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Ruhr Area

The Urban Audit definition only includes the northern part of the Rhein-Ruhr agglomeration, and excludes Dusseldorf and Koln areas. The 2001 population figure for the Ruhr Area is only 5.36 million. The official definition should be used if we're going to claim this as based on the Urban Audit program. --Polaron | Talk 18:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree. I still need to search their database for LUZ that are not typical city agglomorations, eg Randstad, Rhein-Ruhr, etc. I was thinking of putting them into a separate list. JGG 22:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Either you make a list of largest cities, including only the Parisian municipality, or you make a list of metropolitan areas including the Randstad and the Ruhrarea. Like this it is misleading.
Admitted - I will change this JGG 09:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rhur area needs to be bigger im certain that its Larger urban zone is north rhine-westphalia about 18 million people. seems like alot but thats only 1/4th of germany's population. on a large global map of the earth germany is dividedinto 3 basic regions. theres north east germany which is what what known as former east germany. southern germany which is the two states of bavaria plus baden-wurtemburg. and the 3rd region is everything else centered on this rhur aglomeration. populations of europe should all be fair in the size of there algomerations not just say hey this city over here is not aloud to have a LUZ. LUZ's are suposed to conform to county line boundaris or county eqivelents. admitably germany no longer uses countys or any type of prefecture so state boundaries is what you got to use take berlin-brandenburg for example. these things seem big but there all around the earth no just in the EU theres also Moscow city and oblast and ancorage MSA. im certain theres other large LUZ's. 99.51.212.6 (talk) 14:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Milano

Hi, there is a big mistake about Milan. the Urban Area of Milan, the real city is of 4.280.000 people. the real city is 1.303.437, the urban area is 3,884,481 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan) the sprawling, the Metro Area is of 7.400.000 of people, as was for the first time officialy calculated by OECD / OCSE just 3 days ago.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/14/62/37720067.pdf

OECD Territorial Reviews: Milan, Italy

"Milan is often identified as a prosperous region and an international capital of fashion and design. Once a successful industrial city located in the northern part of Italy, Milan has grown into the core of a wider industrial metropolitan region that is home to more than 7 million people. The OECD Territorial Review of Milan recognises that Milan’s historical skills endowment and its advantageous geographic location could underpin its ambition to become a southern European and Mediterranean capital. At the same time, the Review demonstrates that Milan displays disappointing international performances and seems to have lost part of its long-established drive..."

This list simply repeats the data from one source. There is no single authoritative means of comparing cities, and there never will be. Postlebury (talk) 02:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Urban statistical in Italy is quite a problem: until 2014 there was no definition or data about metropolitan areas or functional urban areas. In 2014 law n° 142 instituted finally the Metropolitan cities, but their boundaries traced the boundaries of the ancient province, that, sometimes was very large and many cities and villages were quite far to the province seat: for example, Turin is now a metropolitan city of 2,280,000 inhabitants but some cities of the metropolitan city are distant from Turin 80 km !!! Some villages are far as 130 km to Reggio Calabria metropolitan city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robur.q (talk • contribs) 07:41, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"...Eurostat adjusts the LUZ boundaries to administrative boundaries..."

This method makes for example the Rhine-Neckar metropolitan area (Heidelberg, Mannheim, Ludwigshafen) with a population of 2.4 million disappear from the list, just because it stretches over three states. Commuters, however, are indifferent to state boundaries. 95.115.121.32 (talk) 08:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marseille and Lille

France's third and fourth-largest metropolitan areas (Marseille and Lille, respectively) are not listed here for some reason. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 04:52, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dublin Population Density

I get the feeling that Dublin's stats are the wrong way around… 4500 sq km and a pop density of about 114, similar to Oslo. It makes no sense otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.212.67.103 (talk) 20:13, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Change

Actually, this article needs to change its title in "Functional urban areas" as Eurostat uses this definition instead of LUZ, though in the Explanatory text still use the definition "•the Larger Urban Zone (LUZ) being an approximation of the functional urban zone centered around the city"[1], but the data page use this tle "http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/metadata/en/urb_esms.htm"[2]. I did not want to vandalize the work of other collaborators, so I didn't delete the 2006 data that have no importance. My proposal is to list only the 2014 data (with the correction of same not update data) in such a way:

Post scriptum: 1) I agree that UK is still in Ue, and I'm very sorrowfull that it will be out: Europe without Britain is not Europe !! 2) I need any time to update datas, sorry: I'm in a hurry to go to work !!!

Functional urban zone

The Functional urban zone formarly Larger urban zone (LUZ), is a measure of the population and expanse of metropolitan areas in Europe.[3] It consists of a city and its commuting zone.[4]

The LUZ represents an attempt at a harmonised definition of the metropolitan area. Eurostat's objective was to have an area from which a significant share of the residents commute into the city, a concept known as the "functional urban region." To ensure a good data availability, Eurostat adjusts the LUZ boundaries to administrative boundaries that approximate the functional urban region.

The definition was introduced in 2004 by

candidate countries and EFTA countries. Several cities were excluded by definition from the 2004 list of LUZs on technical, definitional grounds, such as the coincidence of the metropolitan area with the urban zone.[7][8][9]

In 2006 LUZ definitions were changed significantly, improving the comparability of LUZ definitions across different countries, and allowing for almost all cities to be included.

List of larger urban zones

This is a list of larger urban zones. The Urban Audit also includes cities from

EFTA
countries (Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland) and EU candidate countries.

The figures in the Eurostat database are an attempt at a compromise between harmonised data for all of the European Union, and with availability of statistical data, making comparisons more accurate.[10]

  Areas within the European Union
Larger urban zone Country Population (2014)[11]
Amsterdam [12]  Netherlands 2,502,189
Antwerp  Belgium 1.090.650
Athens[13]  Greece 3,828,434
Barcelona  Spain 4,891,249
Berlin  Germany 5,005,216
Bilbao  Spain 1,025,109
Bordeaux[14]  France 1,172.618
Bremen  Germany 1,237,203
Brussels  Belgium 2,607,961
Bucharest  Romania 2,403,107
Budapest  Hungary 2,927,944
Copenhagen[15]  Denmark 1,928,612
Dublin[16]  Ireland 1,793,902
Dresden  Germany 1,328,759
Düsseldorf  Germany 1,515,921
Frankfurt am Main  Germany 2,573,745
Gdansk[17]
  Poland 1,136,612
Glasgow  United Kingdom 1,793,200
Hamburg  Germany 3,173,871
Hannover
  Germany 1,275,125
Helsinki  Finland 1,402,394
Katowice[18]  Poland 2,573,159
Koln
  Germany 1,930,036
Kraków[19]  Poland 1,389,091
Leeds  United Kingdom 1,179,500
Lille[20]  France 1,367,423
Lisbon[21]  Portugal 2,810,668
Liverpool  United Kingdom 1,515,000
London  United Kingdom 12,496,800
Lyon[22]  France 1,954,360
Madrid  Spain 6,659,700
Manchester  United Kingdom 2,815,100
Mannheim-Ludwigshafen  Germany 1,150,111
Marseille  France 1,741,263
Milan  Italy 4,252,246
Munich  Germany 2,768,488
Naples  Italy 3,627,021
Newcastle upon Tyne  United Kingdom 1,155,600
Nuremberg  Germany 1,298,810
Oslo  Norway 1,144,883
Ostrava  Czech Republic 1,123,193
Palermo  Italy 1,006,602
Paris[23]  France 11,862,032
Porto[24]  Portugal 1,279,587
Prague  Czech Republic 2,204,730
Rome  Italy 4,370,538
Rotterdam[25]  Netherlands 1,419,093
Rhurgebeit  Germany 5,045,784
Seville  Spain 1,416,933
Sofia  Bulgaria 1,543,377
Stockholm[26]  Sweden 2,034,354
Stuttgart  Germany 2,668,439
Toulouse[27]  France 1,275,640
Turin  Italy 1,801,729
Newcastle upon Tyne  United Kingdom 1,141,879
Valencia  Spain 1,619,196
Vienna  Austria 2,584,000
Warsaw[28]  Poland 3,078,489
West Midlands urban area (Birmingham-Wolverhampton
) 		 United Kingdom 2,909,300
Wien
  Austria 2,374,920
Zagreb  Croatia 1,220,967
Zürich   Switzerland 1,984,534

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Robur.q (talk • contribs)

References

  1. ^ http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/metadata/en/urb_esms.htm
  2. ^ http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do?dataset=urb_lpop1&lang=en
  3. ^ Position Statement on Cohesion Policy 2014-2020, EuroMETREX. Retrieved 2 July 2015.
  4. ^ "European cities – the EU-OECD functional urban area definition". Eurostat. Retrieved 2 August 2015.
  5. ^ "City statistics - Urban audit". Eurostat. 2006.
  6. ^ "The shift of Eurostat to Urban Statistics". Dr. Berthold Feldmann, Eurostat. March 2006.
  7. ^ http://www.statistiques-locales.insee.fr/Fiches/RS/AU1999/RS_AU1999003.pdf Archived 27 July 2011 at the Wayback Machine
  8. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20110727094843/http://www.statistiques-locales.insee.fr/Fiches/RS/AU1999/RS_AU1999004.pdf. Archived from the original (PDF) on 27 July 2011. Retrieved 19 February 2016. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help); Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  9. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20110727094905/http://www.statistiques-locales.insee.fr/Fiches/RS/AU1999/RS_AU1999006.pdf. Archived from the original (PDF) on 27 July 2011. Retrieved 19 February 2016. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help); Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  10. ^ http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/metadata/en/urb_esms.htm
  11. ^ Eurostat
  12. ^ 2013
  13. ^ 2011
  14. ^ 2013
  15. ^ 2013
  16. ^ 2011
  17. ^ 2013
  18. ^ 2013
  19. ^ 2013
  20. ^ 2013
  21. ^ 2015
  22. ^ 2013
  23. ^ 2013
  24. ^ 2015
  25. ^ 2013
  26. ^ 2011
  27. ^ 2013
  28. ^ 2013

Needs clarification regarding EUROSTAT data

There are 2 lists

Urban: http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do Metro: http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do

It is stated that Metro data is intended to be used yet there are some data from the urban list or a totally different number. Pls adjust the 2016 list according to the EUROSTAT Metro list. And maybe use the 2018 numbers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.164.123 (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Missing small metro areas

This OECD publication shows 8 FUAs in Portugal, but this list only has two. It looks like small and possibly medium-sized FUAs are missing. Metropolitan statistical area lists all metro areas in the United States, so it's certainly feasible to do that here. It might be a good idea to merge the list in this article with List of metropolitan areas in Europe, since they both show areas inside and outside the EU, and distinguish which is which. That would reduce maintenance burden on editors, and not give readers two confusingly similar lists. -- Beland (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that OECD document lists the following classes:
  • Small FUAs, with population between 50,000 and 100,000
  • Medium-sized FUAs, with population between 100,000 and 250,000
  • Metropolitan FUAs, with population between 250,000 and 1.5 million
  • Large metropolitan FUAs, with population above 1.5 million
Is this article intended only to cover the last class? The current definition seems to encompass all FUAs, but the list only large metropolitan FUAs. (And the next question would be where the smaller ones would be covered if not here.) -- Beland (talk) 02:05, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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