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==Mahusha==
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Please take into the note that why this article does not have explanation about '''''modern periodic law''. [[User:Mahsuha|Mahusha]] ([[User Talk: Mahusha|talk]]) 16:19 18 March 2015
Please take into the note that why this article does not have explanation about '''''modern periodic law''.


== Please, do something about Barium ==
== Please, do something about Barium ==

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Mahusha

Please take into the note that why this article does not have explanation about modern periodic law.

Please, do something about Barium

Please, if possible, edit the Periodic table shown under the contents. In its natural form, Barium is a liquid, not a solid, and its atomic number should therefore be green, not black, which further confuses things. Please next time have a professional chemist go over/write articles related to the elements and chemistry. Please take this under consideration. Minecraftwizard (talk) 03:47, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We will, when it starts making sense. Meanwhile, read through barium and other related articles. Materialscientist (talk) 03:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Barium melts at 727 °C... Double sharp (talk) 03:59, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the editor has confused barium the element with the liquid "barium" you take when having an x-ray examination of your GI tract. Sandbh (talk) 09:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which brings up an interesting idea

The above request makes me think of a really neat novelty PT -- just

Sym and below the PT a widget to adjust standard conditions. The widget could be a slider bar (or two) showing the temperature (and maybe pressure), or just a set of radio buttons with the names of various locations. When the widgets are changed, the symbols would change color to indicate the physical state of the element in the adjusted standard conditions. It would go a long way to increasing the accessibility and usability of WP to others. Unfortunately, we probably don't have enough information about the 'primordialness' of various elements elsewhere in the universe, but that deficiency might be just enough to encourage someone to sign up and start editing. YBG (talk) 16:07, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply
]

But ... other intelligent life of course will have discovered the Elementary Periodicity, and so will have a headache/solution for the suggestion of periodicity in this one. YBG, can you compose a sequence message, to help them out? -DePiep (talk) 16:57, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Such composition skills are pretty weak here in YBG-land -- and the visual arts aren't any better. YBG (talk) 03:40, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No one currently has access to sources for other civilizations' formulations of the periodic table, so they could not be in the article yet. ;-) However, I really like the idea of sliders to adjust temperature and pressure – they let you present melting and boiling points without cluttering the table.
As for "primordialness": H–Mo, Ru–Nd, Sm–Bi, Th, and U must be primordial. These are all stable, or their longest-lived isotope has a half-life comparable to the age of the universe (209Bi, 1 billion times the age of the universe; 232Th, approximately the age of the universe; 238U, about 30% of the age of the universe). The others would depend on how recently their system formed after the supernovae created some of pretty much every nuclide. (If their system is old enough, primordial 244Pu – half-life about 0.6% the age of the universe – might not be present in large enough quantities there to be detected, although it just barely is on Earth!) Double sharp (talk) 13:28, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea how one would go about implementing the sliders ... It would be very difficult to have enough data to support two sliders (temperature and pressure). But a single temp slider would only require two data points (BP+MP) per element. But it would be much easier to have radio buttons for some select locations -- say each of the nine eight planets, the sun, deep space, and maybe a couple of really extreme locations. But then that opens up another wrinkle. Anybody wanna place odds on whether we could decide on the appropriate color for the fourth state of matter in less than 420 days? YBG (talk) 06:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
All we need are a set of phase diagrams! :-) Naturally, the rare radioactives would get (unknown).
The only primary colour left is blue, so we might as well use that for plasmas. But you would need really high temperatures for that colour to be useful.
Do you want the sun's surface, or the core? The core would make a fairly homogeneous but also not very interesting periodic table. The surface would make everything gaseous (or maybe plasma? I'm not sure) except W and Re which are still liquids – W b.p. 6203 K (5930 °C, 10706 °F), Re b.p. 5903 K (5630 °C, 10166 °F). I mentioned the Fahrenheit values because I'm pretty sure these are some of the only really useful appearances of five-digit Fahrenheit values. Double sharp (talk) 08:03, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've really got too much time on my hands. Here's a start at collecting the data. All of the data is ripped off from elsewhere in WP. For the
elemental
data, I stripped off the references and the other extraneous columns. I suspect there are a bunch of errors, so please feel free to correct it.

Heavenly bodies

Z
Sym
Element Group Period Melt
K
Boil
K
Sun
5778
Mercury
100
Mercury
440
Venus
730
Earth
287
Mars
227
Jupiter
152
Saturn
134
Uranus
72
Neptune
76
 
−999 !a !a −999 −999 −999 −999 !a !a !a !a !a !a !a !a !a !a
1 H Hydrogen 1 1 14.01 20.28 Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas
2 He Helium 18 1 0.95 4.22 Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas
3 Li Lithium 1 2 453.69 1560 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
4 Be Beryllium 2 2 1560 2742 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
5 B Boron 13 2 2349 4200 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
6 C Carbon 14 2 3800 4300 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
7 N Nitrogen 15 2 63.15 77.36 Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Liquid Liquid
8 O Oxygen 16 2 54.36 90.20 Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Liquid Liquid
9 F Fluorine 17 2 53.53 85.03 Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Liquid Liquid
10 Ne Neon 18 2 24.56 27.07 Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas
11 Na Sodium 1 3 370.87 1156 Gas Solid Liquid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
12 Mg Magnesium 2 3 923 1363 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
13 Al Aluminium 13 3 933.47 2792 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
14 Si Silicon 14 3 1687 3538 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
15 P Phosphorus 15 3 317.30 550 Gas Solid Liquid Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
16 S Sulfur 16 3 388.36 717.87 Gas Solid Liquid Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
17 Cl Chlorine 17 3 171.6 239.11 Gas Solid Gas Gas Gas Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid
18 Ar Argon 18 3 83.80 87.30 Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Solid Solid
19 K Potassium 1 4 336.53 1032 Gas Solid Liquid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
20 Ca Calcium 2 4 1115 1757 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
21 Sc Scandium 3 4 1814 3109 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
22 Ti Titanium 4 4 1941 3560 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
23 V Vanadium 5 4 2183 3680 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
24 Cr Chromium 6 4 2180 2944 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
25 Mn Manganese 7 4 1519 2334 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
26 Fe Iron 8 4 1811 3134 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
27 Co Cobalt 9 4 1768 3200 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
28 Ni Nickel 10 4 1728 3186 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
29 Cu Copper 11 4 1357.77 2835 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
30 Zn Zinc 12 4 692.88 1180 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
31 Ga Gallium 13 4 302.9146 2477 Gas Solid Liquid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
32 Ge Germanium 14 4 1211.40 3106 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
33 As Arsenic 15 4 1090 887 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
34 Se Selenium 16 4 453 958 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
35 Br Bromine 17 4 265.8 332.0 Gas Solid Gas Gas Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
36 Kr Krypton 18 4 115.79 119.93 Gas Solid Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Solid Solid
37 Rb Rubidium 1 5 312.46 961 Gas Solid Liquid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
38 Sr Strontium 2 5 1050 1655 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
39 Y Yttrium 3 5 1799 3609 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
40 Zr Zirconium 4 5 2128 4682 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
41 Nb Niobium 5 5 2750 5017 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
42 Mo Molybdenum 6 5 2896 4912 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
43 Tc Technetium 7 5 2430 4538 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
44 Ru Ruthenium 8 5 2607 4423 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
45 Rh Rhodium 9 5 2237 3968 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
46 Pd Palladium 10 5 1828.05 3236 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
47 Ag Silver 11 5 1234.93 2435 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
48 Cd Cadmium 12 5 594.22 1040 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
49 In Indium 13 5 429.75 2345 Gas Solid Liquid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
50 Sn Tin 14 5 505.08 2875 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
51 Sb Antimony 15 5 903.78 1860 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
52 Te Tellurium 16 5 722.66 1261 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
53 I Iodine 17 5 386.85 457.4 Gas Solid Liquid Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
54 Xe Xenon 18 5 161.4 165.03 Gas Solid Gas Gas Gas Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid
55 Cs Caesium 1 6 301.59 944 Gas Solid Liquid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
56 Ba Barium 2 6 1000 2170 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
57 La Lanthanum 6 1193 3737 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
58 Ce Cerium 6 1068 3716 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
59 Pr Praseodymium 6 1208 3793 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
60 Nd Neodymium 6 1297 3347 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
61 Pm Promethium 6 1315 3273 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
62 Sm Samarium 6 1345 2067 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
63 Eu Europium 6 1099 1802 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
64 Gd Gadolinium 6 1585 3546 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
65 Tb Terbium 6 1629 3503 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
66 Dy Dysprosium 6 1680 2840 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
67 Ho Holmium 6 1734 2993 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
68 Er Erbium 6 1802 3141 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
69 Tm Thulium 6 1818 2223 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
70 Yb Ytterbium 6 1097 1469 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
71 Lu Lutetium 3 6 1925 3675 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
72 Hf Hafnium 4 6 2506 4876 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
73 Ta Tantalum 5 6 3290 5731 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
74 W Tungsten 6 6 3695 5828 Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
75 Re Rhenium 7 6 3459 5869 Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
76 Os Osmium 8 6 3306 5285 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
77 Ir Iridium 9 6 2719 4701 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
78 Pt Platinum 10 6 2041.4 4098 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
79 Au Gold 11 6 1337.33 3129 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
80 Hg Mercury 12 6 234.43 629.88 Gas Solid Liquid Gas Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
81 Tl Thallium 13 6 577 1746 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
82 Pb Lead 14 6 600.61 2022 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
83 Bi Bismuth 15 6 544.7 1837 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
84 Po Polonium 16 6 527 1235 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
85 At Astatine 17 6 575 610 Gas Solid Solid Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
86 Rn Radon 18 6 202 211.3 Gas Solid Gas Gas Gas Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid
87 Fr Francium 1 7 300 950 Gas Solid Liquid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
88 Ra Radium 2 7 973 2010 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
89 Ac Actinium 7 1323 3471 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
90 Th Thorium 7 2115 5061 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
91 Pa Protactinium 7 1841 4300 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
92 U Uranium 7 1405.3 4404 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
93 Np Neptunium 7 917 4273 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
94 Pu Plutonium 7 912.5 3501 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
95 Am Americium 7 1449 2880 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
96 Cm Curium 7 1613 3383 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
97 Bk Berkelium 7 1259 2900 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
98 Cf Californium 7 1173 1743 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
99 Es Einsteinium 7 1133 1269 Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
100 Fm Fermium 7 1125 -- Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
101 Md Mendelevium 7 1100 - Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
102 No Nobelium 7 1100 - Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
103 Lr Lawrencium 3 7 1900 - Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
104 Rf Rutherfordium 4 7 2400 5800 Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
105 Db Dubnium 5 7 - - - - - - - - - -
106 Sg Seaborgium 6 7 - - - - - - - - - -
107 Bh Bohrium 7 7 - - - - - - - - - -
108 Hs Hassium 8 7 - - - - - - - - - -
109 Mt Meitnerium 9 7 - - - - - - - - - -
110 Ds Darmstadtium 10 7 - - - - - - - - - -
111 Rg Roentgenium 11 7 - - - - - - - - - -
112 Cn Copernicium 12 7 357 Gas - Gas Gas - - - - - -
113 Uut
Ununtrium
13 7 700 1400 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
114 Fl Flerovium 14 7 340 420 Gas Solid Gas Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
115 Uup
Ununpentium
15 7 700 1400 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
116 Lv Livermorium 16 7 708.5 1085 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
117 Uus
Ununseptium
17 7 673 823 Gas Solid Solid Liquid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
118 Uuo
Ununoctium
18 7 258 263 Gas Solid Gas Gas Gas Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
BP = Sun 5778 BP -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
BP = Venus 730 Gas -- -- BP -- -- -- -- -- --
BP = Mercury (day) 440 Gas -- BP Gas -- -- -- -- -- --
BP = Earth 287 Gas -- Gas Gas BP -- -- -- -- --
BP = Mars 227 Gas -- Gas Gas Gas BP -- -- -- --
BP = Jupiter 152 Gas -- Gas Gas Gas Gas BP -- -- --
BP = Saturn 134 Gas -- Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas BP -- --
BP = Mercury (night) 100 Gas BP Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas -- --
BP = Neptune 76 Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas -- BP
BP = Uranus 72 Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas Gas BP Gas
MP = Sun 5778 MP Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
MP = Venus 730 -- Solid Solid MP Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
MP = Mercury (day) 440 -- Solid MP -- Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
MP = Earth 287 -- Solid -- -- MP Solid Solid Solid Solid Solid
MP = Mars 227 -- Solid -- -- -- MP Solid Solid Solid Solid
MP = Jupiter 152 -- Solid -- -- -- -- MP Solid Solid Solid
MP = Saturn 134 -- Solid -- -- -- -- -- MP Solid Solid
MP = Mercury (night) 100 -- MP -- -- -- -- -- -- Solid Solid
MP = Neptune 76 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Solid MP
MP = Uranus 72 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- MP --
9e99 ~z ~z 9e99 9e99 9e99 9e99~z ~z ~z ~z ~z ~z ~z ~z ~z ~z ~z
Cheers! YBG (talk) 09:28, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re heavenly bodies

I've made some corrections and, to facilitate checking, added extra rows at the end with pseudo-elements whose MP or BP is equal to the each temperature. I verified the "Solid" entries by sorting on MP and then searching for "Solid" so it is highlighted everywhere. Similarly, I verified the "Gas" entries by sorting by BP and searching for "Gas". Try it, you can see how the errors jumped right out! I'm pretty confident the "Solid" and "Gas" entries are all OK. The "Liquid" and unknown ("-") entries still need to be verified. YBG (talk) 10:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen no slider at WP working this way. It could be made into a gif animation (one image per planet/sun). Nice to know that Rf is liquid on the sun ;-) . -DePiep (talk) 10:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
<funny notes>Amusing: Mercury at Mercury. </funny notes> -DePiep (talk) 11:16, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like some of the data here doesn't correspond with the articles – the W article gives boiling point 6203 K, but here it is 5828 K, for example. Double sharp (talk) 01:22, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, I noticed that myself; I decided to ignore the articles and just use the data from
WP:Astronomy. Let them mess with their Mercury, and we'll mess with our Mercury. YBG (talk) 03:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
And about the slider -- yea, I'm not sure there's a way to have interactive widgets in WP; I think sortable tables is as interactive as it gets (though I suppose editing is pretty interactive). Anyway, I think the best way to do it is to make a version of {{Element cell}} that takes a temperature parameter, then make a version of {{Periodic table}} that also takes a temperature parameter and passes it along to the each individual cell. Finally, make a page that displays multiple versions of the PT. Now if there was just a way to make it so that only one version was showing at a time. YBG (talk) 04:17, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a gif that shows the periodic table, looping from 0 K to around 6250 K? To be clearer the phase colour can be a background colour, so that the cell size can be reduced even further. Double sharp (talk) 15:27, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2014

Please change 1 to 119

117.201.23.241 (talk) 01:58, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not until another element (probably 119 or 120) has been discovered and the discovery has been reported by reliable sources. Double sharp (talk) 03:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
To 117.201.23.241: This is a long article. Please identify the exact sentence which you think needs changing. Perhaps Double Sharp did not understand where the change should be made - I certainly do not understand where.Dirac66 (talk) 04:23, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Dirac66: I took what I imagined to be the most plausible interpretation, as the article's usage of "1" is mostly for the group or period, where the number 119 makes even less sense. As an atomic number, as in the lede, it would make some sense. But you're right – this request isn't very clear... Double sharp (talk) 12:10, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Po: atomic weight

see [1], question by IP: "What is the atomic weight of polonium? Is it (209) or (210) as indicated periodic table?" (copy/pasted here -DePiep (talk) 18:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC))[reply]

Per Isotopes of polonium, 210 is the longest-lived isotope known, but 209 is longest-lived among naturally-occurring ones. What are some wikipedia pages/templates that have the full table (with masses), and what do they say about the meaning of values being in parenthesis? DMacks (talk) 20:38, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Let me notify the IP: @105.232.155.248:. -DePiep (talk) 20:47, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]