Talk:Demographics of Europe

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What is the "Population genomic PCA map" explaining? the two axes of the chart aren't labelled, making it unclear/useless. Is it supposed to be a flat representation of the world? If so, why are the "phillipine negritos" to the west of the han chinese cluster? I am suggesting to delete it, unless someone can explain itFeldercarb (talk) 21:08, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Russia is not European country - not only geographically but culturally as well, Russian literature, music, art are typically Asian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:a45e:72a7:1:d4b5:9a37:cd0e:b87 (talk) 14:27, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah... no. Russia is partially in Europe, geographically. In fact, it takes up the lion's share of the continent's landmass, about 40%. Most of its population is in Europe, as well. And the rest you've typed is total rubbish, to say the least. Mspriz (talk) 13:04, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhere along the road, someone appears to have accidentally switched the "Area" & "Population" column headers in the Population by Country table without switching the data itself. Since then, a few minor edits have been made to try to fix the problem with various countries without actually addressing the underlying issue, leading to a scenario wherein half the countries have the right data, and the other half have it reversed. I will be attempting to try to figure out s specific edit to undo in order the fix this, or otherwise I may end up having to do it manually. Just a heads up.

RecycledHeroin (talk) 00:29, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oooh, ick. Hadn't noticed. What I did notice is that this recent edit replaced the hard-coded values with templates like {{UN population|Andorra}} & {{country area|Andorra}} which yields:

79,034 & 468

Maybe User:Guarapiranga knows more about what's gone wrong here. It'll take a bit of research. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 01:31, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, perhaps you are on to something. I had assumed that the messed up values had to be the result of someone manually trying to fix it after the fact, but it appears as though User:Guarapiranga was responsible for all the associated troubles in their sole edit. I'm really not quite sure what they did, but regardless, I have undone it. I believe I was able to keep your edits, though if they still serve their original purpose only you could say, I suppose. I just wish User:Guarapiranga had been more forthcoming in the intention of their edits and what exactly it was they were editing; if you see this I'd love to know, and I promise you're not in trouble ;). That aside, though, I'd mark this problem as resolved.

RecycledHeroin (talk) 02:53, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not only you noticed it, JohnFromPinckney, but you thanked me for it, and said it was a Cool conversion of table to use 0 template means section is largely sourced now. Did I mention this is cool?^[1] This is what was there (and what's been reverted to), and this is what I did; what was wrong with it?

Population and area of European countries/territories

Country (or territory)	Population [1][2]	Area (km2)[3]	Density (per km2)	Capital
Albania (more)	2,854,710	28,748	99	Tirana
Andorra (more)	79,034	468	169	Andorra la Vella
Armenia (more)	2,790,974	29,743	94	Yerevan
Austria (more)	8,922,082	83,871	106	Vienna
Azerbaijan (more)	10,312,992	86,600	119	Baku
Belarus (more)	9,578,167	207,600	46	Minsk
Belgium (more)	11,611,419	30,528	380	Brussels
Bosnia and Herzegovina (more)	3,270,943	51,209	64	Sarajevo
Bulgaria (more)	6,885,868	110,900	62	Sofia
Croatia (more)	4,060,135	56,594	72	Zagreb
Cyprus (more)	1,244,188	9,251	134	Nicosia
(more)	10,510,751	78,866	133	Prague
Denmark (more)	5,854,240	43,094	136	Copenhagen
Estonia (more)	1,328,701	45,227	29	Tallinn
(more)	1,399	49,709	35.6	Tórshavn
Finland (more)	5,535,992	336,852	16	Helsinki
France (more)	64,531,444	551,500	117	Paris
Georgia (more)	3,757,980	69,700	54	Tbilisi
Germany (more)	83,408,554	357,137	234	Berlin
Gibraltar (UK) (more)	6.8	30,001	4,348.0	Gibraltar
Greece (more)	10,445,365	131,957	79	Athens
(more)[d]	78	65,345	837.8	St. Peter Port
Hungary (more)	9,709,786	93,026	104	Budapest
Iceland (more)	370,335	103,000	4	Reykjavík
Ireland (more)	4,986,526	69,825	71	Dublin
(more)[d]	572	84,497	147.8	Douglas
Italy (more)	59,240,329	301,339	197	Rome
Jersey (more)[d]	118	97,857	827.9	Saint Helier
Kosovo (more)*[p]	10,908	1,859,203	170.4	Pristina
Latvia (more)	1,873,919	64,562	29	Riga
Liechtenstein (more)	39,039	160	244	Vaduz
Lithuania (more)	2,786,651	65,300	43	Vilnius
Luxembourg (more)	639,321	2,586	247	Luxembourg
Malta (more)	526,748	316	1,667	Valletta
Moldova (more)	3,061,506	33,846	90	Chişinău
Monaco (more)	36,686	2	18,343	Monaco
Montenegro (more)	627,859	13,812	45	Podgorica
(more)	17,501,696	37,354	469	Amsterdam
North Macedonia (more)	2,103,330	25,713	82	Skopje
Norway (more)	5,403,021	323,787	17	Oslo
Poland (more)	38,307,726	311,888	123	Warsaw
Portugal (more)[f]	92,212	10,427,301	113.1	Lisbon
Romania (more)	19,328,560	238,391	81	Bucharest
Russia (more)	145,102,755	17,098,246	8	Moscow
San Marino (more)	33,745	61	553	San Marino
Serbia (more)[g]	88,361	7,041,599	90.9	Belgrade
Slovakia (more)	5,447,622	49,036	111	Bratislava
Slovenia (more)	2,119,410	20,273	105	Ljubljana
Spain (more)	47,486,935	505,992	94	Madrid
Svalbard and Jan Mayen (Norway}	62,049	2,868	0.046	Longyearbyen
Sweden (more)	10,467,097	450,295	23	Stockholm
Switzerland (more)	8,691,406	41,285	211	Bern
(more)	505,000	4,163	121.3	Tiraspol
Turkey (more)	84,775,404	783,562	108	Ankara
Ukraine (more)	43,531,422	603,500	72	Kyiv
(more)	67,281,039	242,495	277	London
(more)	842	0.44	1,913.6	Vatican City
(more)	1,580	28,666	18.1	Mariehamn

— Guarapiranga ☎ 02:57, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, hang on, I see what the problem is... It's just the unsourced numbers that I missed reversing the columns (to fit the {{density}} template}}. That was a simple regex replace; no need to revert to the ugly unsourced table. — Guarapiranga ☎ 03:03, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There, now that's  fixing. — Guarapiranga ☎ 03:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well done for finally getting that sorted out. My only request is that next time you let us know how you're fiddling with the table, so that we can tell what to look at if it goes wrong, as without that info the simplest solution for me was to just revert all your changes, and we don't want all that. Cheers for putting the work in though! RecycledHeroin (talk) 04:11, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I thanked you, and I thank you again for your work; I still think it's cool. I hadn't noticed any reversal of figures or columns originally, and made only a spot check of some of the numbers; I think I mentally transposed the columns in my mind as I compared versions. When RecycledHeroin wrote here, I was just preparing to sign off for the night, so didn't (want to) take the time to research whatever the problem was, if there really was a problem (turns out it wasn't so big; I was mostly just tired, I think). Now, although some figures (e.g., Armenia pop.) have changed between versions, I don't see anything being grossly out of line. Being able to source and transclude these figures non-repetitively reduces both our workload and the chance of errors. So: still exceedingly cool. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 22:25, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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So when will Denmark, Georgia, Slovenia be switched back?.--Bornsommer (talk) 05:14, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Albania.-Bornsommer (talk) 05:18, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Transnistria, and Ukraine need a population number update, just to mention a few.--Bornsommer (talk) 22:19, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is a big table showing nine different indicators for 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021.

Did you read all of those years? If not, you might be in favor of cutting down on the table size.

indicates that a table should be just as legible and pertinent as plain prose.

I would say the whole thing can go, with some prose replacing it. The paragraphs above it already discuss a couple of landmark years within the prose. Just three years, the beginning, middle and ending years of the century, would probably give enough detail for the reader. Wizmut (talk) 23:46, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this table is too big that it reduces readability. I think replacing it with prose summarizing data from three years is reasonable. 23impartial (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On the last line of the "Ethnic group" section it says, "Approximately 20 million non-Europeans live in the EU, 4% of the overall population." I assume this information is taken from this line in the source cited: "23.8 million people (5.3%) of the 446.7 million people living in the EU on 1 January 2022 were non-EU citizens." As you can see, the Wikipedia entry is incorrect. "Non-EU citizens" is not synonymous with "Non-European." This should be fixed or removed. Сулакин (talk) 20:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I removed the statement as the source didn't provide any content about Europe proper. Wizmut (talk) 22:38, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]