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The result was ‎ nomination withdrawn as the article has been salvaged with better sourcing to properly establish notability. Bearcat (talk) 02:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel M. Thomas

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Biography of a politician, not

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• Comment: I would suspect that the second Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors is more historically significant as a body than many later iterations of the same, and wonder if perhaps sources can be found for this subject. I immediately wonder if he is the same person as the Daniel M. Thomas who was elected as the first County Judge of San Bernardino County. BD2412 T 22:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment It is the same person. He was a Mormon political activist who advocated for San Bernardino County to be split off from Los Angeles County. Cullen328 (talk) 22:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed. See also the county record. I would lean to keep on the strength of these points. BD2412 T 22:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Yep, that's a lot better. Consider this withdrawn. Bearcat (talk) 02:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Electrolux Laundry Systems

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Article has absolutely no references to support it, has been tagged for many years to that effect, has not had anything substantial added to it for several years, and is not particularly informative. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete 4 gnews hits one of which is primary. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wretha Hanson

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• Delete per nom.
  ping me. 23:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete Doesn't have independent sources.Rustypenguin (talk) 17:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Noori. Daniel (talk) 11:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kami Paul

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Fails to meet relevant WP:MUSICBIO as well general WP:GNG. I would suggest first delete and then redirect to Noori. This BLP was created by a user who might have a COI.—Saqib (talk | contribs) 20:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Noori: not enough individual notability to warrant an individual article. InDimensional (talk) 11:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge/Redirect: Scrapes through on notability but also repeats the same facts over and over Sansbarry (talk) 01:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Horsemanship of Ulysses S. Grant

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Non notable topic, not an encyclopedia article but a hagiography. Nationalistic drivel; a national myth presented as if it is factual. There are and have been many people who are or were good with horses. Reading this article as someone who was not born in the USA is just weird. Polygnotus (talk) 20:27, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is just the standard story people use to make heads of states seem cool, more a metaphor for their leadership of their country than a thing that they pretend actually happened. Famously, Alexander the Great tamed Bucephalus and George Washington tamed a colt. All so-called untameable horses that were tamed by a horsewhisperer with near-magical powers. Polygnotus (talk) 08:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Yes, the content tone is atrocious in places and looks more like a student essay/
  WP:INHERIT issue tied to Grant's notability that would get an occasional book like that. If there is anything to mention about the subject, it can be handled at the BLP, but I don't see this being a likely search term needing a redirect/merge either. KoA (talk) 21:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  The source you mentioned, by Dowdall, is self-published. That is, it was published by HistoryEye, and looking up HistoryEye on the Web [20], we find that it is "managed by Dublin-based genealogist, Denise Dowdall." According to

  WP:SELFPUBLISH, if material in a self-published source is worth citing, one is expected to find the same material in a more reliable source and cite it from there instead. This goes for all 11 of the citations of Dowdall in the article. Bruce leverett (talk) 04:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply

  ]

• Delete This article is an artifact of poor quality coverage of a supposed arrest of Grant for speeding in his carriage that got a flurry of attention as a side story to Donald Trump's criminal charges. Not a notable topic. Cullen328 (talk) 22:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep   First, we have to wonder if this nomination to delete presents its own anti-nationalist bias. Given the wording, i.e."myth", "hagiography", "nationalistic drivel", this seems to be the case.
  The article is sourced by multiple reliable sources used in the Grant (featured) article itself, and in other articles about Civil War. It may come off as a "hagiography", to some, simply because Grant was much more than "good with horses", but because he was markedly exceptional, beginning in his youth, often considered a prodigy, and there are several reliable sources to support that. As a cadet Grant set a hig jump record at West Point that stood for more than 25 years, that is also not a "myth". His experience with horses involved him with Lincoln, not to mention in exceptional feats during the Civil War, all reliably sourced. Because he was a renown horseman, he received them as gifts, while in the Civil War, and in retirement on his world tour from the Egyptian government and from the Sultan Abdul Hamid II.
  It is by no means a passing coincidence that a memorial to Grant is a statue of him on a horse, or that a mural inside the dome of Grant's Tomb is of Grant on horseback. It is understood that this topic, like many that involve US history, may not appeal to everyone, but it certainly is so by people intereseted in Grant, and the Civil War, and there are many, and it ties in with Civil War history, and Grant's overall biography. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This anti-nationalist (aka pro-factual) bias is the same bias that would make me remove claims that Kim Jong-Il made 11 holes-in-one at his very first round of golf. The examples given in the article are not proof of exceptional skill, they are clearly made up stories to make him look cool. There is no way Ulysses had the most exceptional horsemanship in American history, and there are no sources for that claim (as noted on the talkpage). Polygnotus (talk) 07:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Every recent biography of Grant devotes space to his horsemanship. The tone of the article may need some work, but trying to dismiss the topic as "nationalistic drivel" misses the mark entirely, as does attempting to link it to Trump. Intothatdarkness 23:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I don't have time this evening to follow up by examining your citations, but will try to get to that later. AfD discussions often turn on the quality of the sources. If sufficiently many reliable, secondary sources give
  significant or in-depth
  coverage to the topic, not just passing mentions, then the topic is sufficiently notable to warrant an article. That's the one-sentence summary; what "sufficiently many" and "significant or in-depth" actually mean in this case perhaps can be answered only by looking at the sources.

"Reliable secondary" sources include the likes of Catton, McFeely, Smith, White, Chernow. You should specifically be circumspect about the use of sources such as Brisbin, Fuller, Headley, Grant's son, and other contemporaries. The quoted passage from Brisbin in the "Military" section is evidently hagiographic, and even just including it in the article betrays a generally hagiographic approach.

The question is not about the horsemanship; it's about the coverage of the horsemanship. Through an assortment of anecdotes passed down through the years, we can be fairly sure that Grant was an accomplished horseman. But how much attention do the serious modern biographies or the modern Civil War historians give to this topic? The answer to that is what determines whether or not this topic warrants an article of its own. And if it does, the sources for that article had better be good ones, and they had better be enthusiastic about the topic. Bruce leverett (talk) 01:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both Smith and White mention Grant's horsemanship over twenty times in their biographies, often at length and at various points during his life. I'd certainly say it's not a trivial subject. Intothatdarkness 17:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Reliable sources exist so has significant coverage in reliable sources. Article quality (whether it is hagiographic or not) is completely irrelevant at AfD. Summary style says that notable sections of articles can always be spun off into child articles. Deletion claims under vague assertions of What Wikipedia is not ie I just don't like it are always suspect. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep U.S. Grant's horsemanship is indeed quite notable, established by ample sources. I also agree that the nomination to delete this page is flawed by sheer, blind bias. TH1980 (talk) 02:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• As an American
  U.S. Presidents, and appears to be written and intended for primarily an American audience. However, even many Americans are unaware of Grant's exceptional equestrian skills, which have also been noted by several historians. Additionally, "according to Wikipedia policy, editors should only nominate an article for...deletion under limited circumstances, such as pure vandalism, and not mark legitimate pages without good faith discussion". (See: Deletion of articles on Wikipedia.) I also strongly dispute the assertation that the article is "nationalistic drivel; a national myth presented as if it is factual", as the topic has been covered by both biographers of Grant, as well as other professional historians. Obversa (talk) 02:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep As noted by User:Intothatdarkness, both biographers and many professional historians have covered the "Horsemanship of Ulysses S. Grant" as a notable topic. While the article may need to be overhauled, the topic is notable in of itself to warrant its own Wikipedia article. I would also note that the Wikipedia article for Cincinnati, Ulysses S. Grant's primary Thoroughbred mount and favorite horse during the American Civil War, also ridden by Abraham Lincoln, was already merged into Horsemanship of Ulysses S. Grant some time ago. Deleting the page would be a disservice to not only the topic itself, but also the decision to merge the two articles. I also agree with User: Gwillhickers in questioning whether this suggested page deletion is in good faith or not, as Wikipedia policy dictates. Obversa (talk) 02:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@

WP:AGF? So you are saying that, just because we disagree, I must be of bad faith? Polygnotus (talk) 07:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply

]

This reply comes across as aggressive and uncivil, as well as your comments on my User talk page. Please do not comment on my User talk page, and keep discussion civil, per Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Thank you. See: Wikipedia:How to be civil or Wikipedia:Civility. I stand by what I said in my original reply, and still vote to Keep the page based on my previous reasoning. Obversa (talk) 21:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, well sourced and easily meets GNG, and per discussion and the historical fact that Grant was both known for his horsemanship and his horses. Besides, if he were alive today, and faced with the politics of 21st century America, he'd be a jockey. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep Article needs a rewrite but the sources exist and don't appear, at a surface level review, to be synth. We don't delete for bad writing. Simonm223 (talk) 17:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Polygnotus — The fact that you automatically equate anti-nationalist bias with facts only serves to demonstrate, further, the lack of objectivity with which you assessed this article. Grant's horsemanship is largely a positive affair, and simply because there isn't coverage of his failures or short comings with horses and horsemanship is for the simple reason that there are no such episodes. His horse did lose its footing once, fell over, and landed on Grant's leg, but that was not Grant's fault entirely, if at all. — I once had a history professor claim, that history is mostly "written by the winners of wars", to which I commented, "what would history read like if it was only written by losers". In any case, much of history is written objectively, and again, simply because an account of a particular chapter seems positive, it doesn't automatically mean it's less than factual or over stated..-- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• To everyone else. Thank you for your support. I am perfectly willing to improve on any sentence(s) or paragraph(s) that may need it, and am perfectly open to fair suggestions. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read

WP:INDENT. Ad hominems and straw man arguments make your argument weaker, not mine. What would history read like if it was written by the horses? Polygnotus (talk) 17:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply

]

The analogy was point on, given your assessment. The only straw man around here was the one you stood up in front of this article.. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not enough indents! Polygnotus (talk) 17:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

giddyup? Randy Kryn (talk) 00:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply

]

• Keep. I've mislaid my copy, but as additional source British military historian
  Duke of Wellington, another noted equestrian. Narky Blert (talk) 06:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Keep.

"Reading this article as someone who was not born in the USA is just weird" - Okay? We don't delete articles for being weird to readers born outside the US, as far as I know. This AfD reads as reflexive anti-nationalism. That isnt a bad impulse, but I believe it is misplaced here.

I don't personally care for his horsemanship, but I've read enough biographies of Grant to know that it's important to every biographer of this massive figure in American history. Calling it nationalistic drivel unworthy of an article by comparing it to horses - horses that have articles of their own (you linked Alexander's horse, and here's Washington's horse)- seems to negate your point. Myth or no, it is a notable subject covered by reliable secondary sources. Comparing it to North Korean leaders' alleged golf prowess is also off-base - because Grant was actually good at riding horses.

I can't find good cause to delete this article. Though I agree the article certainly needs clean up. Happy to contribute to a clean up. Carlp941 (talk) 15:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We must bear in mind that a "nationalist" is someone who loves and is loyal to one's own country. This doesn't mean that there is a dislike for other countries. Calling someone a "nationalist", by using terms like "nationalist drivel", "myths", etc, reveals a hatred or contempt for a given country, and in that case this is not good. Now we have the same apparent tendency behind the complaint just made on the Grant Talk page, here. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment (having already !voted). This discussion reminds me of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George H. W. Bush broccoli comments, a 2020 nomination which the community found to be ill-judged. Narky Blert (talk) 18:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The writing isn't great, but the subject is notable -- which is what matters here. Grant's horsemanship is no mere myth, it's something his scholarly biographers all mention. --Coemgenus (talk) 14:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Refocus, Rewrite: The information is worthy of being an article. I would focus on Grant's use of the Union Calvary during the Civil War. Confederate Calvary under Van Dorn (Holly Springs) and Forrest, may have influenced Grant to use Union Calvary under Sheridan. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't have anything to do with Grant's use of cavalry. It's focused on his horsemanship, which isn't the same thing. Intothatdarkness 13:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cavalry has to do with soildiers on horses. Grant was a soildier and a General. He convinced Lincoln to appoint Sheridan, head of the Army of the Potomac Cavalry. After Forrest and Van Dorn attacked Grant in Mississippi, Grant learned the importance of having a strong cavalry. I respect your opinion. I understand what you are saying. Your point is taken. This was just a suggestion. Cmguy777 (talk) 19:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I get what you're saying and respect your opinion as well (although Grant's larger fight was to get Sheridan appointed to command in the Shenandoah Valley, and Sherman was the one who developed an obsession with Forrest). But we already have some serious feuding going on the article's talk page. Trying to add cavalry in would in my view just make things worse. And for the record, Grant didn't champion cavalry in any major way after the war, nor do historians write much about his overall use of cavalry being visionary or exceptional. He understood cavalry, including its limitations, and was very good at using it in the wider strategic sense...as he was with all his forces. Intothatdarkness 23:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Five Forks was a Union victory in April, 1865. Sheridan led the Union Cavalry. Grant's most humiliating defeat was at Holly Springs in 1862, when Confederate General Van Dorn and his Conferderate Cavalry sacked Holly Springs, Grant's Union supply depot. Grant believed cavalry should be under stong leadership. That is all I am saying. Aside from this, I am for keeping the article, but trimmed down and rewritten. I hope this issue can be resolved in the near future. Thanks. Cmguy777 (talk) 04:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say at this point the article is clearly a Keep. But the campaign has now moved to the article talk page. Intothatdarkness 14:53, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marion Evans

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Fails

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• Delete . I am also not seeing much coverage on this person.Hkkingg (talk) 16:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Citations can be incorporated into the articles on the towns where relevant, but not sufficient external notice for PROF or Author. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 20:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This author has been published by a rather niche publishing house: in major bibliographic databases, like Open Library, and Worldcat, the total number of titles hovers around 100. That in itself is not a problem but I cannot find reviews of the books nor articles about the author other than this one: Carmarthen Journal (Carmarthen, Wales). 2024. “Porthyrhyd & Llanddarog Pensioners Society,” March 20. https://research-ebsco-com.ezproxy.sfpl.org/linkprocessor/plink?id=65b6eed4-eede-3b99-b276-4e4d8558e31c, which apparently (I don't have access to it) reports on a meeting where Evans was present. Unfortunately, the article was created by an editor named "Roy Duke Evans" so I assume a COI. If there are good sources of information in Welsh publications we would need someone with access to those. So far we have nothing about her. Lamona (talk) 02:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nino Kochlamazashvili

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Poorly sourced footballer BLP that fails

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 10:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 16:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Soares

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Rugby BLP that fails

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• Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 12:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails
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The result was delete‎. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Bardle

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP; subject made one pro appearance. All I really found was this transactional announcement. Fails

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• Delete: One app doesn't make you notable for a stand alone article. Mn1548 (talk) 12:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per non. Non-notable. Contributor892z (talk) 19:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎ on a particular target which is understandably unsatisfying, but with multiple potential targets and no indication a consensus is going to solidify around one, there is no action for a closer here. There is a consensus that these should be covered within the scope of the 2022 games or that of their country's participation in the games. That discussion can be continued editorially without concern that this AfD precludes that. Star Mississippi 14:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dominica at the 2002 Commonwealth Games

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Previously subject of a contested PROD. No secondary sources. Zero useful content. Previous consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominica at the 2010 Commonwealth Games was that these articles are not useful, particularly if they lack substantive content.

• I am also nominating the following related pages:

Montserrat at the 2002 Commonwealth Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Anguilla at the 2002 Commonwealth Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Antigua and Barbuda at the 2002 Commonwealth Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Tuvalu at the 2002 Commonwealth Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Saint Lucia at the 2002 Commonwealth Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Mauritius at the 2002 Commonwealth Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

AusLondonder (talk) 14:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect all to 2002 Commonwealth Games. Athletes need to win a medal for their participation in an event to become notable - seems most reasonable to apply that to countries as well. BrigadierG (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I disagree with making that a blanket rule, but many of these countries that send a small number of participants won't generate coverage to pass

  WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply

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• Thank you for notifying me. As I'm not sure what they could be replaced with if deleted, I would favour completing those articles rather than deleting them (and subsequently re-creating them with proper content). Either that, or put into Dominica at the Commonwealth Games (etc) the content that they should have, and turn them into a redirect. Aridd (talk) 16:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• AusLondonder, did you add these additional articles to this nomination or did someone else? Whomever did it, please move this list of articles to the top of the AFD, above any comments, so that XFDcloser will see them as being part of this AFD nomination. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Liz: Thanks, will do. They were towards the top before, appears someone accidentally commented above them. AusLondonder (talk) 09:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  AusLondonder, nicely done. Thank you. XFDcloser can be a little fussy. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect all to "X at the Commonwealth Games" (where X is country name). Not enough coverage for separate articles, but they look to have 2002 mentioned in their parent articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge all with prejudice to Anguilla at the Commonwealth Games, Antigua and Barbuda at the Commonwealth Games etc. XX at XX CG are often barebones article, almost templates, with no hope whatsoever for expansion to actual articles. The sensible solution is to merge on sight with the appropriate country pages. Geschichte (talk) 08:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I'm not sure a redirect is necessary. The Montserrat page, for example, was averaging views in the single digits per month, not even statistically significant. Most internal links are via templates such as Template:Associations at the 2002 Commonwealth Games. I also don't particularly see how a redirect here fulfils the criteria at
  WP:RPURPOSE. Also taking a look at the template Associations at the 2002 Commonwealth Games about half the template are redlinks. Finally, the redirects are not plausible search terms. AusLondonder (talk) 09:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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• As a native of the island mentioned in this AFD discussion title (obvious disclosure), merge and
  source into Dominica at the Commonwealth Games (as an example). (If possible--for completion's sake--we may as well actually mention the names of the six athletes who participated back then.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 17:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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• Merging just 2002 to the parent articles when no other years, even more successful years, are mentioned, doesn't seem like appropriate balance. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect all to 2002 Commonwealth Games. Little chance any coverage exists to satisfy GNG individually. JoelleJay (talk) 01:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Franco Vermeulen

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Rugby BLP that fails

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• Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 12:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shreyas Puranik

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Fails WP:GNG, appears not notable. Bakhtar40 (talk) 16:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. As the creator of the article i would like to suggest keep, as it passes

Hineyo (talk) 17:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above references are either paid placement or Press Releases. Bakhtar40 (talk) 15:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:Note - This account (Hineyo) is blocked. Bakhtar40 (talk) 15:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They were blocked for 24 hours. That doesn't invalidate their opinion on that basis alone. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Pass

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• Keep: He has won awards which indicate notability and the articles references indicate sufficient coverage InDimensional (talk) 21:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please share

best three references ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bakhtar40 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply

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The result was merge‎ to Martin Ski Dome. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin, Washington

Martin, Washington (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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At a glance, this looks like a well-written and -sourced article, but it's a total

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• Delete or Merge to Stampede pass. I agree with nom. The newspaper record supports this is a train station near Stampede pass that had good ski properties. But there was never a town there. The nearest towns were Easton and Weston. I don't however understand why there was a siding and a station there. Refueling, or maintenance maybe? Here are news clips that are helpful in understanding the place. Describes it as remotest place in county. [27] Stranded Skies spend the night in Meany hut. [28] People ski at Meany SKi hut [29]James.folsom (talk) 21:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  In further reading of the papers I did see a passing mention about steam locomotives needing to stop for water after a long climb up a grade. James.folsom (talk) 19:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as a notable railway complex rather than as a populated place (although some railway workers must have lived there). Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Your assumption that some workers lived is factually incorrect, as my second source makes it clear there were no overnight facilities at the site. Several, other sources I read make it clear it is miles from the nearest and very remote. James.folsom (talk) 23:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge/Redirect to Martin Ski Dome, which appears to have been expanded by the same author. There's enough here for an article, but I think the ski dome is a better target. SportingFlyer T·C 17:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Martin Ski Dome, nothing showing this meets GNG or NGEO.  // Timothy :: talk  17:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Martin Ski Dome. This page does not meet GEOLAND and would be a delete for me, but it is just about a plausible search term for the proposed target. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bintan Lagoon Resort

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Fails

• Keep Closed or not, it easily passes requirements and is well sourced. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete. per
  WP:PROMO. The article and all references on that article seems to be promotion material of that resort. Also, the main contributor of the article, MozaicHotels&Resorts, is an employee of that resort and has been previously blocked for adding promotional content. Ckfasdf (talk) 12:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  Not true at all, the promotional content they added was reverted. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:05, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Plenty of reliable independent coverage. I see nothing promotional in the article. The LEED ccertification is noteworthy in itself, and the new conference center got attention too. Being closed is irrelevant, although the closure also got coverage [30]. Perhaps it will reopen. But once notable, always notable. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
  reliable sources
  .
  1. Kim, Jae-kyoung (2016-09-22). "Tropical paradise on Bintan Island". The Korea Times. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

     The article notes: "With beautiful beaches and countless activities, Bintan Lagoon Resort (BLR) is an ideal destination for those wanting to have fun and socialize at a beach resort. In particular, for those seeking a getaway from hectic city life, this resort offers a complete set of experiences, ranging from sea sports and indoor activities to a variety of dining experiences and cultural tours. Set among 300 hectares of beachfront gardens overlooking the South China Sea, the Indonesian-style 470-room resort has the largest and longest operating beach on Bintan Island, part of the Riau Islands province, Indonesia. ... The resort, which was rebranded BLR a year ago,"

  2. Tan, Cheryl (2008-08-26). "The concierge". The Straits Times. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

     The article notes: "Sprawl on the beach and enjoy the sun at the newly renovated Bintan Lagoon Resort. Just 55 minutes away by speedboat from Singapore, the resort overlooks the South China Sea and the archipelago of the Riau islands. ... There are all-terrain vehicles for rent, as well as badminton courts and an amusement arcade."

  3. Ma, Scarlet (2007-07-20). "Matter of course". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

     The article notes: "Bintan has become one of Asia's most popular golf destinations. The two 18-hole championship courses at Bintan Lagoon Resort were designed by golf legends Jack Nicklaus and Ian Baker-Finch. The Jack Nicklaus sea-view course makes the most of the natural landscape. The 13th hole which has a stream running through it, is the trickiest. The Ian Baker-Finch woodlands course covers dramatically undulating terrain."

  4. Yusof, Zaihan Mohamed (2020-08-20). "Bintan Lagoon Resort to close down as Bintan tourism struggles amid Covid-19 outbreak". The Straits Times. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

     The article notes: "After 26 years, the popular getaway Bintan Lagoon Resort is bidding visitors a final goodbye, a victim of the Covid-19 pandemic, which has wreaked havoc on global travel and tourism. Mr Buralimar, head of the Bintan Tourism Office, said declining visitor numbers and tourism receipts were behind the demise of the 450-room, five-star resort. A July 31 report filed with the Bintan Regency Manpower Office showed that 500 employees of the resort have been laid off. The resort is about a 60-minute ferry ride from Singapore, in Lagoi on Bintan Island, which is part of Indonesia's Riau archipelago"

  5. Moss, Justin (2016-04-23). "Stay and play for the hols".
     ProQuest 1783693336. Archived from the original
     on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

     The article notes: "A perennial favourite due to its proximity and accessibility is the Bintan Lagoon Resort (BLR), which has 470 rooms, suites and villas. In July 2012 it launched its own ferry terminal which delivers you right to the resort. In addition to two championship 18-hole golf courses, the resort has over 50 land and sea activities (including jet skiing, tennis, archery and all-terrain vehicle rides and its own 1.5km beachfront."

  There is sufficient coverage in
  reliable sources to allow Bintan Lagoon Resort to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 09:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply

  ]