily futile: a quest for a different AI. Justice, Power and Resistance, 5(3), 322–330. Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 07:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. Added a reference to the review of Selkälä; I think this should be sufficient, also because the other reference kindly suggested by Oaktree is from Mc Quillan himself. Please let me know and thanks again. Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 08:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify The sources now seem to get it just over the notability hurdle, but the quality is a little too lacking for mainspace. Once it has some time being polished a little, it should be fine to bring back. The WordsmithTalk to me 22:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify -- We have an editor,
    WP:GNG. There could be an excellent, encyclopaedic article here. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 15:13, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    Thank you very much! Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 16:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 16:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SMU–Tulsa men's soccer rivalry

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Doesn't appear to be enough

WP:NRIVALRY. Let'srun (talk) 14:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete per NRIVALRY. I have found nothing on the subject aside from the one reasonable, routine source in the article. Soccer rivalries are rarely covered in the States. Conyo14 (talk) 17:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete We've been through this type of topic multiple times, delete per
    WP:NOSTATS. Govvy (talk) 10:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:34, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Neither of the two sources are in-depth about any rivalry; they just mention/claim one. The second also says: "players at both schools anticipate [their match-up] annually because they know the outcome will likely determine who will prevail in Conference USA play". By this definition, every pair of competitors who are regularly facing each other in any kind of elimination tournament system in which the winner or top few competitors will advance to a higher competition are in a "rivalry", since the very purpose of such competition is to winnow them. This is really, really clearly not the meaning of "rivalry" that is either expected by our readers nor intended by WP:NRIVALRY. It refers to a subculture of animosity or faux-animosity between two teams/institutions and especially the fandom thereof, a rivalry that has a life of its own and garners source coverage unto itself, not just passingly used as word in routine game coverage or a coach interview.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:02, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of international trips made by Mahathir Mohamad post-premiership

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All unregistered editors (these IP addresses are in Malaysia) of this article, Leslie cheung jin hui (talk · contribs) and 林熙隆 (talk · contribs) are sock puppets of LeonChow99 (talk · contribs) (zh:LTA:LC99). Long-term abuse and cross-wiki abuse. Txkk (talk) 12:47, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete There has been no reason for deletion presented besides being from a LTA'er, but we don't usually document travel by a former government official after they departed their post. Nate • (chatter) 14:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete/merge I'm not sure why it's notable to compile trips made by someone no longer in office, are there any other of these? Mention the significant ones at Mahathir_Mohamad#Post-premiership_(2020–present) but we don't need every speech given compiled, no longer encyclopedic. Reywas92Talk 15:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: how is this remotely encyclopedic? And the sockpuppetry issue should be handled independently in WP:RfCU. Owen× ☎ 16:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to

WP:RFD to discuss; as no content was merged, nothing has to be kept long-term for attribution purposes. Daniel (talk) 16:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Good government

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This is not a notable topic. It's not a coherent widely-used concept. While you'll no doubt find that people have said the phrase "good government", the same is going to be the case for lots of combinations of the word "good" + a noun. Thenightaway (talk) 16:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify‎. Daniel (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of most-viewed Instagram reels

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While there is potential for an article here, there is no reliable source to verify that the list is constituted by the absolute top most viewed reels (as opposed to "some of the most-viewed" mentioned in the sources). Unless that source is added, there is no reason to have an article with no known means to verify it. MarioGom (talk) 13:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Dextromethorphan. Star Mississippi 15:27, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delsym

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Brand name for dextromethorphan. Signal to noise ratio for finding sources is bad, but I can't find any material for the brand or trade name specifically. The single cited source is also not significant coverage. Darcyisverycute (talk) 13:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Sourcing is insufficient Star Mississippi 15:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tor2Door

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It does not appear to meet

WP:WEBCRIT. MarioGom (talk) 13:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Know Risk

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Promotional material since creation by an old account with

WP:NPRODUCT. The three non primary sources in article don't appear sufficient - sources 9 and 10 are routine coverage about an award, source 11 is paywalled. Google and news search turns up nothing. Darcyisverycute (talk) 13:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:27, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AC Ventures

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I'm concerned that most of the sources listed here don't seem independent enough to unoquivically verify this fund's notability. Tech in Asia (TiA) dominates the reference list. However, WP's entry about TiA isn't in good standing but more importantly can Singaporean sources, specifically those that focus on business and tech be considered independent by WP's standards. Media censorship in Singapore says, "Instead of subscribing to the Western press model, it (Singapore) believes that a non-adversarial press can report accurately and objectively." So can a media outlet that's subject to state restrctions be considered independent? Then there's pieces like this KR-Asia profile https://kr-asia.com/unlocking-indonesias-economic-potential-ac-ventures-commitment-to-women-led-businesses-and-esg-investing which appears to be a repackaged press release with little or no editorial oversight. Judging by the page's maintenance tags and source list I think a discussion about this subject's notability is needed.~ 𝔓420°𝔓Holla 08:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GDX420, thank you so much for these inputs.
Duly noted your concerns about the coverages. I have removed the sources you mentioned, and will promptly replace them based on your comments.
From what I see, ACV is one of the reputable VCs in SEA, and they do have coverages from other reputable media aside from TiA, KrAsia.
I will revise the article accordingly, and then we can revisit this discussion again. 182.2.147.248 (talk) 11:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi DGX420, I have revised the article to be neutral in tone and replaced most of the links with more authoritative ones from a diverse source of websites. Please consider withdrawing your nomination. Further feedback is welcomed! Loxy Monster (talk) 10:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Independent?
 Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward
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https://www.techinasia.com/top-venture-capital-southeast-asia No Questions over Singaporean publication's independence ? No ~ Appears to be a listicle ✘ No
https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/13/ac-ventures-announces-first-close-of-a-250m-fund-for-southeast-asian-startups/ ~ My understanding is that companies pay to get featured in TC. ~ My understanding is TC can support some facts but isn't considered reliable enough to support notability. No The article is about the fund. ✘ No
https://www.thejakartapost.com/business/2023/03/24/executive-column-ac-ventures-says-founders-must-keep-innovating-despite-tech-winter.html No It's an interview ? No consensus at WP:RSN ? Paywalled ✘ No
https://technode.global/2022/07/04/indonesias-pina-raises-3m-seed-funding-led-by-ac-ventures-vibe-vc-and-y-combinator/ No "Serving users through software versus relationship managers allows PINA to provide holistic financial advice without steep fees and account minimums." Doesn't sound like independent journalism to me. No It looks like another press release aggregator. No It's not about AC Venture it's about PINA ✘ No
https://technode.global/2023/01/31/indonesias-edenfarm-raises-13-5m-funding-led-by-tmi-appworks-ac-ventures/ No Routine press coverage No Rehashed press release with little or no editorial oversight No It's not about the subject, it's about a company that they funded ✘ No
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-13/vc-who-backed-carsome-raising-250-million-for-early-stage-fund No It's not a Bloomberg editorial ~ Might be reliable to an extent but, is it reliable enough to support notability? ? Paywalled ✘ No
https://www.idnfinancials.com/archive/40823/ula-secures-investments-tencent-jeff-bezoss No Press Release No No consensus but I doubt it. No Press release with little to no editorial oversight. ✘ No
https://www.techinasia.com/agaeti-convergence-merger No Non independent per my hypothesis in my nomination. ? To my knowledge there hasn't been enough on-Wiki discussion about this sources reliablity to determine whether it is reliable or not. Yes It's clearly about the fund ✘ No
https://acv.vc/ac_team/pandu-sjahrir/ No It's the fund's website so there may also be a
WP:ELNO
issue here that needs looking into. 		~ Primary sources are reliable up to a point in that one can verify who their CEO is by looking at the website, the same way as one can verify that the sun exists by looking at it but that's not anout to verify notability. ~ It's more about the CEO really ✘ No
https://www.techinasia.com/pandu-sjahrir-maps-act-energy-transition No See my hypothesis in my nom ? Not enough discussion on this source's reliability but some discussion on Singapore's press' independence (or lack of). No It seems to be about the CEO and not the fund. ✘ No
https://finansial.bisnis.com/read/20210607/563/1402268/pandu-sjahrir-jadi-ketua-asosiasi-fintech-ini-rekam-jejaknya No Blog site No Blog site No Again it seems to be about the CEO and not the VC fund. ✘ No
https://www.techinasia.com/pandu-sjahrir-maps-act-energy-transition No See nom No See nom No Not about the fund ✘ No
https://www.fortuneidn.com/news/bonardo/fortune-indonesia-40-under-40-dari-gibran-hingga-reza-rahadian Yes To my knowledge the publication has a reputation for editorial standards. Yes I haven't checked
WP:RSP
but one would assume that Fortune is reliable 		No Again it's about the CEO and not the fund. ✘ No
https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/11/ac-ventures-announces-the-first-close-of-its-80-million-fund-for-indonesian-startups/ ~ See
WP:RSP
 ~ See
WP:RSP
 No Routine press announcement ✘ No
https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/30/indonesia-focused-ac-ventures-closes-oversubscribed-205m-third-fund/ ~ See
WP:RSP
 ~ See
WP:RSP
 No Routine press announcement largely based on interviews with staff. ✘ No
https://technode.global/2022/02/14/indonesias-ac-ventures-appoints-venture-capital-veteran-helen-wong-as-senior-advisor-and-venture-partner/ No Press release aggregator No Press release aggregator No Another routine press announcement ✘ No
https://www.techinasia.com/helen-wong-ac-ventures-venture-partner No See nom No See nom No Bears a striking resemblence to press releases at the time and appears to be a routine press announcement. ✘ No
https://forbesasia100towatch.com/people/helen-wong/ No Paid profile No Published with little to no editorial oversight No Brieft bio ✘ No
https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/13/ac-ventures-announces-first-close-of-a-250m-fund-for-southeast-asian-startups/ ~ Only up to a point but my understanding is that TC can't verify notability. ~ Up to a point. No It looks like most of it is based on an interview and the subject's media prospectus with little in the way of independent analysis. ✘ No
https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/13/waste4change-is-building-a-circular-economy-in-indonesia/ ~ Only up to a point but my understanding is that TC can't verify notability. ~ Up to a point. No It's not about the VC fund. ✘ No
https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/19/with-37m-seed-round-maka-motors-begins-ev-pilot-on-indonesias-streets/ ~ Only up to a point but my understanding is that TC can't verify notability. ~ Up to a point. No It's not about the VC fund. ✘ No
https://www.techinasia.com/ac-ventures-leads-agritech-firm-koltiva No See nom No See nom No It's not about the VC fund. ✘ No
https://asiatechdaily.com/indonesian-vc-firm-convergence-ventures/ No Blog No Blog No Not about the subject in question ✘ No
https://kr-asia.com/unlocking-indonesias-economic-potential-ac-ventures-commitment-to-women-led-businesses-and-esg-investing No See nom No See nom No Not much in the way of independent analysis or critical thought here. ✘ No
https://www.thejakartapost.com/opinion/2022/10/18/how-esg-is-transforming-southeast-asias-tech-game.html Yes It's a national newspaper Yes It's a national newspaper No Doesn't appear to be about the subject in question. ✘ No
https://www.techinasia.com/ac-ventures-partners-bcg-create-indonesian-esg-standards No See nom No See nom No It's about data provided by the fund but not the actual fund. ✘ No
https://www.techinasia.com/ac-ventures-partners-bcg-create-indonesian-esg-standards No See nom No See nom No See previous ✘ No
https://www.thejakartapost.com/opinion/2022/10/18/how-esg-is-transforming-southeast-asias-tech-game.html No See nom No See nom No See previous ✘ No
https://kr-asia.com/unlocking-indonesias-economic-potential-ac-ventures-commitment-to-women-led-businesses-and-esg-investing No Looks like a PR whitewash and not independent journalism ? To my knowledge there's not been enough on-wiki discussion to reach a consensus on this source's reliability No Is something that's based on interviews and a press release with little to no independent coverage significant? I don't thinks so. ✘ No
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  • Delete: Based on the source table and the overly-PRish tone in most sources, I'm not seeing notability. I can't find any sort of sourcing either. Oaktree b (talk) 20:48, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    "DealStreet Asia" and fancily-named sites that just reprint PR items are about the extent of it. Oaktree b (talk) 20:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Agree with the source analysis, nothing I can find meet GNG/NCORP criteria for establishing notability.
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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 15:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Launceston Players

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Unreferenced promotional stub for a company that fails

WP:GNG. The creator of the article is also very clearly associated with the company, considering their username is identical to the article's title. Sgubaldo (talk) 10:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. Poorly written and neglected article, but this is apparently the oldest still-operating amateur theatre group in Australia. It is covered in an academic journal article and the many news articles listed on their AusStage entry (which is only older articles stored on Trove, not comprehensive) show sufficient coverage for notability. --RL0919 (talk) 13:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kladara

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PROD objected with non-SIGCOV sources (only mentions). Still cannot find coverage on the subject. Timothytyy (talk) 09:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Per nom, nothing in
    RS nor Google News. dxneo (talk) 17:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete: Mentions of the term in old Croatian texts in Gbooks, nothing substantial found. Oaktree b (talk) 14:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on

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B612 (app)

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It does not seem to pass

WP:ORGCRIT. MarioGom (talk) 12:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on

"soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 13:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Suika2

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Does not meet

WP:GNG. MarioGom (talk) 12:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Delete given the absence of independent and reliable coverage. It's currently only software pages and GitHub updates. I'm also mindful of the potential for notability to be established under
WP:NONENG sources, but don't see anything. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 07:51, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect‎ to Central neurocytoma. ✗plicit 13:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neurocytoma

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WP:DICDEF which already has a wiktionary entry. Darcyisverycute (talk) 12:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect‎ to Metronidazole. ✗plicit 13:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Noritate

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Brand name for metronidazole. I have added it there and it does not deserve its own article. Darcyisverycute (talk) 12:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on

"soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 13:20, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Peter Svätojánsky

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I searched news coverage about this athlete, even in Slovak, but did not seem to find anything that meets

WP:GNG. SK Wikipedia article is likewise entirely unsourced except external links, which might help copy over on English Wikipedia if it wasn't. Google search results also almost come exclusively from blogs and no other notable activities on his own. Overall, he does not have apparent notability. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 11:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect‎ to

soft-deletes.) Daniel (talk) 16:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Inductotherm Group

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It does not seem to pass

WP:ORGCRIT. MarioGom (talk) 11:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect‎ to Fishing techniques#Hand-gathering as a viable ATD Star Mississippi 15:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gathering seafood by hand

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The article appears a combination of

original research and lacking inline citations, except for its historical statement (which is also included and identically sourced at Fishing techniques#Hand-gathering). The title is phrased like a sentence, and is not used in its sources, making me believe a page move is necessary even if not deleted, but I don't know what the moved name would be. While particular types of hand gathering have their own articles which are listed at Fishing techniques#Hand-gathering
, it is not clear if the umbrella topic of hand gathering seafood specifically is a notable grouping justifying its own article. If there were reliable sources reviewing the history of all or many hand fishing techniques together historically, then maybe this topic would be notable, but I cannot find such sources by a handful of google scholar searches. It is possible that sources for such a review may exist but are not easily accessible online.

My current recommendation is to

summary style to types of hand-gathering. There seems no other content to salvage and the proposed redirect would better organise the information in its existing summary style. Since this is possibly a controversial move and the talk page is inactive, I believe AfD is the most appropriate forum for establishing consensus first. Darcyisverycute (talk) 11:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 07:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aformic

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Does not meet

WP:ORGCRIT. MarioGom (talk) 10:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was merge‎ to Space dock#Star Trek. Daniel (talk) 07:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Earth Spacedock

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Cool but niche concept from Star Trek. Our article is sadly just a plot summary with some

WP:SIGCOV failing development history, no reception or analysis. BEFORE gives me nothing ([26]/ia mirror is just one sentence of plot summary again, sourced to Memory Beta - that's hardly scholary work... sigh). No idea where to redirect this, but if possible, redirects>hard deletion - ideas appreciated. Maybe this will become notable one day... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. The WordsmithTalk to me 02:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cypres

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Not enough sources found to justify a stand-alone article. Possible

CAT:NN for over 13 years. Boleyn (talk) 15:08, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • I'm guessing a merge to
    WP:PRODUCTREV style for an independent article. Redirect should probably be categorized {{r with possibilities}}. —siroχo 08:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. The WordsmithTalk to me 02:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Xab Pagri

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Like Xabbatog: all I can find is a single brief mention in one book, which suggests this is not notable enough for its own article (hence why, after a decade, the article is still just one sentence long). Merging this to Tibetan cuisine or List of Tibetan dishes is possible, but it's not clear that this dish or xabbatog actually exists (at least under anything like these names). I have not checked whether more entries like these two were also created by the same user. -sche (talk) 04:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete -- Like Xabbatog, there are no sources for this that I can find. Every mention appears to be a mirror of Wikipedia. When there is a dish that doesn't even have online recipes, I am extremely sceptical. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. The WordsmithTalk to me 02:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Xabbatog

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All I can find is a single brief mention in one book, which suggests this is not notable enough for its own article (hence why, after a decade, the article is still just one sentence long), and indeed suggests that xabbatog may not even be real. (This came up on Wiktionary's Requests for Verification page, where we couldn't find evidence that it was real.) See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xab Pagri. -sche (talk) 04:50, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Userfy. It's quite possible this is real, but the only source is published by the Chinese government. Which still doesn't mean this isn't real, but we need better sources for pretty much anything written by China about Tibet. I couldn't find much else that I could rule out having been taken from WP, couldn't even find a recipe in English. It's possible that someone who reads Tibetan would be able to find some recipes, which would at least prove this dish is real. Foods from small countries without a history of food journalism or academic study are very difficult, especially when we're dealing with transliteration, which is why I would prefer to userfy. Valereee (talk) 13:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete -- There are no sources for this that I can find. Every mention appears to be a mirror of Wikipedia. When there is a dish that doesn't even have online recipes, I am extremely sceptical. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 15:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023–24 AFC Champions League knockout stage

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This is a contested draftification. This article cites no sources, and a quick

not notable. I'd recommend a merge or redirect to one of the larger articles. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Which is exactly why I said it is likely to be notable in the future though possibly too soon now, hence my preference to draftify rather than merge. Frank Anchor 02:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused. I didn't provide the articles above as past examples of the knockout stages becoming notable; quite the opposite. Those three are almost entirely supported by
primary sources, which don't demonstrate the subject's notability. In fact, if I'd known about the other years' articles before, I might even have bundled them in when I made this nomination. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:24, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Looking at the previous competition as an example 2022 AFC Champions League, I think part of the issue is that if the subsidiary articles which have the individual match details (qualifying play-offs, group stage, knockout stage, final) were all merged into the primary article then it would be too large and unwieldy. So its not just about the notability of the individual stage of a competition that overall is definitely notable. Perhaps the merging issue should be discussed more generally at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football forum? Matilda Maniac (talk) 12:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I agree that it was started
    WP:TOOSOON, but the article should get a lot of attention and expansion over the next couple of weeks with the conclusion of the group stage, and the Draw for the knockout stages. There should be plenty of primary and secondary references by then. Matilda Maniac (talk) 12:37, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Keep or Draftify it's a bit too soon, but quite clearly will be notable enough as a main stage of a continental competition. --SuperJew (talk) 13:28, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, page will be recreated in two second anyways.--Ortizesp (talk) 07:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Common practice to have these articles, however it does lack sourcing, like 2022 AFC Champions League knockout stage, which is heavily under-sourced, so it's not to say there are issues. Govvy (talk) 08:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as above. GiantSnowman 17:33, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @GiantSnowman, Govvy, Matilda Maniac, Ortizesp, and SuperJew: I'd invite you to articulate your rationales for keeping in terms of a policy or guideline. I still haven't seen anyone dispute the claim that the subject of the article is not notable that I made in my nomination statement; in fact, some editors have linked to the Too soon essay, which actually supports my rationale for action due to the lack of significant coverage. Also, by looking at the state of the references in previous years' articles, I don't see a great track record of the knockout stages becoming notable; I'll also note that I didn't find any useful references for previous years when conducting a search before this nomination. With all that in mind, why do you think that enough sources will exist in the future to demonstrate notability? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What on earth are you on about, there are loads online for the AFC Champions League, the knock-out stage is two months away. The article is just following the standard editing procedure. You really should just withdraw this nomination and stop wasting everyones time. Govvy (talk) 09:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You do make some valid points, Mr. Squirrel. Matilda Maniac (talk) 11:02, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy and Matilda Maniac: I can assure you that I don't intend to waste anyone's time. If you think I'm wrong, would you do me the courtesy of showing me why I'm wrong rather than being rude? To be clear, I'm not disputing the notability of the AFC Champions League — I found plenty of sources for that — only the knockout rounds specifically. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:33, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or draftify per Matilda Maniac. Agree that it was started
    WP:SPINOFF. The main reason we do that is to keep the match details, which are often notable though excessively detailed, in its own article rather than have everything on the main article where it would be undue, which is a valid type of content forking. As far as the actual content is concerned at the moment, I see the argument to merge or redirect, but I don't see an issue with the notability of the subject itself. Jay eyem (talk) 22:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 04:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nadica Stojanova

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The subject, a Macedonian women's footballer, has not received sufficient coverage to meet

WP:GNG. All I found in my searches were passing mentions like 1 and 2. JTtheOG (talk) 05:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 04:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michigan MAC Trophy

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Subject does not meet the

WP:NRIVALRY due to a lack of independent and significant coverage. Let'srun (talk) 04:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Changed to keep per the significant coverage identified by PK-WIKI below. Frank Anchor 21:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep based on the significant coverage of the three-way trophy in the
    WP:INDEPENDENT
    sources below:
In addition to the independent coverage, the rivalry trophy receives regular official coverage from each of the three schools as well:
PK-WIKI (talk) 20:12, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which of these sources would you say are the
WP:THREE best RS? From what I see, all of these articles are either not independent (from the schools or relying on team members quotes themselves) or are routine mentions in routine game recaps. Let'srun (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The 5 newspaper articles above are all
WP:INDEPENDENT
coverage.
Getting quotes from important people involved in the schools and rivalry does not make independently published third-party coverage in newspapers suddenly not independent. I've been seeing this strange sentiment a lot lately in rivalry deletion discussions.
PK-WIKI (talk) 21:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was more referring to the articles from the schools themselves as not being
WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 23:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. The WordsmithTalk to me 03:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

International Language Academy of Canada

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Fails GNG. There’s two CBC articles about a Ukrainian student finding a job at the school but that’s it. Also the page was created by a user with COI. NM 03:46, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I see no consensus here. Maybe the situation will become clearer over time. Liz Read! Talk! 04:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrahim Qusaya

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Typical ONEEVENT. No coverage of person outside of news about his death.The article was previously PRODedd and Prod was removed with comment that person is notable. But there is no significant coverage enough to write a biography. Even the age is nog known.

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  • Redirect or delete as per WP:VICTIM. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 01:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. He represented Palestine at a major event like the 2022 Asian Games, that is significant enough in itself. --Dominus Moravian (talk) 13:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Considering that he was a member of the national team and likewise has sufficient related sources, therefore we can call it as a notable item. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 07:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: 1E article, fails GNG, NBIO, meets NOTNEWS, NOTMEMORIAL. Sources in article and BEFORE showed nothing meeting WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth, sources are brief articles about a recent event which mention the subject. No sources show the event will meet WP:LASTING and fails NOTNEWS.  // Timothy :: talk  12:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, the page is not in bad shape and the subject meets GNG, looking for his Arab name there is coverage about him even before his death, eg. this article enterely devoted to him from Saudi newspaper Al Riyadiyah, which recounts his career and describes him as a major star. Cavarrone 20:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment If the death is verifiable per
    WP:NPOV. Geschichte (talk) 12:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep‎. The WordsmithTalk to me 02:36, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sasi Shanker

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Doesn't meet WP:BASIC Cray04 (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 04:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Association of Corporate Counsel

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Lacks SIGCOV. NM 04:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep on grounds of
occasional exceptions where doing so would not make sense. Oblivy (talk) 10:52, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was no consensus‎. The WordsmithTalk to me 02:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ross Monroe Winter

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Fails to meet notability criteria for musicians and ensembles under [[32]]. Holding a (presumably section) position in a professional orchestra and holding a professorship do not on their own qualify, and if the Robert Downey, Jr. event qualifies, it could be placed on the film's Wikipedia page without need for this entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcticwarp (talk • contribs) 00:54, November 17, 2023 (UTC)

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Adding more legwork since nobody else has commented. Notability with respect to music would require one of 12 points in the linked list from my previous comment. 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 would all be easy to find if satisfied. Point 6 requires being a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. The first source in the article is titled "Virginia Symphony Welcomes New Musicians : Principal Timpani, Principal Trumpet and Core Violinists Announced", and in general a non-titled chair in an orchestra would not be considered "reasonably prominent." The Richmond Symphony link also just lists him as "violin" without any title. I only see "reasonably prominent" satisfied within the Wintergreen Festival Orchestra, which hasn't merited its own Wiki page. The only point someone could make an argument for here would be point 1's two independent sources, but I would argue the source from Mason News to be trivial, and the source about him tutoring Robert Downey, Jr could just be folded into a different article even if it doesn't qualify as a minor news story that wouldn't grant notability. I also checked Wikipedia's notability standards for academics[[33]], and I can't find any indication this subject satisfies them. --Arcticwarp (talk) 05:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • KEEP - I just added a current source from the University of Central Florida, which brings this violin professor's background bio up to date. A basic problem on this article is that the sourcing has been nine years out of date, while the professor himself has continued with his career. There's a lot about him on Google. — Maile (talk) 01:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: I'm not seeing notability for PROF as being met, appears to be simply a working academic/musician. Oaktree b (talk) 14:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 03:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aberffraw (cantref)

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Stub. Unreferenced since 2010; tagged with notability since last year. Can anyone save this or should be redirect this somewhere (where)? My BEFORE shows some passing mentions but nothing that obviously screams "this is notable, here's the def". House_of_Aberffraw#Aberffraw_hundred_(cantref) seems related, longer, referenced and a possible redirect target? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The source by Henry Rowlands checks out, and is still cited by 21st century scholarship such as Longley 2009 which adds a couple of facts but should probably be read in light of Carr 2011 when it comes to LLifon in 1284. There's probably enough here, and more to say, although the redlinking of the commotes is over-optimistic, I think. It's those that should probably be redirects, to this article. Uncle G (talk) 03:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Longley, David (2009). "Gwynedd before and after the Conquest". In Williams, Diane; Kenyon, John R. (eds.). The Impact of the Edwardian Castles in Wales. Oxbow Books.
      ISBN 9781782973676
      .
    • Carr, A. D. (2011). "Jones Pierce Revisited: The evidence of the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Century extents". In Griffiths, Ralph A.; Schofield, Phillipp R. (eds.). Wales and the Welsh in the Middle Ages. University of Wales Press.
      ISBN 9780708324479
      .
  • Keep Sufficient sources have been found. Acebulf (talk | contribs) 07:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (changed position from above), sufficient sources found. DankJae 12:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 02:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dictator Amir

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Fails

GNG Sources cited here and other sources I have found are all routine coverage or tabloid-style celebrity reporting. The "Education background" and "Career" sections are completely uncited. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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I had forgotten to cite but following this comment, I have done so please and thank you for your guidance and assistance, I appreciate your help and guideline. Mwakwe256 (talk) 18:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination, all I can find online about him is gossip and blogs. Pulse.ug and MBU.ug seem to specialise in promoting B-list celebs in Uganda, and neither site appears to be a
    WP:RS, with no editorial team named for oversight, etc. Wikishovel (talk) 09:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. The sole "keep" !vote amounts to nothing beyond

WP:VAGUEWAVE. ✗plicit 02:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Kazeem Ojo Aderounmu

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Reviewed during NPP. No indicatoin of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. Of all of the references, all are database entries except 1 which is an interview. North8000 (talk) 02:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 02:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Hose

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Other than descriptions by employers, there are zero even half GNG sources. North8000 (talk) 02:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 01:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anderson Chaves

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Reviewd during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. The references are only database type entries. The content is only data base type factoids. North8000 (talk) 01:33, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Ali I of Shirvan. Liz Read! Talk! 00:48, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abbas Shirvanshah

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Although I created this article years ago, I know acknowledge that it is not an encyclopedic article and should be deleted. Cavidaga (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you expand a bit on your reasoning why you would call the execution of this royal not relevant? Axisstroke (talk) 13:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • there is no such thing as "relevant" to consider in deletion discussions. Please read the guideline. - Altenmann >talk 02:26, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 00:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Chișinău explosion

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The topic of this article doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for events. Brief bursts of news coverage. Быбеан (talk) 04:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment here's every mention I could find after the immediate event. I don't think this coverage warrants (a few significant mentions and one in depth full article in 2020) its own article but I think ideally it should be a brief footnote somewhere. However I can't think of any redirect target.
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The result was keep‎. We have hundreds of articles on TV shows that didn't air in majority English-speaking countries. That is not a valid reason to delete and the consensus in the discussion is that sources are adequate. Liz Read! Talk! 00:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Next Restaurant

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An Israeli Reality TV show that only aired in Israel and not anywhere in the world. This article have no encyclopedic importance in the English Wikipedia. Your opinions? זור987 (talk) 15:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per
Yediot Ahronot is Israel's most-read paid newspaper. In terms of source independency, in Israel, it can't get much better than that! gidonb (talk) 13:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. Easy pass of the
    WP:GNG. Also speedy keep as no valid reason for deletion was brought forward. I believe I can hold and express both opinions as these culminate in the same result. gidonb (talk) 12:37, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Ecole Mondiale World School, Juhu

The result was Speedy redirect‎. Non-controversial action. Acebulf (talk | contribs) 07:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]


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Is a duplicate of École Mondiale World School with no information worth transferring over Nswix (talk) 00:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 03:30, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Turtle Pond Model Yacht Club

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NORG fail. No non-primary source coverage. Fermiboson (talk) 01:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - Agree, this is not sufficiently notable for inclusion. Not enough sourcing to meet NORG — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete nonnotable and even unimportant. - Altenmann >talk 02:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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