User talk:Mercurywoodrose/Archive13
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I'm not sure why you're unhappy; don't get mad and leave. Take some time, relax, explain what's the matter... Not having done a "BEFORE" on Titstare is really small potatoes and I hope that I haven't done anything to offend you. I don't think that I have... Anyway, take a couple days off if that's what it takes and then vocalize what's the matter. Things that are broken can't be fixed if they're tossed in the dump. Best regards, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 19:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- I looked at that AfD and see no reason not to close it as a SNOW keep, which is what I just did. However, I have no issue with the thing having been nominated in the first place (shit happens), and accusations about a "pattern" of bad nominations (WP:NPA. Wikidemon and Doncram, who in my opinion have no need to visit this talk page unless they wish to offer an apology, are advised to seek more appropriate fora and present evidence--or, of course, they can just keep those comments to themselves. Take it easy, Mercurywoodrose. Drmies (talk) 03:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)]
- How exactly is that an accusation of bad faith? If someone is going to hastily invoke an administrative process to oppose and undo other editors' work, they shouldn't have a thin skin about the process they use. That's a recurring problem at AfD. I do apologize for being too harsh without considering the source. I meant to register annoyance, not to make anyone feel bad. I'll keep an eye out for MWR and try to be more kind. Cool username, BTW. - Wikidemon (talk) 19:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind words above, added as i was typing below. the strong content below can hopefully be seen as my blowing off steam. thanks for the name compliment too. Also, it was more the other editor, who i think saw a pattern in other edits of mine, so your comment was to me more of a straw on the camels back.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:30, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- Because i DONT have a motherfucking pattern of doing so. and its OK to AFD something that you honestly believe is nonnotable, even if the end result is a snow keep. there is a big difference between being incorrect in one's estimate of notability (which i admit to assuming that an article on the app would be the only criteria, that the controversy is the bigger topic), or even accidentally or mistakenly skipping a step (mea culpa on not checking for more refs), and deliberately misusing the AFD process. if i AM actually misusing the AFD process, perhaps an editor would be kind enough to point it out privately on my talk page before assuming bad faith and labelling me as such at an AFD. i have considered, off and on, becoming an admin. my understanding of adminship is the review is severe, and any evidence of inappropriate editing is grounds for denial. I now have this on my record, and i suspect that i will never be allowed to become an admin, based on this accusation. I am unfortunately used to head trips from my professional life (not coworkers, mind you), but i really dont need that here. I am going to give myself an approximate 6 month break on making or commenting on AFD's, to show good faith and to avoid more discomfort, though i admit i just afd'd the socal portal, which i hope was done properly. I do have a fair edit history here and at the commons, with few reversions, so i am not a newcomer. I still do feel like my editing style could be ravaged at any time, for any reason, with no consideration of myself as a person, and I have one other incident where an admin blatantly used ownership to deny my edits, and pretended they didnt own anything, as good a display of a personality disordered, power hungry asshole as i have encountered anywhere, with few others commenting on their behaviors.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- How exactly is that an accusation of bad faith? If someone is going to hastily invoke an administrative process to oppose and undo other editors' work, they shouldn't have a thin skin about the process they use. That's a recurring problem at AfD. I do apologize for being too harsh without considering the source. I meant to register annoyance, not to make anyone feel bad. I'll keep an eye out for MWR and try to be more kind. Cool username, BTW. - Wikidemon (talk) 19:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- I have been thinking about this for the past few days, and I think you are exhibiting a lot of qualities that are worthy and noble in a potential admin. You are thoughtful, sensitive, you care, you want to do the right thing. I am far from the administrative nomination process, I think the whole thing is pretty flawed. I know I would make an excellent admin myself, but I could never win a confirmation. I've been involved in too many policy debates, fought too many trolls, stood up too many times. Nobody would ever fault you, in an administrative appointment, for making a bad deletion nomination. I don't think anyone expects admins to be right all the time, they just have to be fair, and respectful, and thoughtful, and sincere. If someone ever said you were unfit because you made a bad process nomination you could disarm them completely by saying what you've said here, aw, gee, I'm willing to listen, I respect your point, I was not trying to steamroll you. Let's have a nice chat. I'm learning. Your "I DONT have a motherfucking" comment above is very honest but that's a temperament you can't take into the admin corps. When you carry the mop as they say, you will find many floors that do not want to be scrubbed. They will lash out, they will attack you, they will play games and create fake accounts, they will accuse you of a lot of things. What the community is looking for in admins, I think, isn't someone who will fight back, but someone who is above the fight. Drmies is a very well-respected admin of long standing around here, which means that his (her?) opinions carry some weight, but I think they went too far to be nice to you — cheering you up, as they should, at the expense of saying I was acting in bad faith or accusing you of that. Everything here leaves a trace. Nobody's perfect. Anyway, feel free to stop by my page anytime with a request, and if you are ever nominated for admin I'll support it. If you think an article I create is not notable, best ask me first and I may reconsider. You know how it is, any editor who creates a new article feels bad when it is quickly criticized. After 1000+ articles I know how to defend mine so sorry that I snapped at you in that way. Best, and happy editing! - Wikidemon (talk) 06:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Hey, I wanna say I'm sorry for causing you a bad day and more 2.5 years ago, when I made unfair accusation against you in that AFD. I just happened to find my way to Drmies' Talk page, and found my way to a side conversation that happened there back then, and then I came to check to see if you were still active, and I am glad to see that you are. I appreciated Drmies comment to you back then, and thanked them, but I think back then that I figured it was better I didn't say anything here. I do apologize now, if I may. Sincerely, --doncram 04:20, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
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About proof of notability
Thank you for adding the expansion tag for LGBT culture in San Francisco. I agree that the article needs to be expanded. However I don't think the article is in danger of deletion, nor is it in danger of merging:
- 1. The "further reading" is of course a resource to people who want to build the article, but it is also more or less a way of saying: Hi! This subject is notable. Please don't do an AFD, because the existence of these sources are proof of notability. Please don't attempt a merge either!
- 2. It's WP:V, and the like. But I also believe other editors should have a sense of common sense. By following common sense, the editor should understand that it is unreasonable to suggest a merge or an AFD. If either one is tried, the natural outcome would be keeping the article.
Having said that I will look for a "statement of notability" such as "ABC, a journalist at DEF, said ...." WhisperToMe (talk) 15:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hopefully what I find in the Google Books editions of The Meaning of Gay: Interaction, Publicity, and Community among Homosexual Men in 1960s San Francisco will make the subject's notability clear WhisperToMe (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, I found a statement of notability from Google Books. Hopefully that will put any concerns to rest :) WhisperToMe (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I see. I wonder if anybody on Wikipedia has done studies on whether undeveloped stubs actually turn off readers.
Back when I started on Wikipedia in 2003 the idea is that a small stub is supposed to be inviting to the reader, who can take it and add more. A small stub is like a seed and an encouragement of other authors to help it grow. I'm afraid that if it just starts as a sub-section of "San Francisco" (which is already very, very large) other less experienced editors won't understand that it's a viable subject. I generally prefer to start the article ASAP and only keep things in my userpage as a draft if I'm unsure that the article meets notability standards.
I think the amount of books that are specifically about the LGBT culture in San Francisco would actually go against the idea of merging temporarily because it's obvious that the subject is viable as a standalone article. Maybe I'm more of an old-school editor but I prefer starting a stub ASAP and inviting others to complete it later, though I do work on the article as it's in the mainspace. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:01, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
- I believe that small stubs are a wonderful part of WP, and essential to its development. what i find problematic is when an obviously huge topic has a very skeletal article, which, when compared to what could be written, is so sparse as to be useless. nearly everyone on earth knows that sf has a lgbt community, and that harvey milk was part of it. I think WP has evolved such that highly notable topics need at the start to at least address the basics, and its a bit of a disservice to have something too sparse be representative of the topic. I think this particular topic is a gross oversight, that should have been dealt with years ago, but i guess no one really wanted to try. I will definitely help if i feel inspired (i rewrote the lede a bit). and i dont think anyone will fault you for trying. if this was built up to about 5 k in size, with links to major topics, it would be fine in articlespace. your or i could knock that out in about a day. go ahead, make my day:).Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
- PS regarding your concern that editors at the SF aticle might think its not a notable topic for a subsection. any such editors there would have their heads up their butts (so far as i know this is not a sexual practice supported by the lgbt community). i wouldnt worry about that. I think people will be flabbergasted if they suddenly realize there is not article about this yet. the only concern would be whether even a subsection can begin to address it adequately prior to full article. it needs at least 50k or so be even a "c" class article, and i wouild say at least 25k for start class, so it will never remain as a subsection, but should be a "main article" link only, not a "see also" link, with at MOST a single sentence like the lede i just created for the article.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:12, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'll keep everything here. Anyway, thank you for your help! I think a lot of the big topics had already been started which is why it's rare to encounter such a big subject with a small stub. Anyway I found some articles which should help add some meat to the bones :) - Keep your eyes peeled while I work some magic WhisperToMe (talk) 20:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
- The article's now at about 8,000 bytes WhisperToMe (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'll keep everything here. Anyway, thank you for your help! I think a lot of the big topics had already been started which is why it's rare to encounter such a big subject with a small stub. Anyway I found some articles which should help add some meat to the bones :) - Keep your eyes peeled while I work some magic WhisperToMe (talk) 20:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
- PS regarding your concern that editors at the SF aticle might think its not a notable topic for a subsection. any such editors there would have their heads up their butts (so far as i know this is not a sexual practice supported by the lgbt community). i wouldnt worry about that. I think people will be flabbergasted if they suddenly realize there is not article about this yet. the only concern would be whether even a subsection can begin to address it adequately prior to full article. it needs at least 50k or so be even a "c" class article, and i wouild say at least 25k for start class, so it will never remain as a subsection, but should be a "main article" link only, not a "see also" link, with at MOST a single sentence like the lede i just created for the article.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:12, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
It's now at 17,486 bytes and an editor went ahead and removed the stub tag. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:16, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- I made it Start class. its about as good as it possibly could be with one editor and this short a history. I expect it to easily expand, as im sure you intend. i added it to the San Francisco article as a main article link in a subsection on lgbt in the city, which i created (that was just me adding subsection breakers or whatever they are called, no real editing), as its definitely useful now. I hope to edit some myself, but you definitely dont need my help. your writing style is very matter of fact, not promotional, which i also try to aspire to.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 15:04, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. :) I do think that using a dispassionate editing style is perhaps the most important thing in Wikipedia editing. I did intend for the article to not only to be expanded, but for it to link to other "LGBT in city" type articles (so they get more exposure) and to encourage and inspire Wikipedians to start their own "LGBT in city" articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:55, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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Invitation to WikiProject Portals
The Portals WikiProject has been rebooted.
There are sections on the WikiProject page dedicated to tasks (including WikiGnome tasks too), and areas on the talk page for discussing the improvement and automation of the various features of portals.
There's a watchlist, of all the pages in the portal namespace, for viewing Related changes.
And more.
You are invited to
We may even surprise ourselves and exceed all expectations. Who knows what we will be able to accomplish in what may become the biggest Wikicollaboration in years.
See ya at the WikiProject!
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Portals WikiProject heads up, April 27, 2018
We now have 52 members, and more are joining daily.
New and easier way to handle excerpts
Attention portal maintainers!
There's a new template to improve existing and new portals, called {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.
It is a lot easier to use than copying and pasting text from articles, as it displays the paragraphs you specify automatically for you.
It makes excerpts so that they are always current and never go stale or
It is more powerful than it looks, because it has the Lua Module:Excerpt supporting it.
Be careful, as it is alpha software. Please notify the WikiProject talkpage of any problems you come across.
To give you a sense of the reaction this template is generating, here is an excerpt of a discussion thread from the WikiProject's talk page:
- This new template is fantastic. I've added it to the intro sections of the portals on Australian cities (eg P:PER) and it works brilliantly. My compliments to its creators. It can probably also be used in other sections of many portals (eg "Selected article" and "Selected biography"), and, for that reason, will probably make the task of maintaining portals a great deal easier. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for being so brave. Portal:Adelaide/Intro just got a lot simpler! Certes (talk) 10:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Kudos on a wonderful template. — The Transhumanist 03:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- This is amazing stuff. I'm going to get to work on using it on the selected content at most of these portals very soon. WaggersTALK 13:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- Kudos on a wonderful template. — The Transhumanist 03:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
The RfC
I wrote a comment in the the April 26 section of the RfC explaining what we are up to. I liked the excerpt above so much, that I went back to my RfC posting, and inserted it.
Please add Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals to your watchlist
Wish list
What's this? An old oil lamp. It's so dirty, I think I'll polish it...
*poof*
Whoa! Are you a WikiGenie? In that case, I get 3 wishes!
I wish...
- ...that Portal:Contents/Portalsbecomes up-to-date. (The missing entries are listed on the talk page, with instructions).
- ...the WikiProject to have Article Alerts. ({{WikiProject Portals}} templates have already been placed on all portal talk pages).
- ...that Portal:Cricket becomes a shining example of portal excellence. (It was the main example of a crappy and unmaintained portal at the RfC).
Please make my wishes come true. See you around the portals! — The Transhumanist 08:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
WikiProject Portals Overview, May 04, 2018
Thank you for being a member of the Portals WikiProject, and thank you for all the work you have all been doing on the portal namespace. To see the activity, check out the watchlist.
This is our 3rd issue, see previous issues at the Newsletter archive.
Top priority: Main list of portals needs updating
The top, and one of the most visible parts, of the portal system is
About half of the missing existing portals have been added since this WikiProject's reboot (April 17th). Thank you to RockMagnetist, TriNitrobrick, Polyamorph, PratyushSinha101, Ganesha811, Bermicourt, Javert2113, Noyster, Ɱ, Lepricavark, XOR'easter, and Emir of Wikipedia, for working on this.
We are half-way to completion with this. We need everyone to chip in until it is done. Instructions, and the list of missing entries are at
I hope you'll join me there. ("Many hands make light work").
Thank you.
Membership
We're at 66 members, with more joining daily. We even have 6 WikiGnomes!
Special thanks
I have awarded Certes with a portals barnstar on his talk page for his work on the new excerpt templates that are revolutionizing the portal system (Template:Transclude lead excerpt & Template:Transclude random excerpt). If you'd like to show your appreciation, please feel free to stop by his talk page and add your signature to the barnstar itself.
Thank you Certes. You are enabling this WikiProject to get the right things done, fast.
By the way, the templates have already gone international. After being told about the templates, Mossab wrote:
Thanks You very much!. Those are fantastic and great templates! I transferred them to Arabic Wikipedia and they do a magic great job. I worked to improve portal anatomy here and i do every thing i can to improve it and i am very sad for the nomination for deletion of portals :(. I am glad to be member on WikiProject Portals and i added my name with pleasure. Kind regards
RFC
As you know, the (April 8th) proposal to delete all portals and the portal namespace inspired the reboot of this WikiProject. RfCs typically run for 30 days, which means there are 5 days left including today, before the RfC will be closed. The !votes are predominantly "oppose", but many editors have shared their disappointment with the portal system. We have our work cut out for us in correcting the problems of the portals to address their concerns. Complaints ranged from being out of date and lacking maintenance, to taking up the time of editors that they felt (due to low traffic) would be better spent improving articles.
Anti-WikiProject drama
This past week has been somewhat stressful for me, with more than a little conflict...
It culminated with my being reported at the Administrator's Noticeboard "for spamming and canvassing". This is the second time I've been reported there during the RfC; the first one was for posting notices of the deletion discussion (the RfC) at the top of all portal pages.
The accusations were 1) Posting notices of the deletion discussion (the RfC) at the top of all portal pages, 2) Adding an Article alerts section to the Portals WikiProject page, and 3) posting notices (invitations) about this WikiProject on user talk and portal talk pages.
None of which fall under the Wikipedia definitions of spamming or canvassing.
Thank you, Lionelt and Lepricavark, for coming to my rescue. I don't know how the discussion would have turned out if you had not spoken up.
The discussion was closed as "no action necessary".
After that, the person responsible posted their thoughts to my talk page. Here they are, with my response:
Congratulations, it appears your relentless targeted advertising of the RFC, your beating the RFC Supporters with a stick by posting countless times there, your dishonest insistence that Current Events was on the chopping block, and your obstruction of clean up efforts at MfD are paying dividends. Have fun playing with Portal space where no one will read your work. I'm sure someone will eventually clean up the mess when your interest wanes. Cheers. Legacypac
- Thank you. I accept your congratulations on behalf of Wikiproject Portals and the portal-loving community – it was a team effort. In addition, I'd like to clarify some things about your claims above...
- Each page nominated for deletion must have a notice at the top of its page, per the deletion guideline. Not to have one there, would be unfair to those who use such pages, and would constitute a secret deletion tribunal. We don't do things that way on Wikipedia.
- As new facts became available (e.g., a motivated and thriving WikiProject to support the portals, new building blocks, etc.), it was appropriate to post the developments to the RfC, to support informed decision making.
- Proposals are literal, not figurative. The proposal specified "all portals". All means all.
- The fact is, the rebooted WikiProject is cleaning up the mess, rather rapidly. By updating and upgrading the portals, rather than getting rid of them.
- I think I'll be hanging around for awhile, but the project is more than likely to achieve critical mass and may outlive us all, due in part to the development of tools to assist editors in building, upgrading, and maintaining portals that are fully dynamic and self-updating.
- Portals are more fun to work with than ever. Thank you for your role in making this happen. You made us try even harder, and inspired us to pull together as a team. You'll have a warm place in our hearts, forever. The Transhumanist
- Thank you. I accept your congratulations on behalf of Wikiproject Portals and the portal-loving community – it was a team effort. In addition, I'd like to clarify some things about your claims above...
Automatically refreshed excerpts
The main advancement we've made so far is applying
Obsoleting subpages
Excerpts are migrating toward the base page of each portal, and where this is done, a subpage is no longer needed.
Template:Transclude lead excerpt will be able to be used to put the intro excerpt directly on the portal page, rather than on an intro subpage, once we adapt a portal design to accommodate this.
Template:Transclude random excerpt is currently being used on 1st-level subpages, and eliminates the need for 2nd-level subpages. (Many portals have 2 levels of subpages).
There are about 1500 portals, but there are around 148,000 subpages in portal space. Further discussions are needed to develop designs and components that do not require them.
It is my hope that the portal of the future will be a single page, or close to it, pulling in excerpts from specified dynamic sources (like category pages), filtered by ratings. This would obviate the need for subpages at all (except for maybe the header and footer subpages, which store a portal's settings). A more likely near-term solution would be subpages with a list maintained by a bot, or editors using semi-automatic tools.
New portals
Since the reboot, a new portal has been created:
Please watchlist these pages
Some central pages in the portal system. The more eyes on them, the better.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals
- User:The Transhumanist (there's a fair amount of portal project traffic on my talk page these days)
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Portal/List of all portals/Page 1
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Portal/List of all portals/Page 2
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Portal/List of all portals/Page 3
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Portal/List of all portals/Page 4
- Wikipedia:Portal:Portal Example portal. And funny.
- Portal:Contents/Portals
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Culture and the arts
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Geography and places
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Health and fitness
- Portal:Contents/Portals/History and events
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Infobox
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Intro
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Mathematics and logic
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Natural and physical sciences
- Portal:Contents/Portals/People and self
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Philosophy and thinking
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Portal nav footer
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Reference
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Religion and belief systems
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Society and social sciences
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Technology and applied sciences
- Portal:Contents/Portals/Topic
Wrapping up...
There's more in the works, like a rating system, further redesigns, etc. Keep an eye on the discussions on the project's talk page. They should start showing up there soon.
Hope to see you there. Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 06:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Portals WikiProject update, 15 May 2018
We are at 74 members. If you know anyone who might find this WikiProject interesting, please invite them.
The RfC has ended
The RfC was closed May 11th, and a closing statement was posted May 12th which says "There exists a strong consensus against deleting or even deprecating portals at this time."
Ongoing tasks
Some major activities that we are in the middle of include:
- Adding the talk page. There are about 125 portals left to be processed. (There were 400). Keep up the good work!
- Development discussions on how to migrate the subpages to the base pages. There are around 150,000 subpages in portal space, associated with the various sections on a typical portal. We are trying to obsolete them section type by section type. Currently, we're working on obsoleting the intro subpages and the "selected articles" subpages. Please join in.
Other tasks
- The list of portals not ready to be listed on the main list can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#These are not listed yet (scroll down to see them - they are marked Not ready). They are incomplete. If you want a specific portal to work on, please consider choosing one from that list.
- Over the years, some incomplete portals (portals under construction) got added to Portal:Contents/Portals, I'm already almost done inspecting the portals in the culture section, and so you can skip those. The types of things to look for are empty sections (most will have a redlinked subpage), lack of "selected" sections, portal stubs with just an intro and end sections, and very poor layout (like seriously unbalanced columns).
Portal-building resources
During his work on portals, Broter found a quote randomizer. It is {{Random quotation}}.
Trailblazer: approaching the one-page portal
Broter has transformed the Portal:Community of Christ so it is comprised of only 3 pages in portal space: the base page, its box-header subpage, and its box-footer subpage. Its other other subpages are now obsolete and are waiting for deletion. Nice job, Broter!
Well, that's all for now. See ya around the portals. — The Transhumanist 06:38, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
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Portals WikiProject update, 25 May 2018
We have grown to 79 members.
Please provide a warm welcome to our latest additions, Wpgbrown, Cactus.man, JLJ001, and Wumbolo.
A lot is going on, much of it on the WikiProject's talk page, so be sure to go there and join in on any of the many discussions taking place there.
Elsewhere around the portal project, or related to portals, the following is happening...
New news template ready for testing
Evad37 has created a new template, with supporting lua module, to handle news in portals...
{{Transclude selected current events}} is ready to be tested in some actual portals. Let Evad37 know if you need help with the search patterns.
Noyster commented that "This is the best portal innovation since sliced bread!"
See the relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Alternative to Wikinews.
Thank you, Evad.
Coming soon: Automatic article alerts (but there is a glitch)
Our WikiProject is now subscribed to the bot that makes automatic article alerts, but the subpage where they are posted has not been added to our WikiProject page yet because of a weird problem...
Featured portal nominations from two years ago keep popping up on there.
Please check Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals/Article alerts to see if you can figure out how to fix this.
Once that is remedied, it will be posted on our WikiProject page.
Thank you.
Note that, this will only track base pages, because to track the rest, we'd have to create over 140,000 talk pages for the subpages, and that just isn't worthwhile (as we're trying to remove the subpages anyways). Therefore, any alerts for subpages will still need to be posted manually.
New portal, still needs work
- Portal:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, courtesy of Mozart834428196. See also, the discussion.
Drafting a new portals guideline
Your input/editing is welcome on the draft-in-progress of a new guideline for portals.
See or work on the draft at User:Cesdeva/sandbox11.
See also the discussion at:
RfC on new TOC layout for main portal list
There is a proposal to change the look of the table of contents at
See:
Deletion discussion survivors
Thank you to those who have participated in portal deletion discussions. There are still some editors out there who despise portals, and this comes across in their argumentation style. Wow. Such negativity. But, there is some good news...
- Portal:Quidditch survived its 2nd deletion nomination
- Portal:Prehistory of Antarctica did the same
Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page.
Portal space clean up
While portal detractors are trying to get rid of portals via MfD, we have deleted many of them via speedy deletion (per {{
We are also removing subpages, the functions of which have been migrated to portal base pages. To see which ones have been removed, look for the redlinks in our watchlist.
There is also an MfD concerning some of these at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Redundant subpages of the Cornwall portal.
For subpages that need to be deleted, you can conveniently place this speedy deletion template at the top of each of them:
{{Db-g6|rationale=of subpage clean up – this subpage's function has been migrated to the portal base page and is no longer needed}}
Then an admin will come along and delete them.
Please help list the unlisted portals!
There are still 100 existing portals not yet presented on the main portal list at
Please list a couple of them. Every little bit helps. If each member of this project listed one more, it would almost all be done. Many hands make light work.
The list of missings, and instructions, are to be found at
I hope to see you there!
Wrapping up
These developments make up just the tip of the iceberg. I'll have more to report in the next update, soon. — The Transhumanist 00:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Whoa, I missed one...
There's an article about the Portals WikiProject in the new issue of Signpost:
Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-05-24/WikiProject report
Enjoy.
P.S.: We now have 80 members. Evad37 just joined! — The Transhumanist 01:37, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Portals WikiProject update #007, 31 May 2018
We have grown to 89 members.
This is the seventh issue of this newsletter. For previous issues, see our newsletter archive.
Welcome
A warm welcome to our nearly one dozen new members...
Our new members include:
- Evad37
- Checkingfax
- Grey Wanderer
- Voceditenore
- TestPAKISTAN
- Godsy
- Greatedits1
- Charlesdrakew
- Ww2censor
- Simon Burchell
- TheGridExe
Be sure to say "hi" and welcome them to the team.
The portal set has shrunk
There were 1515 portals, but now we have 1475, because we speedy deleted a bunch of incompleted portals that had been sitting around for ages, that were empty shells or had very little content. Because they were speedied, they can be rebuilt from scratch without acquiring approval from
Maintenance runs on the portals set have begun
This is what we have been gearing up for: upgrading the portals en masse, using AWB.
More than half of the Associated Wikimedia sections have been converted to no longer use a subpage. This chore will probably be completed over the next week or two. Many thanks to the WikiGnome Squad, who have added an Associated Wikimedia section to the many geography-related portals that lacked one. The rest of the subjects await. :)
The next maintenance drive will be on the intro sections. Notices have gone out to the WikiProjects for which one or more portals fall within their subject scope. Once enough time has elapsed for them to respond (1 week), AWB processing of intro sections will begin.
Thank you, you
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your part in the RfC. I went back and reread much of it. I believe your enthusiasm played a major part in turning the tide on there. I'm proud of all of you.
Why reread that mess, you ask?
To harvest ideas, and to keep the problems that need to be fixed firmly in mind. But, also to keep in touch. See below...
Thank yous all around
I've contacted all of the other opposers of the RfC proposal to delete portals, to thank them for their support, and to assure them that their decision was not made in vain. I updated them on our activities, provided the link to the
Sockpuppet, and reverting his work
It so happened that one of our members was a sockpuppet: JLJ001. According to the admin who blocked him, he was a particularly tricky long term abuser. This is a weird situation, since the user was quite helpful. He will be missed.
This has been somewhat disruptive, because admins are doing routine deletions of the pages (portals, templates, etc.) he created, and reversion of his edits (I don't know if they will be reverting all of them). Please bear with them, as they are only doing what is best in the long run.
The following pages have been deleted by the admins so far, that I know of:
- Portal:Plymouth
- Portal:Bedfordshire
- Portal:Suffolk
- Portal:Norfolk
- User:JLJ001/tag
- Template:Non-standard portal flag
- Template:Portal flag
Automation so far, section by section...
- Intro – {{Transclude lead excerpt}}
- Selected article – {{Transclude random excerpt}}
- In the news – {{Transclude selected current events}}
- Associated Wikimedia –
{{Wikimedia for portals|species=no|voy=no}}
- Categories –
{{#tag:categorytree|{{PAGENAME}}}}
Automatic article alerts is up and running
Automatic article alerts are now featured on the project page.
Some super out-of-date entries kept showing up on there, so posting it on the Project page was delayed. Thanks to Evad37 and AfroThundr for providing solutions on this one. Evad37 adjusted the workflow settings per Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscribing#Choosing workflows, to make sure only the appropriate page types show up. AfroThundr removed the tags from the old entries that caused them to keep showing up in the article alerts.
Other things that could use some automation
Noyster pointed out that it would be nice to automate the updating of the portals section at the Community bulletin board.
Another major component of the portal system is the main list of portals, at
Please post your ideas on the WikiProject's talk page. Thank you.
Deletion discussion survivors
Keep in mind that we have already speedy deleted almost all of the nearly empty portals, which can be rebuilt without approval whenever it is convenient to do so. Other portals should be completed if at all possible rather than delete them through MfD (which requires approval from
- Portal:Juanes – see the discussion
(Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page).
Portals needing repair
Wrapping up
There's still more, but it will have to wait until next issue.
Until then, see ya around the project. — The Transhumanist 12:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Portals WikiProject update #008, 7 June 2018
The WikiProject now has 92 participants, including 16 admins.
Welcome
A warm welcome to the newest members of the team:
Be sure to say hi.
Congrats
Pbsouthwood has just gotten through the grueling RfA process to become a Wikipedia administrator. Be sure to congratulate him.
The reason he went for it was: "For some time I expect to be busy with subpage deletion for Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals as mentioned above. The amount of work is expected to keep me busy for some time. I am primarly a content creator and contributor to policy discussions, but would be willing to consider other admin work on request, providing that I feel that my involvement would be appropriate and not too far outside my comfort zone."
New feature: Picture slideshow
Evad37 has figured out a way to let the user flip through pictures without purging the page. Purging is awkward because there is an intermediary confirmation screen that you have to click on "yes". In the new picture slideshow section, all you have to do is click on the >
to go to the next picture or <
to instantly show the previous feature. The feature also shuffles the pictures when the page is initiated, so that they are shown in a different order each time the user visits the page (or purges it).
It is featured in Portal:Sacramento, California. Check it out to the right.
Keep in mind that the feature is a beta version. Please share your comments on how to refine this feature, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Refining the Picture slideshow.
The one-page portal has been achieved
We now have a one-page portal design. It isn't fully automated, nor is it even fully semi-automated, as there are still some manually filled-in areas. But it no longer requires any subpages in portal space, and that is a huge improvement. For example, Portal:Sacramento, California utilizes the one-page design concept. While is employs heavy use of templates, it does not have any subpages of its own.
I commend you for your teamwork
This is the most cooperative team I've ever seen. With a strong spirit of working together to get an important job done. Kudos to you.
In conclusion...
There's more. A lot more. But it will have to wait until next issue, but you don't have to wait. See what's going on at the
Portals WikiProject update #009, 15 June 2018
Don't mind that box to the right. We'll be talking about that later, below.
Almost done...
With the portals upgrades?
No. :)
What is almost done is the updating of the main list of portals!
There are 23 portals left to be listed.
Kudos to the WikiGnome Squadron, for spearheading this.
Once it is fully updated, we need to keep it up to date. When you complete a portal, remember to add it to
Concerning portal upgrades, we are working on those section-by-section...
Associated Wikimedia section conversion task complete
The Associated Wikimedia sections of the entire set of portals have been upgraded. These are now handled on each portal base page (bypassing the previously used corresponding subpages), using the {{Wikimedia for portals}} template rather than reiterated copied/pasted code.
So, to be more accurate on reporting upgrade progress, that's one section down (for the whole set of portals), with (about) nine sections to go. (Skipping curated portals, regarding custom content sections, of course).
Further section conversions (using AWB)
Work is underway on converting Portals' introduction sections, and the categories sections.
If you would like to help, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Upgrade introduction sections and Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#AWB task: Convert category sections
Further section conversions (by hand)
Work has also started with converting selected picture sections to picture slideshow sections. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Install picture slideshows.
Quality rating system for portals under development
Currently, there is no quality rating for portals: in the Portals WikiProject box on each portals' talk page, it just says "Portal". But times are a changin'. Quality assessment is on the way, and you can help. See
What's coming: excerpt slideshows
Evad37 has figured out a way to apply the picture slideshow feature to displaying article excerpts (now you can check out the provided box above). :) This allows us to bypass page purging to see the next selection, and you can even click through them rather quickly. Currently, the wikicode for doing this for article excerpts is a bit eye-boggling, and so we are looking into simplifying it. A streamlined version may be just around the corner.
Note that this is a prototype, not ready for widespread use. Click on the box in between the lesser than and greater than signs, to see what I mean. It was meant for pictures, and so the thumbnail feature doesn't apply to article prose very well. I've presented it even though it isn't ready, to show the direction portal development is heading. See
Wow
I'm amazed at how rapidly portals are evolving. And we're still within a single generation of portal technological evolution. Imagine what they might be in 2 or 3 more generations of developments. Pretty soon, portals will be able to shake your hand. :) — The Transhumanist 11:04, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
The Signpost: 29 June 2018
- Special report: NPR and AfC – The Marshall Plan: an engagement and a marriage?
- Op-ed: What do admins do?
- News and notes: Money, milestones, and Wikimania
- In the media: Much wikilove from the Mayor of London, less from Paekākāriki or a certain candidate for U.S. Congress
- Discussion report: Deletion, page moves, and an update to the main page
- Featured content: New promotions
- Arbitration report: WWII, UK politics, and a user deCrat'ed
- Traffic report: Endgame
- Technology report: Improvements piled on more improvements
- Gallery: Wiki Loves Africa
- Recent research: How censorship can backfire and conversations can go awry
- Humour: Television plot lines
- Wikipedia essays: This month's pick by The Signpost editors
- From the archives: Wolves nip at Wikipedia's heels: A perspective on the cost of paid editing
Portals WikiProject update #010, 30 June 2018
We've grown to 94 participants.
A warm welcome to dcljr and Kpgjhpjm.
Rating system for portals
We are in the process of developing a rating system specifically for portals, as the quality assessment scheme for articles does not apply to portals. It is coming along nicely. Your input would be very helpful. See the discussion at
Better than a barnstar
One of our participants got involved with this WikiProject through interest in how the new generation of portals would be handled in WP's MOS (Manual of Style). It didn't take long before he got sucked in deeper. This has given him an opportunity to look around, and so, he has made an assessment of this WikiProject's operations:
I'm quite frankly really impressed and inspired by what's happening here. If you'd asked me a year ago if I thought portals should just be scrapped as a failed, dragged-out experiment, I would have said "yes". This planning and the progress toward making it all practical is exemplary of the wiki spirit, in particular of a happy service-to-readers puppy properly wagging its technological and editorial tail instead of the other way around, and without "drama". It's also one of the few examples I've seen in a long time of a new wikiproject actually doing something useful and fomenting constructive activity (instead of acting as a barrier to participation, and a canvassing/ownership farm for PoV pushers). Kudos all around. — SMcCandlish
Congratulations, everyone. Keep up the great work.
Slideshow development
We've run into a glitch with slideshows: they don't work on mobile devices.
Initially, we will need to explore options that allow portals to have slideshows without adversely affecting mobile viewers. See
Eventually, we may need another way to do slideshows. If we do go this route, and I don't see why we wouldn't, then (user configurable) automatic slideshows also become a possibility.
TemplateStyles RfC passed
Once implemented, this will allow editors to create and edit cascading style sheets for use with templates. This will expand what we can do with portals. For more detail, see mw:Extension:TemplateStyles and Wikipedia:TemplateStyles.
Automation effort
We've run into an obstacle using Lua-based selective transclusion: Lua is incapable (on Wikipedia) of reading in article names from categories. Because of this, we'll need to seek other approaches for fully automating the Selected article section. We are exploring sources other than categories, and other technologies besides Lua.
Speaking of using other sources, the template {{Transclude list item excerpt}} collects list items from a specified page, or from a section of that page, and transcludes the lead from a randomly selected link from that list. Courtesy of Certes. So, if you use this in a portal, and if the template specifies a page or section serviced by JL-Bot, you've now got yourself an automatically updated section in the portal. JL-Bot provides links to featured content and good articles, by subject.
What is "fully automated"? When you create a portal using a creation template, and the portal works thereafter without editor intervention, the portal is fully automated. That is, the portal is supported by features that fetch new content. If you have to add new article names every so often for it to display new content, then it is only semi-automated.
Currently, the Selected article section is semi-automated, because it requires that an editor supplies the names of the various articles for which excerpts are (automatically) displayed. For examples, look at the wikisource code of
So far, 3 sections are fully automatable: the introduction section, the categories section, and the Associated Wikimedia section.
Where is all this heading?
Henry.
Or some other name.
Eventually, the portal department will be a software program. And we won't have to do anything (unless we want to). Not even tell it what portals to create (unless we want to). It will just do it all (plus whatever else we want it to do). And we will of course give it good manners, and a name.
But, that is a few years off.
Until then, building portals is still (partially) up to us. — The Transhumanist 13:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Portals WikiProject update #011, 10 July 2018
We now have 97 participants.
Be sure to welcome our newest members,
Work is proceeding apace. We have 2 major thrusts right now: converting the intro sections of portals, and building the components of the one-page automated model...
- Converting the intro sections
We need everybody, except those building software components, to work on converting intros. If you have AWB, definitely use that. If not, then work on them manually. Even one a day, or as often as you can muster, will help a lot. There are only about 1,000 of them left to go, so if everyone chips in, it will go pretty quickly. Remember, there are 97 of us!
The intros for most of the portals starting with A through F have already been converted to use the {{Transclude lead excerpt}} template.
The standard wikicode for the automated intro that we want to put into place looks like this:
{{/box-header|Introduction|noedit=yes|}}
{{Transclude lead excerpt | {{PAGENAME}} | paragraphs=1-2 | files=1}}
{{Box-footer|[[{{PAGENAME}}|Read more...]]}}
That works for most portals, but not all. For some portals it requires some tweaking, and for others, we may have to use a different or more customized approach. Remember to visually inspect each portal you work on and make sure that it works before moving on to the next one.
Be sure to skip user-maintained portals. They are listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals#Specific_portal_maintainers.
- AWB tips
I've started an AWB tips page, for those of you feeling a bit overwhelmed by that power user tool. Feel free to add to it and/or improve it.
- Portal automation
We have some very talented Lua programmers, who are pushing the limits of what we can do in gathering data from Wikipedia's various namespaces and presenting it in portals. Due to their efforts, Lua is powering the selective transclusion core of our emerging automated portal design, in the form of selected article sections that rotate content, and slideshows.
To go beyond Lua's limits, to take full advantage of Mediawiki's API, we are in the midst of adding another programming language to the resources we shall be making use of: JavaScript. The ways that JavaScript can help us edit portals to boost the power of our Lua solutions, are being explored, which will likely make the two languages synergistic if not symbiotic. Research is under way on how we can use JavaScript to make some of the portal semi-automated features fully automatically self-updating, in ways that Lua cannot. Like gathering random members from a category and inserting them into a portal's templates as parameters. Once the parameters are in place, Lua does the rest.
If you would like to get involved with design efforts, or just keep up on them, see
- When should we start building new portals?
Well, not at the present time, because building portals is quite time consuming. The good news is that we are working on a design that will be fully automated, or as close to that as we can get. And the new design is being implemented in the portal department's
What I'm getting at here, is that it would be better to wait to build lots of new portals until after the new design is completed. Because with it, instead of taking hours to create a new portal, it will likely take minutes.
That does not mean we should be idle in the meantime. The main reason most of us are here is because it became apparent that portals were largely unmaintained and had grown out-of-date. This had become so apparent that a proposal was made to delete all the portals and the portal namespace to boot. That makes our main objective in the short term to improve all the existing portals so that the community will want to keep them—forever.
Building lots of new portals comes later. Let's fix up the ones we have first. ;)
And on that note, I bid you adieu. Until next newsletter, see ya 'round the WikiProject. — The Transhumanist 12:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Portals WikiProject update #012, 15 July 2018
We have 97 participants.
Getting faster
Automation makes things go faster, even portal creation. One of the components Certes made was {{Transclude list item excerpt}}. I became curious about its possible applications.
So I worked out a portal design using it, the initial prototypes being Portal:Kyoto (without a "Selected pictures" section), and Portal:Dubai (with a "Selected pictures" section). Then I used Portal:Dubai as the basis for further portals of this type...
- I was able to revamp Portal:Munich from start to finish in less than 22 minutes.
- Portal:Dresden took about 19 minutes.
- Portal:Athens took less than 17 minutes.
- Did Portal:Florence in about 13 minutes.
- Portal:Stockholm also in about 13.
- Portal:Palermo approx. 12 minutes.
Why?
To see, and to show, what may become feasible via automation.
It now looks highly feasible that we could get portal construction time down to a few minutes, or maybe even down to a few seconds.
The singularity is just around the corner. :)
Slideshows
When using the {{Random slideshow}} template to display pictures, be sure to use the plural tense in the section title: "Selected pictures". That's because slideshows don't show up on many mobile devices. Instead the whole set of pictures is shown, hence the section title "Selected pictures", as it fits both situations.
In case you are curious, here is a list of the portals so far that have a slideshow:
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Progress on intro conversions
The intros for most of the portals up through the letter "O" have been converted, using this wikicode:
{{/box-header|Introduction|noedit=yes|}}
{{Transclude lead excerpt | {{PAGENAME}} | paragraphs=1-2 | files=1}}
{{Box-footer|[[{{PAGENAME}}|Read more...]]}}
Where the pagename didn't match the article title for the subject, the title was typed in.
Most of the portals that do not contain {{/intro}}
or {{{{FULLPGENAME}}/Intro}}
have not yet been processed.
About a thousand portals use the method of selective transclusion for the intro section. That's about two-thirds. That means we have one-third of the way to go on the intro section conversions.
Much more to come...
So much has been happening with portals that I can't keep up with it. (That's good). Which means, more in the upcoming issue. Until then, see ya 'round the project. Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 08:46, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Portals WikiProject update #013, 18 July 2018
I got overwhelmed IRL (in real life) during the production of issue #12. So, here is a catch-up issue, to help bring you (and me) up to speed on what is happening with portals...
By the way, we still have 97 participants. (Tell all your friends about this WikiProject, and have them join!)
Panoramas!
One cool feature of some of the geographical portals is a panoramic picture at the top of the intro section.
Check these out:
- Portal:Kyoto
- Portal:Miami
- Portal:Seattle
- Portal:Houston
- Portal:Tokyo
- Portal:New Orleans
- Portal:Brisbane
- Portal:Calgary
- Portal:Moscow
The Portals WikiGnome squadron is busy adding panoramas to geographical portals that don't yet have one. Feel free to join in on the fun. See task details at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Add a panorama or skyline to a geographic portal.
Caveat: avoid super-huge pics, as they can cause portal scripts to time-out. Please try to keep picture size down below 2 megabytes. Thank you.
Auto-populated slideshows
Speaking of pictures...
We now have two slideshow templates. You may be familiar with {{Random slideshow}}, in which the editor types in (or copies/pastes) a list of pictures he or she wants it to display.
Well, now we have another template, courtesy of Evad37, which accepts one or more page names instead, and displays a random image off of the listed pages. So instead of listing dozens of files by hand, you can include a title or three to be scanned automatically. It even lets you specify particular sections.
The new slideshow template is {{Transclude files as random slideshow}}.
Here's a sample, that grabs images from a single page:
Selected motorcycle or motorcycling pictures
-
BMW R1200RT Sport Touring Motorcycle (from Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling)2015
- Logo of the
- Brough Superior SS 100 1925 (from
-
Mallory Park, England (from Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling)FIM Motocross World Championship, taking place at
-
Honda Super Cub, the archetypal underbone and the world's best-selling motor vehicle (from Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling)
- BMW's first motorcycle, the 1923-1925
- Lucius Copeland 1894 (from
- Ernesto 'Che' Guevara (left) holding the handlebars of his 500 cc single cylinder Norton motorcycle (from
-
A 1969Captain America' bike from Easy Rider (from Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling)
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Joey Dunlop on his Honda RC30 ready for the Senior TT (from Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling)
- A 1954 Triumph
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inline four, the first to be called a 'superbike', and the archetypal Universal Japanese Motorcycle (from Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling)
New Template:Box-header colour
Speaking of new templates, here's another one!
Also from Evad37, we have a new component for starting section boxes, that is color configurable, and that bypasses the need for box-header subpages altogether. It is {{Box-header colour}}.
For color support, see Web colors.
For the discussion in which this was inspired, see
(In case you didn't notice, the slideshow box above uses this new template).
BTW, don't forget to close your box with {{Box-footer}}.
Where are we on the redesign?
The answer to this question is quite involved, and would fill this page to overflowing. Therefore, this subject, including a complete update on where we are at and where we are going with portal design, is covered at
Where are we on portal conversion?
An AWB pass to convert intros on the portals has been completed. The pass couldn't convert them all (due to various formatting configurations, etc.).
All but about 170 portals now have introductions selectively transcluded on the base page. Not counting manually maintained portals, that leaves about 70 portals that either need their intros converted, or they need an intro.
Next, we'll be converting the categories sections!
What's the plan, man?
The course of action we have been taking goes something like this, with all steps being pursued simultaeneously...
1) Design a one-page automated portal model
2) Convert existing portals to that design (except those being manually maintained)
3) Remove subpages no longer needed
4) Develop further tools to empower editors working on portals
Later, when the tools are up to the task, filling in the gaps in coverage (with new portals) will also become practical.
Are we caught up yet?
Probably not.
Who knows what our programmers and editors have dreamed up while I was writing this.
See ya again soon, — The Transhumanist 11:07, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Portals WikiProject update #014, 27 July 2018
Development of design continues, full speed ahead...
Excerpt slideshows are here!
Can you say "paradigm shift"?
Now, in addition to picture slideshows, we have slideshows that can display excerpts. Portals are not just for topic tasting anymore. Now they can be made useful for surveying Wikipedia's coverage of entire subjects. This gives a deeper meaning to their name. Hmmm. "Portals"... Doorways to knowledge.
Portal:Lithuania was redesigned using excerpt slideshows. Check it out.
For those of you who cannot wait to test out these new toys...
We have not one, but three excerpt slideshow components to pick from:
{{Transclude excerpts as random slideshow}}
- For this one, you specify the page names where the excerpts are to be extracted from.
{{Transclude list item excerpts as random slideshow}}
- This one accepts source pages from where the page names are gathered from list items. Then an excerpt from one of those pages is displayed. The selection of what is included in the slide show can be limited to a specific number from the collection (of the page names gathered), and that selection is renewed from scratch each time the page is purged.
- For example, if you specify Template:World Heritage Sites in Spain as a source page, the slideshow will cycle through those sites. Now you don't have to type them in one-by-one. This greatly reduces portal creation time.
{{Transclude linked excerpts as random slideshow}}
- Same as above, but gathers links instead of just linked list items.
Panoramic banners
{{Portal image banner}} displays a panoramic picture the width of the page, and adjusts its size, so it stays that way even if the user changes page view size. And it accepts multiple file names, so that the picture displayed randomizes between them each time the page is visited/purged.
Give resizing the page a try:
You can now balance section boxes
Before: