User talk:Bishonen/Archive 19

Reverted some of the reverted fixes. I'm looking for second opinions, because a lot of these changes don't make all that much sense to me, even after reading the MoS. I'm all for neutrality, but it seems like somewhat of an over-reading to defer to the southern hemisphere in an article that is geographically limited to a specific part of Europe.

Peter ^Isotalo 11:05, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

What about our numerous Antarctican readers? Penguins are people too yah know.--MONGO 11:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

It's not just about the southern hemisphere, there are also the tropics to consider. In India and most of Africa, where a majority of the English speakers of the world live, there are no seasons. There may be a dry season and a wet season, but these are different from place to place. Saying the summer of 1608 is not just lazy and ambiguous writing, it may also place a barrier to understanding between you and the reader. Why would you wish to do that? Would you accept an Indian writer saying the dry season of 1408? The situation is no different. --John (talk) 12:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If an Indian writer wrote the dry season of 1408 or the wet/monsoon season of 1408 in an article about an event that took place in India, it would be far more informative than writing early/middle/late or whatever 1408, since it would tell the reader what the weather was like when the event took place; just like writing summer/winter of 1512 for an event that took place in Europe. So I'm all for stating what season of the year an event took place. Thomas.W ^talk 12:54, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

That's a good point. It would depend (as MoS makes clear) whether it was something like a harvest or a miltary campaign where the season makes a difference, or just as a lazy and half-assed way of talking about when something happened. The former is ok if the sources support it and proper explanation can be made. The latter never is. --John (talk) 13:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

The specificity of certain events are always dependent on their relevance to something. Why is it relevant to know the exact dates for the start and end of the 1664-65 logging season in Sweden in an article about a ship?

Peter ^Isotalo 15:44, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Indeed....John is correct. I would have been as mystified as Peter was...and I am guilty of being a northern hemisphere partisan as I know I have, numerous times in my writing, used the seasonal wording to describe the time of year....I can hear them now....the Antarcticans are coming to get me!...--MONGO 15:50, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm hesitant to ask for this, but could someone just hint about the lack of consensus regarding WP:SEASON at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kronan (ship)/archive1?

Peter ^Isotalo 20:10, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Peter....looks like an excellent article. MOS does guide us to avoid mentioning seasons, explicitly stating that naming the month or perhaps the quarter of the year to make the issue hemispherically unambiguous is expected. John is a fairly strict adherent to MOS guidelines, and for the sake of standardization, that's probably not a bad thing. The best thing about this project is that the collaboration brings specific talents together at FAC and the end result is usually some pretty damn good articles. However, my take on MOS guidelines allows some grey areas that would excuse noncompliance with SEASON.--MONGO 01:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

It feels more like it's simply jumping through hoops right now, especially in view of this.[2] Is this type of language sticklerism common fare at FAC these days? Right below the FAC talk on the paramount importance of not writing "winter", there's a fierce discussion on the beastly American habit of not writing "admitted to hospital".

Peter ^Isotalo 05:18, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Fresh from our interesting discussion above about seasonal nomenclature in Featured Articles, it's good to see you again in regard to this editor. I approve your restoration of talk page access and your block of User:Stimpy3 as an illegitimate

Well, I'm a pretty conservative duck hunter; I don't block just because a "new" account obviously isn't new, or I'd be going bang-bang-bang all day long. I blocked Stimpy3 because they not only acknowledged being a sock, but also spelled out their discreditable motives for not using their main account (wrapped in self-righteous accusations about abusive admins protecting QG, why is nobody surprised?) I summarize: they were trying to avoid scrutiny.[3] And you notice their random relationship with facts again in their next post: assuming that anybody who thwarts them must be an admin and getting two out of four right. But I suppose that's too common to point to anybody in particular.

As for Fasf14, maybe I should ask Darwinbish to edit her template warning to apply to throwaway "accounts" as well as IPs, then it would be just right for them.

About the block, I'll be frank, John. It will probably stick because QG does give sceptics a bad name, as someone said. But I don't think it was well timed, in the middle of an argument between the two of you, and following hard upon your revert of his removal of a conversations from his talkpage (not good). A bit like arresting Al Capone for tax evasion, as another of those IPs said, and he wasn't even evading very much tax. (My god, doesn't any of the acupuncture and chiropractic true believers have the guts to use their account? Or maybe they're all blocked.) As for an unblock request, yes, he should post one, but I'm beginning to wonder if I didn't tell him emphatically enough that I'd restored tpa. Does he know he can appeal? Well, probably. He must be reading the page, after all. Bishonen | talk 09:41, 31 May 2014 (UTC).

QG /

talk

) 03:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

For sharing that insight. I will review it in detail before I post again to any Admin board. Cheers!) - ℅ ✰WPPilot✰ ^echo 22:18, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

☺ Bishonen | talk 10:16, 3 June 2014 (UTC).

Hang on: You asked me for my email address, I gave it, I should expect you to be polite by giving you the privilege of knowing it (when I don't advertise it on Wikipedia) and you abuse it.

Now, User:BDD had suggested a couple of months ago that someone had been impersonating me since it was not my style. I checked but couldn't find that was the case, so I imagine it was mine, but it is possible. The only time I have ever sworn (in what I would regard as swear words such as F; which many people seem to use as commas) in the many years I have edited WP is to express my extreme discontent with this hounding by a few admins who have a different opinion from mine. Even though I have done my research offer an opinion – often several which negate the others – for others to choose. I thought it was redirects for discussion, not redirects for imposition, and is certainly not Redirects for deletion, no matter what the sidebar says.

I probably pushed that point rather strongly. When I come to' RfD with refs, researched, before bringing the discussion, I am told I am

But if I am humble and edit without commenting, I am told I should have made it clear. The other two pillars, WP:N and WP:V are equally dodgy in practice. WP:N means "is the person who said this someone you might of heard of?", so Oprah Winfrey's chat show applies but an expert in numismatism or calisthenics doesn't, and it is not a triangle in the first place since WP:V is just WP:N and WP:RS in a straight line. (Mathematically that is a triangle but rather a special case.)

I am not out to win and don't need to. I tried to improve the Wikipedia for the last eight years. I am not saying I always succeeded.

Do you know how much shit I have to take from it? I have the pleasure, on balance, to have contributed and have people thanking me for doing so. They used to thank with a brief message, and perhaps how we could proceed togethere to make it even better... I went to libraries and sourced books and even bought books (second hand) to improve articles. Now one just hits "thank" and that is enough. No, it is not enough.

I have given you the courtesy of a reply. Now you are an admin, I blanked my account, please delete my account.

S.

Please don't babble and maunder on my page. What do you mean by posting a section called "e-mail harassment" here and talking about me "abusing" the e-mail addy you confided to me? As if I'd been harassing you by e-mail? I've written two e-mails to you, ever, in which I tried to explain certain things to you that I didn't want to tell you in public. *You* have e-mailed *me* ten times. Do you realise I have also given *you* the confidence of *my* e-mail address (and I'm sorry I did)? I don't "advertise" it on Wikipedia either.

As an admin, there's nothing more I can do about your account than what I already described in my e-mail of May 27. But since you're still in good standing (=not blocked), you can vanish for good from Wikipedia, if you're sure that's what you want to do. Read all about it

here and follow the instructions. Bishonen | talk

22:56, 5 June 2014 (UTC).

(talk page stalker) I don't think anyone can delete an account; however you can apply for Wikipedia:Courtesy_vanishing, if you'd like to leave and not return.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

[4] --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:37, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of it. I hope the user takes advantage of

the advice he has been given from several quarters. Bishonen | talk

09:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC).

I assume he removed your vote when he transcluded, per the usual guideline on waiting until it goes live, at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Deor. I had already put in a commented vote before you but it broke stuff so I reverted. Anyway, it is live now. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 13:19, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey Dennis...see that tank up top...that's my tank and I operate it...but dealing with me and my tank is far better than dealing with some of Bishonen's more powerful allies....so watch yer step partner.--MONGO 14:13, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

She started it... Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 14:14, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Grrrrr....lol.--MONGO 15:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Bish. Would you mind taking a look at IP 85.197.52.156, a Wikilawyering "new" IP from Köln/Cologne, Germany (see discussion my talk page), to see if the actions and the geolocation ring any bells for you? Because it is definitely not a new user, and you seem to have a knack for spotting new incarnations of old users (remember TE?). I have a faint memory of having encountered an indefinitely blocked or banned user from that part of Germany, but my memories of that encounter are very faint. Thomas.W ^talk 18:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I've always thought myself remarkable for my lack of sock sense, so I'm glad you noticed my unique TE feat (where I think I followed an SPI back inte the archives, and there was TE, bold as brass, no intuition needed). A

MOS nerd in Cologne? Sorry, no, it doesn't ring a bell. I think I agree with them about removing the bolding, though. But their claim to know all about the MOS seems a little weakly founded, in that they don't know it's (of course) not a policy. Accusing you of "policy-violating" edits was a bit silly. My taste in tea is more vulgar than yours,[5] almost kitschy. Have you tried strawberry tea with a lime leaf in it? I like to eat a lot of jam and cheese with that. The combo would cheer up a tiger. Bishonen | talk

21:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC).

The Lapsang Souchong satt bra, with a piece of fullkornsbröd topped with Kavli Kyckling & Baconost. I guess I haven't adjusted yet to not working 9-5 anymore, because being retired isn't as fun as I thought it would be. Thomas.W ^talk 21:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey Bishonen, I saw that the protection expired on the asmallworld page. I know when you spoke to IIIraute and me you mentioned such protection would be ongoing. I don't know if you intended it to become unlocked or not. I just wanted to notify you. Since it became unlocked an IP has been editing it and deleting sourced material and adding unsourced material. I only removed/restored the more heavy handed moves of the IP. Anyway, if your initial intention was to protect the page indefinetley you should reprotect it. Thanks (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 21:56, 9 June 2014 (UTC))

Thanks for letting me know. I actually never semi'd the page, I merely fullprotected it for a couple of weeks, timing it to expire at the same time as User:Ymblanter's semiprotection would have. Complicated? Yes — the log, here, makes it clearer.

The IP isn't necessarily trying to disrupt the article, even though they don't know about Wikipedia sourcing (you see how they attempt to refer to a source in the edit summary here?), or about how to write in an explanatory way for the common reader in an encyclopedia ( for instance, I have no idea what they mean by "assets = The World's Finest Clubs AG (November 2012)"). Perhaps you can educate them? They might blossom into a useful editor, I don't see why not. I've written on their page, suggesting a few things, but they're going to need more practical help than that. Bishonen | talk 22:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC).

Sounds good, thanks. (Mostlyoksorta (talk) 03:25, 10 June 2014 (UTC))

I see they came back from a different IP, either without having read my note (the most likely scenario) or having ignored it. A pity it's so hopeless to try to communicate with dynamic IPs, because I still think they may mean to be helpful. But I'm not going to chase after them trying to get lucky and have them actually read a note from me, and I obviously can't expect you to do that, either. (We should require registration to edit Wikipedia IMO, not least because of cases like this.) I agree with your request for semi at

WP:RFPP and with Kelapstick's action on it. Bishonen | talk

14:20, 10 June 2014 (UTC).

Hi. Just to say thank you for your swift action in the case of User:AHLM13. Have a great day!

RomanSpa (talk) 14:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

And thank you very much for the report. I wish I, or I suppose any admin, had paid attention to it sooner, because there is now a lot of work to do reverting those unconstructive reverts. I see NeilN has started. Bishonen | talk 14:17, 10 June 2014 (UTC). P.S., you'd think Johnuniq was an admin, wouldn't you? But he's not. Bishonen | talk 14:27, 10 June 2014 (UTC).

[6] with edit summary Reverted 1 edit by Collect (talk): Rv WP:OR -- a very surprising BLP violation by this editor...

I suggest is gaming here. Especially with his talk page comment: This edit amounts to WP:SYNTH and is thus a BLP violation. Please do not repeat it. And please be mindful of 3RR. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:21, 12 June 2014 (UTC) Inasmuch as he asked for the claim that "Santorum is a Catholic" to be cited, so I cited everything under the sun, and used separate sentences to boot. The edits which it replaced were [7] and [8] which appeared UNDUE as the issue of euthanasia is the teachings of his church. This is the type of thing I face every day -- and frequently from the same folks, and I rather think their intent is clear. Cheers. Collect (talk) 14:02, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

What, another article? Sorry, I don't much feel like reviewing that one, your editing of it, Nomoskedasticity's editing of it (there, I've pinged him for you), and on and on... and without that, I can hardly comment. Are you saying that you "facing stuff like that everyday" is an explanation of your BLP ruleslawyering and your combative sarcastic tone on the AN3RR noticeboard — is that your message here on my page? If so, I can understand what you mean. I can recommend a cup of tea and hanging with some nice people. You know, decompressing. Too much inhalation of the polluted air around the political articles on Wikipedia can't be good for anybody's temper. I wonder if the ongoing RFAR will help, but I can't say I'm really optimistic. Political passions on an encyclopedia that anyone can edit are bound to reflect political passions IRL.

I hoped you'd read my AN3 comment as emphasising your clean three-and-a-half year block log, but it seems you saw chiefly my description of your old blocks, which I meant to mention only to dismiss, as being, you know, old. Your response even italicised the words "more than three years ago", practically a fucking quote from my own first words, as if to awaken me to some novelty. I'll have to work some more on my emphasis and focus. But I'll stop typing now and go have some tea myself. Who's Nomo? (But this is not really meant to continue a conversation, in case ending on a question sounds like it. Please reply if and how you wish, but I think I'm done.) Bishonen | talk 16:45, 12 June 2014 (UTC).

• Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.....--MONGO 23:13, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello most honorable Ms. Bish and family. I was out and about on wiki - and wanted to drop by to wish you well. I did go see the new Godzilla movie (on opening day) ... WOW ... FANTASTIC!!!

Hope you and yours are doing well -- All my best always,

Ched — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.99.132 (talk) 15:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

See here. I left a message on their talk. to which they replied here and then proceeded to revert the edit. The "data" added by the user is consistent with editing pattern of Ansegam with citations added from 'books.google.es'. If it's a SPA, I simply don't understand why the user cannot appeal their block and explain their actions. Any thoughts? Thanks.  NQ  talk 01:37, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Aha, thank for the heads-up. Did you notice Ansegam has a template on his page that reads: "This user is new to Wikipedia. Please assume good faith, remain civil, and be calm, patient, helpful, and polite while he/she gets accustomed to Wikipedia and its intricacies." And Graniole wrote to you "Let me become accostumed to Wikipedia". (Spelled differently, but then the first one was a template, not his own spelling.) That's almost enough for a duck block on its own. A little more

ROPE

might put it beyond doubt without bothering a checkuser. Let me ponder a little — I'm not really awake yet.

What an unhelpful diff. Ludicrous system. I had to stick it into Word and use the "Compare documents" to see what exactly it was he added..! Were you able to see whether it was in fact a restoration of refs that had been added by A before? (Please don't bother to chase it down if not, I think this is bound to be resolved rather quickly in any case.) And did you notice the UK IP reverting him afterwards, and then Graniole reverted again? That's enough of that, I'm going to give him the newbie 3RR template while I think. And a "use edit summaries" also. You already told him, but if he has no conception of them, he needs a link. Bishonen | talk 06:24, 13 June 2014 (UTC).

Now at 4 straight reverts:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Systems_of_inheritance_among_various_peoples&action=history&offset=2014061310

Includes a revert after your warning. It's not often I wish I had a block button. --RexxS (talk) 10:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Isn't the echo of the quack from the quasi-dead duck hanging that rope loud enough? Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing 11:21, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) I saw this thread and filed a report at AN3, resulting in Graniole being blocked for 24h for edit-warring. Enough time for a quick look at the quacking. Thomas.W ^talk 12:21, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: Yes, Sam, it's deafening. I thought seriously of just duckblocking, but it's an indeffing matter, of a user who originally meant to help I guess (though he immediately started showing he's not cut out to edit here, when he was challenged), so I thought it would be nice to have a check, and now I have. And the CU immediately blocked Graniole himself. Noooo… here I was just going to tell RexxS how satisfying it is to have your own block button and go BANG BANG… and Reaper Eternal went and stole my sockthunder! :-( Never mind, I go indef the master now. Unbelievable guy. You'd think he could at least have found an open proxy in China or summat. Bishonen | talk 14:48, 13 June 2014 (UTC).

PS, just drop a note here if anybody should notice new Ansegam socks at these articles. I won't make a song and dance with checkuser again. And thank you, Thomas, for procuring me some breathing space with the 3RR. [/me stuffs Thomas, RexxS, Sam, NQ, and Reaper Eternal into her pocket. I mean into Bishzilla's pocket! She especially likes to have a good selection of checkusers in there.] Bishonen | talk 15:13, 13 June 2014 (UTC).

Might not be of any value, but I did notice earlier today this post dated May 15, from a Spanish forum. I guess he didn't have a helluwa lot of luck recruiting collaborators. Judge for yourself. Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing 16:29, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. Did you get that just by googling Ansegam? Poor fellow. I thought he was well-meaning from the start, and that post certainly looks like it. Enthusiasm comes through, about Wikipedia, about his own articles, and about erudition. What a pity he wasn't able to adjust to our ways. :-( Bishonen | talk 17:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC).

Right you are. And how ironic is it that he tried to canvass off-wiki for co-editors considering that he could have had a dozen friends here and have been held in high esteem for his knowledge and hard work. Alas,

WP:ACADEME. Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing

18:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm a little late, but glad to see everything resolved quickly, just like you said it would. Like Sam Sailor said, he could have been an asset with his knowledge and hard work, had he worked well within the framework of Wikipedia guidelines. I have been keeping a tab on the foroches forum thread ever since Ansegam got blocked, to see if there was any mention of edit warring or sock puppetry, but couldn't find any. The user Graniole was created merely two minutes after the last edit by Ansegam's IP and the first edit was to this article. The style of writing, adding lengthy non-formatted url citations from google books (spanish), constantly reverting edits with no edit summaries were dead giveaways. However I gave the user a chance to come clean by providing some context about the whole situation on their talk in order to dissuade them from making further edits and let the situation resolve itself. However they decided to create a new persona, claim ignorance and rightly characterised it as "a battleground between one user and the rest of Wikipedia0s community" - and that really rubbed me the wrong way along with Ansegam's prior attitude. Thanks for taking care of this.  NQ  talk 20:06, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Ha! The most recent contribution to

I saw him. Never mind the IPs, we could get the registered socks checkusered. [Checks pocket for little checkusers. Sure, a good flock of them. They're playing poker in there! Cute little fellows!] Hang on, I'm trying to think. That loud quacking noise is very distracting. Bishonen | talk 12:57, 14 June 2014 (UTC).

I was a little slow on the uptake there, sorry. Now indeffed per

WP:USERHADBETTERNEVERTRYTOPLAYPOKER. Bishonen | talk

13:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC).

Didn't seem slow to me. Thanks, Bish. - Sitush (talk) 15:27, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

When you got time for it please take a look at

I've copyedited the lead some, except the bit about how Manker in the early 1900's found only one remaining habitation (kåta?) which "was located in Malå during the 1800s". Huh, what? Had it moved away from Malå to somewhere else by the time Manker got there..? I don't mean to make fun, but I don't understand the sentence. Bishonen | talk 17:53, 14 June 2014 (UTC).

Hello, I just pinged you in regard to this; I was told you had blocked me for 48 hours in April of 2014. However, I show no record of being blocked. I was gone for much of that month and my WP access was intermittent so I may have just missed it. However, in case you forgot to apply the block I wanted to give you a heads up and let you know I would receptive to its application now. I reviewed the case in question and I agree such a sanction would be justified for a 3RR I made, however, as I have not edited the article in question (Vance McAllister) since that time I would request you vacate the block. Thanks for your kind consideration. 23:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueSalix (talk • contribs) .

• [9] is your block log, which provides the details. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:41, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
• "Vacate" the April block? Now? What are you talking about? There's a record in the block log, if you follow Dennis's link, and a block notice on your page.[10] I see you took a break for six days after 9 April, when I placed the block, thus perhaps didn't attempt to edit, but I'm still surprised you didn't notice my block template on your page when you returned to editing on 15 April. I thought it was quite conspicuous. Please sign posts on talkpages with four tildes to produce a signature, not five. Bishonen | talk 00:12, 15 June 2014 (UTC).

Dennis Brown and Bishonen; thank you both, kindly, for this clarification. I've replied in the ANI, however, allow me to again apologize for this extra bookkeeping hassle resulting from my oversight. BlueSalix (talk) 10:38, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, even though I felt compelled to delete it before transcluding the RfA. You will at least have escaped the shame of a disadvantageous association if I manage to completely mess something up. Should I find myself in need of heavyweight backup, I'll keep the 'Zilla in mind. Deor (talk) 17:22, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

[Bishzilla can on occasion be protective of the little 'shonen, and now she's outraged.] Delete little 'shonen? _ROARR!! bishzilla _ROARR!! 17:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC).

Darwinbish bites Deor shrewdly on the ankle. darwinbish ^BITE ☠ 18:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC).

In a recent discussion, you suggested I contact an administrator should this IP return to the editing practices that provoked the warnings. Well, they have as you can see here and here. I waited until the 2nd occurrence to inform you. A short block of less than a week probably won't be effective, since the user occasionally goes more than a week between edits. I propose two weeks if that's possible. Thank you! --GoneIn60 (talk) 18:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me. The original idea was for "a short attention-getting block", but I agree they might not notice a short one. Two weeks should not be necessary, though, because at a quick look at the contribs, I don't see them going more than five days without editing, at least recently. (That's quite an orgy they had for a couple of days in May.) Blocked for a week. Bishonen | talk 18:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC).

Hi. Just to let you know that I've made a comment on your proposal about the above user here. I'll be interested to hear your comments. Thanks. RomanSpa (talk) 11:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Legal_threats_against_Wikipedians. Not sure if that is the best forum; I'd appreciate your guidance. - Cwobeel (talk) 02:44, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I see is already taken care of. - Cwobeel (talk) 05:16, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I request you that on page Central University of Haryana there is competition to praise the present employees and creating accounts and advertising as per their whims and caprices. Previous information has been removed without giving any explanation by user:CuharyanaRajsector3 (talk) 03:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Good catch, Rajsector3. I've reverted Cuharyana's removals of sourced criticism and his long additions of promotional content, which also violate our copyright policy, being copypasted straight from the university's own site. (It's expected that a university website will read like an advertisement, I suppose — it is de facto an advertisement — but an encyclopedia article is different.) And, as you know by now, the copyright issue is serious also. I'll write a warning on Cuharyana's page. They're new, have editing nothing except this article, and probably know nothing about our policies. Thanks for the alert! Bishonen | talk 13:39, 22 June 2014 (UTC).

I've taken the equivalent of a Darwinbish bite out of the article to clean it up. Let's see if actually reading the source and summarising it accurately finds any favour with its current crop of editors. --RexxS (talk) 17:18, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Very nice fixes, RexxS, it's looking 1000% better. I was going to suggest to RajSector that he try to get some copyediting help, but you've beautified it beyond any reasonable expectation. I wish Indian articles weren't in such a parlous state altogether. I don't know how Sitush does it, really. Bishonen | talk 20:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC).

Friend / Sir, I request you to help in survival of the page Corruption in Haryana , I am resident of Haryana and topic is notable with sources and essential to stop this menace. I make it clear hear there is no inclination of criticism and promoting someone. Even Lokayukt (Ombudsman) comments have been mentioned on the page. It is truth and having information for the world. If you are agree, please remove the template of deletion or extend the time period for discussion. Profound thanks.Rajsector3 (talk) 16:44, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

(for reference, the recent ANI thread. [11] AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:53, 22 June 2014 (UTC))

The sources may indeed demonstrate the notability of the topic, but the article itself is a piece of polemic and has no place in an encyclopedia. I understand your grievance with the authorities in Haryana, but Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs™ and I'd strongly advise you to read Wikipedia:Tendentious editing #Righting Great Wrongs and take note before it's too late. If you continue to treat Wikipedia as "essential to stop this menace", I'm afraid you'll rapidly outlive your welcome here. --RexxS (talk) 17:36, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

• Please listen to RexxS, RajSector, and take to heart what he says. You're
  WP:TNT. Please click on that link. Bishonen | talk
  21:40, 22 June 2014 (UTC).

Per your post here I would be interested in said info. Feel free to email me if you wish. Montanabw^(talk) 22:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

FYI, just noticed this. I'm only observing for now. Montanabw^(talk) 07:30, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Obviously somebody's sock, since new users don't often start by re-formatting footnotes, using templates. I had some hesitation about blocking per

WP:DUCK, though, because the master account doesn't seem to use those same cite templates, so I've asked a checkuser, to make sure. Confirmed, sock blocked, sockmaster warned. Bishonen | talk

21:52, 28 June 2014 (UTC).

I will also follow-up with Coren,

^{(talk) (cont)}

02:09, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually, if Wikipedia should ever be interested in updating it's system, I can recommend some great models by which to follow, including AT&T, PayPal, and various credit card companies. Thanks,

^{(talk) (cont)}

02:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Don't call me "bro", please. In view of your "I'm being oppressed as a woman" schtick, it seems a little sexist of you to assume everybody on the internet is a man (I'm not one). You have said the same thing now on three pages; I see from your exchange with

WP:ROOMMATE

.

But I'm quite willing to let the matter drop. I wouldn't have said this much if you hadn't come to my page with so much condescension. Bishonen | talk 06:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC).

Hi Goddess. Would you please consider creating this edit notice? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 11:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Gosh, it turns out I have to use a ¥”¢‰¶\{}}≠}{\¶ fucken template. Why? Goddess Darwinbish created an edit notice for her own talkpage with the greatest of ease and intuitiveness. Well, I'll have to fly by the seat of my pants. Let's see if it works.

It seems to — so far — I can't really test without going live with it — but shouldn't there be an introductory sentence to guide new users, or they're liable to add their "thoughts on anything" to the article, or — in confusion — nowhere? How about "If you have any comments on the article, please add them to the talkpage. We're particularly interested, etc"?

I see there's discussion about this in box form, and not everybody may be OK with your edit notice either, but I'll (try to) create it boldly, if you're around to respond to my suggestion above, and it can very easily be removed if it needs a fucken RFC on talk or something.. my god. Anyway. Bishonen | talk 12:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC).

Hang on, I just realized you want to add the edit notice to the talk page. Then I suppose it doesn't need an introductory sentence. On the other hand, will new users even find the talkpage? We tend to think our system is intuitive because we're used to it, but it can be quite opaque to n00bs. Bishonen | talk 12:22, 29 June 2014 (UTC).

Ah, sorry. Go to the article and click on the box that is in the infobox's spot. (I asked User:Drmies and he's not touching it with a bargepole. But I know you're so much braver and wiser than him.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 12:43, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, quite. Try to edit the talkpage now and see what you think. (I'm going out, back later tonight, if you'd like it changed.) Bishonen | talk 15:11, 29 June 2014 (UTC).

Thanks! It works, but I don't think it needs

• "Please add comments below" because that's pretty intuitable from the layout I think.
• "For a new comment, create a new section at the bottom of the page" because they're already doing that.

Is it possible to delete those? And could you please make the font a bit bigger? (<font size=4>bigger?</font>)? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 15:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

As it happens I can edit that notice as well. I've made some of the changes you want, but I've left "For a new comment, create a new section at the bottom of the page" because you also get the edit notice if you click the edit link at the top for the whole page - and we'd like to then direct them to edit at the bottom of the page. Is that ok? --RexxS (talk) 19:59, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you RexxS. Well, would you mind deleting that bit too? My thinking is this, in all the time since that article went live - 3 years or so - not one newbie has ever edited it or left a talk page comment. So, odds are that any newbie who does edit the talk page now is highly likely to have come via the invitation button, and the present wording would be meaningless and confusing to them. While the edit notice is on the page, I'll be fielding any comments or questions, so should a reader put a comment in the wrong place, I'll move it. This isn't a universal solution to be rolled out over all encyclopedia articles, it's just an attempt by me to get some (ideally expert) input to that one, well-watched article.

Also, would you mind changing "but your thoughts on anything – especially ways in which the article could be improved..." to "but any ideas on improvement..." - just for concision? Ta! (Link to edit notice.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 01:41, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. I was never crazy about "your thoughts on anything" — I mean we sometimes get literally some of those on talkpages… Bishonen | talk 08:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC).

Anthony, would you perhaps like to be a template editor? If so, check out the guidelines for granting it here. If you fulfill 'em, I can give you the user right. Well, once I figure out how. Bishonen | talk 09:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC).

That sounds very impressive. I'll definitely look into that. Thanks. And thank you both (User:RexxS!) for your help just now. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 10:41, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I've already asked Bishonen to give me the template editor permission. Waiting impatiently for a whole new field for my endeavours! I'm very good with templates! darwinbish ^BITE ☠ 00:01, 1 July 2014 (UTC).

Does it come with a badge? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 08:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

This user has template editor rights on the English Wikipedia. (verify)

Yeah, cool "in your face, suckers" badge. You should use it, Famously. But the documentation don't inspire much confidence, does it? They've imported some admin documentation lock, stock and barrel. Some template editor needs to fix it. darwinbish ^BITE ☠

09:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC).

I so want that badge. Mmm. I pass 3 and a half of the 6 criteria but it does say, "Items in this section are merely guidelines. An administrator may choose to substitute other proofs of an editor's competence in handling high-risk template responsibilities." (I promise not to handle high-risk template responsibilities. I swear, I'll make you proud.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 12:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

This user has template editor rights on the English Wikipedia. (verify)

Well the badge that the geeks have devised isn't quite as pretty as DB's, but it is a little easier to invoke. At least it is now that someone has created the proper documentation for

Template:User wikipedia/template editor, rather than having the documentation just point to somewhere generic. --T-RexxS (rawr

) 12:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

That's very neat and professional. But I think I prefer darwinbish's Dadaist approach. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 13:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

You are now a template editor, Anthony, per rationale of highly active user, flawless editing of late years, plus he calls me "goddess". Anybody else who'd like to be a template editor, please call me "goddess" below. Bishonen | talk 18:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC).

Thank you Bishonen. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 19:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

• MONGO pathetic monster refer to you as Goddess first!...but template editing bad bad bad to let MONGO do...better smart user do it. MONGO make massive mess, crash servers, anger users.--MONGO 11:27, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

• I don't think so, MONGO.[12] --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 15:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

• Goddess, I have multiple template edits and even a template RfC change pending. I've even been pocketed by Goddess' friend and have even spottierless record than MONGO and used less Tanks. Plus I only edit templates that are broken or not conform to policy. And also use sandbox, testcase and talk page--DHeyward (talk) 06:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Little DHeyward is now a template editor by divine intervention (Bishzilla ex machina). Fell free to use Darwinbish's improved userbox as per above, and to use tanks. Bishonen | talk 12:21, 16 July 2014 (UTC).

This is fun. During 4:33-4:38 she is trying somewhat unsuccessfully not to laugh. vzaak 00:56, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

One question. I think I get the gist of most of this, for instance the suppressed giggling I mentioned is a prelude to this fantastic insult: "Er fula nuna är en skam för den person som bär den, ni förefaller skrynklig som ett handklaver." But what comes after the second "Alla kan ju inte älska alla här i världen, bland andra har jag särskilt svårt att älska er" at 4:25? Online translators and dictionaries are confounded by "Å hujjanemej, å hujjanedej, å fy faderullan faderittandej", if that is what the lyrics are. vzaak 13:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Haha, yes, great insult. Incidentally I tried putting my extract into Google Translate, as I assumed a page watcher or two might do that, and it was quite amusing, introducing a completely extraneous "your husband" (for "er man" in "särskilt sällsynt bliver den när er man ser", so one can't much blame it :-)). This version is very good, provided you keep your eyes tight shut while listening as the illustrations are beneath contempt. I think that's Brita Borg singing. It's better as a monologue, and I think it was written as such, for, indeed, Brita Borg.

As for those words… yikes. They're… exclamations, a bit dialectal and oldfashioned (as suits the song), expressing surprise/indignation. They're mostly just… rhythm, really. But there are a few semantically significant elements. You see how hujjanemej morphs into hujjanedej? That means "me" has turned to "you". So, you might loosely render the two together as "well, I'll be damned, well, you'll be damned". As for "fy faderullan", it's a euphemism for "fy fan", like saying "darn" instead of "damn". (Swedish is extremely fertile in those euphemisms, religiously-oriented swearing being more important than in English. Anything beginning with fa.. or jä.. is liable to be pressed into service: Fy fagerlund! Järnspikar!) And "fy faderittandej" conjoins the whole: "curse you to hell".

But your Swedish is obviously very good. Any background in it? Swedish parent? Bishonen | talk 17:02, 3 July 2014 (UTC).

Oh my, I am flattered by the thought that I might be cultured enough to know Swedish, but I have only a vaninishingly tiny knowledge of it arising from a general interest in languages. Despite being co-opted from a monologue, the duet arrangement was quite enjoyable for me, so much so that I was following the lyrics phoenetically while looking at the corresponding the Google translation. Initially, visually, the stage piece might appear to be another saccharine number akin to

A Bicycle Built for Two -- I love how it's actually a series of insults and profanities. The mysterious "å hujjanemej..." part was tormenting me, resisting all my googling efforts. I really appreciate your explanation, thanks. Getting the lowdown from a native is always interesting. vzaak

05:54, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Making that out was quite a feat, then. I don't know if you noticed that the male singer in the duet was the writer of the song, Tage Danielsson. Creative guy, dead too soon. If you want to challenge yourself some more you might try Elektricitetsvisan. :-) Bishonen | talk 08:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC).

(talk page stalker) Or Tage Danielsson's monologue Om sannolikhet from 1979 about the Three Mile Island accident. Which is a real classic. Thomas.W ^talk 09:36, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

I found a version with English sub-titles too ([13]); watching that version is cheating, though. Thomas.W ^talk 09:43, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

6 months.[14] Abhi (talk) 12:20, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I found you from here as I had searched this user's history after he commented in ANI thread to confirm what I was saying. Nothing strange about it. In fact your this comment is strange. I have given my previous username on my userpage, I have given dozens of links under username neo in above thread on arbcom talkpage. And you casually walk in the hall and declare that 'NOTE! THIS IS Neo.!'. So are you going to block me or should I continue banging my head against gang of anti-Indians and anti-Hinduism admins/users? Abhi (talk) 14:01, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Wait a minute... If those admins delete my posts on arbcom talkpage, then it would flame me and I will come back with IP or new username even after block. Those admins use alien tricks to flame users and then block or ban him. So first, restrain them or please wait. Abhi (talk) 14:59, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

[Light breaks.] Oh, what I took as a challenge to block you was a request for a self-requested block? Sorry. I don't do those blocks conditionally, but on request as per my page User:Bishonen/Self-requested blocks. Please read it. Mind you, your threat to sock indefinitely if "those admins" (who?) "flame" you (I don't think you mean "flame", really) is almost enough to make me block you without any request. But for the moment I'll do nothing, unless/until you come back with an unconditional request where you indicate you accept my conditions for self-requested blocks. In the meantime, please refrain from voicing personal attacks and conspiracy theories about other users. I know you haven't tried to hide your previous account, but you didn't make it clear in any visible way on the arbitration talkpage — not everybody clicks on links — so please don't take offense at my pointing it out. Bishonen | talk 16:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC).

A clueless complaint in Aisle 2, of the paid-editing sort. I mentioned your sadly defunct Clueless Complaints about Sitush subpage. Acroterion (talk) 03:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Gosh, I didn't know Sitush was a brahmin,[15] I'll be more respectful. About the clueless complaints noticeboard, some asshole hassled me about it on RfD, so I defuncted it. I guess it had got a little old anyway. Bishonen | talk 09:57, 6 July 2014 (UTC).

Hello Bish. The vandal in Chile you blocked (after being reported by someone at ANI) is back, now as Special:Contributions/190.96.34.46. Same geolocation and the same old vandalism, introducing small factual errors in articles. Thomas.W ^talk 18:05, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done Blocked by Chillum. Thomas.W ^talk 18:23, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Right. But please tell me who it was I blocked for the same thing before, so I can take a look at the range. I block so many! [Lovingly applies extra lick of polish to her well-worn cherrywood block button.] Bishonen | talk 18:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC).

201.239.30.37 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). The IP-ranges aren't related, though, and are even from different ISPs (this latest one belongs to Gtd Internet S.A. while the previous one belongs to VTR Banda Ancha S.A., both of them in Santiago, Chile), so a range block isn't possible. Thomas.W ^talk 18:36, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, you meant the one I just blocked? Sorry, I might have known. Bishonen | talk 20:30, 6 July 2014 (UTC).

Gente Totalmente Dispuesta (es:GTD Group) seems to be principally a business ISP; VTR Broadband (VTR (telecom company)) seems to have a strong presence in the home market. There's a reasonable chance you got both locations, unless the Chile vandal has figured out how to edit with a mobile phone. If so, could you ask him to explain it to me before you block him? --RexxS (talk) 21:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Editing on a mobile phone is hopeless, but many modern smartphones can be configured to serve as a wireless hub, letting you surf on a laptop, using the Internet connection of the mobile phone. And it's easy to configure, all you need to do is to read the phone manual and then tick a box in the settings on the phone (that's what I did on my Samsung). Thomas.W ^talk 21:11, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

All you need to do is read the phone manual?? [Still trying to get past the first page on her Samsung tablet manual.] But yes, editing on a touchscreen is indeed hopeless. Bishonen | talk 21:17, 6 July 2014 (UTC).

I've got myself a tablet too, but since I'm not particularly fond of on-screen keyboards I got a tablet with a keyboard dock that turns it into a 10" midget laptop. I hardly ever use it for anything that requires typing, though. Thomas.W ^talk 21:24, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It might be better to take your info and request to the ANI thread for more eyes, RexxS. Bishonen | talk 21:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC).

Aaargh, no, not the drahmah boards - what did I do to deserve that? Thanks for the tip, Thomas; unfortunately, here in the UK some of our mobile ISPs (I'd better not mention my old mobile provider) don't allow you to use your phone for tethering. --RexxS (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

How would they be able to tell? The only way to tell would be if they were packet-sniffing, looking for the identification tag of your web browser, indicating a desktop/laptop version of the browser (I'm typing this on my 10" "midget laptop" using Chrome for Android and tethering, with the web browser set to show the desktop version of WP and not the mobile version...). --Thomas.W.mobile ^talk 21:36, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh they know, I assure you. Here's a typical tethering policy that forbids tethering on unlimited data plans, and clearly shows that they look for it. Another mobile data provider that I won't name forbids any tethering at all. It may be worth checking your own T&C. --RexxS (talk) 22:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Bishonen. We've got a problematic IP hopper originating from Zapata, Texas. He has repeatedly added the May I Have a Word episodes? to the List of WordGirl episodes article, but it is unsourced, and has added the May I Have a Word critics into film articles ([16], [17]). I consider the IP's edits as problematic. Can you please do something about this? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:11, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

My lord, do you think you could ask another admin, please? I find those kinds of articles/lists, including their sourcing, so impenetrable. It's almost like asking me to handle a footballer article. (I avoid those even at RFPP, I'm afraid.) Sorry. Bishonen | talk 20:35, 6 July 2014 (UTC).

I'll go ask around and see what can be done. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:40, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

The user I1990k is a

I'm looking into it, and will respond on

WP:AN3 soon. Bishonen | talk

23:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC).

Thank you for your co operation. Khazar (talk) 23:03, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, User:Ezzex badly behave in

Admins are talking to the user at User talk:Ezzex and I added a formal discretionary sanctions notification. There should be no need to take any further action at the moment. I'm replying because Bishonen is on a wikibreak (see the message at the top of this page). Johnuniq (talk) 00:18, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Johnuniq for your prompt action. --Anton^Talk 01:50, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello again, Bishonen. Please note this. The IP was blocked for one week for the very same edit. Regards.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 16:37, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Now there is an other IP address but its most likely the same person vandalizing my talk page.--Uishaki (talk) 23:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure it is the same person. I've semi'd your talkpage as well. Going to bed now, folks. Bishonen | talk 23:33, 13 July 2014 (UTC).

Please note that I've reported the IP at

WP:ANI.--Jetstreamer ^Talk

00:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

This one is funny, though I couldn't find enough material to support sticking it in his article. And COULD TEENAGE SEX TAX THE QUEEN? Drmies (talk) 18:43, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

It's only funny if you don't live in the country where he was Home Secretary. --RexxS (talk) 20:11, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

I tried the headline generator (getting "ARE CHAVS TURNING YOUR PETS GAY?" on my first try) but it wasn't particularly funny, maybe because the headlines you see every day in the UK make no more sense than the ones from the generator. Thomas.W ^talk 20:33, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

It's a little disappointing that there's nothing about Sitush in that generator. Still, and while it doesn't cause cancer, the genuine headline in re the political leaders meeting at the memorial service for Nelson Mandela remains very nice: Obama and Castro agree on same-sex marriage. Perhaps from CNN. User:Tony1 showed it to me. Bishonen | talk 13:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC).

Amazingly, perhaps, this recent effort is the first time I can recall being called a Nazi. I do believe that Mr Blunkett was referred to in similar terms on a few occasions and, given that he is older than me, I may yet catch him up. - Sitush (talk) 00:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the problems continue at Chauhan. Most recently, it is Kggochar (talk · contribs), who has just yet again changed the article despite what the sources say and despite not offering a source that demonstrates an alternate opinion. I left them a sanctions warning here a couple of days ago because they've been making similar unsourced/anti-source pro-Gurjar edits on and off for months now and have shown no sign of discussing them except for a few minutes in January.

Could you perhaps fire a shot across their bows? - Sitush (talk) 20:08, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it, but note that their last edit so far was made just after your warning + general sanctions template. In other words, they could easily have made the edit, and only then seen the warning (through getting an alert). So, I don't think I should do anything right now, but one more of the same and (if I'm around for it) they'll get a guided missile across the bows. Incidentally, do you take this user to be related to you-know-who? Considering they have been editing since September, perhaps not? Bishonen | talk 20:47, 18 July 2014 (UTC).

That is a very fair point re: timings. I'm sure that it won't make any difference in the long run but it is the right call. I wondered whether there was a connection but the range of articles is much smaller. We get spates of these Gurjar/Gujjar claims from time to time across a big swathe of subjects; sometimes they're obviously socks, more often I think they're meatpuppets inspired by a call to arms on web forums dedicated to that caste. This one may even be flying solo. Me? I wouldn't know a Gurjar from a goujon and really couldn't care less provided that they're following the sources and the policies. - Sitush (talk) 20:56, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah.. now that they've continued, I've posted a warning. Not nuclear at all, but the user's technical incompetence touched me (and also made it, for me, impossible to tell what s/he was talking about). But it is a warning. I'm going to bed now; perhaps it'll resolve itself, through some other admin, in the night. If not, I'll be as good as my word, and block next time. Bishonen | talk 23:05, 18 July 2014 (UTC).

I can live with the technical incompetence and you'll note that I've done some mild refactoring of talk page comments - indents etc. It is the underlying mission that concerns me. While their sources thus far are useless vis-a-vis what they wish to support, I'll take yet another look at the general issue when I have a moment. Right now, that has caused me to divert to Irawati Karve, whose article was poor and who just perhaps was one of those eugenicist types who favoured the viewpoint. I'll wrap that one up and see what else I can find. I'm beginning to wonder whether a lot of these caste articles need a Historiography section where we can dump the indubitable nonsenses of the Raj era. And by pure coincidence, given my immediately previous in the section above, Karve studied for her PhD at an institute in Germany that was a centre for Nazi eugenics! - Sitush (talk) 00:43, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Do you want more to add to your collection. If so then check this. Thomas.W ^talk 21:38, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Nom nom. Bishonen | talk 21:51, 19 July 2014 (UTC).

...leave these hens here.
Peter ^Isotalo 20:09, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Aha, the excellent new Swedish pronoun höns? Fine critters, very motherly-looking! There should be one in every cookpot! (Am I quoting Marie Antoinette? Perhaps not.) Bishonen | talk 20:41, 20 July 2014 (UTC).

Kokt höna med currysås och ris är gott. Boiled hen with rice and curry sauce. Nom nom. Thomas.W ^talk 20:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

So you say, and indeed it is. But do you realise Google Translate thinks "kokt höna" can appropriately be rendered as "boiled chicken"? Can you fathom that there exists on earth a language so primitive as not to honour the (culinarily) essential distinction between tough old hens (a gourmet treat if boiled long enough, not to mention producing the world's best bouillon) and their tender but boring and flavourless immature offspring? How can a language that mashes the two together have become the global default? The

Untergang des Abendlandes is upon us! Bishonen | talk

21:11, 20 July 2014 (UTC).

English is a primitive language in many ways, in spite of its claimed exceptionally large vocabulary. In my opinion Swedish is a more precise language than English, in the sense that it's easier to express nuances, in all its meanings, in Swedish than in English. At the expense of Swedish being a grammatically and syntactically more complex language than English. IMHO and so on. Thomas.W ^talk 21:23, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Hallo Bishonen
after your educational intervention on User Kutsuit at

OK, I'll look into it, but it'll have to be a bit later. Bishonen | talk 08:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC).

Thanks a lot

Turkish Language, where I have removed a non pertinent reference explaining the reason on the edit comment, and she reverted me writing that the reference is "important". Alex2006 (talk

) 09:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

That looked a bit worse than I expected. I've just taken some action. Bishonen | talk 09:10, 24 July 2014 (UTC).

Thanks a lot! So much energy of so many people wasted, which could be devoted to make wikipedia better... :-( Alex2006 (talk) 09:14, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Bishonen -

I saw your exchange with Binksternet after he put indefinite semi-protection on Good Luck Flag, and I just wanted to weigh in to say that IP 114.31.218.104 has continued to revert and to engage in personal attacks despite having twice been blocked, once for 24 hours and again for 60 hours. So I don't think that the latest block will be effective beyond its one-month duration. The personal attacks are especially worrisome and really do need to be prevented permanently, which I assumed the page protection would in fact accomplish. But would repeatedly blocking the IP be better? I don't know enough about Wikipedia policy to figure this out, so I'd greatly appreciate knowing your rationale for blocking instead of protecting. Many thanks! Ailemadrah (talk) 05:53, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, we often try to prevent abuse, but it's hardly ever possible to do so permanently..! But we try particularly hard with biographies of living people. Yes, I think repeatedly blocking the IP is better than repeatedly semiprotecting the article. Semi probably couldn't have been made longer than one month anyway, in view of the page's (modest) protection history,[18] and I'd rather not swat away all IPs and new users because one static IP is being disruptive. It's different when disruption is coming in from dynamic IPs, which is actually a more common case. If the person pops back up after the one month (but I find people often get bored and move on after a longish block), they can then be blocked for, say, six months, and so on. If something else happens during the block, such as for instance this person discovers how to change their IP, then I will certainly semi. (Please let me know if I should miss it.) Binksternet, incidentally, isn't an admin; I only intervened because I knew Bink couldn't protect or block himself. What he told you was that he would request protection, and he did, on this page, where I also replied. I understand your concern, but I don't think you need to worry too much. Feel free to ask again if there's anything else you're wondering about. Bishonen | talk 08:10, 24 July 2014 (UTC).

Thank you! This makes perfect sense, and I very much appreciate your willingness to answer further questions. Ailemadrah (talk) 16:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Bish. Could you please take a look at

The failure to get consensus for their change has now made the editor totally losing it, accusing me and editor RhinoMind of being the same person, claiming that I POV-push for the term "the British Isles" on other articles too (which I have of course never done), and so on. When all I have done is defend a version of the intro that has existed for a very long time, and that there is no consensus for changing. Thomas.W ^talk 21:21, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, no time. Talkpage stalkers ahoy? Bishonen | talk 21:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC).

Replied on your page. Bishonen | talk 08:40, 25 July 2014 (UTC).

I believe we have a

competence problem... Thomas.W ^talk

15:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm usually the guy who empties the standard external e-mailbox, but I haven't seen anything. Then again, it's been frightfully hot here, for days now, so maybe the report withered. Drmies (talk) 03:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I had to offer you a Kitten. Why you ask? Because of those awesome balloon pictures on your user page! I guess also for your good admin work on Wikipedia.

NathanWubs (talk) 17:31, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

[Bishonen tickles the kitten under the chin. It purrs.] Awwwww. Thank you! Bishonen | talk 19:53, 26 July 2014 (UTC).

... what the situation was with

Checking the article history, it comes back to me. 90.224.246.99, a static corporate IP, had been vandalising these articles all over the place, and is globally locked until Oct 2014. And for three years on sv. Compare my note here. When I discovered that, I blocked them for a year on en. 192.36.199.133 and their brother 192.36.199.130 who appears in the article history are also static IPs. Let me check, with my limited skills, if I can get in via port 80 or 81 (said she as if she had any idea what that meant, but I have a point-by-point manual from a nerd in my pocket).

No, I can't, so they're by my lights not obvious open proxies. But they're static, so if you think they're obviously disruptive, or obvious representatives of the globally locked 90.224.246.99 (though as you can see they're not in the same part of the country), you can block them for as long as you like. Or, better, just block their tiny range, 192.36.199.128/29. There are so many articles involved that semi would be a pretty boring option. Bishonen | talk 12:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC).

That would be my first ever rangeblock, not a career step I look forward to. So I'll continue to play whack-a-mole, I think, unless they do more outright vandalising (such as the talk-page blanking). It does serve as a useful reminder of where those actor articles are that I need to expand from sv. Thanks for the context. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:25, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

They are sometimes adding new text in poor English and with strange emphases (as in the past), but today are mainly removing maintenance templates and sometimes removing one project's template from article talk pages. I've just given them a Level 4 warning for the former; you or RHaworth may want to step in if they do it again. I'm rather hoping they stop with that. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

• My reservoir of credulity that this is not the same person is getting low now. I just deleted
  Talk:Stall-Erik And The Snapphanarna as a hoax - supposedly opened in 2020 - and will shortly tell them so. But now I see sv:Stall-Erik och snapphanarna, with 2015-20 as the projected opening date - more plausible but still unlikely. Feel free to undelete it and move it to article space if you think I was over-hasty, but it seems to me like the same kind of writing. I'm going to try simply explaining why I deleted it. Yngvadottir (talk
  ) 16:27, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

The long list of Swedish kändis-es is a tad hard to believe. I've dropped a query to someone I happen to know at Svensk Filmdatabas, the only source given, to ask whether or not

Svenska Filminstitutet guarantees the contents. If the database is more like a wiki where directors get to list who they've worked with, then it's not a reliable source. I'll get back to you. Bishonen | talk

17:37, 28 July 2014 (UTC).

I've also just zapped another recreation of Talk:Agaton Sax and the Byköpings Village Festival (the globally locked IP had been creating it with And The). It would be nice if someone else would create these articles, with a reference or two, but I'm not equipped to do so, and inclusionist though I am, I'm not sure every film ever made should have an article. Yngvadottir (talk) 06:36, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

• Yngvadottir, I've e-mailed with one of Svenska Filmdatabasen's reps, who's a friend of a friend and is also given as one of two people to phone here. And it seems to be legit. She, my contact, wrote the database page herself, after some critical analysis of the director's claims. And, thinking about it, those actors are the kind of people likely to google their own names now and then, and to blow up if they find them misused. (They're not all dead.:-)) As for the 2020 date: the director used to say it'd be ready in 2015, later changing it to 2020, so 2020 would be correct in the article. But, since you do "Swedish with dictionary" I can forward the info from the horse's mouth, if you like, with some more details and opinions about the film from this expert. (I wasn't thinking, or I'd have asked her to reply in English.) So I guess it should be undeleted. (And then maybe deleted again but with a non-notable rationale. A Swedish film scheduled for 2020? Wikipedia is not a chrystal ball.) The suspect IP only translated, they had nothing to do with writing the sv article, which I won't meddle with, since it's notable enough for domestic purposes IMO. Bishonen | talk 12:24, 29 July 2014 (UTC).

Thanks. As I say, I wish someone else would do these instead, with a ref. but I can't. I'm going to ask you to look at that deleted talk-page article, and the Agaton Sax film talk page article, and the rest of the IP's contribs and see whether you think we should be treating them as a blocked/banned user (that was my criterion for the Agaton Sax deletion). If there's still enough doubt, then I'd be happy to do that, or you may want to do so yourself, although the wording in the deleted article should probably be changed to future tense in that case before it's re-deleted. From my few dealings with the first IP, it seems the poorly translated English and heavy use of Swedish is part of the M.O., but it could just be a different film enthusiast ... Yngvadottir (talk) 14:42, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh god. I mean, sure. I'll look at it later. It's too hot. Bishonen | talk 18:44, 29 July 2014 (UTC).

Yeah it is here too, and Wikipedia seems to have gone mad the past day or two. Thanks. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:08, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Yngvadottir, still pretty hot, but I've recreated the talkpage article, moved it to article space, copyedited for comprehensibility (the incompetent use of tense tricked you into thinking it was a hoax), and added the source which is certified reliable. After all that, I'd feel a little mean if I immediately PRODded it for notability, but I really think that's what it needs (2020 is just too far in the future). I don't think the creator is the same as the globally locked IP, at least not with any certainty. Bishonen | talk 19:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC).

Many thanks. I'm relieved you don't think it's the same person; I was afraid it was looking increasingly that way. Now I don't have to be a total hard-ass. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• In response to your note - ugh. I looked, watchlisted, and looked again at the IP's talk page, and I'm back to thinking this is the same person. Unless there's a club involved. Maybe you should try repeating your message about sticking to the source in Swedish? Their English isn't great (though better than my Swedish would be, heh). Otherwise, it's looking to me as if they're now doing too much damage. Yngvadottir (talk) 11:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah. It doesn't really matter if it's the same person, they're doing too much damage whether or not, and are too unresponsive. I'm just typing up a strongly-worded warning. Bishonen | talk 11:44, 4 August 2014 (UTC).

• (talk page stalker) I know it's none of my business, but why hasn't someone blocked the IP long ago? Their talkpage shows that they were warned, using formal warning templates, three times on 21 July, a level-1 followed by two level-2s, then on 28 July they got five warnings, a level-2 followed by level 1 through 4, on 1 August they were warned twice, a level-3 followed by a level-2 (???), and so far today they have been given three templated warnings, levels 1 through 3, plus Bishonen's hand-written warning. That is 13 templated warnings over a period of two weeks, but still no block. On a static IP making repeated unconstructive/disruptive edits. Thomas.W ^talk 12:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• • I believe I'm involved. Also, creating articles on talk pages isn't a crime per se. If only they would do it well. That was why I asked whether Bishonen thought they might be the banned person. I don't like blocking and mass reverting, but it would be a clear guideline. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:09, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• • I'm still not sure they're the banned person, who was an obvious vandal. This edition is more incompetent and uncommunicative. They've been told how to create articles; persistently doing it wrong may well be done in good faith, Yngve's daughter (perhaps they simply never look at their talkpage), but it makes little difference. All the persistence and incompetence is now pointing one way: towards a block. I'll block the range 192.36.199.128/29 (which also contains their brother 192.36.199.130) for a couple of weeks next time, then for a couple of months, etc. Thomas, yes, it's static, and I tried to figure if it's an open proxy, per above. I wasn't able to determine it, but I retain a strong suspicion. I don't know how to do mass reverting, btw. Anybody? Bishonen | talk 13:30, 4 August 2014 (UTC).

• Here's a nifty little tool for you: http://www.ip-adress.com/Proxy_Checker/ . Enter an IP followed by a colon and the port you want to test. I tested ports 80 and 81 on the IP we're discussing, and it's not a proxy. Which my instinct/gut feeling already had told me since a) the IP leads to an ISP (Resilans AB) in Helsingborg, i.e. the country where the person behind the edits obviously lives (based on subject choice etc.), and b) the editor seems to be too young to be able to use a proxy. Thomas.W ^talk 14:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

The most thorough proxy check is the one that people will do for you at

WP:OP

. Post the IP address there and often somebody looks into it in a couple of days. Here are a couple more links that could be interesting:

• Global contributions from User:192.36.199.133. They are working on similar topics in all the languages I checked.
• IP's contributions on the French wikipedia, where they are now blocked one month for repeated creation of non-encylopedic articles.

If you suspect that a global block is justified, User:Tegel might be able to help. EdJohnston (talk) 15:23, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

A one month block, for lack of competence, will be long enough to keep the IP away from en-WP until school starts again in Sweden, and they have less time to spend on Wikipedia. Thomas.W ^talk 15:47, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

A schoolkid working at Resilans AB? Hmmm. I don't think they're necessarily so young. Anyway, thanks, EdJohnston, I've asked Tegel on Meta. Bishonen | talk 18:34, 4 August 2014 (UTC).

It's not a company computer at Resilans AB. Resilans do many things, including providing webhosting for others and being an internet service provider. As can be seen from that geolocation lookup (for the IP we're discussing) the ISP is Resilans AB, and the level under that is Cygate Group AB, who specialise in managing large networks, including stadsnät. And one of the stadsnät they manage is AFAIK the stadsnät in Helsingborg. A tracert to the IP from me also confirms that the last router before the unconstructive IP (192.36.199.130), i.e. what is currently the IP's gateway router, is registered to Cygate Group in Helsingborg (and the router before that, 193.108.5.251, is registered to Cygate in Stockholm). So the IP is an ordinary "retail customer" in the city net in Helsingborg. I worked with these things for many years, Bish. Thomas.W ^talk 19:47, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

So what are your thoughts about a possible relationship with the globally locked Kalle Stropp vandal, 90.224.246.99, who's 600 km from Helsingborg? Any way the same person could use both IPs? The individual may have moved, of course, but it's not ideal to have a card like that in the deck. Bishonen | talk 21:22, 4 August 2014 (UTC).

I haven't looked at similarities in edits etc, but will try to do that tomorrow. From a technical standpoint the only connection between the two IP's is that Cygate is a subsidiary of TeliaSonera, which is a very weak connection. They could have moved, though, but how do we prove that? A global block would have to be based on similarities in subject choice, editing style etc... Thomas.W ^talk 21:34, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Except that a global block of this guy wouldn't necessarily have to assume it's the same person (and I'm still not convinced it is). 192.36.199.133 could simply be blocked because they're persistently disruptive across many projects. We'll have to see how Tegel calls it. His meta talkpage is here, in case you want to add a comment there. Bishonen | talk 21:44, 4 August 2014 (UTC).

Update: Tegel has blocked 192.36.199.133 globally for three months. Suits us, I reckon. Bishonen | talk 21:51, 4 August 2014 (UTC).

Speaking of "Charlie Strap", is this an official translation? There are no reliable references for it in the articles. Googling draws blanks or just leads back to our own articles. So where does it come from?

Peter ^Isotalo 22:59, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

No, it's made-up. Fake. Compare LIBRIS: nothing in English or any other foreign language.[19] Thomas Funck wasn't Astrid Lindgren. God knows where it came from (I'm not about to go look, sorry), but I suspect the Kalle Stropp vandal made it up. 192.36.199.133, probably the same person, did that with

Stall-Erik And The Snapphanarna: made his own translation of the title. Here, you can see it being moved to the Swedish title, by User:Smetanahue. All that Charlie Strapp stuff should be moved as well, no doubt. And in the other language Wikipedias too... great, isn't it? Good catch, Peter. Bishonen | talk

23:34, 4 August 2014 (UTC).

Found one for 1991 film ("Flying High").[20] I figured it was a bit too good to be completely bogus. But doesn't seem to apply to the earlier films.

Peter ^Isotalo 00:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• [pokes head in after actually getting some sleep] I see. So now I should finally expand those actors. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

From extensive googling, stropp would seem to be a strop - a strip of leather used for sharpening razors - as in en rakkniv stropp. Does that sound right? They seem to derive from the the Latin stroppus (a thong or twisted belt), so I suppose the made-up translation could have been worse. I'm having trouble getting the image of a grasshopper in a thong out of my mind. --RexxS (talk) 14:59, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your research, but the translation couldn't have been much worse IMO. In the name Kalle Stropp, stropp is rather old-fashioned Swedish slang which means strop as in stroppy. (Modern kids including the Kalle Stropp vandal probably aren't aware of that sense, insofar as modern kids read or view this dated stuff at all.) Try Svenska Akademiens Ordbok, enter "stropp", scroll down to sense 4. Even though Kalle Stropp is the hero of the stories, the original sense of "liten person som är löjeväckande stram l. spänner sig på ett löjeväckande sätt" suits him well, especially the way he talks. No thong nuance. Bishonen | talk 15:23, 5 August 2014 (UTC).

Hi Bishonen, I've given this a lot of thought last night, so here goes... You and I have gotten off on the wrong foot a few months ago, and unfortunately things between us just deteriorated until the recent quarrels. I'm glad that you understand that I felt I was harassed by you for many months, and I also understand that you're trying to do your job as an administrator. The thing is, I'm usually not confrontational. In real life (i.e. outside Wikipedia) I'm a very happy-go-lucky person. I don't know what it is about this place but it always seems to bring out the worst in me, but I plan on changing that. Wikipedia is a very confrontational place, if you think about it. Edit wars and flame wars take place almost every second around here, so the environment is intimidating. Nevertheless, I understand where you're coming from. I shouldn't stoop down to the level of engaging in these kinds of antics/arguments and I shouldn't have viewed everyone as a potential threat. I'm sorry for hurting your feelings earlier, my dear, and I hope we can put this behind us once and for all. And from this day onward, I'm willing to learn from you. You have many more years of Wikipedia experience than I have, and I'll be willing to follow your footsteps. Anyway, have a nice day. :-) --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 13:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your olive branch, Nadia. But your situation on Wikipedia isn't so much dependent on your "relationship" (? do we have one? relationships are slow ripening fruit, as IIIraute said of friendship[21]) with an admin who's been trying to advise you, as on the way you act towards other users, all of them. I'm sure you're not like this in real life, as you say, and it's great to hear you acknowledge that Wikipedia — or perhaps the internet altogether? — brings out the worst in you. I read that as saying you want to turn over a new leaf, and to, well… work on your interaction style..? That's great, but why not start by mending bridges with the ordinary, non-admin editors you're in conflict with and whose Wikipedia experience you've quite frankly soured lately. By speaking of mending bridges, I'm not asking you to eat humble pie, merely to change your demeanour for the future. If you don't know who I'm referring to, have a think about it, research your own interactions on user talkpages, articles, and article talk. This has not been a matter of "getting off on the wrong foot" with me, still less of my "hurt feelings" (I don't have any). Happy editing, and I hope we get on like a house on fire in the future. Bishonen | talk 18:48, 29 July 2014 (UTC).

I've got something perking and would like to hear your views about it off-wiki, away from prying eyes. I'd appreciate it very much if you'd drop me an email at your convenience as a couple of people have suggested that I get in touch with you about it. [email protected] Best, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 22:50, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Sure. Done. Bishonen | talk 23:07, 29 July 2014 (UTC).

Last September I asked for help at

I've moved it back and left a note for the user. I'm frankly not sure which is the best name, but just moving it the way they did isn't the way. I've reverted the changes to capitalization in the article, too. Bishonen | talk 11:14, 30 July 2014 (UTC).

Thanks very much. As I pointed out in the previous discussion, Local Nature Reserve and National Nature Reserve are always shown capitalised in the sources, correctly in my view as they should be title case. The editor is changing National Nature Reserve and the lists for each county similarly. See Special:Contributions/Mauls. Dudley Miles (talk) 11:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just looking at that. Oh lord, the

Talk:National nature reserves in the United Kingdom, and links to it on the talkpages to the four subpages — England, Wales, etc. Please let me know if you need any admin moves going forward, if you get consensus (or indeed if you get no objections in say five days or so) for your versions. Bishonen | talk

11:26, 30 July 2014 (UTC).

proper nouns and that implies that generic titles like nature reserve should not be capitalised, although specific instances, such as the Ripple Nature Reserve will be. --RexxS (talk

) 17:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

In this case capitalisation is necessary for clarity, as well as being the usual style in sources. "Ripple Nature Reserve is a local nature reserve" does not signify that it is legally protected, whereas "Ripple Nature Reserve is a Local Nature Reserve" signifies that it has a specific legal status. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. --RexxS (talk) 19:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

heh. Begoon ^talk 21:24, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Sure. You too. :-) Bishonen | talk 21:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC).

Hi. Pending changes didn't work out. He persists. (see new developments here). RegardsRpo.castro (talk) 13:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Responded on ANI. Pending changes does work, after its own fashion: the persistence won't reach our readers. Bishonen | talk 15:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC).

Did you mean to block 85.245.57.166 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)? I see the block notice but not where a block is in place. —C.Fred (talk) 15:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, gee. Thanks, Fred. Bishonen | talk 16:41, 6 August 2014 (UTC).

I have worked to improve the Charlotte Perrelli article today. If you can find any further improvements, that would be appreciated! :)--BabbaQ (talk) 17:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Nice work, Babba. I've done a little copyedit on the first sections, maybe I'll return later. Bishonen | talk 19:19, 6 August 2014 (UTC).

Hey Bish,

• I have userfied the article into User:Sitush/Blitzkid. Please do whatever you want with it, when/if you don't need it let me know and I will delete it Alex Bakharev (talk) 06:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Alex, good call. Haven't seen you in a while! Bishonen | talk 09:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC).
    • • Hi, Bish. I got a mix of procrastination and a lot of commitments in real life. Thought about quitting but eventually settled on patrolling my 22K+ watchlist (your talk page included) and new Russia-related articles). Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
    • @Alex Bakharev: thanks for that. I've reviewed the userfied version and it can now be deleted. However, I cannot move the draft over to Blitzkid because the target has bee protected due to repeated recreations. The draft looks nothing like the deleted version and, while I'm expecting some sources to be challenged, it passes GNG. Can we unprotect, please? - Sitush (talk) 17:08, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
      • @Sitush: I have merged the histories of both articles, reviewed the draft and considered the notability proven. Being an old-timer (mostly active before the Draft process was designed) I still hope one reviewer in good standing is enough Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
        • @Alex Bakharev: Two reviewers in good standing, Alex. I'm not the creator of that thing: I just went there to review it and then made a few tweaks. All's well. Thanks very much for your help, and thanks Bish for allowing the usurpation of your talk page in this way. - Sitush (talk) 02:33, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
          • Thanks! Alex Bakharev (talk) 04:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
            • /me is pleased to note her page has the magic power to fix quite complicated situations without herself doing any of the work. :-) Bishonen | talk 08:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC).

Hi Bishonen. I noticed that you indefinitely banned User:Til Eulenspiegel in May for block evasion. It would appear that he has continued to evade the block by using ips, and may also in the process have created a new account. The following was originally posted by myself and User:AcidSnow on User:Bbb23's page, but I think as the original blocker of Til Eulenspiegel it's most germane here. Middayexpress (talk) 15:21, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I have greatly apresaited the help you provided me these past few months and I surely need it again. User Binghi Dad has made numerous personal attacks against me and user Middayexpress

He has:

1. Called my actions "dickish"[22]

2. Accused me of making attacks against Rastafaris and their beliefs.[23][24][25]

3. Accused Middayexpress of article ownership.[26]

4. Made character assassinations against me and Middayexpress.[27]

5. Accused me of putting my own interest and point of view in my edits.[28]

6. Accused me of threats.[29]

This user also has:

1. Refused to provide sources for his orginal research.[30]

2. A severe case of

WP:IDONTLIKEIT.[31][32]

3. A battleground mentality.[33][34]

4. Refused to read the policy's recommended to him to improve his attitude.

5. Put his own belief, point of view, and interest in his edits on Wikipedia.[35]

6. Most of all, has taken the dispute out on Wikpedia.[36] (see here for acknowledgment).

Despite being warned about his inappropriate behavior he has chosen to continue with it. I Anyways, if you need anything don't hesitate to leave a reply on my talk page! AcidSnow (talk) 02:35, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Besides the above, the Binghi Dad user in late July vandalized an admin's userpage on Wikitionary using an anonymous ip ("I wanna see you block a whole bunch more accounts, chickenshit boy" [37]). This was the same ip that he used to edit war a few days later on English Wikipedia's Sabir people page [38]. Additionally, one of his Sabir people dynamic ips was used to avoid 3RR on the Ethiopia page [39]. The user later also admitted to using that ip ("it was not misuse, I was logged out" [40]). Interestingly, his ip range is in the same Virgina geolocation as that of User:Til Eulenspiegel (as on the Geats page [41] [42]). Til Eulenspiegel was indefinitely banned in late May for block evasion via ips, and the new Binghi Dad account was registered a few days later in June. The new account also shares the same unusual assortment of interests as Til Eulenspiegel (specifically, Ethiopian, Native American, Rastafarian and Biblical affairs; one of Binghi Dad's ips intimated that he is Native American [43]). He has in turn alluded to Rastafarianism on the Amharic wiki project [44], where Til Eulenspiegel indicated that he is also a frequent contributor through his Codex Sinaiticus global username [45] [46]. The insistence that a particular phrase on Rastafarianism must be mentioned in the Ethiopia page's lede in particular stands out (viz. "[Ethiopia] is also the spiritual homeland of the Rastafari religious movement" [47] [48]). Middayexpress (talk) 15:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the belated reply,

checkuser I've consulted on IRC has also declared it unlikely. On the other hand, I agree they're being pretty disruptive. I've posted some advice on their page. Bishonen | talk

23:57, 12 August 2014 (UTC).

I see, well that was not what I was reporting anyways. Can you at lease do something about his personal attacks against me? AcidSnow (talk) 00:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Did you read my post on their page? I don't think most people would call it overly meek and mild, considering that this is a new user (at least we have to assume it is). In other words, I'm doing what I can to stop the personal attacks and other abuse. If the problematic editing continues, I'll speak more strongly next time. Did you expect me to block without warning? If you're displeased with the service you'd better try

WP:ANI next time. Bishonen | talk

00:33, 13 August 2014 (UTC).

I have read it after posting. As for being "warned", Midday and I both warned him about how this could lead to him being blocked. Instead of stopping he caused me of threatening him. So I am not really sure what an Admins warning would even do at that point. None the less, your post on his talk page will do for now. Thank you. AcidSnow (talk) 01:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

User_talk:Sitush#Quack.2C_quack.3F And I'm surprised Bishzilla hasn't eaten the hamsters yet. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Bishonen, I have always associated your name with justice, with fairness, with anti-bullying, and with protecting weaker and more vulnerable users. So I am quite surprised to see you apparently defending some questionable language on NYB's talk page. Maybe since, as I understand it, your first language is Swedish, you don't understand the power for harm some words can have for native speakers of English.

Sweden may be a quiet and uneventful place, but in the English-speaking world, cultural and ethnic groups that do not defend their right to be treated with respect may quickly find themselves on the receiving end of domestic, homophobic, or other physical violence. Objecting to racist, misogynistic, and homophobic language is not being "too invested". On the contrary, it is the person who does not have any objection whose ethnics need to be examined.

Let me be clear: the specific edit I am objecting to is here. While this edit contains much that is vulgar and offensive, the most serious objection to it that it contains racial and ethnic slurs that foster a climate of hatred and prejudice, in this case specifically against blacks, women, and gays. While I am not naive enough to think that it is possible to control people's prejudices, or to expect anything even approaching professionalism in a venue like this, Wikipedia policy on No personal attacks is very clear: "Racial, sexist, homophobic, transphobic,...epithets (such as against people with disabilities) directed against another contributor, or against a group of contributors" are "never acceptable". To me it is rather begging the question to say the epithets do not rise to the level of insulting a "group of contributors" because blacks, women, and gays have the option of escaping harassment merely by concealing their identities.

A couple other things. It is not reasonable for Hell in a Bucket to expect people to constantly google his name when they are reading a thread, as he suggests on NYB's talk page, or to remember every obscure album the Dead ever produced. This is just a weird expectation. For him to accuse everyone who does not google his name of "poor judgement" is really over the top, not to mention lacking in the AGF he is so fond of bandying about. Has he googled *my* name? Even EatsShootsAndLeaves, who has a much less threatening name, has an explanation on his user page for those who do not automatically recognize Lynne Truss.

If you think encouraging Hell in a Bucket to be a better person is a sign of mental illness, why don't you take over and mentor him? Look what he says on the ANI thread: "Yes I'm aware I'm not perfect and yes I'm sure a more level headed person could have phrased it differently but I'm not now nor ever will I be an administrator so I will have to deal with being a "low life" with no expectation of respect and be true to who I am and let the people here who want to live in fantasy castles in the cloud where everything is perfect fix the world on wikipedia." Did you catch that? "No expectation of respect". That's really sad. And he thinks that's "who I am", and that he has to accept being called a "low life". In all fairness Baseball Bugs did try to help him out, and probably did a better job of it than I could have done, but the guy is stumbling badly, and en.wp has nothing for someone like that. There should be some essays or something about how to avoid patronizing language, for example.

I have also noticed you defending some questionable actions by people who should know better, and who I thought were decent people, but lately have really disappointed me. I'm not going to mention their names here, but perhaps you could think of talking to them quietly and getting them to moderate their language. It's a pity but even the WMF does not seem to care what kind of provocative words are used. I know that Russavia is not exactly part of English Wikipedia at this point, but if you notice here, he pretty obviously drops the c-bomb, right on the Wikimedia-l pipermail list, and no one even says boo. It's like the WMF totally buys into the idea of comparing someone to a woman to express how revolting and despicable they are. This is doubly ridiculous when you consider that only a few months ago, Wil Sinclair was run rather roughshod over on the same list for posting too many times. Imagine that, you can post whatever misogynistic trash you want, but as soon as you start creeping up to your so-called word limit, they start to talk banning. Wikipedia is now even worse than Wikipediocracy, where the c-word has now been officially replaced by "female urethra".

Bish, I'm sure you know that not everyone appreciates your, um, footwear collection, but I have been proud to ivote for them publicly and defend them privately. In the past, we have agreed on some things, and will probably agree on some things in the future. But there is no way I can go along with the current path you seem to be starting down. I hope you consider well your direction.

Hm, for your poetry corner, have you considered an American perspective, perhaps a little Countee Cullen? Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 06:54, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, one thing I forgot, User Hell in a Bucket keeps posting the most vulgar meaning for the abbreviation "GFY". I have provided him a link with the definition...according to this it means either "government fiscal year" or "good for you", and since I used it in reverting yet another obnoxious template someone left on my talk page, you can guess which one I meant. But even though he refused to discuss it with me at his talk page, he has been all over NYB's talk page and ANI, with a most tasteless definition. I do believe he enjoys posting my name together with the f-word. —N 07:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Keep drinking the kool aid Neotarf. Bishonen you may wish to see this as Neotarf has decided to involve you further [[49]]

talk

) 08:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Hi, Neotarf. I don't understand how you can think I said or implied on NYB's page that encouraging Hell in a Bucket to be a better person is a sign of mental illness. I don't know what to say. As a native speaker, you condescend to my inferior sense of cultural nuance in the English language and to my uneventful ethnicity, but that wasn't even a matter of nuance, it was saying something completely utterly different. Yes, I did accuse you of passive-aggressive behaviour in talking about "encouraging Hell in a Bucket to be a better person". No, you talked about mental illness, I complained that in doing so you changed the subject. The article
  passive aggressive makes a distinction between the behaviour and the psychiatric condition and so did I. You've read my short NYB post (carefully, I assume), but for the sake of the talkpage stalkers I'll link here to your post that I responded to and to my response. In the unlikely event that anybody cares. Most of us have had more than enough of the issue. Hell in a Bucket, I advise both of you to bow out gracefully, to just stop posting about it, anywhere. You're boring the audience. Bishonen | talk
  10:37, 12 August 2014 (UTC).

pictures are better, --incredibly toxic personality --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I just learned that I'm a drunk antisemite, though the latter possibly unbeknownst to myself. Drmies (talk) 04:48, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the club. Are you also interested in becoming a collector of fine indignities and epithets? —Psychonaut (talk) 06:52, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

• Well, Drmies, you did give him a newbie welcome (after one of those diffs, but before the other). Not nice, though I don't know much about the history before that, except that, yes, I expect you do understand the Dutch language and history better than him. My favourite slur for an admin is this, lovingly enshrined on an earlier version of Black Kite's talkpage.

A very fine collection,

Augean stables with a teaspoon, to vary the metaphor). His collection would outdo you all, I bet, if he kept one. I made a kind of Sitush sampler here once, a complaint generator for the now deleted User:Bishonen/Clueless complaints about Sitush noticeboard, but I've stopped updating it. Bishonen | talk

12:02, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

The newbie template was for their EW template. Come on Bish, why should I rise above tit for tat? It's not like we get paid for this shit. Drmies (talk) 12:10, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Because a. historically, you're better than that, and b. an eye for an eye makes Wikipedia blind. NE Ent 12:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Ent. You're right (on b., that is.) But I'm not sure you know that you're talking to someone who introduces Nazi POV to Wikipedia articles. That's a heavy straw for one old camel. Drmies (talk) 13:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

I met User:RexxS the other day. We agree. You're the best. Though, I think my devotion to you is deeper and more enduring. He seems a little fickle to me. --Anthonyhcole, Esq. (talk · contribs · email) 08:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, ça s'explique: he has met me and you haven't. Preserve the mystery, Anthony, and thanks. Bishonen | talk 14:47, 13 August 2014 (UTC).

Even if your in-person shortcomings are half as significant as RexxS made them out to be in his caring and sympathetic description, it wouldn't diminish you an iota in my esteem. Yours, Anthonyhcole, Esq. (talk · contribs · email) 16:51, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Shortcomings? What shortcomings? I know of no shortcomings. John Carter (talk) 17:47, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• I'm sure that she has no shortcomings either - apart from those which I think it best I don't mention - I do hate those who repeat unpleasant gossip. Sadly, Antoine le Cole has have never met me otherwise I'm sure he would be equally devoted to moi - if not more so. One can't deny that sweet, little Mrs Bishonen certainly has some good qualities, and very admirable they are too...in their own way. Furthermore, I'm quite sure that when our esteemed Mr Wales called her "toxic", he meant it in the nicest possible way, but one can't help having a lingering doubt about her, can one? When he and I were dining (a deux) at the Savoy Grill last week (Mrs Risker was lurking enviously and sick as a parrot on the balcony having escaped from Clerkenwell - poor Jimmy all these women chasing him) I was very impressed by his commitment to civility and good manners. I explained to him, that it was totally unnecessary to give me a full court curtsy each time he left the table for the lavatory (I do hope his prostate's in good health), but being American and humble he was keen to do so - I think that's rather nice and shows a great understanding of civility - it quite caused the Archbishop of Canterbury (another admirer of mine and dining at the next table) to have apoplexy, but then then he went to Eton and understands these things. However, I'm digressing: I so very much wish that I could have presided over Wikimania, but it was out of town, and worse still out of town in August - you must have found London frightfully deserted; I just hope you weren't all too lonely. Should you and dear, handsome Rex require a signed photograph of myself, you have only to ask - I doubt Mrs Bishonen needs to keep a supply of such artifacts. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 17:57, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

My Lady: we haven't been formally introduced but I've been a great admirer for some time. I wonder if you would consider offering me a signed photo. I would treasure it, and place it in one of the more central circles of my Bishonen shrine. Your servant, always, Anthonyhcole, Esq. (talk · contribs · email) 08:56, 16 August 2014‎

Hahahahaha, his Bishonen shrine. Did you see that, m'lady? This is the guy who calls me "goddess" (at least when he asks me to give him template editor rights). Does he call you goddess? Didn't think so. I wanted to say this to you discreetly by e-mail, but since in your charming pre-war way you don't have e-mail enabled, it'll have to be here. Bishonen | talk 09:31, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

• Jimbo called Bish toxic? Really? It would seem, then, that he is heading well along the road to viewing everyone here to be toxic personalities. Perhaps he wants the place to himself, being the significant contributor to article content that he is. One wonders whether he could find it in him to demonstrate a little "more honor". - Sitush (talk) 15:59, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• (Proudly) I am the original toxic personality, all others are imitations, as Iridescent acknowledged recently on his page.

There seems to be a bit of a drift towards assuming Eric is the biggest and best toxic personality. Bah, no. I took Jimbo to ArbCom over it in 2009. Well, over that and a short block. Didn't I link you to the private discussion page between me and Jimbo about toxic personalities, Sitush? As an example for you. Well, not really, but kind of. Bishonen | talk 16:49, 15 August 2014 (UTC).

• I doubt that Jimbo's remark was a reference to the demure and seemly Bishonen--I suspect he is still a bit disenchanted with Wikipedia after that unfortunate Pricasso business. You have to admit that was rather lacking in decorum, even for an Australian. —Neotarf (talk) 16:55, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• Was disenchanted (or heading down that road per Sitush) years ago (five years). ---Sluzzelin talk 17:05, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I put my view of Jimbo on Eric's page, reproducing same here--Wehwalt (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

(Jimbo:)
As of course I do not worry that some content must be found,
I've got a little list — I've got a little list
Of civility offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances though content they may write —
Say all sort of naughty words, and who just may who knows be tight
But at peer review do dominate, though saying words like "twat"—
And get articles through FAC, and little things like that —
But in spite of all of this, to say “fuck” they do insist —
They'd none of 'em be missed — they'd none of 'em be missed!

(Chorus of WMF sycophants:)
He's got 'em on the list — he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed — they'll none of 'em be missed.

(Jimbo:)
And although I don't write content, and could sink without a trace,
At least this is the gist — Put Eric on the list!
He's of course a bit annoying, and can get some in your face,
He never would be missed — he never would be missed!
In my speech I've just applauded, with enthusiastic tone,
How the 'pedia is trusted, in every country, and my own;
Though it oddly has escaped me, to ask the question "Why,
Is it that they trust articles, and rate them rather high?";
It's that singular anomaly, the content specialist! —
Somehow he won't be missed — I'm sure he'd not be missed!

(Chorus:)
He's got him on the list — he's got him on the list;
And I don't think he'll be missed — I'm sure he'll not be missed!

(Jimbo:)
To get articles deleted, like the one about my wife,
I try and do insist — I've got that on the list!
All funny fellows, content men, who have a little strife —
I've got them on the list — they'd none of 'em be missed.
And although I make a living with "God-King" speeches to the folk,
I won't let others earn a farthing, for unpaid must be the Volk.
Wikipedia is trusted, though sometimes when I feel blue —
I realise that others say, "It's not because of you!"
So I think it doesn't matter who you put upon the list,
For they'd none of 'em be missed — no one knows that they exist!

(Chorus:)
You may put 'em on the list — you may put 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed — for none of them exist!

source = Jimbo Wales, following his closing speech to Wikimania 2014

Fashions and fads change, so I think I'd currently head you in a list of most toxic personalities according to Jumbo Wales even though you do have the advantage over me of being able to block his holiness. God, how I'd love to do that! Eric Corbett 17:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

You did, Bish. The "toxic" bit just must not have registered when I read it. I'm not quite sure why all the then members of the Greater Manchester Project were included in Iridescent's list - that's a scary number of people. Still, when the person calling people "toxic" is also (hopelessly) aiming for loved-up civility there is definitely a case of pot and kettle. - Sitush (talk) 17:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The GM project people, of which there are still quite a few around, valued truth, plain speaking and results over hippie idealism. Not worthy members of the body in other words, to be shunned. Eric Corbett 17:38, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

One can't help wondering how much air-space poor Jimbo's speech would have obtained had he not mentioned the "toxic" ones. Really it was quite a clever thing to do; one can't help wondering if he were advised by a professional spin doctor, but I'm sure our beloved monarch would never associate with such an "uncivil" [51] [52] person. Perish the thought; if Jimbo were to come withing a hundred meters of such a person, he would be scuttling back to narrow, lower-middle-class America on the next available plane - would't he? Well perhaps not. Whatever, should we not just accept Jimbo's speech for what it was, and not dignify it, and give it further publicity, by commenting on it. Personally, I would rather be "toxic" and have a bit of life about me, than be some nerd whose only claim to fame is a tombstone saying "He was polite." and so would most sane people. So sod off Jimbo and let those that want to write this bloody project continue to do so - you just stand their and try and claim the credit - we are happy for you to so, but just shut the fuck up while we are doing so. None of us are perfect, we all have some dirty laundry that doesn't need airing - so let's live and let live. Giano (talk) 21:15, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Drifting off topic I know, but one final thought. Apparently there were something like 2000 attendees at Wikimania 2014, but there are only 3000 active editors on the English Wikipedia. So are we really supposed to believe that Jimbo's standing ovation came from two-thirds of the active en-WP editors, as seems to being implied by some? Has Jimbo identified toxic personalities on other language Wikipedias such as the French, German or Greek? Does anyone in the WMF have even the vaguest idea what's happening on the Greek Wikipedia anyway, if anything? Is incivility a problem on the Armenian Wikipedia? How come the French Wikipedia can make do with with only three pillars whereas en-wp needs five? Why, in front of an international audience, did Jimbo try to pretend that a possible problem with en-wp was endemic across every language version? So many questions, so few answers. Eric Corbett 21:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Eric Corbett: I raised a not dis-similar point at Talk:Gender bias on Wikipedia recently, before deciding that it was best to retire before the militant feminists really got to me. There are/were (not looked since) citations to various sources that referred to "Wikipedia" but did not specify whether they were referring to the entirety of WMF-hosted 'pedias or just to the English-language version. I also suggested that, for example, the gender gap for any of the Indic-language WPs would be much greater than for the English one. I could expand on that last sentence but, hopefully, it is common sense to most informed people, who are the sort that tend to frequent talk pages such as this.

It is bollocks, it really is, and the daft thing is that all these people who cite systemic bias - including Gardner, Wales etc - are almost certainly citing English language-centric studies and, probably, mostly US-centric studies. I couldn't be bothered trying to prove it but the lack of specificity in the sources seemed a pretty clear indicator to me. - Sitush (talk) 01:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. And what's also noticeable is the lack of a far more important pillar than civility:

WP:HONESTY, which explains a great deal. Eric Corbett

01:40, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

• Sitush, when you make a sentence with the word "feminist" in it you frequently sound like some of those students that have complained to various deans and heads about me. It's common sense to me that those who complain that supposed penis bearers like Eric are chasing off women editors don't have a clue, but that doesn't mean that there isn't systemic bias, lack of coverage, and possibly a mildly testosterone-flavored atmosphere. We can solve that, of course, by (respectively) citing not just the 1911 Brittanica but by including the most recent and up-to-date scholarship we can find, by constantly thinking about what else we can do and what obvious subjects we're missing, by being--dare I say it--civil. (And by "civility" I don't mean "not saying the f-word", though that's maybe part of it.) I don't see the need for moral ambitiousness, but I also don't see why we would deny that Wikipedia is just like the rest of the world--catching up slowly. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
• I forgot to state that Bish is, of course, awesome. And with "f-word" I meant "fuck", not "feminism". Drmies (talk) 01:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

  That there's some systemic bias has never been in dispute as far as I'm aware, the dispute surrounds what that bias is. It's always seemed extraordinary to me for instance that en-wp is lambasted for its insufficient coverage of let's say Armenian topics, while at the same time the WMF is trying to promote the development of an Armenian WP, which is where you'd expect to find in-depth coverage of Armenian topics. But there's some very muddled thinking in evidence here. The first point to make is that the overwhelming majority of local language WPs are tiny and/or moribund. The second is that the criticism only makes sense within a mind set that supposes the English Wikipedia is the one that ought to contain "the sum of all human knowledge". Eric Corbett 02:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Systemic bias isn't in dispute. Or, at least, I've never come across anyone who disputes it. But these campaigning-type people - the really vocal ones, some of whom are indeed active off-wiki in similar campaigns - are mostly going around yelling and screaming but not actually doing much else.

I go fix articles on any subject that takes my fancy and that has included a fair number of biographies about women, which are supposedly under-represented. Eric does the same; I'm sure that you, Drmies, and many others do also. But people like CMDC spend 70% of their time arguing and campaigning outside mainspace and when they are in mainspace it is not so much gender-related general content that they edit (which would make sense, given their concerns) but rather "hot" topics - gun control, Palestine, libertarianism and, yep, the political aspects of feminism. They're using Wikipedia as an extension of their outside activities and, no, I don't like it. I've seen enough flavour-of-the-day rent-a-mobs in real life without having them wandering round in a pack here, too. - Sitush (talk) 15:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

What's irritating about this isn't purely that Jimbo rates "civility" so highly but that he's publicly basically saying that editors who've contributed thousands of times the content to the encyclopedia out of their own good will than he has should just bugger off. Wikipedia is desperate for decent contributors and at the end of the day we're an encyclopedia and our readers care little for what goes on behind the scenes. That he rates civility over content and even has the audacity to criticize anybody who has added a wealth of content to the website for free I think is a kick in the teeth. I think it just goes to show how little he is really aware of what people do on the site and what is more important. It's not his place to say that sort of thing, I don't care if he sees himself as a God-King or not. He should not be trash talking anybody who has contributed to the project, regardless of what he thinks of the way they behave.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

All true, but what's kafkaesque is to impose more civility (kindness ... compassion) by saying something that seems uncivil to me, lacking respect for editors even. 2009, really? And nothing learned since? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:45, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Gerda. I followed your link to Nikkimaria's post on your page, and then followed her link to that old page. I've linked to it myself quite recently, for Sitush, but I haven't actually read it for oh... about five years, and it was kind of embarrassing. I'm amazed at myself, and ashamed too, at having wasted so much time and energy on trying to argue with such a non-receptive interlocutor, such a teflon man. It makes me look ridiculous. I must have been foolishly optimistic about the power of argument and reason in 2009. I'm glad to report that optimism has passed. Gone. As if it never was. Saves a lot of time. Bishonen | talk 16:35, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

You handled that very well, I thought. Jimmy looked ridiculous, not you. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 06:59, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

So, are you all telling me that while I went away on wikibreak (a very relaxing one, I might add), Jimbo expounded some "great wisdom" somewhere and I totally missed all of it? Dang, I can't go anywhere these days. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Expounded it to great applause at Wikimania in London recently, little Heim. Here's a text version that includes a cogent comment by Randy from Boise. Lot of discussion on User talk:Iridescent, with a fine comment by Giano about clapping seals.[53] There, now you're all up to date and can unrelax yourself with my links. Bishonen | talk 15:02, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

Did you know that Afrikaans for "elephant trunk" is olifantslurp?

Peter ^Isotalo 20:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hehe, cool. But does Agave attenuata look like an elephant's slurp to you? Odd name for it. Bishonen | talk 21:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC).

Aha! "Sometimes known as the "lion's tail," "swan's neck," or "foxtail" for its development of a curved stem". Got it. Bishonen | talk 21:02, 13 August 2014 (UTC).

Sluuuuurp! Just keep saying it. It only gets better.

Peter ^Isotalo 21:18, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Ahem, sorry. I hate to interrupt, but, ahem, the Dutch is funnier: slurf. It is one of the silliest words we have, and we have some silly ones. Of course the Germans have the word "Schlumpf", but that's not really funny, since one can't make jokes in German(y). Drmies (talk) 01:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
• OK, that was unfair: the Germans have a funny word--"Schmiere". Ask Huon to come by and record the sound file. And even the word's syntax is funny--"Schmiere stehen". Hilarious! Drmies (talk) 01:29, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Bish. I know there's a template to slap on the talk page of caste warriors, but is there a similar template (or even ARBCOM sanctions) for religiously motivated POV-pushing on articles relating to India? I found a new "religion warrior" today (Rainyday007, sample edits: #1, #2, #3), making unsourced edits on a large number of articles, inflating the numbers/percentage/share of Muslims in various locations in India, and would like to slap an ARBCOM template on their talk page too, in addition to the warnings up to and including level 4 that I've already given them. Thomas.W ^talk 12:57, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Yep, there's the attractively named {{subst:Ds/alert|topic=ipa}}. Never forgotten once heard, huh? It's not specific for religion articles, but for India, Pakistan and Afghanistan altogether. P.S., I keep my notes for that stuff here, it's not a bad place to check. Note especially my note about how they're liable to be obsolete in lists on WP pages. Unless that's been improved recently. Bishonen | talk 13:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC).

Thanks, now added to the user's talk page. Thomas.W ^talk 13:39, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Ready for a game of whack-a-mole? See this comment at Talk:Cheema. I'd previously explained the problems with their edit and someone else had also reverted them, so this time I just used rollback. Sometimes you just know that they are not going to listen. - Sitush (talk) 10:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Not ready until you give 'em the template, Sitush, sorry. {{subst:Uw-castewarning}}. Bishonen | talk 11:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

On second thoughts and a closer reading, blocked for two weeks. You'd better let me know if any articles need semi. (Though doesn't it sound more like an empty threat?) Bishonen | talk 12:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

Oh, yes. They will likely beggar about with a few IPs over the next few days and then get bored. That said, we have had some concerted campaigns in the past on caste articles, usually co-ordinated off-wiki by caste-based usergroups on Orkut etc. BTW, it is a bit pointless me templating an IP unless they are obviously online when I do it: this person has already used at least three different ones in a matter of days. - Sitush (talk) 12:05, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I see that you semi'd the thing while I was typing the note above. Thanks for that. Fancy weighing in with a comment at the last section on

Talk:Jat people, re: changing citation style? An edit war is brewing and it involves two relative newbies who are well-intentioned but misguided. - Sitush (talk

) 12:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I assume "beggar about" is a genteelism? What are you doing with it, Sitush? Don't forget to nurture your reputation for incivility. You see how, after being the great toxic personality, I've let myself slide into "demure and seemly"? (Only to users who haven't met me on IRC, I guess, but still.) Be warned by my example. Bishonen | talk 15:07, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

Beggar about, bugger about: to mess around with ;) - Sitush (talk) 15:11, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, gee. I know what it means. That wasn't the question. Bishonen | talk 15:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

Ah, in that case I'm a bit mystified regarding your question, sorry. I'm not having a good day: arguing with people all over this place, including socks, POV pushers, newbies, think-they-know-it-alls etc. I might go beggar about with a few pots and pans instead. (For which I have another use of "bugger": my standard recipe is "When it's brown, it's done; when it's black, it's buggered.") - Sitush (talk) 15:19, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

... and that's it. They've had a 3RR warning etc and I can't be bothered any more. - Sitush (talk) 15:22, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

When did Bish become a follower of Guru Jambheshwar? You're a

Bishnoi now? [54]  NQ  talk

16:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

What a puny "race to the bottom" this is. Does everyone not know which Wikipedian is the most toxic of all? Iä! Iä! Darwinbish fhtagn! And now that you don't have to be an abusive admin to run for ArbCom anymore, no one has to wait for the end of the late Devonian to vote for an arb who is truly on board with incivility. —Neotarf (talk) 14:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Joni Ernst (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
There seems to be some dispute over the

Please compare my comment here. This article is not something I'm inclined to become involved with, sorry. Bishonen | talk 13:29, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

OK, fair enough. (To be honest, I'd rather admins block the edit-warriors than lock the article, but I understand that that's more drama for you.) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 13:47, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

If you could be so kind as to watchlist Amanda Curtis, who was just nominated as a candidate for US Senate from Montana. CFredkin is there and I see he has a history of edit-warring. Am discussing an issue at article talk, we shall see. But I'd like someone with the mop on standby. Thanks. Montanabw^(talk) 00:14, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I just asked for it on RFP before you responded, but yes, two days if possible. Thank you.