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Distruptive user

• Please be aware that User:Ivan Bogdanov (also has edited anonimously using IVANOV TRUD as edit summary), who has made several distruptive edits to articles related to Heads of Latvian government, has also edited Prime Minister of Estonia and Prime Minister of Lithuania, please check whether the content of these and similar articles matches article's scope and any previous consensus on what the content of the article should be. Note that user has been ignoring atempts to communicate with him ~~Xil...sist! 08:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed article deletion, Soviet occupations

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soviet occupations, Unless you have something new and specific to add either way, request you read only so this notice is not misconstrued as a canvassing attempt. —PētersV 16:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RU Wikipedia

Can someone address this item regarding mass deportations in the Latvia article?

• "1941, 1949 – mass repressions and the dispatch into Siberia of discordant with the Communist regime, also criminals, participants in the Fascist motions, into 1949 former soldier Waffens SS, prostitutes. The motion of partisans “forest brothers” - act until 1956."

original

• 1941, 1949 — массовые репрессии и высылки в Сибирь несогласных с коммунистическим режимом, также преступников, участников фашистских движений, в 1949 бывших солдат Waffen SS, проституток. Движение партизан «лесные братья» — действуют до 1956 года.

That it was prostitutes, criminals, and Nazis who were deported claptrap based on Soviet "sources" has been leaking into the English WP as well. PētersV (talk) 20:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Here please list the articles related to the Baltic States that are tagged as violating NPOV, lacking references, needing attention, copyediting, or general clean up. As well, list here stubs that deserve to be expanded. Please add new entries at the top of this list and please describe what needs to be done.

• Estophobia —- was nominated for deletion. The arguments need to be sorted through, the reasonable ones taken into account, and the quality of the article raised level high enough to avoid deletion. Digwuren 16:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Latvian Legions should be merged into Latvian Legion---- Xil/talk 16:07, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Latgalian language – I've suggested to split it i.e. move most article to new page titled Latgalian dialect. Please join discussion and vote on talk page -- Xil/talk 15:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Talk:Teutonic-Estonian War – The article's title seems to be original research; I have proposed alternatives on the talk page (including an expansion to Livonian Crusade). Olessi 15:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Occupation of Baltic Republics has an ongoing survey to move the article to "Occupation of Baltic States"; is in need of various inline references (I have tagged a few paragraphs, but not all) and copy-editing; allegations of non-NPOV title, similar to those on Talk:1940–1945 occupation of Latvia, have resurfaced, so some tagging "action" may be oncoming. Doc15071969 09:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Neo-Nazism in Estonia – as it is, it's more like propaganda leaflet. I suggest voting for deletion, and if someone wishes, re-start it as a whole. Currently nonsense. Constanz – Talk 10:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Estonian Independence Party – vandalist assaults, claiming the party is Neo-Nazi. Constanz – Talk 10:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Talk:Estonian Liberation War needs some attention, as the same Soviet guys have found 'anti-Soviet POV' again.Constanz – Talk 08:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Occupation of Latvia 1940–1945 A group of comrades suggest Baltic states were never occupied and thus, the word occupation should not be used. I've listed the dispute here, it might be of some help. Please see article discussion.--Constanz – Talk 14:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Latvian-Soviet War -- Ghirlandajo has renamed the article without discussion. I won't be participating at Wiki very much anymore -- I don't have time for this sort of idiocy. The article should be expanded, or the similar Estonian article should be renamed also, and then let us concede to renaming everything as Soviet apologists desire. This is pretty much the nadir of Wikiidiocy -- sorry, but the war was not merely or even mostly "Latvian-Soviet" but involved various parties, as described in the article. Latvia was at war with Germany also, for instance. Context. --Pēteris Cedriņš 14:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • It seems that the reason is that "we don't use Great Patriotic War for the Eastern front of WWII" ( Ghirlandajos' next edit summary after the move, no other particular reason to say that). That doesn't make sence and infact the new title is POV – Latvians generaly call this war "Battles of Freedom", not Liberation war. Soviet forces were mainly formed from Latvian rifflemen many of them left soviet army, because they were against soviet policy and rest of soviet forces were driven out of most parts of Latvia. Most of the fithing happened between Latvians and their alies vs Germans and anti-soviet Russians. Are we going to call every soviet fiasco a "soviet war" ? -- Xil/talk 03:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is Ghirla's attitude towards every edit by any non-(pro)-Russian on any such subject, basically, and I shall no longer wade through this shit, sorry -- at least not until I have lots of free time. It is very tiring to try to edit when there is a tidal wave of Soviet apologists ready to mow down everything that does not conform to Stalin's books -- redone, in a new guise, hip-hip-hooray, so cute and funky! May Irpen and Ghirla enjoy themselves, along with all other polittekhnologi. I won't be back too soon. Ardievu! --Pēteris Cedriņš04:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Xil -- yes, Latvians most often call it brīvības cīņas, of course. I spent time comparing what English language texts call it, trying to distill a title and weighing the alternatives. You have to compare what that is literally, as a translator, to what similar conflicts are called. --Pēteris Cedriņš 05:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Issue was resolved by User:Doc15071969 who moved article to Latvian War of Independence-- Xil/talk 19:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Ilva Liepiņa tagged as POV, makes impression that she's a porn star or something -- Xil/talk 02:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• The nationality of Vlado Perlemuter is not clear from the wiki article. Was he Pole, Jew or Frenchman? Orionus 13:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• January Uprising Lithuanian role in 1863 Uprising not reflected at all.
• Kaunas University of Technology really needs some attention. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 18:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• National Power Unity. I added a note on the threat of violence made yesterday; I am not sure if/how to list this article as a current event. --Pēteris Cedriņš 12:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Portal:Latvia After a long absence, I updated current news and picture; perhaps someone can suggest/update the featured article? —Pēters J. Vecrumba 06:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another update done (news, picture, october dates in history), would appreciate someone tracking down a good feature article to replace the current one. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 15:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Talk:Memel (disambiguation)#Memel redirect to the city or the disambiguation page what it means--Molobo 14:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Articles
  Districts of Latvia. If no one objects, I could do it in a few weeks. -Yyy 12:21, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • I think that is a very clear case. Go right ahead! Renata 14:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done. -Yyy 08:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Politics of Lithuania: the description of the administrative division in the article requires serious wikifying. Linas Lituanus 17:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Kohuke and Curd snack should be merged (but under which name ?) -- Xil/talk 23:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Merged under English name. Renata 02:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Baltic Way – maybe someone could find a free image? Renata 17:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Alūksne has been tagged for POV by Ghirlandajo -- see its talk page.
• Is Flakans War a valid article? After reading it carefully, the article seems suspect; for one, the UN didn't exist during the proposed time frame of the event--Confuzion 02:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not only did the UN not exist -- Estonia and Latvia didn't yet exist, either. --Pēteris Cedriņš 08:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Tagged Pērkonkrusts, an article on the extremist group(s), as factually inaccurate. See its talk page. --Pēteris Cedriņš 02:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Singing Revolution Section on Estonia is written in heroic manner, while almoust nothing is said about Latvia and Lithuania -- Xil/talk 08:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• I have proposed merging
  Talk:Occupation of Latvia. Pēteris Cedriņš 01:34, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Merge completed into
    Occupation of Latvia 1940–1945, more work necessary to expand original "Occupation of Latvia" article which only dealt with the first Soviet occupation. —Pēters 04:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
    ]
• Mediaeval artist
  Danse macabre or altar?--Kresspahl 14:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Pilėnai could be expanded and language could be corrected DeirYassin 21:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Balts: This edit needs to be toned down and wikified. --Ghirla | talk 17:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed; not only "toned down" but corrected; the Latvians article is also in need of major revision (and some serious deletions...). Pēteris Cedriņš 15:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Added factual accuracy tag to
  Bermontians -- see Talk:Bermontians. The article needs considerable expansion, besides requiring major changes. --Pēteris Cedriņš 16:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• The Latvian mythology article needs serious clean-up (as do many of the articles in the list there -- many require name changes/moving). Pēteris Cedriņš 15:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • What would you say if I merged all the stubs into one list, say List of deities in Latvian mythology and List of mythologic holidays in Latvia (or something). Almost exactly the same problem is with Lithuanian mythology. Renata 14:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would say -- great idea! --Pēteris Cedriņš 14:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ok then. Give me till Monday and I'll do it. Are titles ok? maybe it should be List of pagan holidays in Latvia? Renata 04:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Seems like it would be a good start at a simple redo of Latvian mythology, sections being a historical overview, list of deities+description (not pointing to other articles) and list of holidays; I added a Talk:Latvian mythology page --Pēters 17:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Deities are done. Comments welcome on the talk page. Renata 06:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• The "Demographics" section in the main Latvia article is tagged as neutrality disputed; no reason given. --Pēters 23:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• The "History" section in the main Latvia article is tagged as neutrality disputed; no reason given. --Pēteris Cedriņš 15:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• History of Latvia is tagged as neutrality disputed. --Pēteris Cedriņš 15:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • The above 3 were tagged by Efenstor all around (now) a week to week and a half ago. What is Wiki policy on removing tags which were added with no explanation? -- Pēters 06:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I asked the user what's the problem. If no sensible answer is given in a couple of days – feel free to remove. Renata 14:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I greatly expanded the "History" section at Latvia over the past couple of days, and plan to work on History of Latvia in the near future. I would appreciate criticism/editing of the section, and I think the "Demographics" section can now be untagged. Please see Talk:Latvia ("POV sections"). --Pēteris Cedriņš 22:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • I've left coment in that EU-POV disscusion, also I think one of the sections should be splited in two (see article's talk page) -- Xil/talk 19:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Territorial changes of the Baltic States is tagged as "factual accuracy disputed" and needs citations. --Pēteris Cedriņš 15:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Romuva – modern revival of paganism in Lithuania, tagged as needing review from a professional DeirYassin 13:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same with the similar topic Dievturība in Latvian. --Pēteris Cedriņš 01:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Jurgis Baltrušaitis – unreferenced. Renata 02:24, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• History of Russians in Latvia --Pēteris Cedriņš 23:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • I've un-POV'ed the first section, which I've completely rewritten, and moved the cleanup/POV (now section-wise) flags below. --Pēters 03:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Next section added covering through to end of 1917 Revolution. --Pēters 00:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Lithuanian underground government (about the government of Lithuania in 1941) DeirYassin 18:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • I doubt much about the title of the article. It sounds not very English. Linas Lituanus 13:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here please list the current ongoing important discussions about articles related to the Baltic States, so that other contributors would became aware of the debates and could voice their opinions. Add new articles at the top of this list and briefly outline the issue.

• Baltic states – There is discussion whether Lithuania (and part of Latvia) is in northen or in central Europe (culturaly not geographicly), BTW quick looking into articles on Central Europe and Lithuania suggests Northen Europe ---- Xil...sist! 22:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• I added a section to
  Occupation of Baltic states#Treaties affecting USSR-Baltic relations. Hopefully Baltic editors will find it of use in any of the number of "occupation discussions" going on at any particular time. —  Pēters J. Vecrumba 03:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• A discussion about deleting the Ethnographic villages in Lithuania category. Whether to rename it to "open-air museums". --Lysy^talk 20:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• I want to rewrite Latvian language, I outlined my plan on Talk:Latvian language please disscus it there---- Xil/talk 17:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Please answer my question about Kursenieki on Talk:Latvian language -- Xil/talk 15:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Added online books/studies republished on the web section to Latvia article. The respective documents are not in the public domain and so cannot be simply stuck into the appropriate Wiki. (I should mention that if there is sufficient demand I would consider putting up the Lithuanian and Estonian sections of "Attitudes of the Major Soviet Nationalities" (contents similar to the Latvian section). —Pēters J. Vecrumba 16:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Vociferous debate on the occupation of the Baltic States continues at
  Talk:Occupation of Latvia 1940–1945... --Pēteris Cedriņš 06:03, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • And bled over into Talk:Lithuania --Pēters J. Vecrumba 20:22, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • After some external instigation I've proposed in
    Occupation of Latvia 1940–1945 article from 1940–1991. There's just too much left hanging and incomplete from a historical perspective. Please post thoughts on talk page. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 23:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
    ]
• The
  Occupation of Baltic Republics to Annextion of Baltic States]] by User:Nixer. Everything is reverted now. But some move protection may be needed. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 18:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• The "Prussians" article was moved to Old Prussians after a poll taken by only 2 people (including the originator), see Talk:Old Prussians. IMO it was a wrong idea. Please comment there. `'mikka (t) 22:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• a new approval poll, to discuss the matter of how to name the article currently at Władysław II Jagiełło. Interested editors are invited to participate, at Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło. Shilkanni 18:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Talk:Klaipėda Region#What's this article actually about?? editors with knowledge of the area needed to help determine what exactly this article should be about. heqs 04:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Please join the discussion at Category talk:Russian people about whether the category should include ethnic Russians and Soviet people. Conscious 04:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• talk page but it lacks opinions -- Xil/talk 22:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Talk:Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth#Today's Sucessor to the Commonwealth – input from Lithuanian editors much needed.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 00:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Naming discussions and such in
  Medininkai Incident. DeirYassin 10:01, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Vilnius article: is it fact or fiction that Aslan Maskhadov commanded the Russian attac on the TV tower in January 1991 ? --_Lysy^talk 07:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is a known fact and you can easily google that. I remember even seing it at his own bio at pro-Chechen site (kavkaz.org or some other pro-separatist propaganda site). --Irpen 07:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • He was not *the* main leader however and the only reason why he is being mentioned is because he is famous now, while other leaders who participated aren't. DeirYassin 08:54, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Talk:Grand Duchy of Lithuania#Was PLC dominated by Poles? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 23:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Vytautas the Great tagged as {dispute} over the name. See talk page and Battle of Grunwald. Renata 05:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Estonian freemasonry is up for deletion here. Renata 05:08, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Talk:Gediminas, Grand Duke of Lithuania – discussion whether the article should be named simply Gediminas or follow WP naming conventions and have current title. Or maybe naming conventions should be re-written? Renata 02:24, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Talk:History of Russians in Latvia --Pēteris Cedriņš 23:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło: Various move proposals are discussed here. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 05:59, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Naming of Polish monarchs has caused quite a lot of stirr recently. There is now a strong move to go back to before all of this started, which I believe would be a step in the completly wrong direction. Some of us may quarrel about Władysław II Jagiełło vs Jogiala, but I believe none of us want to have Wladislaus II of Poland. Please see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Need of particular exception/ convention for Polish monarchs and remember that Wladislaus II of Poland is ready to come back...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Talk:Jagiellon dynasty – an editor has asked other Lithuanian editors for their thoughs about whether Jagellon (without 'i') would not be a better spelling. I am notifying interested editors here about the request.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Talk:Armia Krajowa – the section about relations with Lithuanians has been expanded and new refs are added, there is related discussion at talk.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło Since Jogaila is a key figure in Lithuania's history, you may be interested to vote. Juraune 15:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Would any Latgalians be able to comment on whether
  Kappa 04:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Just notifying about AfD on
  DLX 08:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Estonia national rugby union team (the other Baltic rugby squads have their own pages.)--MacRusgail 15:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• I've created
  Template:KalvitisCabinet, most of which needs articles. Biruitorul 07:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Soviet Legacy in Russian Policy. I have been unable to find anything focusing on Russia's promulgation of the Soviet view on post-WWII Eastern Europe or its resurrection of Stalinist symbols. I would envision it as the place for an objective accounting of the Baltics' occupation/no-occupation "debate". The general theme would be Stalin is buried but (increasingly?) not dead. I did check Politics of Russia as a potential article where one could expand on this theme, but that's not really the appropriate venue. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 16:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Arūnas Matelis. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 20:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Hinduism in Lithuania--D-Boy 06:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Constitution of Latvia and Constitution of Estonia! Renata 02:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• requested translation from Lithuanian Wikipedia (lt:Aspazija) -- Xil/talk 23:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Translated. Please verify accuracy! Renata 03:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Article about events in january 1991 in Latvia, I mean Barikādes (Barricades) – name should be different i.e. different sorces name this event Barricades' Days (in Riga), Barricades of 1991 and so on. I couldn't find such article, but topic is important and extensive as most sorces start their timeline in november '90 [1] -- Xil/talk 01:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Did myself –
    January 1991 events in Latvia -- Xil/talk 13:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply
    ]
• Articles on individual regional parks. The Lithuanian parks are listed at List of regional parks of Lithuania. --Lysy^talk 12:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Please translate lt:Gaujos nacionalinis parkas to Gauja National Park (Lithuanian article seems more detailed then tose in other Wikipedias) ---- Xil/talk 13:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Ultimatums to the Baltic governments dismb page shows red links, especially on EE and LV side. M.K. (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Latvia here, somewhere I also have the 1940 Soviet account

Wiki

• For some images you might be able to use {{
  PD-LithuaniaGov}}. Commons also has a similar template for Latvia
  .

• Vector-images.com has a bunch of coat of arms for Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. All those gif images are free to use. Upload to commons under this template.
• http://www.lnb.lv/digitala_biblioteka/ has scans of old papers, postcards and other such images that are likely PD (unfortunetly it's only in Latvian, but I guess you'll be able to find your way around by cliking buttons on top of the page) ---- Xil/talk 12:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• KGB document images: Lithuanians have set up [2]. It's going to be a goldmine of Wikipedia sources regarding the Soviet occupation. Digwuren 17:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]