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Thank you Ed. I've been going through a rough patch lately, and coming from people like you, this award means a lot to me. Hawkeye7 (talk) 07:14, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Dropping by your talk page as I wanted to ask you what you know about the history of the US space program? The reason I ask is that I have recently been reading about various space missions, including the
Jack N. James and Robert J. Parks (the early history of JPL does involve missiles, so there is a military connection). The number of people quoted for Mariner 2 is about 250, nothing like the numbers that worked on the Manhattan Project or the Apollo program. But the tension between telling the story of individuals (both scientists and engineers), and the story of a large program with many (largely anonymous) individuals contributing to the overall mission, is still there. I did also find some final bits on Conant, but will drop those on the article talk page. Carcharoth (talk) 22:44, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
I have long had a fascination with the US space program, especially its technical and administrative aspects, and have several shelves of books on the subject, along with biographies of most of the early astronauts. The space program is a classic example of Big Science, so of enormous interest to me. It was definitely my intention to develop some of the space articles over the next year or so, although I've already bitten off two projects that are too big to chew. James B. Conant is part of a mini-series of articles of the administrators of the Manhattan Project. I've done the military ones - Groves, Farrell, Nichols and Parsons - and now the civilians - Bush, Conant and Oppenheimer. I brought Conant to FAC early because I wanted to put him on the front page on his 120th birthday in March 2013. The Manhattan Project articles have years of work ahead of them. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Years of work, yeah... It is difficult to know where to start and when to stop. Best of luck with that, and I'll keep an eye out for some of the articles. Out of interest, apart from the astronauts (though I have read about Armstrong and Gagarin among others), which do you think are the most famous engineering/administration names from the US and Soviet space programs? So much is focused on the astronauts and the technology that I don't know as many of the names of the managers and engineers as I should. Wernher von Braun and Sergei Korolev spring to mind, but after that my mind goes blank a bit (though one of the names from Apollo 11 stuck in my mind - Deke Slayton is who I was remembering). But looking through Apollo program I see numerous mentions of generals, managers, and aerospace engineers, though that is likely only scratching the surface (and of course there are many 50th anniversaries coming up for the space program). Anyway, as I said, all the best with whatever you end up working on next. Carcharoth (talk) 02:03, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Hawkeye -
Anything more I'd think to do for Morton would be polishing cannon balls, but I am sure there are things I've missed. I'd appreciate a critical hawk's eye view of it for anything that occurs to said hawk, if you have the time. I haven't finished reading Bulkley, but I'm past the time of Mumma and New Guinea. ...best, JMOprof (talk) 18:39, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
And that is why you are Military Historian of the year. Thank you. I'll start with the citation dates needed. Is it a legacy that Mortons III and IV are also shooters? Is there a way to get this in the public domain, maybe as free use? Thank you again. If you ever need submarine help, please think of me first. I have a copy of this, as well as Blair and Roscoe (my expansion). ...best JMOprof (talk) 21:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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Apologies - I did not realise that the US military used the British format of '7 January 2013' as opposed to the US format of 'January 7, 2013'. GiantSnowman10:51, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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Talk:Australian Army in World War II/GA1. You've done quite a bit to improve this article over the years so if you are interested your involvement in the review would be most welcome. Thanks again. Anotherclown (talk) 13:05, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
G'day, Hawkeye, this has passed GA now. Do you have any objections to the article being nominated for A-class this weekend? Sorry to rush you, but I'm heading away for six-seven weeks in February, so I'd like to try to get this one through ACR before then. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 21:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Hawkeye, would you mind having another look at Samuel Frickleton which you assessed as start class earlier today? I have added a cite to the paragraph that was missing one and also fixed the inconsistency about the number of brothers if that was the hiccup with it getting to B-class. Cheers. Zawed (talk) 10:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I've addressed all but the last issue, and I'm looking for the source on that one. If you could take another look, I would appreciated it. Thanks, GregJackPBoomer!15:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Hawkeye, did you have any comments regarding the citations in specific such concerns over sources, sections, quotations, material? I used James Longstreet as a baseline. This was my first attempt at a historical and civil war related article so any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much!
Mkdwtalk07:20, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
I classify dozens of articles at a time according to a rigid set of rules. Go through the article and replace all the {{citation required}} tags with references. And while you are at it, find out what Smith (1892) is. Then come back here or to the review page and I'll reclassify the article as a B. have fun! Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:46, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Hawkeye, thanks for adding those. That helps me a lot in where my attention should be. I read the criteria but wasn't sure exactly where specifically, so thanks for that. Phew, it's been a long while since I last edited an article extensively. I ended up removing a lot of the sentences with {{
cn}} as the details were trivial such as the address of his dried goods business or overall outcomes of a campaign (where the 118th was not directly involved). I've been in contact with some sources such as the Woodlands Cemetery where they forwarded me some historical documents via email. What is the standard practice to use these as a reference? (Upload them and link the file in the reference?) I fixed the Smith reference so it properly links to the full reference if you click on Smith; its a book, mainly eyewitness accounts from soldiers, from the 118th published by John L. Smith hosted at The Library of Congress. Once again, much appreciated for you taking time to answer my questions. Regards, Mkdwtalk22:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
There are restrictions on primary documents; they can only be used for facts. If you have a site that you can upload to, fine. Otherwise you can try WikiSource and then link from there. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:27, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't even know about WikiSource. Yes I'm aware; they're mainly records like immigration, burial cards, and business/banking receipts for land/plots. Do you have any recommendations that I should undertake in preparation for A? Mkdwtalk03:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
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Sector clock Please re assess modified stub, maybe B class? Cmpltd (talk) 19:14, 15 January 2013 (UTC) Not a chance. It needs to be fully referenced. Also: correct the raw URLs. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC
Sharp response! This is a very limited subject. 'Referencing?' are you referring to the final portion about the plotting table? If so I can expand but it is not directly relevant to the topic of the clock.Cmpltd (talk) 14:26, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Got it..! correct the circular referencing.. Cmpltd (talk) 14:50, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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Big problem with infobox
Hello Hawkeye, during the browsing of Wikipedia, I found page
Commandant of Cadets
in very bad condition. Some inexperienced user damaged it and I dont know how to revert his changes. Please, can you check it and possibly repair it?
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I know you've been doing a lot of work on Pacific War American commanders, do you have any designs on any of the Fleet Admirals? I've been collecting sources to do more military biographies and didn't want to step on your toes. —Ed!(talk)16:51, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Hallo Hawkeye,
thanks for your kind appreciation, and for your very good job on Enrico's :-) page. This is a very good question, since outside Italy there is much confusion about the Italian University system. First of all, in the last 30 years much has changed, and now the Italian system resembles much the American one. At Fermi's time (and also my time, I graduated in the early eighties), in Italy there was only the so called Laurea, that is, there was NO graduate school. The Laurea in scientific and technical subject (Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics, Engineering) followed always the same pattern:
The first two years ("biennio") devoted to basic studies (Calculus, Physics, Chemistry, etc.) and basically the same for all the faculties;
The second two (for Physics and Mathematics) or three (for Engineering and Chemistry) years devoted to specialized courses (but not "equivalent to graduate school" as it was erroneously written in the article);
In the end, a Thesis work with final examination;
After that, the student got the title of "Dottore";
This last point brings a lot of confusion among foreigners, since they think automatically that the person holding this title completed a Ph.D., which was NOT the case.
Although at a first glance this could have resembled an undergraduate study (for example in the U.S.), there were differences. The courses were mainly held yearly (October to May), they were time intensive and very hard (in my case, for example, 36 people started Calculus I, only 2 passed) and the examinations (no mid-term) were always written and oral. The Thesis work could have taken a long time (also a couple of years for experimental work) being so comparable with a Ph.D. Thesis.
This explain why for a good italian student attending a graduate Study abroad was often an easy task (I got an M.S. in USA in 9 months, and was like vacation :-)).
Regarding Fermi then, you should consider that he was a "Normalista". Students enrolled at the Normale were (and still are) automatically enrolled also at the University of Pisa, and they follows always two courses (and take two examinations) per each subject, one at the Normale and one at the University. They cannot fail an exam, and their score must be consistently high (I think at least 27/30), otherwise they must quit the normale. This, together with a very hard admission test, the exceptional academic body, and the very small number of students, explains why the Normale is the University which holds worldwide the highest ratio between future Nobel laureates and students.
always glad to answer to your questions! Well, the answer is simple: in Italy one or more university chairs were assigned after a "Concorso", that is a public and official (i.e., held by the State: due to that, the result could be appealed in front of an administrative court) competition among several candidates. Usually the "Concorso" was "per esami e titoli" . The latter were degrees (in the case of Fermi, a "Laurea" in Physics), published papers, and so on, which each candidate should have necessarily held. The former was one or more examinations. At the end, the examiners (other university Professors) compiled a ranking list of the persons who are considered "idonei" (capable) for this chair. The first n candidates among the "idonei" got the n chair, the others went away empty-handed. Fermi failed to win the first "Concorso" (if I remember well, it was for a chair in Cagliari), but won the second, thanks to the important aid of Corbino. Moreover, there was also the "Libera docenza", which allowed someone to give lectures at the university without being a professor. This was analogue to the German "Habilitation". Alex2006 (talk) 09:08, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks Hawkeye7 for your kind thoughts. Much appreciated - :D though I do try to be balanced. If the infantry war diaries were available on the web it would help enormously. All the best, kind regards, --Rskp (talk) 22:10, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, and a happy Australia Day to you too. But why use exactly the same message that Laura used last year, complete with the grammattical error (is -> are) and the emoticons (which I didn't think were part of *your* regular editing style on WP)? Graham8700:33, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
not only that but some are not even regular editors anymore and some of the weirder hard cases of the australian project have never been thanked ever...
Thanks from me too. It's especially nice when such acknowledgement comes from people with whom I've really had little interaction. To be honest, I didn't notice the grammattical[sic] error, the spirit of the message is what matters. Cheers. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
The template that laura sent out last year was when there seemed to be a need to acknowledge editors workand it seemed like a good day in the year to acnowledge australian editors (I fail to see how the reading of the item as flag waving and mis-directed nationalism, but hey thats wikipedia for you) - the point I was trying to make is the general appraisal of some of the more outlandish bad tempered and obsessed Australian Afd participants, or other very weird corners of the australian project rarely get acknowledged.. (mind you some would probably revert with an edit summary of bugger off - spam) - even for some who have 25,000 + watchlists they might not even pickup on the obscure corners. There a very few high edit people left, but lots of small edit people who would probably have appreciated acknowledgement - but then it would probably take up a lot of time to sort through the mass of currently active Australian editors, then you get those who dont even acknowledge their state or their australianness to be appreciated.
Hawkeye, please don't send me one of those templates. I find the whole thing cringe-inducing. Nationalism goes nowhere but bad places, sooner or later. Tony(talk) 11:15, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
However I appreciated the greeting. There is no need to cringe. Happy 27/1/2013!
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Hawkeye7 (submissions) has the highest overall bonus points, as well as the highest scoring article, thanks to his work on Enrico Fermi, now a good article. The biography of such a significant figure to the history of science warrants nearly five times the normal score.
HueSatLum (submissions) claimed bonus points for René Vautier and Nicolas de Fer, articles that did not exist on the English Wikipedia at the start of the year; a first for the WikiCup. The articles were eligible for bonus points because of fact they were both covered on a number of other Wikipedias.
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Over on the Audie Murphy talk page, an IP editor suggested you might be helpful. In a nutshell, the Audie Murphy article needs a lot of cleaning up and reconstructing. I'd like to see this be a FA on the front page, but it will take a lot to get it there. I set it up for Peer review, and user MarcusBritish has made a number of suggestions. I can do a lot of clean-up and general editing on Wikipedia, but I have no experience with military subjects. Is there is anything you can edit on the military section of the article to help bring it along? Anything you feel you can do is appreciated. — Maile (talk) 01:23, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I tried to get the article featured, but it failed three times, so I've given up on it. The nomination usually received very little feedback. If I remember correctly, the main concerns were: reads too much like a list and needs a copy edit. EnemyOfTheState|talk20:41, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
If you don't mind, I would like to co-nom it. I'll do all the work, which will probably not be much, and I'll make sure that it gets reviewed properly. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:37, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Feel free to try your luck. The text is probably slightly out of date, some parts read like she's still active, and nothing has really been added since her retirement one year ago. EnemyOfTheState|talk13:30, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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WWI edit-a-thon
Hi Hawkeye,
Here is the link to the proposed WWI edit-a-thon in June?
You would obviously be a man to have on board for the Canberra component. Do you know of articles about the Australian contribution or the impact on Australia that are missing and needed to be added, or are poor and need improving? They could be added to the list to assist with preparation. I have put three on the project page. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 03:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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In the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki article, Binksternet keeps on believing that Hiroshima was given a leaflet warning with 12 cities on the list and Hiroshima was not. I don't want to go any further as things will gets ugly in the "leaflet section "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Leaflets". I attempted to remove it in the "leaflet" section, and Bink kept on reversing it back to way it was without providing any legitimate explanation to me whatsoever. Everytime i tried to edit out the problem and everytime i tried to explain he keeps on telling me to go to the talk article and he kept on reversing the back the way it was and scuffs those as I was lying. The whole thing is he keeps on believing that the Hiroshima was given a leaflet warning with 12 cites with Hiroshima not on the list which no major sources ever said it. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki&action=history Earlier, he puts on this last sentence," One such leaflet is on display at the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum; it lists 12 cities targeted for firebombing: Otaru, Akita, Hachinohe, Fukushima, Urawa, Takayama, Iwakuni, Tottori, Imabari, Yawata, Miyakonojo, and Saga. Hiroshima was not listed." I then remove it then Bink kept on adding in with the sources that claim to have the Hiroshima city warned with 12 leaflets and Hiroshima was not on the list. Besides, he claimed that the leaflets were warned based on the link he provided and said this: One such leaflet lists 12 cities targeted for firebombing: Otaru, Akita, Hachinohe, Fukushima, Urawa, Takayama, Iwakuni, Tottori, Imabari, Yawata, Miyakonojo, and Saga. Hiroshima was not listed." He kept on saying this because he believes that Hiroshima was given a 12 city warning when i saw no evidence providing to the contrary whatsoever. And he claimed it was based on this: http://books.google.com/books?id=adI-6jRDipgC&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q&f=false Would you read it and does it REALLY says that Hiroshima was given such as 12 city leaflet? I don't think so. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 02:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
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Hi- sorry to be such a bore, but I'm afraid I've had to trim off a few others which would really count as last year's. I appreciate that the rules are a little irritating, but it's the only fair way to do it, really. The big scorer is still there, so I've no doubt you'll come out near the front this round anyway. For more information, see Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring, and if you have any questions, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks! J Milburn (talk) 23:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Battle of the Bismarck Sea
Do you want me to see if some TFA shuffling is possible?
Done. In fact, although I spotted your reply earlier, I forgot that you had already written a blurb, but I don't think the differences between your one and
... which would explain why it's not in the article! I suppose one burning ship in black and white looks much like another <runs away after committing MILHIST heresy!>
I think I've responded to all of the comments you posted there. Let me know if there's anything else I should fix. —Ed!(talk)13:07, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
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did you like how it had a cami pattern (you know the milhist allusion)? Or did you even look at the clothes...;-) TCO (talk) 00:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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is the first featured portal this year. The featured portal process is one of the less well-known featured processes, and featured portals have traditionally had little impact on WikiCup scores.
in Shropshire? With April Fools' Day during the next round, there will probably be a good chance of more unusual articles...
March sees the
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You've got a support on prose, so a second one probably won't help ... but let me know if I can help with anything. - Dank (push to talk) 03:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi mate, this must've been published just as the WP Article was completing FAC... Haven't read it yet but letting you know in case you wanted to add anything to the article -- even just a Further Reading entry -- while it's still fresh... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:08, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
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Thomas Farrell (general) articles to A-class status. Congratulations on being the first person to qualify for this award. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
My oath, I knew you were close but I didn't think you were that close! Shows what happens when one has to forsake ACR for FAC... ;-) Anyway, heartiest congratulations -- this milestone will certainly rate a mention in From the Editors in the April Bugle... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:37, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
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I recently had the pleasure of doing the Good Article review on seven of your "LW" Paralympic Skiing sport class articles. What a large amount of excellent work in an area that otherwise probably would not have been covered! One thing that is particularly interesting about doing GA review is the whole new areas that I end up learning, and this group of articles certainly is that. I understand that there is a duo on this, with LauraHale handling more of the content and Hawkeye7 handling more of working them through the review process. Congratulations on a large amount of excellent work! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:58, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Hawkeye7. Please don't delete it and remove that tag immediately. This is a common misconception that was erroneous all over Wikipedia pages concerning the US Army and Engineers. The US Army Corps of Engineers is a branch of the US Army, like Infantry, Aviation, Field Artillery, Adjutant Corps, etc. As a branch, it overseas both combat and construction Engineering in the US Army. There is another organization, also called the US Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) which is a predominantly civilian organization which manages the navigable waterways of the United States and also manages large construction contracts for the army. The organization USACE, is overseen by the Engineer Branch of the US Army. It is confusing, hence the misconceptions.
See this link from the institute of Army Heraldry: http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/UniformedServices/Branches/engineers.aspx and then look at the USACE logo (United States Army Corps of Engineers ) to see that these organizations are distinct. USACE, the Engineering organization, is not the component of the US Army which is responsible for breaching or laying minefields and constructing vehicle fighting positions in combat. This is self-evident when you read the US Army Corps of Engineers Wikipedia page. You should remove your tag from the Engineer Branch article immediately before it is deleted and this misconception is perpetuated. Thanks!WIKI1Q2W3E4R (talk) 14:55, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I did not know that that discussion page existed. I'll respect that you went through a process, but I think you're crazy. The truth is simple, even self evident. The US Army Corps of Engineers Page is about USACE, the engineering organization. The logo it uses is even different from the official branch insignia. If you wanted to change the title of the page concerning the branch to- "US Army Corps of Engineers (Branch of the US Army)", then you could. I'll admit the page wasn't yet the best quality, but it was a work in progress and a place holder reflecting better facts. Every US combat engineer battalion page on Wikipedia says that they report to USACE, which is blatantly/ubsurdly incorrect. I made that correction on all active duty combat engineer unit pages, but you saw fit to revert those articles and make them less accurate. Good work!WIKI1Q2W3E4R (talk) 07:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
WikiCup 2013 March newsletter
We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate Miyagawa (submissions) (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's Casliber (submissions) (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.
Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with
)). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.
Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's wikification drive. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such gnomish work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.
A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review only. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on
Hi. Small point. I wonder if the following might not be better placed in a different prep area, as that one already has a National Football League hook? See here.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:52, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hey! Thank you for the gentle and sad reminder yesterday. Just wondering, you switched the pics on prep 4 today. I thought we weren't supposed to have 2 people (or animals or buildings etc.) in a row unless it were absolutely necessary. Has that changed? PanydThe muffin is not subtle22:32, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I think we can get away with it, as they are visually very different. I wanted to align the hooks with the time zones. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
This is the search page I got, telling me the Stafford L. Warren/Adelaide Tusler interview from 1983 is stored at UCLA, about 420 miles from me. I don't see a way to order it scanned and sent to me, as is possible at UC Berkeley. Perhaps you can contact the library and see what are your options. Binksternet (talk) 00:32, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Now that was a dumb edit of mine! I should have figured out the Admiral-Marine disconnect beforehand. "DUH!" as the youngsters say. ☺ JMOprof (talk) 14:22, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar
Thanks for making the revert on the previous change. I thought I had canceled the action, actually! But you got it back to where it was originally.
Appreciate the heads-up on your review notes regarding Henrietta Swan Leavitt. I plan to find references for all those areas that need it within the 7-day period. Quick question for you, though: If there's a fact that I simply cannot find a citation for, is it better to delete the fact or leave the "citation needed," if the goal is to get the article to "good" status? I realize there may not be one right answer here, but any guidance would be appreciated. Girona7 (talk) 04:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
It is better to delete the fact. GA requires everything to be referenced, but does not require the article to be completely comprehensive. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I have now added references anywhere they were missing. Also, I do see a use for the Ventrudo ref; it's currently numbered 14 in the reflist. Pls let me know if I can do anything else to help this article along :) Girona7 (talk) 21:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Hawkeye7, thank you for the barnstar, it was a lovely surprise; I'm afraid I sometimes get a little cross at DYK when 'proper' articles get held up while poorly written stubs sail through to the main page. I'm also getting a little more confident about saying my piece about it so will probably get banned from over there soon .
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You'd probably be the best person with the most expertise to deal with this comment, I think it's a pretty good suggestion, probably wouldn't be too hard to research for a few inline cites. — Cirt (talk) 03:25, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, you provided an interesting source. I'd still prefer weasel-ier wording, but you provided an interesting source, so I'm passing it. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
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Congratulations on the Featured Article, and thanks for all the hard work. I have not looked at this article in several years, and it is now quite good. Most accounts of this case have a hard time getting the details right, and some miss the point entirely. You guys nailed it.
I noticed you have done some recent work on Operation Crossroads. Back in 2008 I doubled the size of that article and added quite a few illustrations. In an effort to promote it to Featured Article status, I even learned to use the Harvard footnote system, but the nomination didn't generate much interest. I would love to see it promoted again. (I just noticed that you did it yesterday.) I think it's an interesting story, worthy of attention.
A background note: The picture in the infobox is what got my interest. I was visiting Ralph Lapp in his Washington home about a dozen years ago, and he had a three-foot-wide enlargement of that picture on his living room wall. He pointed to the black object in the water column and said, "that's the battleship Arkansas standing on its nose." He was there. I did some research and learned that despite official denials eyewitnesses agreed with Lapp. I located some video that showed the black object standing clear of the water column, so it clearly wasn't a gap in the water column, as Delgado suggested. (After seeing the videos, Delgado now agrees with Lapp.)
Nonetheless, the real story is the way this event was staged as a publicity stunt which backfired on the Navy, requiring a lot of spin-doctoring. It eventually introduced the world to the problem of radioactive fallout from nuclear bombs. HowardMorland (talk) 14:26, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
It is good to know that we got it right! I have been working on all the Manhattan Project suite of articles with an objective of turning them into a featured topic. Operation Crossroads has great images. It seemed to only need to have the inline citations completed, so I did that and sent it off for a GA review. After that it will go to an A class review. We can then co-nominate it for featured again, and I would expect it to pass. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:54, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Annika Zeyen
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Hi mate, re. the military related files (Vampires, Lincolns, Walters, Dowling, 90 Wing, 3RAR) here, I can't remember when/where some of these things last came up, perhaps you do... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:28, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nick, was going to drop you a line too but I see you're already there. The AWM ones should pretty straightforward. The 90WG and Dowling ones from libraries, and the Walters and Lincoln shots from my private collection (previously my father's of course) may be a little more challenging, which is why I was trying to recall if we'd discussed such situations recently... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
If your father created them and they've been passed on to you, then they're yours to do with as you please. If they're RAAF-created publicity shots or the like then things are much more complex... Wikipedia's policies in regards to this topic are seriously messed up. The various discussions of post-45 AWM images have mainly ended with them being deleted, but that was before the Memorial added the CC PD tag in an attempt (in part) to stop this from occurring and to encourage greater use of the images on Wikipedia and elsewhere so the AWM-related discussions are fresh ground in a lot of ways. Nick-D (talk) 08:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia's copyright policies in many regards are seriously messed up. Intellectual property law is such a complex subject now that the advice when I was dealing with such things professionally is to not just check with a lawyer but to check with a lawyer specializing in the particular part of intellectual property rights in question. I have particular irritation at the templates for U.S. federal government works. They are largely nonsense—I suspect the peculiar interest of a cottage industry of template makers here. It makes not one bit of difference whether the official photographer was a sailor, soldier or airman or civilian employee of one of the services or USDA or State. The key is whether the photography was done using public equipment and the photography was their specific job or mission. Then, in the U.S. where there is no "Crown Copyright" and things done at public expense are public domain unless restricted by such things as security classification (still cannot be copyright), that is the end of the matter and it is P.D. U.S. Government. And no, just because some soldier, sailor or airman snaps a photo with personal equipment not violating security or other prohibitions while "working/on duty" does not make it P.D. as some might construe from those tags. A sensible approach here would be to eliminate all those subsets, but that would put a stop to that cottage industry of copyright amateurs making templates. It would be interesting to get a real copyright expert's view on the idea AWM images put into the P.D. by the Australian government could ever be copyright in the U.S. as that is a case of the rights owner declaring them P.D. Anyone claiming copyright in Australia of an official U.S. image would be making a false claim of ownership and that is also actionable. Palmeira (talk) 12:13, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Yep. The Walters and Lincoln shots are all from an officially produced RAAF album on 82WG in 1953-54. Still clearly PD in Australia because govt, when they were taken (never mind if you count as "published" or not). Might have to explore the fair-use route for the US, since I'm unaware of any free portraits of Walters as an air officer, or the Lincolns over their home base... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:09, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
We put the date after the month. If Walter Bedell Smith had been English or Australian then the date would go before the month. You can check the pages of Dwight D. Eisenhower, John Pershing, Ulysses S. Grant, Omar Bradley, George Marshall, Curtis Lemay, Attack on Pearl Harbor... just to name a few. You'll see that the dates are all after the month.
3 June – 15 August 1914; US format June 3 – August 15, 1914, not June 3-August 15, 1914
Hi Hawkeye7, re the GA work, I believe I have fixed all the items that were listed in Comments section on the Tadeusz Kościuszko talk page. Haven't heard from anyone in a couple of days and was wondering how the evaluation is progressing. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 14:22, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
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DYK for Leona Woods
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Please Hawkeye...Can you have George Juskalian's article placed in another prep so that the photograph can be shown? I worked very hard to contact the family of George Juskalian so that the picture can be free and shown on the DYK...I would greatly appreciate it. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:20, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you so much. If the hook is not gramitically correct, I believe a final revision through the preperation process will alleviate the matter. Thank you once again.
The hook was removed from Prep 2 without a proper consensus. There is only one person who believes that the Silver Medal in itself is not rare. This is not acceptable. Proudbolsahye (talk) 22:33, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Hawkeye, I am sorry to bother you about this article. The George Juskalian DYK has been accepted once again. I really appreciated for what you did last time. However, due to certain issues with the DYK hook it was removed. If you can please promote it to the original spot that it was I would greatly greatly appreciate it. Once again, sorry to nag you about it. Thank you for your time. Proudbolsahye (talk) 19:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
"SWPA fleet"
Just added what I think is the basic need for the command oriented article. "MacArthur's fleet" is fairly neglected outside logistical circles even though it is one of the more interesting stories and some of its odder components subject of mislabeled movies in which Army sailing vessels became "Navy" for purposes of entertainment. Somewhere in the command section, falling perhaps in the SOS section but maybe more properly elsewhere is the pioneering role of the "CP fleet" starting with some of those odd little sailing vessels and culminating with the Spindle Eye, post SWPA and intended for the invasion of Japan, which was a unique outgrowth of MacArthur's focus on publicity. Your local resources might help fill out the blanks in these recent ship pieces I added,
Coast Farmer that with Anhui were the only successful blockade runners of those failed efforts to resupply the Philippine forces. Of all the wartime stories of collapse, refugees in the face of Axis advances, the ones related to that "typhoon" blowing scattered little vessels from Singapore throughout the Dutch islands and Philippines to a few managing Australia is for me the most interesting. Palmeira (talk) 17:48, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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G'day Hawkeye7, congrats for getting this to the Main Page. I enjoyed reading it when I reviewed it and it's good to see it getting some more exposure. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:28, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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This DYK hook says "Washington Monument". But there's no mention of that in the article. The article mentions the Lincoln Memorial. This is sitting on the front page of Wikipedia right now. - Tim1965 (talk) 13:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi there Hawkeye, after you assessed an article I requested a few days ago I noticed you are a coordinator for WP:MILHIST and I have a question that you might be able to help me with. I saw that
The amount of work you've put into DYK and promoting articles to GA is nothing short of admirable. Thankyou for helping improve wikipedia and run DYK, it is very much appreciated!! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld15:45, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I believe that my reviewer for {{Template:Did you know nominations/ Japanese cruiser Ibuki (1943)}} doesn't fully understand how to verify 5x expansion. I'd appreciate it if you could check it out and clarify the matter. That said I'm 700 characters short of the 5x on a 8200 character article with little chance of adding more material since the ship was never finished. I'd like to request a partial exception to the normal rules since I'm pretty close to making the requirement.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:08, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
You are being contacted as a user who participated in previous discussions proposing the deletion of {{infobox Australian road}}, this RfC does not propose that.
Hello, Hawkeye7. I was taking a look at your user page and found myself thoroughly impressed by your content work. Your achievements are amazing and it is encouraging to discover another content creation giant who's talents I was not previously aware of. It did not take me very long to realize that you are the type of editor I would like to recognize with the
Hi Hawkeye,
I got a message about an edit that you had reverted, on the Margaret Gowing page, removing the Library Resources Box template. I wanted to check with you to see what your concern was with the edit. I know that there has been discussion about use of the template, but convergence appears to be in support of using it. There is at least one online book currently available, so the parameter for that is correctly set. Having access to the resources box means that people no longer have to individually link to individual books from the bibliography; new works appear in the library box without needing to be duplicated on wikipedia. Libraries track this sort of information well; it's a lot less work for Wikipedians to take advantage of it, rather than recreate it. I have not yet reverted your change to put back the template, but would like to do so. Many thanks, Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
My first thought was that it was an experimental edit. Taking the Margaret Gowing page as an example it says "Books about Margaret Gowing :" and "Books by Margaret Gowing :" but instead of correctly listing any, puts out a single comma. I clicked on "resources in your library" and that really annoyed me. "Global library services" with some generic links. The first three do not work. WorldCat does work, but no better than the user running a search herself. And then we have something really bad: only six libraries are listed. None of them are within 250 miles of here, although some of the biggest and most important libraries in the country are, including the most important, which all editors would expect to see. The most important of the ones that are there, the SLNSW, does not work. In fact, only three out of six work. And one of the others is problematic; Macquarie University only works for students of that university. Frustrating, because it could have given me access through my own university, but chose not do so. The "online books", to my surprise, does work. So, basically, I concluded that the templates were in beta testing, nowhere near ready to be rolled out. If you'd put then in a box together and tucked it away down the bottom of the page (like the authority control) so people could ignore it instead of splattering it across the page I would not have removed it. You fix it, and I'll put it back. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
WikiCup 2013 April newsletter
We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with
Sven Manguard (submissions) claiming for the high-importance Portal:Sports and Portal:Geography (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and Cwmhiraeth (submissions) claiming for a did you know of sea, the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place Casliber (submissions) and second place Sturmvogel_66 (submissions
) both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.
The next issue of The Signpost is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.
A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round after the break, but not the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on
If you're offering me a beer, you better have one with me! ;) Agreed, I highly admire your quality improvement contributions on the subject of freedom of speech, and collaboration is most fun! Let me know if/when you are able to work with me on Hustler Magazine v. Falwell as a joint collaboration — that one I'll definitely pour energies into getting its quality status improved! — Cirt (talk) 06:05, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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Why did you put those cite-need tags in the Zeus article, in paras that were fully reffed?
It wouldn't happen to be because the last sentence in the para wasn't reffed was it?
Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:14, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes. The refs cover the sentences back to the previous ref or the start of the paragraph. So each paragraph contains at least one ref, at the end of the paragraph. The DYK reviewers will check that every paragraph has a ref at the end of it (fully referenced) and then bring the refs for the hook and verify that it does cover the hook. Reviewers at the GA and FA level will go through the other refs. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for the tardy reply, and for the fact that it's going to be buried and hard to find in the midst of so many posts, and generally what will be contentious statements…
Once again I find myself pointing out that the statement above in no way has any basis in any rules of the Wiki, DYK, or any other part of the project. There is nothing in the DYK rules about it being "fully referenced", only a rule of thumb and "in general". Neither of these are hard and fast, and are merely guidelines for the reviewer. There is absolutely nothing about end-of-para referencing, here or anywhere else. The only rule is that the statement of the hook be inline references. Do you disagree with any of these statements?
The rules of thumb are intended to give guides to the reviewer on whether or not the article is well referenced, nothing more. One could put a cite at the end of every para, even every word, and still have an article that is poorly referenced. On the other side of the coin, one could have not a single inline in the entire article, and still be very well referenced. And such an article with a single inline meets all requirements for DYK. Do you disagree with any of these statements?
The concern I have - and this isn't with you personally, this is systemic - is that the project has devolved to a point where form is considered more important than function. The function of referencing is the same as it has always been, to provide evidence that potentially contentious passages in the article have been stated elsewhere, or represent generally agreed on statements (perhaps "of fact"). Specifically, the guideline is that "sources are required for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged".
So to apply the rules to this particular example, including "of thumb", do you think the article in question is or is not well referenced? Moreover, do you believe that the statement that Zeus was followed by Zeus-EX is potentially contentious and therefore requires a cite for that particular statement?
The inline page specifically states " If you can't find the source of a statement without an inline citation after a good-faith look, ask on the talk page, or request a citation." I believe that every one of the tags you placed would be trivially found in most of the references in question. Did you perform such a good-faith search? According to your statement above, no. But now, due to the same rules, citations are now required. Not that this will improve the article in any way, mind you, but according to the same page, cites are now required.
Generally when I post statements like this people think I'm being an ass. But it is precisely this sort of mil-speccing that I believe has led to the exodus of editors that is causing such serious problems for the Wiki. Instead of actually thinking about things, we simply quote policies. DYK is a minor example, AfD's deletion of broad swaths of recent history is much more egregious. Frankly, it scares the hell out of me.
I take your point, and believe me, I know what it is like to have a featured quality article deleted under
Rule D2). (Don't forget the QPQ requirement as well!) And I already looked and replaced your hook reference, which had decayed, so I know that it is not straightforward. But you have the references right in front of you, and can supply them, whereas another editor will have to find references, and then rewrite your sentences. To me, having had to do this with article after article, this is such a wasteful duplication of effort. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Hawkeye7, since you helped out at my last FAC (Sesame Street research), I thought I'd ask if you could help out again with my latest one [4]. Would you mind? It's been languishing for a while, so I'm drumming up folks to review it. I'd really appreciate it, thanks, and let me know what I can do for you. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
So I appreciate that you took the time and did a review for me. I'll go over to yours and take a look in the next day or two. And I'll see if you worked on the Crispin GAC this weekend and see if we can get that finished. I also wanted you to know that I finished addressing your comments. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Update: Thanks to you, this article passed! But I have yet another Angelou article languishing at FAC. [5] Would you mind taking a look. I see that you have a GAC languishing at the backlog queue; I'll go and look at it today. Thanks, I appreciate it. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
In the article George Kistiakowsky which I review for B class I recommended US spelling on several words, which you corrected. I was following the George Kistiakowsky article on my watch list and noticed you made an edit. Out of curiosity, I checked your edit and noticed the spelling corrections I had recommended. The word "devise" was already correct and you changed it to "devize", which seems illogically logical. US spelling of "devise" is "devise". I changed your change back. I hope I have helped. I use the technique of running a copy of the article through MS Word, which will highlight spelling and grammar errors; this makes it a little easier to catch spelling errors. This method was suggested to me by AustralianRupert when I was having trouble on some of my B-class articles. I have used it with some success ever since. I hope this helped and I will be willing to help with the Kistiakowsky article if you need assistance. It is a very good and interesting article and I wish you good luck on the GAN. You have helped me in the past and I am trying to return the favor. Cheers. Cuprum17 (talk) 23:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't need to run things through MS Word, because I have a spelling checker built onto my Firefox browser. However, both it and Word use Australian spelling! Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Hawkeye7, Thanks you very much for the Barnstar, I really appreciate it. I'm also very grateful to you, for the interest you continue to show in the Sinai and Palestine campaign, by carrying out all those individual reviews. All the best, --Rskp (talk) 01:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Stanislaw Ulam
I have noticed that you removed all the quotations by and about Ulam. These sections were referenced and provide some information that does not fit in the body of the article. Could you please let me know why removal is appropriate? Deer*lake (talk) 08:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Drive proposal for June
FYI I've started a proposal for a drive in Jun here [6]. Was hoping to get some more co-ord opinions before I look to implement this. If you are able to have a look I would be interested in your opinion. Thanks. Anotherclown (talk) 11:24, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hi! The article on Fuchs is simply amazing. After the ga, you should finitely try for FA, of course following further development. I told in the ga review about a book I read several years ago ( when I was a high school student). The book was in Bengali language, and was essentially a novel, although it included loads of equations and theories of physics! The name of the book is Biswasghatak, yes, I found it has a wikipedia article, too! Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:43, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Any reason for removing my sourced edit regarding the fact that he was the signatory of the Armistice with Germany on behalf of Ike? Pr4ever (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi, sorry for the delay. I will be back in the review within 1–3 days. I don't think anything else need to be done. --Dwaipayan (talk) 04:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
When you promoted the DYK hook for What Remains, I hope you made sure that the work I did on the article as reviewer was as good as I think it was! (Just checking...) --Orlady (talk) 20:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
The only thing that I thought you missed was that the article was still classified as a stub, so I re-classed it as a C. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:53, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
), giving, as the result, “the term 'Nazi German' will not be used in Miltary History Project articles”.
Can you tell me how you arrived at that conclusion? My reading of the discussion was that there wasn't much of a consensus for any particular course of action. But if this is to be the result, what can you suggest as an alternative term? "German" (with no link at all)? "German" (link to Germany)? "German" (link to Nazi Germany)? Any/all of the above? None of the above?
Also, the specific complaint was in the case of the term "Nazi German Kriegsmarine". This term is currently used on several hundred (mostly U-boat) articles, as a shorthand for “Kriegsmarine, the navy of Nazi Germany” Do you have an idea what should we be using instead?
Thirdly, the concern was raised (by Marcus, then by me) that this proposal is prompted by a particular agenda, to airbrush the connection between the KM and the Nazi apparatus, and might well open the gates to a flood of revisionist editing. Are there any safeguards you can suggest to address that?
Finally, how does this affect the main article title? The phrase used for there is "Nazi Germany"; is that to be similarly banned? Xyl 54 (talk) 21:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
The conversion was going to go on forever unless someone closed it. The arguments were presented. Your suggestions are fine. The phrase "Nazi Germany" is not affected. I'll be the first one to resist any attempts at whitewashing the Kriegsmarine. I do not believe that this will open any floodgates, and have faith that our normal review processes will quash any revisionist editing attempts. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
This articles are good article nominees nominated by me.I have seen you have promoted many articles to GA status. It would be of great help if you review the articles.Thanks a lot!.
Hey Hawk, I finished my ce and review of Australia women's national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics. What fun. I will definitely check out the Paralympics in '16. I was doing some surfing around, and saw that one of the competitions is sitting volleyball! Very very cool. We Americans are so ridiculous about what sports are broadcast here. I really am a fan of figure skating, and I get so frustrated all the time! Anyway, take care of the naming conventions, and I'll pass it to GA. Good on ya, mate! ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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There was a typo in the GAN template that I cleaned up when I assessed it. So now the GAN page shows me as the nominator. You might want to fix that.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:29, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that. Well, no real matter unless I want to claim points for both writing and reviewing the article for the Cup ;-) Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:11, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
...it said "Don't be a dick" on your userpage. In big letters too.
Look, you know perfectly well that:
There's a community RfC running on the question of whether the Wikipediocracy DYK should be promoted. It's open and FWIW right now it's running 2-1 against.
And User:Titodutta, properly, put the process on hold until the RfC is completed.
And there's also a discussion (not a formal RfC) over the question of whether the RfC is valid and in process. It's open and FWIW right now it's running 3-0 in favor.
It sure looks like you don't give a rat's ass about any of that, because you did this. Hmmmm, could that be classified as "A ______ move?" I'm trying to do think of a good word to go in the blank there. Maybe you could help me out.
Why did you do this? Could you explain this please? Maybe I'm missing something here.
It looks like an attempt at a coup de main to me. I don't much care for that. I'm seriously mad about this. We'll see how it turns out. Maybe you'll "win" and if so hurrah for you, or maybe not. I guess we're going to find out, probably the hard way I suppose.
BTW and FWIW, I don't actually care a great deal about the outcome of the case, on the merits, and I think you could most probably carry the day and get the DYK through on the merits. That's not important. What's important is that the Wikipedia runs properly and as intended. Herostratus (talk) 20:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
I would classify it more as a mistake, not an "asshole move". I don't perceive Hawkeye7 as one of the COI-problematic WO contributors trying to railroad this through the process, so we can AGF rather more, in my opinion. (I reserve the right to be wrong!) My perception is backed up by the fact that Hawkeye, unlike some of the WO people, has not edit-warred to reinstate this when it was reasonably objected to.
If someone takes particular pride in not being a "dick", it's potentially problematic to lecture them at length as to how you think they are one :P --
Articles nominated for deletion will not be used unless they have survived the deletion process. The DYK nomination was placed on hold pending the outcome of the AfD. When this was closed, I moved it on. George Ho put it on hold again - quite rightly - when the AfD was reopened. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:31, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Oops, I misread Tito Dutta's comment, which was "On hold until the DYK is completed", I had read it as "on hold until the RfC is completed", and I thought Hawkeye7 was ignoring that. So I was out of line to vent on Hawkeye7 in that manner. Sorry, my misreading, really sorry for that, and I'll give you (Hawkeye7) the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't realize that there was an RfC on the matter.
So: Hawkeye7, there's a community RfC on the matter of whether the DYK should go forward. Sorry you missed that. The DYK needs to halt, except for such technical moves (if any) that may be required to prep the DYK for presentation if and when the RfC is accepted. I'm a little rusty on DYK procedures, so if "moving to prep area 3" is just some technical thing and everyone is clear that the DYK needs to not move to point of being published until the RfC is accepted then we're all in agreement and I'm a jerk. (Since a DYK is time-driven and I had to log off to wash my scrod, I wanted to make sure I got my points across quickly, and that's why I didn't double-check Tito Dutta's comment or look up what moving to prep area 3 means. Again, sorry.)
So, just to clarify, we're all on the same page here, the DYK won't be published until the RfC is accepted. Right? (If that's not the case, that would be Very Bad Mojo indeed and I need to know that right away. thanks.)
Just in the unlikely case that we're not all in agreement here, that would mean (I guess) that somebody thinks that the RfC against the DYK is isn't operative, which a couple of civilians have suggested (with no really cogently presented argument that I can discern), but this is clearly wrong since A) it sure doesn't say that anywhere, and B) I asked if should say that anywhere (at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment#Question re RfC on main page issues. which I've advertised) and so far all I'm getting is "no", and C) anyway of course RfC's are allowed on various matters of concern to the community. (We get stuff like this all the time of course -- three people argue at (say) Wikipedia talk:Romanization of Russian that all instances of "Aleksandr" should be changed to "Eleksèndr" or something for some technical reason, they decide 2-1 to do that and then do it, somebody notices this, and RfC is opened to get wider community input where it would probably be pointed out that 100% of useful English sources render Алекса́ндр as Aleksandr (or else Alexander) and it's voted 17-2 to not do that and the Bob's your uncle.)
So, again, sorry. I'm just paranoid because unlike the Алекса́ндр example above there's a time element, so it makes me nervous because there hasn't been an unambiguous signal from DYK World HQ that DYK will be held off for the time being. I should trust you guys more, though. Herostratus (talk) 02:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Movement to the prep area is just another step along the path to the front page; but articles are not normally left in the prep area if they are subject to an AfD. The article will not be moved to a prep area again so long as the AfD remains open. As for the RfC, my understanding is they can indeed be raised on any matter, but do not change the rules unless the are passed. So while I am willing to undertake not to promote the article to a prep area until the RfC is closed, unlike with the AfD, I cannot speak for everyone. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
It's here, but I mischaracterized it again, as you wrote "On hold until the DYK discussion is completed." OMG, TMA (too many acronyms). DYK not DRV. OK, so you wrote "DYK discussion" which I guess refers to the RfC. So it is on hold for that. So OK, it probably shouldn't have been moved prep area 3, but that was just a mistake. It's a confusing intersection of two procedures here. I'm going to take a nap and go to work before I mistake any more TLA (three-letter acroymns) for one another. Herostratus (talk) 18:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Erm. That was noticed not only by you, but the Tri-County Water Commission, who ordered that my hands be duct-taped into oven mitts to prevent further serial ignorance on my part (God knows why they have authority to do this, but apparently they do); I'm having to dictate this to my cat, which obviously limits the length of my reply. Herostratus (talk) 01:57, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
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I've begun the GA review for Johanna Welin. This looks close to ready to go, but I'd like your thoughts on a few small points. Thanks for your work on it! -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
If I recall correctly you mentioned having "resources" locally. The AWM has some information and there are traces elsewhere dealing with both pre WWII and immediate post war activities of ships attempting to provide logistics support in Australia to both the Philippines and ABDA followed by the "base Australia" buildup. I am doing some general stuff in that area—from the South Pacific LOC to the short lived Bataan/Corregidor and ABDA support—and I am putting some "fallout" here; most recently USAT Don Esteban. I have quite a bit of the U.S. view and sources, including AUSTRALIA IN THE WAR OF 1939-1945, but perhaps your sources could expand on that look? Palmeira (talk) 19:08, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, from the looks of your talk page you have quite a number of significant WP accomplishments already, but let me add what congratulations I can on the Stanislaw Ulam article. As I mentioned at the beginning of review process, this is my first attempt at applying the GA criteria. Before I started I knew nothing about Stan Ulam, Monte Carlo, Teller-Ulam design... the list goes on to almost the length and breadth of Ulam's accomplishments. I am better-informed now and I'd like to think better overall for the experience. I believe I have followed all the instructions correctly, but if I've missed a step, please let me know on my talk page. I've enjoyed working with you on this article and wish you continued success on your projects. Dictioneer (talk) 20:44, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Oz post-noms
[7]There are no post-nominals for honorary awards, so it is pointless including them here - Hear hear!
Is there a downside to / What is the downside to removing the others? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, Hawkeye7. I see you keep an eye on practically wrote the MacArthur article yourself. An edit was made on 7 May that doesn't quite conform to article style, imho. It's in the third paragraph of "Chief of staff" and is a parenthesis starting (In 1967, Eisenhower . . . .)
Here is my re-write and re-do of the notes and ref:
When Eisenhower told MacArthur he had orders from Hoover instructing MacArthur not to cross the Anacostia River to the marchers' camp, MacArthur responded: "I don't want to hear them and I don't want to see them" and then crossed the river.[1][2]
I would have done it myself but the article is restricted and I'm editing anonymously these days. Hope you can use my edits. Thanks! --108.45.72.196 (talk) 18:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I've removed this edit. Apart from the fact that the style is not what we use on the Wikipedia, it has some problems:
Ricks is not a historian. He does provide a reference though, which is good.
Unfortunately, we cannot see it. We do know that James and other historians have seen and rejected it.
We do not know why precisely, but we do know that it does not match the recollections of others who were present.
Notably, we know that Hoover was quite pleased that the Army crossed the river, and that a number of historians have concluded that he did order MacArthur to do it.
We also know that some historians, notably Stephen Ambrose, got badly burned listening to Eisenhower in this period.
Thank you, Hawkeye7, for your thorough response. I appreciate it. Your removal of the edit is, of course, correct, for all the reasons you've given. I hate to think of Ike being vindictive, but maybe it was payback for Mac's remark that Eisenhower was the best clerk he ever had! They were both great generals. Thanks. --108.45.72.196 (talk) 01:47, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Douglas MacArthur, suggestion #2, First Captain redlink
Hi, again. Can't we wikilink First Captain to the section of the U.S. Military Academy article that explains what it is: [8]? Also, I wonder if it should be capitalized. Thanks for your time. --108.45.72.196 (talk) 18:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Originally a wikipedian who knew a number of First Captains personally was going to write an article on it. It would be nice to have a List of First Captains. I've created a redirect to the West Point article. Hopefully someone will write the article one day. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Hawkeye7. I see your change in the article, but the revision history page isn't updating for me; it's still on June 10 at 13:06. Forget this remark. I now see how your creation of a redirect won't be recorded in the article's revision history. --108.45.72.196 (talk) 22:32, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, though I'm confused since it appears you used the wrong DYK. Were you trying to use this? . Ominae (talk) 11:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
It means that the prep areas are currently full, so we have to wait a few hours until they move to the staging areas before another set of articles can be assembled. This will likely be done by an editor in another time zone. It is unlikely that the picture will be used in the very next slot, because the editors who assemble the prep areas like to vary the type of picture run on the front page, and not have multiple shots of people in a row. So the next couple of prep areas will probably be of buildings or plants or the like. In assembling a prep area, we try to create a mix of regions and subjects. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:36, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Oops then sorry for the request, I just read a guideline which says I have to upload it to en wiki from commons and then protect it etc, etc. It is better then to not have any picture at all. Sorry for trouble. Solomon796822:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
No, no. That is all done for you. You don't need to do anything. However, there is only one picture per set, and six non-picture hooks, so there is more competition for the picture hook. Hawkeye7 (talk)
Hello Hawkeye7, 5 days have passed since, Ivan Borgman DYK was excepted by another editor but again reverted by yet another editor. Can you take a look please. Thanks. The Legend of Zorro21:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
DYK for William R. Purnell
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Hi
The Science Museum in London have agreed to release 50 of it's images (at a medium resolution) under a Wikimedia compatible license, do you know of any apart from the neutron detector you would want to be available? Feel free to give me a list if you like. The 2 websites that the images would be available from are:
I couldn't see the first group due to an error. From the second I would like the release of portraits of the 20th Century physicists and chemists. And the one of the cyclotron. Hans Geiger's early Geiger counter. Cockroft and Walton's accelerator. Philip's million volt particle accelerator. What a gold mine. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes I think the server is down for one site today, I've started a list on my talk page, please add any you would like to that (I don't want to pick the wrong ones due to ignorance) and ask others who might be interested if you like, I'd like this to be a very good 50. --
Thanks very much for your list, Collections Online is back up (the website that was broken yesterday), feel free to add more if you like, I'd like to get over 50 just in case there are problems with some. --
It looked like it had two reviews; the only point in the second one was about the clickable map, which has nothing to do with DYK. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hey there! Can you take another look at the above nomination? The reviewers opted for ALT2, but the initial hook was added to the queue. Just thought I would give a heads up. Thanks! Cindy(talk)09:39, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Hawkye -- I see on the Category deletion page that you have strong views on deletion of the category, and although I disagree, I can see your point. I've explained my views there, and I hope you can see that I'm not pushing POV. In any case, it's not neighborly to remove the category on your own hook from individual pages before the discussion is finished. I'd be happy with an adjusted category name if it accomplished what I looked for, that is, bringing together articles which benefit from being considered together. I hope that you would agree that military history in general benefits from being included in general categories, bringing civilian and military aspects to enrich each other. Just a friendly and respectful suggestion! ch (talk) 01:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks for the deletion. Also, as a side benefit, thanks to this discussion, I followed your contribution list to some informative articles you have worked on. Wikipedia is truly educational in its depth of coverage on seemingly out of the ways topics because of folks like you. ch (talk) 16:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Um, I didn't approve that hook. I raised concerns about the article and hook; I suggested a possible rewording; and the article's author supported my rewording. I don't think it should be approved until the nonsense about "Miami's WPOW Rhythmic Top 40 PD Kid Curry" is resolved in the article. --Orlady (talk) 20:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Hawkeye7, and thanks for your message.
To be quite honest, I'm all a little bit overawed: I've been messaged by an awesome content contributor (ie: your good self)!!!
I'm not really familiar with DYK reviewing. And by that I mean, "I have no clue at all about DYK reviewing". I'll try my best.
Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 11:12, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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We are down to our final 16: the 2013 semi-finals are upon us. A score of 321 was required to survive round 3, further cementing this as the most competitive WikiCup yet; round 3 was survived in 2012 with 243 points, in 2011 with 76 points and in 2010 with 250 points. The change may in part be to do with the fact that more articles are now awarded bonus points, in addition to more competitive play. Reaching the final has, in the past, required 573 points (2012, a 135% increase on the score needed to reach round 4), 150 points (2011, a 97% increase) and 417 points (2010, a 72% increase). This round has seen over a third of participants claiming points for featured articles (with seven users claiming for multiple featured articles) and most users have also gained bonus points. However, the majority of points continue to come from good articles, followed by did you know articles. In this round, every content type was utilised by at least one user, proving that the WikiCup brings together content contributors from all corners of the project.
Round 3 saw a number of contributions of note.
Boletus luridus
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Hi. I have nominated Majura Parkway for GA. I tried to address all the feedback in the failed review at Talk:Majura Parkway/GA1, and double checked to make sure it complied with GA criteria. As I'm a still learning contributor as far as GAs go, and I know you have a lot of experience with GAs/FACs. I was wondering if you could review Majura Parkway. (I have also asked User:TonyTheTiger, User:Wizardman and User:Nick-D if they could review.) I would like to improve my ability to get through GA faster, increase my understanding of the GA criteria, and would appreciate a comprehensive review. -- Nbound (talk) 11:17, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
of Physics, and hired distinguished physicists including [Milton S. Livingston|Stanley Livingston]], [[Robert Bacher]] and [[Hans Bethe]], who later won the [[Nobel Prize in Physics]] for his work
the [[American Association for the Advancement of Science]], of which he was vice-president in 1945). He was also a member of [[Phi Kappa Phi]], and was its president for a time too.<ref name="
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session at the [[University of California, Berkeley]] at the invitation of Robert Oppenheimer], which discussed the first designs for the [[atomic bomb]].{{sfn|Brown|Lee|2009|p=13}} Initially,
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In April 1941, along with [[Vannevar Bush]], head of the wartime [[National Defense Research Committee (NDRC), created a special committee headed by Compton to report
I am just wondering, why didn't you use the picture on Victoria Pōmare's nomination? I kind of take offense that it wasn't used and that Victoria Pōmare's DYK was simply used to round off/complete that prep section. I thought the process of picking which DYK goes where was more sophiscated than picking and choosing. It is a great illustration of the Pōmare family and in my opinion better than this thing. Sorry I am sounding a bit angry. Do I need to mention every time in my nominations that I would like the image to be used? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:47, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Assembling the prep areas involves a lot of juggling. Each has only one picture hook and six other hooks. These have to be balanced so that there are not too many biographical hooks, or too many US-related hooks. We try to have the lead pic hook as a substantial article if possible, and/or with a striking picture, and the last article is supposed to be relatively light is tone. Because articles with pictures account for more than one in seven submissions, some have to run without their images. So yes, I needed a light hook, and I didn't know if I'd be back to complete the prep area in time otherwise. I do agree with you about the other picture; it is rather similar to a better one we ran last week, so I had passed over it a few times. Anyhow, I had some time in my lunch break, so I put another article in and placed yours in another prep area with the image. Now I have to fill in two prep areas tonight unless someone else steps up. You can help by adding a reference in the article to Ward & Gooch 1922. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for the barnstar. I assume the Battle of Prokhorovka will require some more copy editing to meet GAC standards. I know my formal writing skills is kind of subpar, but I can't find any place on wikipedia to request for "professional" copy editing. I did a quick Google search and came upon "Guild of Copy Editors", but they have a backlog of like 30 articles. Do you know any other place on Wiki that are actively taking requests for copy editing? EyeTruth (talk) 01:47, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
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Hawkeye7, I was wondering if you could stop by and confirm whether you've reviewed (and approved?) the late addition of the egg taphonomy article to the multi-article hook: it doesn't have an individual tick next to the article name, which leads me to believe you might not have noticed its belated inclusion. Abyssal seems to have incorporated a citation from the second source in the article, which answers the other of my concerns when I thought to promote it but couldn't. (If you haven't yet reviewed it, could you?) Thank you very much! BlueMoonset (talk) 22:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Theft of The Weeping Woman from the National Gallery of Victoria
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Gday Hawkeye7. Have a query about this sentence from Australian Voluntary Hospital: "For a time, the Australian Voluntary Hospital was the only Australian presence on the Western Front, but in April 1914, Australian Army units began arriving from the Middle East in large numbers." Is April 1914 correct? I thought the AIF didn't start arriving until 1916? Could you possibly check your sources to confirm? Thanks again. Anotherclown (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that Hawkeye meant 1916, and have just made this change. The article is rather impressive BTW. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 00:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
I had not forgotten, but I had not gotten it done yet either. Could we put it off to next quarter?
Invitation to participate in an interview in The Bugle newsletter
Hi, In the upcoming edition of The Bugle Ian and I would like to run an interview with editors who have an interest in military history topics and are also active in Wikimedia chapters about their experiences with the chapter(s). If you're interested in participating, I'd appreciate it if you could respond to some or all of the questions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/News/July 2013/Interview by Monday 22 July. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 11:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi mate, we'd like to get the Bugle out in the next day or so, so if you'd like to respond, best do it quick... ;-) Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
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ALT1 was the hook approved. I would change it myself, but I'm not sure if I can since I'm the one who started the article. SL93 (talk) 13:18, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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I don't normally assess articles on the American Rebellion, because I don't know enough about it to judge how complete the coverage is. But since you've asked, I've assessed it for you. Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
Hey Hawkeye! Thanks for reviewing my DYK nom. Unfortunately, BlueMoonset decided to strike out the hook; I've now added two alternative ones. Could you please take another look? Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:13, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
For your continuous, high-quality contributions to nuclear physics topics, most recently bringing Glenn T. Seaborg to Good Article status. Thanks, and keep up the good work! -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:40, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Hey Hawk, since you reviewed All God's Children Need Traveling Shoes, would you mind taking a look at the most recent Angelou article I've submitted for FAC? [11] Thanks, it would be muchly appreciated. Dude, I see that you've passed by me in the dust in the Wikicup! Yikes! Actually, I didn't expect to get into Round 4, so I'm pretty happy to progressed this far. But it would be really cool if I actually got into the finals, not that I expect to win or anything. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 20:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Will do. I don't think either of us would have much hope of making the final round if we were in the other pool. But as it is, you're still in with a chance. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:33, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Hawkwye7, since your improvement of the article
Operation Showdown and cost Democrat the election in 1952. I do have to admit that even through most of User:NumbiGate's argument seems to be purely based on his own personal interpretations of the event and I cannot find any political scientist that make the same claim, he did grasp the basic facts and made a convincing argument that Van Fleet could be demoralized/desperate enough to do something rash in the fall of 1952. What is your expert opinion on the conflict between Van Fleet's and Truman and the impact on Operation Showdown? Is there some sources I can look into to further explore the topic in detail? Jim101 (talk) 22:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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I don't really feel up to reviewing the article, but just a quick though- perhaps the lead could do with expanding to summarise the contents of the article? J Milburn (talk) 20:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
WikiCup 2013 July newsletter
We're halfway through this year's penultimate round, and the competition is moving along well. Pool A's
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good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Charles Critchfield for things which need to be addressed. Best, Corvus coronoidestalk15:41, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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The University of Wollongong class participation on English Wikinews wound up as the semester ended, and a new class has started with the new semester. The instructor has created a presentation about the class on Wikinews that can be found at StudentsInWikinews.
A member of The Wikinewsie Group met with a GLAM partner about the value of English Wikinews and Wikinoticias for freely sharing knowledge about culture.
Technical updates
Pi zero has moved to a new phase in the development of an improved reviewing tool for English Wikinews.
Gryllida is working on the development of a tool to make translating material from one project to another easier. The new beta wmtrans translation tool here, which you can use to translate Wikipedia and Wikinews articles from one language to another. Its difference from the Meta translation tools is include the the ability to translate an article as a whole, per-paragraph, and add new paragraphs if desired; a dictionary box for you to look up geographical names without loading entire Wikipedia pages; and whole-page translation philosophy instead of translating by parts. The tool also features a multilingual interface; you can add new sections to data.ini to add your own. You are encouraged to send them, and bug reports, to Gryllida.
Discussions have been going on behind the scenes about the potential for The Wikinewsie Group to support the technical aspects for Wikinews project development following suggestions on Wikimedia-l that this would be a place chapters could demonstrate leadership potential and work with the Foundation. There are currently a number of developers active in the Wikinews community.
Research
Given feedback by a member of the Wikimedia Foundation Board (Samuel Klien) that the English language project should consider content import from other free news sources as a way of increasing community participation, content output and traffic, research was done inside the community using another language project as a baseline to determine the potential impact in terms of achieving those goals. A copy of this research can be found at Research:Wikinews Content Import Analysis. In a nutshell, the findings are: content import did not result in increased community output or increased community size. Content import also resulted in fewer page views per published article. Content import was not successful at achieving a positive community or traffic related impact.
A tiny piece of research done examining relative article popularity by year on English Wikinews can found at Article rank and article date. More in-depth research along these lines may produce interesting results.
Across the languages
Over on Italian Wikinews on July 25, they hit 30,000 total pages.
English Wikinews completed elections for their Arbitration Committee. Brian McNeil, Pi zero, Mikemoral, LauraHale, RockerballAustralia, and William S. Saturn were elected to the one year position.
Brian McNeil — currently at the Edinburgh Fringe — is sharing a variety of video clips via English Wikinews'Facebook page. Copyright restrictions prevent most of these media files being uploaded to Commons; fair-use on Wikinews itself requires legal advice beforehand.
Two members of the The Wikinewsie Group provisional board attend the IRC meeting on July 26 for the Program Evaluation and Design as the board begins to think about and conducts its own evaluation of efforts to increase content and increase community participation. They observed the August 1 metrics meeting.
Why Wikinews? Editorials on why people support and contribute to Wikinews projects
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to study at the [[Niels Bohr Institute]] in [[Copenhagen]], where he met [[Werner Heisenberg]], [[Hans Kramers], [[Wolfgang Pauli]], [[Georg von Hevesy]], and [[John C. Slater|John Slater]]. At
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In March 1940, [Arthur Compton]], [[Vannevar Bush]], [[James B. Conant]], [[Karl T. Compton]], and [[Alfred Lee Loomis]] travelled
War II]] in Europe, Lawrence became drawn into military projects. He helped recruit staff for the {{MIT Radiation Laboratory]], where American physicists developed the [[cavity magnetron]] invented by Oliphant's team in
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Strzelecki was the {Polish explorer who named Mount Kosciuszko. I couldn't remember him name . Names that ring a bell? Um, Magda Szubanski. She was at the University of Melbourne while I was there. She was a couple of years ahead of me. Until I read the article, I didn't know we were both on It's Academic. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
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For your devoted efforts closing MilHist A-Class Reviews, including six in the blink of an eye just now! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
So I didn't get into the finals of the Wikicup, despite the fact that this article successfully passed to FA. Ah well, I learned a lot from the process and there's always next year. Anyway, I've started a discussion about a suggestion made during this FAC (User talk:Figureskatingfan/Sesame Street Sandbox 2). There hasn't been any discussion about it, probably because no one is aware of it, so I thought that I'd try and elicit involvement. If you have an opinion, please go and express it. Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
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Just wanted to say thanks for your time and advice and for upgrading the article to B Class. Am not sure whether to nominate it for GA or FA. I'm inclined to go for FA, as the article seems to be a corner-store article in naval history, as the battle between the Monitor and the Virgina marked a turning point in naval history in terms of how warships were built and battles fought. Still waiting for an image on that page, proposed for deletion, to have its fate decided. Can't nominate an article with an image in dispute. Again, thanks for your time and advice. -- Gwillhickers18:20, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
WikiCup 2013 August newsletter
This year's final is upon us. Our final eight, in order of last round's score, are:
Hawkeye7 (submissions), a WikiCup newcomer who has contributed on topics of military history and physics, including a number of high-importance topics. Good articles have made up the bulk of his points, but he has also scored a great deal of bonus points. He has the second highest score overall so far, with more than 3000 points accumulated.
Casliber (submissions), another WikiCup veteran who reached the finals in 2012, 2011 and 2010. He writes on a variety of topics including botany, mycology and astronomy, and has claimed the highest or joint highest number of featured articles every round so far this year. He has the third highest score overall, with just under 3000 points accumulated.
Cwmhiraeth (submissions), 2012 WikiCup champion, who writes mostly on marine biology. She has also contributed to high-importance topics, seeing huge numbers of bonus points for high-importance featured and good articles. Previous rounds have seen her scoring the most bonus points, with scoring spread across did you knows, good articles and featured articles.
Sasata (submissions), a WikiCup veteran who finished in second place in 2012, and competed as early as 2009. He writes articles on biology, especially mycology, and has scored highly for a number of collaborations at featured article candidates.
Naval history
, and he has scored a very large number of points for good articles and good article reviews in every round. He is the highest scorer overall this year, with over 3500 points in total.
Ealdgyth (submissions), who is competing in the WikiCup for the second time, though this will be her first time in the final. A regular at FAC, she is mostly interested in British medieval history, and has scored very highly for some top-importance featured articles on the topic.
Miyagawa (submissions), a finalist in 2012 and 2011. He writes on a broad variety of topics, with many of this year's points coming from good articles about Star Trek. Good articles make up the bulk of his points, and he had the most good articles back in round 2; he was also the highest scorer for DYK in rounds 1 and 2.
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work leading to featured picture credits, but has also done some article writing and reviewing.
This last month has seen some incredible contributions; for instance, Cwmhiraeth's Starfish and Ealdgyth's Battle of Hastings—two highly important, highly viewed pages—made it to featured article status. It would be all too easy to focus solely on these stunning achievements at the expense of those participants working in lower-scoring areas, when in fact all WikiCup participants are doing excellent work. A mention of everything done is impossible, but here are a few: Last round saw the completion of several good topics (on the 1958, 1959 and 1962 Atlantic hurricane seasons) to which 12george1 had contributed. Calvin999 saw "S&M" (song), on which he has been working for several years, through to featured article status on its tenth try. Figureskatingfan continued towards her goal of a broad featured/good topic on Maya Angelou, with two featured and four good articles. ThaddeusB contributed significantly to over 20 articles which appeared on the main page's "in the news" section. Adam Cuerden continued to restore a large number of historical images, resulting in over a dozen FP credits this round alone. The WikiCup is not just about top-importance featured articles, and the work of all of these users is worthy of commendation.
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a plutonium gun-type design of this sort, known as the "[[Thin Man (nuclear bomb)|Thin Man]]" bomb) was worked on for some time during the Manhattan Project.
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A few of the provisional board members had intense discussions about the preferred research practices to inform key decision making in regards to developing the most effective programming with the goals of 1) working with educators to instill core journalistic values, 2) engage in quality original reporting that can be shared across projects, and 3) improve the diversity and quantity of the current contributor base to Wikinews projects. The ideal research often depends on context, but that in doing on project related work, action research is probably the ideal as it is an outcome improvement driven approach.
In further regards to research methodologies, three of the provisional board members read The art, science and mystery of nonprofit news assessment by the Investigative Reporting Workshop. This document discusses some of the challenges non-profit related journalism sites have in assessment as it pertains to their own reporting. A discussion was also held regarding the issue of information anonymization when it comes to any research being conducted by The Wikinewsie Group using on Wikinews publicly accessible information, content and data. Sources looked at and discussed included Researching the public web and Forum Guide to Data Ethics. There is a feeling by some of the provisional board members that the WMF, through the Grants programs and the Program Evaluation and Design group need to provide greater guidance regarding what sort of information collection and analysis is expected, what privacy guidelines will be expected, what will be publicly expected, what will be privately expected, if these match and how to handle any discrepancy between these guidelines. At the same time, documentation for the WMF as it pertains to outcomes needs to be clear as to the audience and objectives in conducting the research. These issues become vitally important as increasing contributor output research differs from research focused on providing an environment to encourage best practices for journalists, with a goal of bringing more educators to the project to assist in accomplishing this goal.
Brian Keegan talked about newswork on Wikipedia from a Wikipedia perspective (that ignores definitions of news) and failed to acknowledge the importance of original reporting and citizen driven journalism in his negative critique of Wikinews. At the same time, he failed to acknowledge the lack of investment by the Wikimedia Foundation in supporting Wikinews and other sister projects in strategically growing and supporting the Foundation's mission.
Technology
Given the issues with spying on government listening to communications, Scoop will be 'deprecated', and the recipients list trimmed back progressively have the membership list culled to make sure only reviewers and accredited reports have access to reporter notes for story verification. A new mailbox will be set up for incoming material that needs the attention of reviewers. [14]
On English Wikinews, a draft has been started at Wikinews:Visual Editor to let the Visual Editor team know some of the issues involved in working on bringing VE live to the project. This is vitally important to be done right and that VE works with the only main entrance point to writing new articles, because if done without considering the gateway, it would create massive technical problems that would like make it impossible for article review for publication to be completed.
On English Wikinews, efforts are underway to see about using DPL to sort images by date and to better highlight featured articles that appear in a category by calling them out seperately. This is likely to be a long term, wikignome type activity. [15]
A bug was fixed in wmtran, the translation helper tool, to correct URLs of preview wiki-links. Relevant contact information is now also available at the tool page header.
Reporting
On English Wikinews, there has been a substantial amount of original reporting done in the past 18 months that involved the uploading both local multimedia and multimedia to Commons. An effort is underway to categorize these images locally better highlight the original reporting of the multimedia including type. It will also provide easier access for reporter to file photos for re-use in other articles. The major category work was done on 2012 Summer Paralympics.
Following Jimmy Wales's speech at Wikimania, The Wikinewsie Group reached out to him via e-mail to see how we could work with to accomplish his stated aims in the context of our proposed organization. There are a number of shared goals, including making it possible for Wikinews contributors to do original reporting full time on the project. Susequently, he has been engaging in dialog with several English Wikinews reporter on his Wikinews talk page.
A survey has been created to better understand the existing original reporting costs associated with current Wikinews production. Reporters across all languages who have contributed to original reporting on any language Wikinews project reported on in our newsletter have been pinged on their talk pages asking them to complete the survey. Three different language projects have been notified of the survey on Facebook. The survey has also been linked to on Twitter. The goal of the survey is to be able to understand the value of original reporting, where money is currently being spent and by whom, and to have data that will better enable The Wikinewsie Group and project volunteer reporters to apply for grants related to conducting more original reporting. Survey results are currently being processed with a plan of having some research published for reference in the next newsletter.
Opinion pieces
For our next newsletter, we are encouraging Wikinewsies to define news and how Wikinews provides it.
The following is a list of all original reporting done on Wikinews projects from August 1, 2013 to August 31, 2013. Includes a new language edition, Serbian Wikinews.
Ukrainian
See also: Авторський репортаж. The wiki uses nothing for the publish process.
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The Science Museum have released 50 images and I've added them to commons (a few more to be added tomorrow), there's some really amazing stuff in there. Hopefully if they're widely used they'll release more.
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Well its taken since 2007 but you have the monumental total of 100 DYKs which is no mean feat. All those articles about the Canberra Capitals, Basketball, water polo, Olympians and Paralympians. I have been worried that all these sporting articles were undermining the Wikipedian stereotype for geekiness!! However I see from your last few DYKs that you are writing about Physics and Nobel prize winners. Much better. These are much more appropriate to our image :-) Seriously though, well done! Not only DYKs but GAs and FAs.... thanks from me, the DYK project and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 10:58, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
DYK for George T. Reynolds
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I was interested to read the article about starspots, never having heard the term. Your biography was interesting. I have been to Mount Stromlo and Siding Springs. Thank you for recording this interesting life. Nerlost (talk) 23:24, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Glad you found it interesting! I frequently ride the bike around Mount Stromlo, as recently as last week. Unfortunately, the old observatory burned down in the fires of 2003. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:25, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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On a more personal note, it was great to work with you on Enrico Fermi, and I hope that that article becomes featured. I don't expect you to spend much energy on Harold Urey until the Fermi FAC is closed, and that's fine. I don't mind holding this GAN open for longer than usual, if necessary. – Quadell(talk)16:37, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
I have finished my review and placed the nomination on hold. There are some minor changes or clarifications which need to be addressed. If these are fixed, the article will pass; otherwise it will fail. I figure you can have 7 days past whenever the Fermi FAC is closed; does that seem fair? All the best, – Quadell(talk)20:27, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Just as a heads-up, I will be out of town and away from all internet access from early Saturday the 21st until late Monday the 23rd, and the book-ending Friday and Tuesday are dodgy as well. So if you leave comments regarding this review during that time, I won't be able to get back with you until Tuesday or Wednesday at the earliest. All the best, – Quadell(talk)18:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
One of your edit comments on Douglas MacArthur is "WMF wants all image sizes hard coded to support the new Visual Editor (sigh)". Where do they say that? Is it a suggestion, guideline or policy somewhere? (Hohum@) 17:24, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
It came about because of
this exchange regarding the Visual Editor. Basically, WMF wanted the sizes hard coded to make life easier the Visual Editor. There was a reaction against this from some editors, including myself, resulting in WMF subsequently accepting it as a bug. Last time I looked though, it had not been fixed. In the interim, I changed a couple of articles, but stopped when it was accepted as a bug. If and when it gets fixed, and the Visual Editor honours the default, I'll switch the image thumbs in those articles back to using the default. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:13, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
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Enrico Fermi FA Nomination
Hi Hawkeye,
I can see you've addressed most of my comments, but the more substantive ones about expanding the article and the detail offered about key points in Fermi's scientific career have been left aside. You've done a lot of the work on the article so you might not be so keen to go into them and I don't want burden you with too much, so would you mind if I had a go at the sections I feel could use a bit of work/expansion this week? Unus Multorum (talk) 11:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
We don't have a lot of time before the delegates fail the article. Perhaps until the end of the week. I've already lost a month, but if I withdraw it myself instead of letting it fail then that will save me two weeks. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:27, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Katie Hill for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wizardman -- Wizardman(talk)16:12, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
G'day, in recognition of your successful election as a co-ordinator of the Military History project for the next year, please accept these co-ord stars. I look forward to working with you over the next year. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 06:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Paul Tibbets
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Ernest Lawrence
Hi! I had a look at the Ernest Lawrence as a part of the DYK process and found two duplicate links - I went ahead and disambiguated those, but could you please verify that I haven't messed up any of them?--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:56, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
The second piece of research about Wikinews reporting was published, Itemizing the cost of Wikinews reporting. It was not published on the research namespace on meta because it has little application for chapters and thematic organizations as a whole, except possibly in trying to determine how to evaluate budgets submitted by Wikinews reporters for the purposes of grant making.
Education
On English Wikinews, supporters of The Wikinewsie Group requested the installation of the Education Program extension. This will facilitate having university courses participate on the project and make it easier for TWG to work with other groups like the Wiki Education Foundation.[19][20] The extension was installed and as an example and way to engage new contributors,a course for new reporters was created. Feedback on the course or anyone interested in running a high school or university course on Wikinews is encouraged to get in touch with The Wikinewsie Group.
Original reporting
Media accreditation has been attained for the 2014 Winter Paralympics. Planning is underway to insure the success of the original reporting event[21] and build on the success of the 2012 Summer Paralympics.[22] Success at the 2014 Winter Paralympics will go a long way towards helping The Wikinewsie Group secure accreditation for the 2016 Summer Olympics. If any individuals, chapters or thematic organizations are interested in assisting us with this and integrating it into existing outreach efforts to people with disabilities, please get in touch Laura Hale.
Outreach
A discussion took place on IRC about how Wikinews's definitions of journalism are very much tied into the workflow for Wikinews. [23] Thus, for many Wikinewsies, it is difficult to discuss the concept of what journalism is in a project context without it being seen as a fundamental discussion on project workflow. When people come in from the outside and offer advice, they are often seen as fundamentally criticizing the project's workflow without having any conceptualization they are doing that while fundamentally acting in good faith. In working with outsiders who are offering assistance, there needs to be a better method of articulating that the two, definition or journalism and Wikinews workflow, are one and the same. This could theoretically assist in less hostility, and enabling greater shared understanding that will allow participants to talk with each other instead of past each other.
Wikimetrics may be useful for assisting people in measuring education program impact, GLAM related programming and other outreach endeavors. For projects with flagged revisions or where articles are deleted/userified if they do not get published, the only really useable current available metric is pages created. Any analysis using this tool should wait until all content has been delete/userified because of too many false positives that suggest content was published when it was not. Additional information can be found at Programs:Resources.
Several language Wikinews projects which tweet out links other than to their news archives have started tagging their articles with the local language word for Wikinews. This makes it easier to find their reporting content, and for others to retweet their content. The Wikinewsie Group Twitter account made this request to better promote the work being done by local projects.
Technical
Wikinewsie.org e-mail is being cleaned up. All e-mail boxes which are 100% full have been deleted. Users who have set their accounts to forward to "untrustworthy" sites have been cautioned against doing so or those rules have been modified and reset with random values by the server administrator for them. People are reminded they should not be forwarding their e-mails to Google or Yahoo accounts. A strong possibility exists that this implementation may have been overly zealous so if a user is experiencing difficulties, please get in touch.[24]
Three potential technical projects for Wikinews were listed on the possible projects for mentorship programs on Mediawiki. They include a request for a mobile reporting tool, a mobile Wikinews application, and a machine assisted translation tool. [25]
Server upgrades and fixes continue for the Wikinewsie server. Details available here.
The wmtran tool has a new interface translation, to German, thanks to Huon.
For reporters
Reporters are encouraged to get an orcid, which can be displayed on their userpage. (Example) This could be useful in improving chances of getting grants, getting recognition for your reporting and promoting your work.
The Wikinewsie Group is looking for New York City based Wikimedia contributors who would be interested in getting published on Wikinews with the goal of getting media accreditation to the United Nations.[26] Please get in touch with Laura Hale or pi zero if you would like more information.
Original report
All original reporting done across Wikinews between September 1 and October 1, 2013. If this list is incomplete, please report that to Gryllida. Thank you to all Wikinews reporters and translators who have done original reporting. Please continue your good work.
Ukrainian
See also: Авторський репортаж. The wiki uses nothing for the publish process.
In 30 days, we will know the identity of our 2013 WikiCup champion. Cwmhiraeth (submissions) currently leads; if that lead is held, she will become the first person to have won the WikiCup twice. Sasata (submissions), Hawkeye7 (submissions)—who has never participated in the competition before—and Casliber (submissions) follow. The majority of points in this round have come from a mix of good articles and bonus points. This final round is seeing contributions to a number of highly important topics; recent submissions include Phoenix (constellation) (FA by Casliber), Ernest Lawrence (GA by Hawkeye7), Pinniped, and red fox (both GAs by Sasata).
The did you know (DYK)
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Haweye, I have never done a review for featured article, so I wanted a few pointers, please.
I note the toolbox on the page so I have run the various tools. I assume that you must have done this too? These seem to point up a few issues, but I do not know how important these are. For example, This list includes a note on
MOS:HEAD
which suggests that Operation Crossroads follow-up and Bikini after Operation Crossroads ought to be renamed.
Should the in-coming redirects point to anchors? From this list, should there be an "Able" and a "Baker" anchor at the appropriate points, and the incoming redirects altered accordingly?
"The Archeology of the Atomic Bomb..." is listed in both the references and the External Links sections. Is that correct?
Where I spot small issues, should I go ahead and correct, or list them for your attention? The former would seem the easiest (quicker to do something than to tell someone else what needs doing), but I do not know the protocol here. For example, section Unfissioned plutonium has 10.6 pounds which should be 10.6 pounds.
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DYK for Raemer Schreiber
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whether I understand it, whether Bohr understood it, whether anyone understands it
I know what you mean. If you ask me, agreeing with Kierkegaard except for the god bit would be like... well, I can't even think of a parallel that would be as impossible. (As I understand it, Kierkegaard believed that the ordered Universe was literally the mind of God.) But hey, if I'm wrong about some point of existentialism, I wouldn't be the first.
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... did you instantly revert. The lead was shabby and incomprehensible. I likely know both the mathematics and the physics more than you do. If you really want me to pick the article apart, I can oblige you. Fowler&fowler«Talk»23:10, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
The lead is the result of consensus among a number of editors. I was particularly appalled at the notion that being arrested and sent to a concentration camp was "discouraged about his prospects". Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:24, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
OK, I was wrong about "fell to the Germans," bit, but I was working with what you had in the lead, which was: " After Denmark was occupied by the Germans, he had a meeting in Copenhagen with Heisenberg, who had become the head of the German nuclear energy project. In 1943, fearing arrest, Bohr fled to Sweden." That is disjointed. It leaves the reader dangling. What was the meeting with Heisenberg about? Something related to nuclear bomb (which Bohr at that time thought unfeasible), something related to his prospects of staying on at his institute in Denmark (which is what I meant by prospects), something involving a threat of arrest, or were they just meeting for coffee? Also, "had a meeting" is too vague. Heisenberg visited him in Copenhagen in 1941. Two years elapsed before Bohr left Denmark. So, why are we mentioning the Heisenberg meeting in the lead, unless we also explain its repercussions? Look, I'm trying to help you. I don't have a lot of time, so I did it in the way I did. The main point is that Bohr, though a man who wore many hats, was primarily a theoretical physicist. One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that you guys are shaky on the physics. The lead is what people read first. If it doesn't sound professional and clear, they stop reading. Fowler&fowler«Talk»10:45, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm. The meeting is very famous, which is why it appears in the lead; but what occurred is speculative. I'll haver another go. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:13, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
I've added Cockroft's FRS memoir, which is downloadable. If you can't download it, I'm happy to email the pdf. Cockroft is important for the physics. Also, you have access to the full Britannica article on Bohr? If not, I'm happy to email that. It is written Finn Aaserud, the director of the Bohr archives, whose books you've referenced. It's a tertiary source to be sure, but it will give you something to compare your overall emphasis and balance with. Here, btw, is what he says about the Heisenberg meeting, "After the discovery of fission, Bohr was acutely aware of the theoretical possibility of making an atomic bomb. However, as he announced in lectures in Denmark and in Norway just before the German occupation of both countries in April 1940, he considered the practical difficulties so prohibitive as to prevent the realization of a bomb until well after the war could be expected to end. Even when Heisenberg at his visit to Copenhagen in 1941 told Bohr about his role in a German atomic bomb project, Bohr did not waver from this conviction. In early 1943 Bohr received a secret message from his British colleague James Chadwick, inviting Bohr to join him in England to do important scientific work. Although Chadwick’s letter was vaguely formulated, Bohr understood immediately that the work had to do with developing an atomic bomb. Still convinced of the infeasibility of such a project, Bohr answered that there was greater need for him in occupied Denmark." Fowler&fowler«Talk»13:13, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
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It would be great if you could look in on this article, as it has no references and I have a sneaking suspicion it was copied from somewhere. The article is a bit of a mess, and I'm not sure I know what to do with it. Thanks! Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 00:31, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
for comments about the article. Well done! 22:22, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but I missed one or two things. Hawkeye, I can't find the sexism angle in any of the references that were provided. I've looked at Sachs and Wigner, and they (naturally--given when those things were written and by whom) don't state it as a reason; they cite the Depression and nepotism. I just read through the relevant sections in Ferry and I don't see it there either. Is it in Dash? If so, please reinstate with the verification. Likewise, is the dean's hatred of women in Dash? If so, please insert the reference; the next citation is three pages from Dash; that hatred could do with a single-page reference. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
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PS I'm back. I noticed a few minutes ago that the edited book French and Kennedy doesn't have the attributions to the individual authors of the articles to which we refer. I have a quick way of fixing this at least in the references section. I may not have enough time to fix the cites in the text itself, but I'll leave a post on the talk page linking the footnote numbers to the references. I'll also weigh in at TFA. Thanks for that too. Fowler&fowler«Talk»13:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Will the blurb and photograph that is currently in place at TFA also appear on the main page on November 28 (if that date is indeed picked) or will it be some initial portion (the first paragraph or two) of the of lead as it stands on November 28? If it is the former case, is there a deadline after which the blurb can't be changed? Fowler&fowler«Talk»11:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
On August 4, you removed the entire "Physical Effects of the Bomb" section, and it is nowhere to be found on Wikipedia. I thought this section was actually the most important part of the article, since the real significance of the bomb is what it did. Most of what we know about the effects of nuclear weapons is based on what happened at Hiroshima, since the hilly terrain at Nagasaki complicated analysis there and no other test environment had more than a handful of buildings in the destruction zone. There is a great deal of public confusion about the distinct effects: blast, fire, and radiation. In particular, fireball radiation and radioactive fallout are often confused. I thought that section (which I wrote) covered the basic facts concisely and objectively.
What was your objection? Would you object to restoring it?
The object was that I thought that it belonged in the article about the bombing rather than the one about the type of bomb. None of the other articles on weapons have such descriptions. I would not object to its restoration, although I would prefer it to be in the
bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki article. One thing that I noticed from that article that might interest you is that Nagasaki was an industrial target, and the bomb was aimed at destroying two industrial sites, which it did. Whereas Hiroshima was a transportation target, and despite the large amount of death and destruction, the railway and port continued to operate. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:48, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
First of all, congratulations on the Good Article status. Nice work.
Since you don't object, I have added that section back to Little Boy. That action should not affect its good article status.
Here is my reasoning. That particular bomb design is uniquely associated with the Hiroshima bombing, which, in turn, was largely a public weapon effects demonstration. Its purpose was to show that a single bomb could duplicate the effects of, say, the Tokyo firebombing which required 279 airplanes and 1,700 tons of bombs.
Hiroshima was spared any earlier bombing in order to serve as a pristine nuclear bomb target, a situation made possible by its lack of importance as a military target. The two airplanes that accompanied Enola Gay were there to measure the weapon effects. Nobody expected the loss of Hiroshima to tip the balance in favor of immediate surrender. The "shock and awe" was expected to come from observing that it was effect of a single bomb.
Most of what we know about nuclear weapon effects comes from an intensive study of Hiroshima. It was flat urban terrain well protected by natural and artificial firebreaks, and it was enough larger than the total destruction area that the margins of the effects could be precisely measured. Nothing new was learned from Nagasaki, and no other bombs were tested on live urban targets. In the many test explosions that followed, large and small, the overpressure and thermal impulse contours were measured, and the Hiroshima effects were extrapolated to estimate the theoretical destruction area.
Granted, it was pure happenstance that Little Boy, and not Fat Man, was used at Hiroshima, but, since it was, this discussion of weapon effects seems appropriate here. HowardMorland (talk) 22:11, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
While the irony of what was and was not destroyed at each of the cities is interesting, I think the real mission at Hiroshima was to demonstrate the possession of a new type of bomb and the willingness to use it. The real mission at Nagasaki was to demonstrate that more such bombs were in the pipeline. Of course, the only reason Nagasaki was hit at all is that Kokura was obscured by smoke. While Nagasaki, as a secondary target, did have a designated aim point -- the docks on the east side of the harbor -- the actual aim point turned out to be a break in the clouds two miles north of there. The two factories that were destroyed, by coincidence, would easily have survived if the bomb had been dropped on the harbor, as intended. By the time the bomb was dropped, the immediate mission was simply to get rid of it in time to make it back to Okinawa without running out of gas, which they barely did. HowardMorland (talk) 03:33, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
I just noticed that over the years, some awkward wording has crept into the section I restored. Also, I see you have converted the entire article to the sfn footnote system, whereas my recent insertion was footnoted by the old system. I will fix those two things in the next day or so. HowardMorland (talk) 04:18, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Oops. My latest change seems to have undone something you did with tabs in the Physical effects section. But I don't know what you did, or how to restore it. HowardMorland (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
WikiCup 2013 October newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is Cwmhiraeth (submissions). Our final nine were as follows:
) wins the FPo prize, for 2 featured portals in round 3, worth 70 points.
Hawkeye7 (submissions) wins the topic prize, for a 23-article featured topic in round 5, worth 230 points.
Cwmhiraeth (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 79 did you know articles in round 5, worth 570 points.
ThaddeusB (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 23 in the news articles in round 4, worth 270 points.
Ed! (submissions) wins the GAR prize, for 24 good article reviews in round 1, worth 96 points.
The judges are awarding the Oddball Barnstar to The C of E (submissions), for some curious contributions in earlier rounds.
Finally, the judges are awarding Cwmhiraeth (submissions) the Geography Barnstar for her work on sea, now a featured article. This top-importance article was the highest-scoring this year; when it was promoted to FA status, Cwmhiraeth could claim 720 points.
Prizes will be handed out in the coming weeks. Please be patient!
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Next year's competition begins on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; it is open to all Wikipedians, new and old. Brainstorming and discussion remains open for how next year's competition will work, and straw polls will be opened by the judges soon. Those interested in friendly competition may also like to keep an eye on the stub contest, being organised by Casliber. The WikiCup judges will be back in touch over the coming months, and we hope to see you all in the 2014 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 01:26, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations for winning the WikiCup topic prize, and for your close second place in the whole WikiCup shebang! Thanks so much for all you do for Wikipedia. – Quadell(talk)13:52, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. In the end, it wasn't close though. I was 1,000 points down with no way to catch up. Cwmhiraeth richly deserves her win. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:25, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! I tried to make each article as good as it could be, so many of the GAs will be appearing at FAC in 2014 and 2015. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:02, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
atomic structure. A central figure of 20th-century physics, he received the Nobel prize in 1922. In three articles published in 1913, the third in November, he applied old quantum theory to restrict the revolving electrons to stable orbits, creating the Bohr model of the atom. A dozen years later, faced with the opposing particle and wave interpretations of atomic phenomena in the new quantum mechanics, he proposed the complementarity principle of using both interpretations to fully explain the results. He founded the Institute of Theoretical Physics in Copenhagen, now known as the Niels Bohr Institute, and predicted the existence of a new element, which was named hafnium after the Latin name for Copenhagen. Later, the element bohrium was named after him. During the 1930s, he helped refugees from Nazism. In September 1943, after receiving word of his impending arrest by the Germans, he fled to Sweden. Flown next to Britain, he joined the British Tube Alloys nuclear weapons project, and later the Manhattan Project. After the war, Bohr was involved with the establishment of CERN. (Full article...
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Edition 5, November 8, 2013
Project news
The Wikinewsie Group/Local Wikinews policies is the start of a guide that explains local Wikinews project policies with the goal of making it easier to recognise credentials across project, build on accumulated reputation from one project to another and facilitate translation work.
Historical Czech Wikinews experiment is a blog entry by Okino that looks at the community impact of allowing writers to write Wikinews articles from a past perspective, IE writing a story about a historical battle as if you were a journalist writing that article the day after it happened. The purpose was to attempt to make Wikinews more collaborative in nature and avoid the time constraints of the immediacy of news reporting. Okino shows that while the reaction to the idea was positive, the true interest in writing the articles of this type was small as the vast majority of them were written by him.
A conversation is taking place on Wikinoticias about allowing CC-BY-NC images to be locally uploaded.[28]
A conversation is taking place on English Wikinews with a WMF staff member about the future of search and potential special search features for Wikinews projects.[29]
Training materials
A one page guide and a screencast were created that explain how to avoid plagiarism on Wikinews. Available data suggests this is somewhat of an issue for new and student reporters on English Wikinews, with roughly 10 to 20% of all submitted articles having some sort of copyright issue.
Training materials were created to better support new reporters wanting to produce photo essays. They can be found at Photo Essays for Wikinews, Photojournalist worksheet, and Wikinews Photo Essay Formatting. Assistance is requested in translating these to other languages and localizing them to local project requirements. This would be very helpful ahead of the Sochi Paralympic Games, where there are expected to be a number of photo essays produced.
Given the difficulty of new reporters being unable to get their first article published on Wikinews, a video was created to encourage these writers to stick with it. It can be found at The first time writing for Wikinews good.ogv. It is somewhat tongue in cheek, and tries to address the emotional implications of a not ready review. The problem of getting new reporters who are unsuccessful at getting their article published has been identified as a major area for work. It has a large impact on reporter retention.
Of interest for journalists
Copyright's Role in a Free Press is an article by Terry Hart of the copyright alliance on the issue of funding important investigative journalism.
Education
Provisional Chairperson LauraHale is made a presentation at the EduWiki Conference 2013 in Cardiff, Wales about educational efforts on English Wikinews. Findings she included that changes in reviewing practices between semester 1 and semester 2 for one university course saw similar improvements for new reporters. What is good for students is good for the whole community.
With the Education Extension[30] installed successfully on English Wikinews, a portal was started at WN:EDU[31] to encourage and provide training for educators to use Wikinews in their coursework. This is something The Wikinewsie Group is hoping to expand upon in the future, and plans to try to get translated into other languages. Plans are also underway to create a student portal to provide training for students. Many things to Sage Ross for his assistance in setting up the educator portal.
GLAM
The major GLAM work being done by a Wikinewsie at the moment is a Wikimedian in Residency with the Comité Paralímpico Español. A report was created this month for CPE based on interviews done in August. It can be found here.
Paralympic work being done with the US Olympic Committee is progressing.
Original reporting - summary
Between May 1 and October 31, when The Wikinewsie Group Newsletter first began tracking original reporting taking place across all projects, 227 stories have been published by 78 reporters 14 different language Wikinews projects. The projects with the greatest number of reporters engaged in original reporting were English with 15, Russian with 14, Polish with 13 and French with 10. Beyond these, original there were one or more journalists engaging in original reporting on Catalan, Chinese, Esperanto, German, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Serbian, Spanish and Ukrainian. The peak month for reporting across all projects was May with 52 articles. It was followed by June with 49, August with 44, September with 43 and July with 39.
In the past four months, Spanish, Polish, French, Ukrainian, Russian and English have all produced over 20 total pieces of original reporting, with Russian Wikinews publishing 41 stories and English Wikinews publishing 60 stories.
Hi Hawkeye. Just in case you weren't aware, tomorrow there's a WWI-focused editathon at the SLNSW in Sydney - War I edit-a-thons/Australia#2. November 2013. You mightn't be able to make it, but just in case you are able to come, that'd be great. Equally, there's some people who are participating remotely with a few stubs that are ready to go on the day - which you might like to do too. Cheerio, Wittylama01:48, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
I have addressed your request for footnotes. At first I could not find a reference for the hills at Nagasaki deflecting the blast, so I changed that statement. I later did find two references, Leslie Groves and Richard Rhodes, but I left the change. There could be more footnotes, if necessary, and several more sources. (Much as been written about this, obviously.) HowardMorland (talk) 06:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
New rule proposal
Can you comment in the new rule proposal at DYK since you have reverted the draft.--
Hi Hawkeye, congrats on the Niels Bohr TFA that is currently on the main page (and congrats to the others that worked on it as well) - I see many of the Manhattan Project biography articles are continuing to wend their way towards FAC. Anyway, I'm really here to ask you for advice about a picture I want to upload from the Australian War Memorial Collections. It is the one here. I want to use it in a new article I wrote:
My interpretation of the results of the discussions of AWM images which took place at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2013 April 15 is that the consensus is that the images the AWM marks as being PD can be treated as such on Wikipedia and Commons (in short, as the AWM is the "owner" of these images so the tag is releasing the images where they weren't already PD in the US for other reasons). This image might fall into a grey area though as the photo is a reproduction of an artwork, but it seems likely to be free of restrictions given its age and the fact that its location in a public space means that the UK's liberal freedom of panorama provisions should apply. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 05:08, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, both. I will upload the picture at the weekend. I presume the right way to proceed is to take a copy of the jpeg from the image page, as the download options for hi-resolution images involve paying and the conditions of use for those hi-resolution images are more restrictive? Would either of you know what best to do with the watermark on the image? Carcharoth (talk) 05:58, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
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Aff-comm recommended to the Wikimedia Foundation Board that The Wikinewsie Group be recognised as a thematic organization in early November.[32]
Discussions were had on IRC and Skype about the possibility of installing the education extension on Ukrainian, Czech and Korean Wikinews. While these could be used to potentially re-invigorate the local communities and provide a cohort of new contributors, the limited contributor base at the moment makes it difficult to implement. Greater partnerships would need to be done with chapters to provide people to assist local projects in running any education initiative.
What is news? handout was created to supplement existing training materials as this is an area where new contributors sometimes have issues on English Wikinews.
LauraHale attended Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2013 in Slovakia representing The Wikinewsie Group. She had conversations with people from several chapters about the potential to do things with TWG including the Polish, Estonian, Serbian, Czech and Ukrainian chapters.
Original reporting projects
The paperwork was submitted at the end of the month to send five Wikinews reporters to the Sochi Paralympic Games.
Attempts were made to secure media accreditation for the Commonwealth Games. The application was unsuccessful.
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Flow testing
Hey Hawkeye :). As mentioned on the Milhist coordinators talkpage, we've opened Flow up for community testing. I'd be really grateful if you could hammer on the system (if you haven't already!), let me know any bugs you find, and leave a note at the 'first release' page explaining what you, as a member of Wikiproject Military History, would need to see to be okay with it being deployed on that wikiproject's talkpage.
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good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Atomic Energy Act of 1946 for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Quadell -- Quadell(talk)15:31, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Flags
Be careful with flags. They are not very good at representing the nuances of a situation. You probably don't want to get into an edit-war over something like this; you'll only make a fool out of yourself. I'll give you a clue here; what does the very first sentence of the article say? --John (talk) 21:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi Hawkeye, what are your thoughts on what to do with this article? I saw it at FAC but held back on commenting. I have no experience with Featured Lists and kept hoping other editors would jump in and resolve the question that got posed. But they didn't and it got archived. Any plans? hamiltonstone (talk) 00:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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senior naval aviator at the [Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division|Naval Proving Ground]] in [[Dahlgren, Virginia]]. .
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No, you didn't do anything wrong, I did. I accidentally hist the rollback button on a mobile device. I have correected this. My apologies. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:16, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
We'd better debate this on Kip's talk page as I don't get your position here, I've left an opening ? there 4 u
All those USAF units
Thank you for the assessments. I decided to try the Military History continuing contest this month, but I have the feeling that it's imposing because of the contest ban on any self assessment (which includes C-Class). It seems to me a distraction to post articles for B Class assessment that I know are C Class, but which I have improved, so I plan to return to self assessing C Class articles again in January to preserve my status as a Wikipedia:WikiGnome. At any rate, for taking the time for going through my recent C Class articles
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