Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive43

I have been the only one running checks on RfCU for the last several weeks (Mackensen was running some as well before that, but I believe he is on break at the moment). Right now, I'm not running any checks, pending improvement of some issues at RfCU. If other checkusers would like to pick up where I've left off, they of course can, but if I'm going to go back to running them all, I need some clerks and some admins to back me up; those interested are welcome to ask how here or on my talk page. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 08:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't have checkuser abilities, but I can help to a limited extent. If people are happy for me to do this, I'll filter through

WP:RfCU and reject the requests that don't meet the policy stated at the top of the page. It'll make it easier for the checkuser-users... --Lord Deskana ^{Dark Lord of the Sith}

18:25, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Typically a substantial portion of the requests on RFCU are out of policy, so that would likely be quite useful. Kelly Martin (talk) 22:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd prefer that non-checkusers didn't reject requests; sometimes something looks too small for checkuser, but there is something going on underneath that needs investigating. Also, people tend to get upset when their requests are rejected by checkusers; I imagine this would only be more so if it was done by a non-checkuser. Most of the work I need help with is clerk-type work, so I've set up a clerk system to help keep things running. Those interested in helping with clerk work can find more information at

Wikipedia:Requests for CheckUser/Clerks. In addition, I've cleaned out the backlog. Essjay (Talk • Connect

) 22:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

User:HighwayCello keeps interfiering with all edits. Its like hes using me.

• It just Happens to be images I upload that he used (I din't create them but I uploaded them)
• It just happens to be articles I edit, he edits.
• It just happens that HighwayCello looks at every page I edit.

He seems to be following me around Wikipedia.

He might be checking my contributions to see what articles I edit, and then edit them (even though I don't know if that part is true)

Every time I make a talk comment in any of the talk pages withing the Pokémon portal, he tries to interfiere. When tried to tell an administrator at User talk:Actown, to do something about it, HighwayCello tried to reverse the action so he would blame me instead of HighwayCello. Thats another thing, he just happened to be posting comments on User talk:Actown.

He was rejected as an administrator (Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/HighwayCello) but is trying to pretend to be one by telling me what I can't do on Wikipedia when there was no message on any Wikipedia project page.

Please do something about this.

To HighwayCello: Please do not reply to this message as I know you'll try to reverse this message so the administrators will blame me instead of you.

I Love Minun 10:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's appropriate to say don't listen to him just take what I say as the truth. --pgk^(talk) 12:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

As I've mentioned on User:Iloveminun's talk page, it sure seems like User:Iloveminun is the one doing the personal attacks. I ask that User:Iloveminun please cease the same. -- Samir धर्म 14:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you point out which personal attacks you would like me to cease, since I'm not aware of any I have made. --pgk^(talk) 14:37, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

So sorry Pgk, my comments were directed at User:Iloveminun. I've amended the above, as it seems ambiguous even to me on a second read -- Samir धर्म 16:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

If you are making accusations about me, I have every right to defend myself. Full log - User:HighwayCello/Minun. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thats ancient history. What you are doing is a lot worse.—The preceding

unsigned comment was added by Iloveminun (talk • contribs

) .

And

nobody owns any page. You can't ask someone not to write on a page. It's not right (punning of me). --Lord Deskana ^{Dark Lord of the Sith}

18:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Admins --> Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/June 3 --feydey 12:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Done, thanks. feydey 14:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

For future reference, reports of errors on the Main Page should go to

WP:ERRORS for a fast response. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?

) 15:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

The last time I asked this question, I was blocked. I would like to know if one can really use a comicbook as a source for an article about the same comicbook. The same goes for movies: can someone use a particular movie - say Pulp Fiction - to write an article about Pulp Fiction and use only the movie as a source? Another admin whom I corrosponded with said that in the Plot Section, there should be a third-party reference and I agree; elsewise, it's the author that must interpret the plot and then the article falls under Original Research and reads as a review, instead of an encyclopedia article. --Candide, or Optimism 19:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

This user's problem is that there is no 'independent source' for the plot of movies. --InShaneee 19:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Bingo! Should there be independent sources for the plot section or can anyone write about the plot? --Candide, or Optimism 19:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The movie isn't going to write its own plot summary. --InShaneee 19:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

You were not blocked for asking this question, and your repeated assertion that you are is just more of your continued trolling. You were blocked for violating

WP:POINT because you were unhappy that I would have the temerity to ask for a source for one of the articles you held dear, so you went off and started demanding sources for every other article you could find. I suggest you stop this continued trolling. User:Zoe|^(talk)

19:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

But I had stopped doing that after your first warning, so how can I have been blocked for that if I was no longer doing it? I had stopped removing unsourced info long before your block. Anyway, this is off-topic. I'm just here to get a few answers to my inquiry, if you don't mind. --Candide, or Optimism 19:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

He's now brought this up again as retrobution for my warning him for personal attacks. --InShaneee 19:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm quite aware of that. Could you please explain that to Mikkalai, my stalker? User:Zoe|^(talk) 20:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Not a bad idea. We should swap detractors sometime! --InShaneee 21:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Calling an oldtimer and respectful admin for stalker is quite uncivil. He didn't stalk you. He saw the situation and acted on it. --Candide, or Optimism 20:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Would User:Ricardo Lagos be an inproper username as there is a president called Ricardo Lagos? Especially when he is editing that page and has a sock puppet called User:Ricardo Eduardo Lagos Cerda (indef blocked). I would say that he should be able to keep his sockpuppet and indef block the prima account as an improper username.... -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 01:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

The actual name of the president seems obviously unsuitable. I say keep the sockpuppet block, and let the user find a suitable new name. Tyrenius 02:13, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

My idea, so I have blocked indef. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 02:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Um, he created the User:Ricardo Eduardo Lagos Cerda account at my suggestion because of the potential for confusion between User:Ricardo Lagos and Ricardo Lagos. It's a name change, not a sockpuppet. The User:Ricardo Lagos account shouldn't have been used anymore. Obviously though it is, and there is a stunning lack of useful contributions from either account, so I'm not pushing for an unblock on either. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 11:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I left a message at the page, and although he has not the most usefull contributions, if he want to use that other one, I am not going to resist that (after consultation with the indef blocking admin). -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 14:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of what name he uses, if he continues the vandalism, he will be blocked. User:Zoe|^(talk) 20:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

New

She likely shares an IP address with a blocked user. The blocked message displays the IP address you're using... if she can tell me that I can unblock the IP address and she can resume editing. --Lord Deskana ^{Dark Lord of the Sith} 02:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering if someone, if they think it is appropriate, could speedy close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mrozinski and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/24/24 World Concert. There have only been delete recommendations on both nominations. On the first nomination, User:Mrozinski, believed to be a secondary account of the article's creator, User:2424, is repeatedly recommending delete and insulting people (he might be User:70.170.76.235, too). The same thing is going on at the concert article, except that the 2424 account is recommending deletion and insulting people rather than Mrozinski. I think the articles should be deleted quickly so that he can go on his way as soon as possible. -- Kjkolb 02:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

There are categories for

Mrozinski asserts notability with a no. 1 hit in Italy. I suggest you tell the relevant editor about Verifiability and ask them to provide a reference. It's worth trying to communicate. Tyrenius

02:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm aware of procedure, but a speedy close is done in some situations, albeit rarely. This isn't of great importance and it's not that big of a deal if they run their course, but I thought that it would be a good thing to do. About your suggestion, the editor is not trying to argue that he is notable, he is arguing for deletion. I had already read his comments on the AfD nominations, his user talk pages and the article talk pages and I doubted any further communication with the editor would have been fruitful. He did not understand what Wikipedia was about and he tried to use the articles as personal pages. He got upset when other people edited the articles (he seemed to have no idea that this would be done, somehow) and told them not to change anything. At some point he went crazy and started making personal attacks and went on rants about how terrible the idea of an encyclopedia that anyone can edit is. -- Kjkolb 03:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked User:Mrozinski for 24 hours for continuous incivility, e.g. [1]. I think an indefinite block on User:2424 as an obvious sockpuppet should also be considered. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 10:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Could anybody put a protection tag on

Sorry, not serious enough, just revert. The appropriate place to request protection would be Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection, so please use that next time. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 02:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

All but one of this anon's edits is vandalism or bizarre ranting. The one almost reasonable edit is bizarre. His talk page has a number of insults and taunts. Would it be possible to block his IP and the two others he mentions on his talk page? (I didn't check the other two, I'm going to bed.) Cheers and good night. :) Dlohcierekim 03:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I'll block the range he seems to be in and contact the university admin listed on the whois. Sasquatch t|c 04:42, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, could a administrator please fix this up Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of famous people with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, I thought about trying but it may look a lot better (and done properly) if it was undertaken by a admin rather than a standard user.--blue520 12:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

What do you want done with it? Cleaned up? The AfD is not due to close until another few days. Kilo-Lima|^(talk) 13:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

PhilipR has constructed a new (2nd time) AfD over the old closed AfD. It needs to be split, with the old AfD being reverted and a new AfD constructed (somthing like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of famous people with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (second nomination), links checked and so on.--blue520 13:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Done! I have moved new to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of famous people with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (second nomination), reveted the old to the closed version and changed the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2006 June 3 to the (second nomination). Could some check to see I have not missed any thing?. --blue520 13:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Everything looks to be in order. — TheKMan^talk 13:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for checking--blue520 14:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I have taken the great liberty to remove the advertising from the articles that have soccer-europe images on them. The main reason doing so is becuase it advertises the site; you are supposed to credit the work on the image talk page, not the article space, just below the image itself. Just thought I would let you all know. Kilo-Lima|^(talk) 13:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes, "courtesy of" comments may be left in captions, but certainly not wide-scale. Circeus 20:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

This arbitration case is closed. The parties were:

• talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log
  )
• Zapatancas (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

• Remedies:
  • Both are banned from Wikipedia for one month.
  • Both are banned from editing José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero and related articles for one year.
  • Both are placed on personal attack parole for one year.

• Enforcement:
  • An escalating schedule of enforcement by block.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 17:41, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I've carried out both blocks per the remedy and logged it in the case. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 19:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I have also indefinitely blocked Zapatancas' old account, Zapatero. --Tony Sidaway 19:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I tagged

It's automatically put into a

category Will (^E_@) T

20:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I've looked all over and can't seem to find a way to report a racist vandal who has made continusou and repeatd attacks to Brooklyn Technical High School, including this. The IP is 74.64.40.94 (talk · contribs)-- Tenebrae 21:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

No activity from this IP since May 26. Jkelly 21:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Generally speaking we deal with this kind of vandalism by reverting it. As the vandalism was reverted and the vandal hasn't edited since we don't need to do anything else. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information and the quick response! I'm glad to hear that this IP has stopped for now. So this is the page to note these kinds of things? --Tenebrae 21:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

For vandalism in progress, a better page on which to make a note is

WP:AIV; more complex or longer-term vandalism, though, may be noted here. Joe

22:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Administrator:

Dfrg.msc 01:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

placed a "WoW" tag on User:Shadow ruler. DOn't know if it's legit. Thanks :) Dlohcierekim 19:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Mike Rosoft seemed to think so, then changed his mind, then reblocked. You might ask him. User:Zoe|^(talk) 21:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I highly doubt that he's a WoW sockpuppet, as none of his contribs have anything to do with "on wheels." Mr. Lefty _{Talk to me!} 00:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

YINever (talk · contribs), as well as his anon-IP 141.153.74.246 (talk · contribs) are the sockpuppets of TJive (talk · contribs), who claimed that he left Wikipedia for good. Not only he keeps adding right-wing POV into articles, he has put suggestions on his user page [2] and wells as talk pages of certain articles [3], suggestion that I'm apparantly a "Communist web spy employed by the Chinese government". He has restored vandalism deleted by admins, calling it [4] "restoring valuable comment in proper place". User has also vandalised several articles to fit his political agenda, removing references [5] [6] without discussion, adding weasel words into articles to blackwash leftists [7]. --PatCheng 04:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Please see WP:RFCU#Not_Clear_-_Nobs01_or_TJive.3F. --Rory096 04:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what he intends to accomplish here, considering there is no actual policy violation described in this rant.

BTW, I "claimed that [I] left Wikipedia for good"? Mind showing where? --TJive 04:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

User:YINever is repeated reverting the article The Epoch Times and keeps removing warnings from his talk page even though he has been repeatedly warned for it. See User talk: YINever. User:YINever keeps deleting his talk page warning. User:YINever is currently in a revert war with User:PatCheng at the The Epoch Times article. He keeps reverting without attempting to reach consensus. User:YINever apparently is a new account and intent of deletion of his talk page warnings and revert war over The Epoch Times article. RevolverOcelotX 01:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

See the same below. YINever 01:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, here we are again. This is a continuation of this, which I alerted everyone to a few days ago. I had blocked SuperDeng and

Not yet. I am keeping my eye on him. The stuff that Deng reverted was not vandalism. If Kurt goes back to his old habits, I will block him. At the moment, it's not warranted. --Woohookitty^(meow) 00:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Strike that. :) Kurt was also in violation of 3RR. So I blocked him for 5 1/2 days. It's for a lesser time because Kurt has one less 3RR vio and he hasn't been stalking anyone. On the other hand, I really wish that when they see each other editing something, they just stayed away or alerted an admin to take care of it. --Woohookitty^(meow) 00:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

If only there were someone crazy enough to volunteer to mentor them both. -

FrancisTyers

01:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Well I told Deng that he should try arbitration and he told me that the arbcom is "too backed up", which isn't a reason. Instead, he's decided to be a vigilante...and no matter what Kurt has done, we can't done that. --Woohookitty^(meow) 05:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I can try mentoring Deng but I would leave it to others to deal with Kurt. --Irpen 05:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Teach him civility. He actually just lectured me on what wikipedia is. I have 26,000+ edits! He has a condescending, "I'm always right" attitude with everyone. He refuses to compromise. He doesn't listen to reason. Oi. --Woohookitty^(meow) 10:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Indef-block him.

T+C) at 10:31 UTC (2006-06-03

)

Actually, could you do it? Part of the problem I've had with him is that he seems to think that I'm some sort of rogue admin, even though I've never had another admin overturn any of my blocks. I'm not a block happy admin. I tend to use that power relatively sparingly. Anyway. I think we need to show some solidarity here. I'd appreciate it. --Woohookitty^(meow) 10:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I should kiss you. But I won't. :) And yes, I added it to my WL earlier this evening. --Woohookitty^(meow) 10:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It is my impression that although hotheaded, arrogant and disruptive, Deng is still an asset to wikipedia. He made a great number of very good edits related to the Eastern Front during the World War II and in his vendetta with Kurt in quite a number of cases he indeed is fixing some subtle vandalism. As a matter of fact me and Irpen had been planing to give him a barnstar on the V-Day for his editing, then delayed this because of his disruptive behavior.

User:Irpen has agreed to be his mentor, I never tried mentorship before, but I could try my chanses as a co-mentor if it is needed. Please give him a second chance, if it works, it would be worth the nervous energy spent due to his scandalous behavior. abakharev 04:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

It's a shame that Kurt, with his pesky pro-Nazi trolling and no valuable contributions at all, has not been permabanned as yet. I support the idea of mentorship for Deng, however. Deng is a potentially valuable contributor, but his editing needs to be supervised by a team of more experienced wikipedians. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandal Marknw continues to vandalize Unification Church-related pages, inserting the same blatantly anti-UC comments on every page he finds, and spams talkpages despite multiple warnings. I am now monitoring his edits but it would be good if an administrator would block him. KI 19:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Not a vandal. See Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Jkelly 19:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It seems to me that the guy is acting in good faith--not particularly constuctively, but in good faith. Rather than reverting his edits, try contacting him and discussing the changes he wants to implement and why. In any case, I don't see a need to block here over a content dispute. Sorry.

AmiDaniel (talk

) 19:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It appears that User:KI is acting tempermentally. He has blanked his talk page and left nasty notes on my page and on Jcoplanes' [8]. -Will Beback 20:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It's getting worse:[9]. I think this user needs a wikibreak to remember how to be civil. -Will Beback 21:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It will only get worse until you stop vandalizing my talkpage. I will not stop reverting Marknw's mass vandalism and I will not stop standing up to your tyranny. Jacoplane, I suggest you stop encouraging vandalism and spamming. KI 21:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Please note that user User:Tchadienne asserts to be the same contributor as user:KI on User_talk:Jimbo_Wales.Andries 17:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm blocking any sock indefinetely. Sasquatch t|c 00:24, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm talking to him about the civility issue. He's right about POV bias in the edits (stating as fact that something is "specious", "revisionist", and "pseudoscientific" just isn't "neutral"), but obviously needs to address the problem differently. As to the 'socks', I'm not sure the term really applies since he has asked for the prior account to be shut down and openly declared the change... it's not like he is hiding anything. He apparently just thinks he can 'start over'. --CBDunkerson 11:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Andrew Norman has erased this public domain photo http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Subotica_city_hall.jpg off my user page and also protected my user page because he claims the photo is fair use, even though there is proof that the photo is public domain. Please help me. -- serbiana - talk 21:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Explain how it is public domain. Sasquatch t|c 21:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It's tagged fair use on Wikipedia (Image:Subotica_city_hall.jpg). --Lord Deskana ^{Dark Lord of the Sith} 21:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The website it's from says it's copyrighted... I think we need to tag it for copyvio?Sasquatch t|c 21:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

You mean on Commons? --Lord Deskana ^{Dark Lord of the Sith} 21:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I just did. Jkelly 21:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

There are two versions of the same image - Image:Subotica city hall.jpg (the image from the user page) is tagged as fair use, the version on Commons is tagged as PD with no information as to the source - it is unlikely that a recent aerial photo of a building is actually in the public domain. It was removed by Ed g2s, Bormalagurski's response was to leave abuse on User:Ed g2s's userpage and to restore the image. I have rolled back that restoration, twice, and protected the page to prevent it from being restored again. --ajn (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm always sceptical of people that make a complaint about an admin that includes the phrase "admin abuse". Such complains are typically irrational. --Lord Deskana ^{Dark Lord of the Sith} 22:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll add that Bormalagurski was asked, then forced, to remove a bunch of uncivil links from his user page yesterday (associating Croatia with fascism). He is now asking to have the page unprotected so he can put an alternative image of his hometown there. I'm not inclined to do it myself (he claims to have left the English Wikipedia, so I don't see the point), but I won't object if someone else wants to unprotect the page. --ajn (talk) 22:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I have decided to stop contributing, but I'd like my page to be left pretty. Also, the "uncivil" links, I've replaced with my biography, others just wanted to erase the whole thing. So, if my page is unprotected, I promise to put an alternate image of my hometown, and nothing else, If you let me do that, I will stop editing my userpage for good. Thank you. -- serbiana - talk 22:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Anyone? -- serbiana - talk 23:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, Boris, but please don't go beyond what you've said you'll do. -- ChrisO 23:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

And he did go beyond what he said he would - a huge box opposing the independence of Kosovo. I've rolled back to the state where he has the picture he wanted, and protected the page again. --ajn (talk) 07:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I wish I could say I was surpised but I'm not, frankly - it's not the first time he's edited in bad faith. Oh well. -- ChrisO 13:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I am putting this here so admins will see it more easily. This is a continuation of the discussion up above. I just protected Deng's user talk page. He had manipulated his talk page by moving my comments to places they shouldn't have been. And at this point, he's just using his talk page to attack Kurt. And besides, I think he's made all of his points. At this point, we need another admin (not me or NSLE but someone else) to respond to his unblock request. I think I made all of my points on his talk page so I don't think I need to add anything else. I will say that this did not just start. He's been stalking Kurt for 2 months now and I've been dealing with him on and off since the beginning of the year. He seems to think that he was indefinitely blocked just based on the discussion here. Please look at his talk page. You will see that that's just not so. Plus, be aware that he has removed block notices and warnings, especially in the last month or so. Thanks. --Woohookitty^(meow) 06:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

And actually I'll unprotect his talk page. The person who decides on the unblock request can decide what to do with his page. Hopefully he won't move or remove my comments in the mean time. --Woohookitty^(meow) 06:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I've offered to mentor Deng, who informs me by email that Irpen has also offered. Would it be amenable to you and NSLE for us to joint mentor him (or if Irpen wants I will do it myself)? If so what kind of details/agreement would be ok? -

I have no opinion on it, I only decided on an indef block after stumbling over this case.

T+C) at 10:10 UTC (2006-06-04

)

Please give Deng a second chance. I support the idea of mentoring him. Deng is a potentially valuable contributor, but his editing needs to be supervised by a team of more experienced wikipedians. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Couple of problems with that. First of all, I've been basically mentoring him for months with no effect. The vast majority of my posts to his page has been trying to teach him how Wikipedia works and that's right up to the last few days. His response is to call me incorrect or to simply refuse to follow the direction. An example is recently when I told him that he should open a RfAr against Kurt. His response was basically that the arbcom is too backed up so by the time they act, Kurt will have vandalized hundreds of pages. So basically he was saying he was a one man revert squad and he was quite alright with that. Of all of the advice I've given him, the only 2 he followed was filing an RfC (and that took prodding) and also putting up the unblock template, though he only did that after he was blocked indefinitely by someone else. He's followed little else, including my pleas that he be civil. Just in the last few days, he lectured me on what Wikipedia is, defined sneaky vandalism for me and also made a sarcastic comment about how I was watching Kurt's edits...and mind you, this was AFTER Kurt had been blocked.

Another problem is that neither of you 2 are admins. So if Deng strays, there is no ability to block him. As I said, I've been dealing with him for 6 months. I think I know him pretty well. I can almost guarantee that if he's unblocked, the first thing he's going to do is to go back to stalking Kurt. All you have to do is the read the last several entries in his talk page to see that. He has this fear that Kurt will be reverting sourcing unchecked, even though I told him I'd be watching Kurt's edits. I just don't think that more mentoring is the solution here. He just doesn't listen to others.

And he also doesn't take responsibility for his actions. You can't mentor someone like that. You have to have someone who can say "I'm wrong" occasionally, but Deng never does. Everything is Kurt's fault or my fault or the procedure's fault or another admin's fault. It's never Deng's fault.

So. Mentoring sounds like a good idea but I've been doing it informally for months and Deng hasn't improved one iota. He's still being uncivil. He's still ignoring all advice. And he's still being disruptive. And he's not exactly a new user. He should know better. --Woohookitty^(meow) 17:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I am still waiting for a reply from

May I also add that deng has made many personal attacks against other users. This latest series of conflicts with Kurt is simply one example of his pattern. He has had numerous short blocks, with specific reasons given for each, yet he comes back and repeats the same types of actions. I also question the notion that he is a valuable contributor. He has made some good edits, but has also made others that are nonsense and push a POV, often against the consensus of other editors. DMorpheus 17:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Francis, I replied to you, you missed it. I also said that here earlier. I agree to try co-mentoring Deng. Others would have to deal with Kurt. Also, to address Woohookitty's consern, Alex Bakharev is an admin and expressed his willingness to co-mentor Deng as well. With Alex, Francis and myself, he would be enough supervised. I believe Woohookitty tried his best with Deng, but perhaps Deng percieved him not even handed and too forgiving to Kurt. No offence. Woo gets all my respect, but of these two, Kurt is definetely a bigger problem. --Irpen 17:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

No he is not. He's a bigger problem for those users on here who don't really care how one says something as long as it is something that they agree with. --Woohookitty^(meow) 22:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, regarding NSLE's entry above sayng: "I have no opinion on it, I only decided on an indef block after stumbling over this case." (It was NSLE who blocked Deng) I wish the editors that strict monitored more cases of abuse at this page and at ANI. I mean it is OK to trigger-happily ban abusive users, but we should apply the same standards if we are to be harsh. I have actually no problem with faster blocking of problem users than the leaway they mostly get around here. That would save a lot of time for the ArbCom and a lot of user's time currently spent uselessly at RfC's or admin boards better spent on adding content to Wikipedia. But with users like Molobo and a a recent case of AlexPU from ANI getting away with only one month for by far worse incivility and Deng getting indef, the system seems uneven and broken. One month may be exactly appropriate for AlexPU (some suggested indef though, but even one month may be harsh enough.) Deng getting an indef is something I don't understand, especially when Kurt, who really engage in lots of sneaky vandalism, gets away with 5 days. --Irpen 18:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sorry I missed the reply, I wasn't watching your page. So, me, you and alex it is then. How should we proceed? -

Deng is only doing this so he can get back on here and stalk Kurt and apparently, Irpen has no problem with that. "Kurt's the bigger problem". No he isn't. You are ok with a user reverting another user 40 times in 3 hours? You are ok with someone who not only violated 3RR, but actually reverted EIGHT TIMES in 2 hours? Deng is disruptive. Period. That's why he got the longer block. Deng's block was increased because he was extremely uncivil with me and he refused to take any responsibility. My original block of Deng was 7 days. For Kurt it was 5 1/2. Kurt's block was shorter because Deng's history of disruption is more extensive and he had one more 3RR vio. Kurt is not a saint and I bet that within a week or two, he will be blocked indefinitely as well. I have no doubt about that. But it doesn't absolve Deng. It doesn't give him the right to revert one user on sight, even when the edit is not vandalism. As he tried to resolve it? Sort of. He opened the RfC. Even on his talk page, he says that others have tried to talk to Kurt on Kurt's talk page to get him to stop. Others. Not Deng. Others. That is the most basic part of dispute resolution. And he hasn't tried it. All of his posts to Kurt's page have been of the "what is wrong with you?" variety. He did a request for investigation, but again, that's not really dispute resolution. That's trying to get another user blocked. That's what that is. He refused to follow a correct procedure on RfM. He outright refused an RfAr. Instead he's decided to follow Kurt all over the site and revert on sight, though he's been blocked for it several times and he's been told how to resolve the issues numerous times. To me, that is just as bad as what Kurt has done, if not worse.

And all 3 of the perspective mentors either support Deng's case or in the case of Alex Bakharev, believe in "ignore all rules". That is not going to work with Deng. We need totally neutral admins on this. Non-Russian. Non-WWII experts. People with absolutely no opinion on Deng. Just ordinary admins who don't have a stake in Deng. And you know, that was me 6 months ago. It's been said that he deserves a 2nd chance. 2nd? No. Try about 6th. --Woohookitty^(meow) 22:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, then we can find some other mentors. Unfortunately, mentoring is generally thought to be a tough job, so I'm not sure that you will find any admins to mentor him who don't support his case. I'd like to point out that I'm certainly not pro-Russian and I'm not an expert on the second world war in any respect. You were mentoring him? I think it will be quite easy to tell if he is stalking Kurt, and if he does, under mentorship conditions, he will be blocked. I'm quite happy for him to have a more stringent set of rules to follow, 1RR or something, for a trial period of say a month or two... -

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22:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Restrictions like that would require an arbcom decision to stick. It's odd, I know. We can block without arbcom but we can't restrict someone's editing without it. Just how it works. --Woohookitty^(meow) 23:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Even if he himself agrees? Thats kind of odd. Where is that written? -

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00:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Well it said so in Wikipedia:Mentorship - When mentorship arises as an outcome of the dispute resolution process, the mentor has formal supervisory powers over the protégé. I propose the following:

• The behavior of Deng was indeed egregious. I think we all agree that he deserved a one month block
• The month is enough time to prepare an arbcom case against him, we could ask to put him under Involuntary mentorship. Then his behavior will be monitored not only by his mentors but also by the whole Wikipedia:Mentorship Committee. It should be enough to stop him before he would make 8 reversions. I think if the both sides agree on the Involuntary mentorship, it could be pushed through really fast (even at the start of the arbcom proceedings as a preliminary action)
• If you need an administrator to be his mentor, I volunteer to be his co-mentor. If you think somebody else is suited better, then it is fine with me. BTW could you,
  WP:IAR
  or encouraging of violations of 3RR or stalking? I might even deserve an apology.
• I think that permablocking a user for his good faith edits, who did not commited gross acts of inivility, etc. is to strong a punishment. Permablocking by an act of an admin is allowed only if all the admins agree with it. I disagree and I am an admin

If there are no other proposal, I will set the block to one month abakharev 00:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I have set the block to 1 month. I will be happy to assist with the arbcom case, but i do not have the full information on the matter abakharev 02:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

For any admins who have some time, there's a fair amount of pages building up at

Category:Proposed deletion as of 29 May 2006 is done. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 23:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Oui. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 23:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

This user is a confirmed sockpuppet of a indef banned user [10]. Could an admin block them? Paul Cyr 22:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

• The Whois for this IP [11], shows that this is one of a seven IPs assigned to an ISP in Oman. This is obviously a dynamic IP, the last edit from it was on May 18. I do not see the point in blocking it. We probably would not want to block all Oman wikipedians by the total range blocking this ISP abakharev 04:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, in that case should I just remove the sock puppet tag? Paul Cyr 04:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

User:GJRFMorelligu, (also used User:Morelligu and User:201.208.126.185 is removing image problem tags faster than I can replace them - without addressing the underlying problems. Can someone assist? Rmhermen 00:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

YINever (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) User:YINever is repeated reverting the article The Epoch Times and keeps removing warnings from his talk page even though he has been repeatedly warned for it. See User talk: YINever. User:YINever keeps deleting his talk page warning. User:YINever is currently in a revert war with User:PatCheng at the The Epoch Times article. He keeps reverting without attempting to reach consensus. --RevolverOcelotX 01:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

This user is due for a block for violating 3RR, for which he has been warned and blocked before. He is attempting to put repeated templates on my page to goad me into excerbating a content dispute, and so far has seen two fraudulent vandalism reports shunned. Apparently he thinks if he can just keep reporting to more and more places, maybe someone will be fooled and block me over his templates. [12] [13]

"User:PatCheng" has just been blocked for his own violations, and so far this one remains free. YINever 01:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

"User:PatCheng" was blocked for personal attacks, not 3RRV. Apparently YINever is a new account and most of his edits was in a revert war with User:PatCheng and other editors. He has been amply warned yet he still continues to revert the article. I suspect the IP address reverting The Epoch Times article is his sockpuppet. He keeps deleting his talk page warnings which is vandalism. RevolverOcelotX 01:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• The article has been protected to give you all a cooling off period. Please discuss your edits on the talk pages. Deleting comments from ones' own talk page may be rude but is not considered vandalism. Since your mutual checkuser requests were negative on all counts, I suggest you stop warning each other and try to cooperate on writing the article.
  Thatcher131
  15:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Fimt, User:Fimter, User:Fmnlj, User:Fmmtr and User:Foltre all appear to be the same person per contribs and User creation logs (though not all are editing), interestingly creating and archiving (?) Afds for Gay Nigger Association of America. RadioKirk talk to me 01:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Johnny the Vandal, Jr. is a sockpuppet of Johnny the Vandal. I'd give him an indef block, but I'm not an admin.Raichu 01:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

What happened to your signature? Prodego ^talk 01:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

That user was blocked 10 minutes ago, so there is no need for action. Interesting sig bug, for those interested see [14]. Prodego ^talk 01:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

This case is closed.

• Marcosantezana (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Marcosantezana is banned for one year from editing natural selection and related articles. He is placed on probation indefinitely. Should a suitable mentor or mentors be found, a mentorship agreement may be negotiated with the arbitration committee.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 02:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Corneal-hydrops.jpg needs to be protected as it's now on the Main Page. joturner 02:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

This one should probably also be protected. joturner 03:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Done too. Thanks. --You Know Who ^{(Dark Mark)} 03:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Would an admin be kind enough to come take a look at