Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1001

Edits: Special:Contributions/2600:1700:4210:810::/64

Block evasion by Special:Contributions/2600:1007:b000::/42. Same edits: old range, new range.

Requesting 3 month block for this range as well. This range isn't used too often, but all edits appear to be hoax info related to TV.

EvergreenFir (talk) 21:58, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I've applied a two-week block to the /64 IPv6 range pending a deeper look into the block evasion and how far the disruption goes. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:09, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Sabeekaimranpakistan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

• Sabeekaimranpakistan edits infreequently. I left them a warning about unsourced edits. No call on the possible socking.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:10, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I left Wikipedia to get away from him, but was told he had been self blocked for a few weeks, so returned. He apparently is following my contributions still, and felt the need to post a long rant about me at the Biographies of living persons talk page. [29]

Among his usual nonsense accusations include him blaming me for some anonymous IP posting nonsense on my talk page back in November, which I reverted minutes after it was posted and I got an email someone posted on my talk page, he somehow noticing that and ranting about it back then, accusing everyone imaginable of it, then deciding to blame me. I then listed reasons on my talk page why it clearly wasn't me, then just gave up trying to reason with him and just ignored him.

I would like him to stop accusing me of that and other nonsense. Can someone just look at what he posted and tell me if you consider that acceptable for him to post that there? I have tried my best to avoid him, but he refused to stop following my contributions and criticizing everything I did, I having to leave Wikipedia to get away from him. Dream Focus 05:35, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• Hijiri88 here. There's a big difference between commenting on whether a no-context diff is "acceptable to post that there" (in short, while a comment that was all about how the OP was acting in bad faith would be inappropriate for BLPN in general, in context I was explaining why I was posting logged out, in order to shoot down any "block evasion" accusations, before giving a policy-based argument that the talk page discussion in question should be rev-delled) and supporting a sanction for someone who has done nothing wrong in this case. Dream Focus harassed me for months before eventually getting blocked, continued to monitor my edits extremely closely even after that point, and five months later immediately reemerged once I posted a retirement message ("I ... was told he had been self blocked for a few weeks" is a lie; he started editing more than a day before I was blocked[30][31]). I would be happy with a one-way interaction ban to keep DF off my back, or with him perhaps being blocked for his repeated textual plagiarism and IDHT regarding the same[32][33] or TBANned for his attacks on "illegal immigrants" (which apparently for him includes everyone other than US citizens).

Please note that while the problem I had with DF that I brought to ANI last July did get somewhat out of hand, and a few editors supported a "no fault" two-way IBAN just to shut it up, it instead ended with no consensus for such action, and later discussions were essentially "DF needs to leave Hijiri alone"; it was not my intention for this dispute to flare up here again, and I apologize to the community for this happening, but you must appreciate that the flare-up in this case is 100% DF's doing, since it was him who spent the last five months closely monitoring my edits for any indication that I would leave the project temporarily or permanently.

I also would not oppose an admin removing User:Bishonen's block of me. Sorry Bish, but I have cheered up somewhat since requesting the block, and would very much like to return to building the encyclopedia; it was my intention to just let your block expire, but this incident has essentially forced me to post logged out a few times, and I don't want to deal anyone accusing me of "block-evading" for doing so. I still probably won't edit much for the next week or so (busy IRL), so it's really just a formality. I am also aware of the "don't unblock" condition, which is why I can take or leave an unblock, but if I'm denied an unblock because of the pre-set condition that I agreed to before changing my mind, I still shouldn't have to be accused of "block evasion".

103.5.140.152 (talk) 06:04, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I reverted an edit someone did [34] and then posted immediately after on the talk page explaining why. Talk:Undocumented_youth_in_the_United_States#They_are_not_"Undocumented_students",_they_have_ample_documents_on_them. Anyway, I have not monitored him closely since why would I do that? Someone noticed he was going to be gone for a few weeks, emailed me, so I started editing again. He can cherry pick edits from a long period of time and take things out of context, and I don't want to get into a long discussion no one will read. There is no possible reason for him to be following my contributions or talking about me, other than for harassment. Dream Focus 06:13, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I probably shouldn't do this but meh. Will you both just leave each other the fuck alone and not force the community to do it? Nil Einne (talk) 06:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I wish that were possible but he isn't going to stop this unless there is a two way interaction ban. Dream Focus 06:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Since I'm talking to you with this reply, I don't give a fuck what he does at the moment. I do give a fuck what you do, and am saying you need to leave him alone. You left wikipedia because you felt that he was unfairly pursuing. Maybe he was, but again since I'm talking to you, I don't give a fuck about that at the moment. I do care that when I visit your talk page I find you were once unblocked and told explicitly to completely leave him alone but then were reblocked because you kept talking about him. This tells me that clearly you aren't just able to leave him alone either. Frankly his post at BLP/N spoke for itself and didn't reflect well on him although he did have a point that this comment of yours [35] seems very bad unless that's what the person actually said. (I don't know because if it was revdeleted.) If you wanted to respond to anything, it was probably the only thing worth responding to. But you also could have simply left it be since he wasn't actually reverting you or something. Nil Einne (talk) 06:24, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Drag (clothing) is part of the transgender series of articles. Not sure how that would bother anyone. Don't remember exactly what wording he used in the article, it blocked now, but the talk page still shows his transgender accusations. Anyway, back on topic, I was blocked for complaining about him following me around and talking trash about me nonstop, then believing I could continue talking to editors about the case on my talk page, that bothering some people. He has no reason to keep following me around and posting like he just did at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#vandal_claiming_astronaut's_daughter_is_really_a_transgender_boy. Dream Focus

06:40, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• Strong support. Regretful as Hijiri doesn't like these ibans and it would be a shame to see him discouraged from editing. For some reason I've always found H rather charming, and he seems to have made hugely valuable contributions to our coverage of S.E. Asian topics. On the Darkknight thread, BMK made what seemed a most wise point about there being so much history involving Hijiri and the other editors that's its hard to disentangle whos at fault. Perhaps that's the case with H & Dream too, but as I spent several hours looking at it, let me offer a summary. For about the first few months of their relationship, while H was the one initiating contact, it was Dream who was largely at fault. Since about mid June 2018 though, it's been almost entirely H whos been keeping the feud alive. Dream has repeatedly appealed for H to leave him alone, but H just won't let things go. It's not really that simple, but I think that's a fair summary. As H already has at least one iban on his record re the Darkknight, I don't see any great harm in him having another one. It ideally shouldn't need the community to spend huge amounts of time analysing the history to determine who is too blame.

@Dream – FWIW , I think H is largely right re Immigrants. The sceptical view on immigrants is something I find rather harmful, but it is a clear majority view in many countries and so it should be represented on Wikipedia for NPOV. But the thing is, there's a fine line between representing the view and slipping into xenophobia. You know I think you're awesome, but its not clear to me that you have the skills to tread that line. There's many other topics where your'e contributions are of great quality. Or if you do keep editing immigration articles, be extra careful with your wording and in listening to what others say. FeydHuxtable (talk) 08:20, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Upgrading to strong support for these reasons. Hijiri88 seems at some risk of a long block, and the iban seems a much better option. Especially now H has apologised for not respecting Bishonens rules & for wasting the communities time, a block extension seems unwarranted. As per Swarm, from H's POV they might have thought they had good reason to launch the attack on the BLP board.

Many editors seem to acknowledge what a loss it would be do be without H's good contributions, but not so much as been said about why it would be good for us to protect Dream with the 2-way iban. Admittedly Dream's edits in the early part of the feud were highly reprehensible. But as someone who had known Dream for over a decade, it was totally out of character. Dream's kindness, productivity, and helpfulness to another's has seen him hailed as a model editor. A quick glance of Dream's talk should show his fine editing has won him much appreciation over the years from various members of the community. A 2 way iban gives us the best chance to keep two editors who, in very different ways, are excellent contributors. FeydHuxtable (talk) 20:16, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support It's disheartening to be back here again while Hijiri88 is still under a self-imposed block from the last time, but it's clear they just can't let it go. This comment at BLPN was entirely unnecessary. The discussion was a quite-reasonable one brought by DF to the noticeboard. Hijiri is supposed to be taking a break, not following other editors around to attack them in random threads they start. The comment itself amounts to throwing mud to see what sticks — "posting plagiarized text, OR and virulently xenophobic gibberish", a largely-unevidenced personal attack; "DF is still hounding me"; "illegitimate sockpuppetry"; "suddenly showing back up immediately when I was briefly blocked in August, and then again when I posted a retirement message earlier this month"; even supposing all that were true, in what possible way is it relevant to a BLPN discussion about another editor claiming a child is transgender? The comment does, eventually, come down to the matter at hand, by taking a comment DF made out of context and saying, in about as many words, that if it were a comment made about a living person then it would be a BLP violation. That may be true, but what is the point of saying it when it wasn't a comment made about a living person? "Focus on the content, not the editor" is advice Hijiri badly needs to take to heart. GoldenRing (talk) 09:59, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Oppose two-way IBAN - What this absolutely looks like is DF seeing that Hijiri was on a self-imposed block from his account (and let's be clear that Anyway, I have not monitored him closely since why would I do that? Someone noticed he was going to be gone for a few weeks, emailed me, so I started editing again is ridiculous, disingenuous bullshit), and decided to use that opening to stir up some shit at ANI, knowing Hijiri might be limited in responding. It's hard for me to see this as anything other than opportunistic and a bad-faith maneuver. The previous discussion of an IBAN found a lot more concern about DF's behavior, and at this point I wouldn't mind seeing a boomerang in the form of a one-way IBAN for DF. And, for the record, Hijiri should abide by his self-requested block and just stick to a break instead of showing up to edit under an IP. Grandpallama (talk) 11:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

  Changing to an oppose, based upon yet another

  WP:IDHT interaction with DF. Whatever might've prompted the current report, DF is the ongoing problem. Grandpallama (talk

  ) 12:01, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• comment Could'na said it better-- "Hijiri should abide by his self-requested block and just stick to a break instead of showing up to edit under an IP." You know that picture of a statue holding its head in its hand captioned "not this again?-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 11:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

  (edit conflict)Did you read the rant against me he posted at [36] just hours ago? I then brought this to ANI. He is clearly not limited in responding since he did post here already. He also posted what appears to be a response to GoldenRing on his talk page [37] instead of here. Is there anything that keeps any IP addresses from posting at ANI? Dream Focus 11:31, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

  YOU were told to stop obsessing about Hijiri, to stop following his comments, to stop worrying about what he says, to stop bringing drama here and elsewhere regarding your inability to let go of past conflicts. And here you are, again, doing exactly the thing that got you blocked before; I don't care what Hijiri said--I care that you are demonstrating an intractable attitude that previous warnings and blocks have apparently not remedied. I already advocated for a one-way IBAN, but maybe you just need to be indeffed until you figure out that you need to leave it alone. Grandpallama (talk) 11:44, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

  So I should let him say whatever insulting nonsense about me that he wants, anywhere he sees me posting, and not be able to file an ANI complaint about it? Would you find it acceptable if someone did that to you? Dream Focus 11:48, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

  You. Don't. Listen. Leave it alone, find something else to do with your time, and stop worrying about Hijiri. Grandpallama (talk) 11:57, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• Back to Hijiri Hijiri88 damn! -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:54, 23 January 2019 (UTC). You could request unblock on your talk page or Email Bishonen. This blocked-but-using-an-IP business is unsettling. With all the possible places one could edit here, you happen to show up at a post of DreamFocus'? That's just silly. Support IBAN.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 12:08, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• Hijiri88 has been notified on their talk page. I may be wrong about this, never having tried it, but if they have email notifications set up for their page then won't they be notified even if not on Wiki at the time? FWIW, I agree that using the IP method is unsettling but my thought would explain the "of all the bars in all the world" situation. - Sitush (talk) 12:15, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• @Sitush: I think this comment was in reference to Hijiri88's IP comment on the BLPN discussion linked above - or am I missing something? I don't think Hijiri88 was notified of that discussion on their TP. And @Dlohcierekim: Hijiri and Hijiri88 are, AFAICT, no the same editor. Poor guy now thinks he's being discussed at ANI... GoldenRing (talk) 12:31, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• Oh, cripes. Sorry for the misunderstanding. - Sitush (talk) 12:44, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• @Dream Focus: Sorry, no. I did not read the aforementioned post. I'm not interested in participating in this passion play to a greater extent than this.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 12:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

  That post was meant for the guy before you. Thank you for participating. Dream Focus 12:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• @Curly Turkey: You have completely over looked the facts of this particular event. Hijiri88, though blocked at their own request, returned as an anon to interject themselves into a thread by Dream Focus with utterly spurious and off-topic "content". ANd I think the mutual IBAN is the least restrictive and most beneficial to the project of alternatives.-- -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 22:22, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Dlohcierekim: "You have completely over looked ..."—have I really?

"returned as an anon"—no, he opened by declaring who he was.

"the mutual IBAN is the least restrictive"—less restrictive than letting it go with a warning? Obviously not.

"most beneficial"—no, the IBAN DF requests would keep someone out of his hair so he could continue making problematic edits. Your support would contribute to enabling that—which would "benefit" DF, not the community or the project. This has happened before, particularly at WP:JAPAN, where it took a year and a half for ANI to finally deal with the fallout, and there are still tainted articles that need to be sorted through. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:25, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what happened at WP:JAPAN, it having nothing to do with me. He was banned from editing certain topics at various times, so I assume it was one of those topic bans. I remember another editor claiming that you helped him get around that block, he mentioning things he wanted edited on your talk page such as [38] and you editing for him. Then after the block ended he posted he no longer needed your help in editing those sorts of articles. [39] When Arbcom limited him to one revert per page, he asked you directly to revert things for him. [40] [41] [42]. Those three examples are pretty obvious. If you are determined to follow me around and do his work for him, I suppose I need an interaction ban with you as well. Also you were told at ANI back in November to stop following the contributions of Flyer22 for the same thing you are suggesting you should do to me now. [43] Dream Focus 00:09, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

That's an interesting misrepresentation of the Flyer22 case. You're really bending over backwards to get people to stop looking at your problematic edits.

"I remember another editor claiming that you helped him get around that block"—I remember that an IBAN prevents me from naming that user. This is a disgusting tactic to trap me into breaking that IBAN—and I do recall saying the IBAN would be weaponized, don't you, Dlohcierekim? Will the answer be to grant DF a slew of IBAN requests, so he can continue to make these sorts of edits without interference? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:26, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Once again he mentions the "problem edit" where I reverted someone's edit because some of their changes seemed ridiculous, and then started a discussion on the talk page immediately after that to discuss it. Talk:Undocumented_youth_in_the_United_States#They_are_not_"Undocumented_students",_they_have_ample_documents_on_them He showed up after me and reverted me, but no one has participated in the discussion on the talk page. Why do both of these guys keep mentioning this as an excuse for their behavior? Do we need them following me around constantly just to prevent me from somehow destroying Wikipedia by daring to undo an edit and try to discuss things in a civilized manner on the talk page of that article? Also I wasn't aware he wasn't allowed to name the other editor, nor is there some sort of whatever trap he claims I masterminded just now. Seems to be changing the subject hoping no one clicks on the links to see the evidence for themselves. Dream Focus 00:34, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

"I wasn't aware he wasn't allowed to name the other editor"—obviously untrue, as only one person has ever made this claim, and it was in that ANI that resulted in my only IBAN. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:45, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

• Strong support. Basically, what GoldenRing said. DF makes a perfectly reasonable post to BLPN ([44]) asking about how to deal appropriately with a clear BLP issue. Absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with that post. Hijiri88 (well, presumably Hijiri88) for no apparent reason whatsoever then decides to reply to this post from a logged out IP ([45]) with phrases such as "(I am back) partly to keep Dream Focus from disrupting the encyclopedia by posting plagiarized text, OR and virulently xenophobic gibberish", "DF is still hounding me" (!), and suggests DF has posted what "borders on transphobia, and ... would probably constitute revdel-worthy BLP violation" (this is the post in question, I don't see it at all). There is clearly an axe to grind on Hijiri88's part, this is a user who has already been slapped with one interaction ban this month for
  BATTLEGROUND behaviour, and who is very much at risk of turning this temporary 'retirement' into a permanent forced one. We don't need this rubbish. Fish+Karate
  13:43, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

  Oh and pinging Bishonen - Bish, would you consider remove the talk page access block from Hijiri88, so he can confirm whether or not he does want to end his self-imposed block, and whether this IP is definitely him. Cheers. Fish+Karate 13:48, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• Strong support And WTF? he block evades (to my mind yes it is a block evasion, if you are blocked you are blocked, not "you are blocked unless you do not want to be", he could have asked for the block to just be lifted) a self requested block to post this [[46]]. Of course this all assumes this is Hijiri88 (can not this be checked by admins tools?).Slatersteven (talk) 13:56, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• Checkuser needed - if this isn't a violation of the privacy policy. I don't think it is, since the IP claims to be Hijiri88, so if they're connected then he's already provided the information, but that's above my pay grade. GoldenRing (talk) 14:06, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• Decline as it is a violation of the privacy policy.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:26, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Also just notices, his block experires anyway in just over a week, this was so urgent it could not wait?Slatersteven (talk) 14:24, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• (edit conflict)Oppose as I fear the timing of this is an attempt by DreamFocus to win by planting a flag on articles they want to edit while Hijri88 is on a voluntary block. Regardless, I dislike somebody who is away from Wikipedia for a break being dragged to the dramah board while they're not in a position to properly advocate for themselves. I am also prepared to overlook this single instance of technical block evasion in this circumstance as it was only to speak up at the AN/I when dragged here by another user who knew before posting that Hijri88 was under a block. Simonm223 (talk) 14:00, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• @Simonm223: You do realise this whole thing kicked off because Hijiri88 evaded his block to post at a BLPN thread that DF started? That's two instances of "technical" block evasion, the first attacking DF apropos of nothing. GoldenRing (talk) 14:03, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Also I cannot see any mention of Hijiri88 at that BLPN thread before he posted (again assuming it is him). He seems to have just turned up almost at random to attack anther edd.Slatersteven (talk) 14:05, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• The correct venue for this might be
  WP:SELFBLOCK for evasion. Icewhiz (talk
  ) 14:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Two separate issues, but I have launched it here [[47]]. But as I said the IBAN is different form the socking (assuming it is).Slatersteven (talk) 14:19, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I actually completely missed that. And it does change things. Simonm223 (talk) 14:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

• Neutral I struck through my previous !vote based on the information provided by GoldenRing - I still don't really think a 2 way iban is going to solve anything and I think implementing a block extension on somebody who has buyer's remorse for a voluntary block is overkill - which means there's not much to do except... well... nothing really. Roll our eyes and back away perhaps? However if other people see differently based on the evidence provided I don't particularly care enough to mount any sort of defense beyond just saying really guys? REALLY? Simonm223 (talk) 14:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
• Re:wait No, we need the info now, and this could be a Joe job, in which case I owe Hijiri88 an apology.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:57, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
• The IPs above are Hijiri; he has confirmed it to me via e-mail. I blocked him on 11 Jan at his own request, and after he assured me that he was on board with the conditions at User:Bishonen/Self-requested blocks. The block is to expire on Feb 2, and one of my conditions is "I will not unblock you on request, and I ask that no other admin unblock you without consulting me first.(Barring exceptional circumstances, I'll be dead against it.) .. So, really, don't ask if you're not serious!" Other conditions are that I remove wikimail and talkpage access. Obviously, my conditions aren't binding for other admins, and I won't resent them for ever or anything if they should unblock Hijiri or restore talkpage access, but I'll record here that I'm against it. I promised him I would be against it, and he should be able to trust me. Right now he no longer wants me to stick to my guns, I know, but there's also the little matter of ruining the trust for others who may self-request a block from me in the future. IMO, he should respect the conditions he originally accepted, and posting from an IP isn't exactly respecting them. But strictly speaking I suppose that is his business, not mine. I'll leave it to other admins to determine whether it's to be defined as block evasion (though I certainly have an opinion). I'm glad to hear Hijiri has cheered up somewhat, of course. Was there anything else? Bishonen | talk 15:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC).
• Support two-way interaction ban, per
  WP:ASPERSIONS cast against oneself while simultaneously being muzzled from defending oneself from such claims, while the other user has free reign to continue attacking, is just not right at all. So, make it a two-way interation ban. North America¹⁰⁰⁰
  15:36, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support per NorthAmerica1000. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:07, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support Was involved in the BLPN but in review, I see zero evidence that H has had anything to do with the Scott Kelly page, so for H to show up (as an IP) and complain about DF is pretty much textbook hounding, and seems to flaunting the situation. There is nothing DF seemingly did wrong in handling the Kelly page, the vandal report, and the BLP/N posting, so there was no reason for H to show up an try to get him banned. --Masem (t) 16:40, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Support as the simpler solution of Hijiri simply abiding by his self-requested block somehow isn't sufficient.
  π, ν
  ) 18:18, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose—Hijiri should be warned, but think of the consequences of treating "evasions" of self-imposed blocks the same as community-imposed ones. DF has a history of problematic editing; here's a recent, despicable one that I undid. Is the community going to IBAN anyone who checks and cleans up DF's mess?
  Seriously, a handful of the commenters here are way too triggerhappy when it comes to Hijiri. Should we call for an IBAN against those who habitually auto-!vote for sanctions against him every time his name shows up at ANI? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:41, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

This is not about the socking (that just makes it that bit worse) it is the deliberate attempt to provoke another edds into earning a block with an egregious and blatant PA that had nothing to do wit the thread. When he knew the user was forbidden form talking about him. The fact he socked to do this also makes it unbelievably crass and contemptuous of the community.Slatersteven (talk) 10:30, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Slatersteven: I din't mention socking or PAs. Was this meant as a reply to someone else? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:59, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

No you mentioned block evasion, but you are technically correct, he block evaded to make a PA, and the fact you ignored the PA is the point, it is the PA that was reported here, not the Block evasion.Slatersteven (talk) 11:04, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Slatersteven: sorry, but are you sure you're responding to me? What do your comments have to do with mine? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:11, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I am pointing out to you what you are ignoring.Slatersteven (talk) 11:18, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:22, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

• Comment – Hijiri88 has been warned before, specifically by Cullen328 back in 4 July 2018 (diff), where Cullen stated in part, "The next time one of your countless obsessive disputes with Dream Focus erupts on to the noticeboards, I will block you for a very lengthy period of time. The community is completely fed up with your disruptive behavior." Cullen's warning at the time was further endorsed by admin Alex Shih on the next edit to the user talk page (diff). Now it's January 2019, and Hijiri88 has continued with the same behavior (diff). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:04, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support Editing through a self requested block is silly, but not the main problem. The main issue is that while under this block they noticed this edit by an editor they had been in dispute with and then followed them to a noticeboard and made a quite frankly bizarre post attacking them, which had no relevance to the boardmitself. If at a time when they want a break from editing they are obsessing over past disputes this much it is probably in their own best interests to enforce a two way iban. AIRcorn (talk) 10:33, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
• Questions - I think there are two serious questions that have been more or less overlooked here.
  #Dream Focus how exactly did you become aware of Hijiri88's retirement? Refer this (Jan. 12) though it's entirely clear that you were aware of it at least two days prior (Jan 10. 15:49, as your last edit prior was on Nov 20.) within hours of their posting their retirement message (Jan 10. 10:43) on their talk page.
  #Hijiri88 how exactly did you become aware of DreamFocus' return to editing? Refer this (Jan. 23), I'm not aware of any earlier posts that might tie into this (I can't tell a static from dynamic ip). Ideally I'd like an explanation as to how it is you were made aware of an edit to a page that you have never edited.
  You might note that I've underlined the word exactly, exactly should be read as "with specificity". At this stage I am only interested in a timeline of the facts. The responses, or lack thereof, will inform my judgement as to what should be done. I have one further thing to express, but it'll wait for responses. Mr rnddude (talk) 12:16, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

  I was emailed by two different people who told me he was gone for awhile. When I had left Wikipedia I got emails from more than that from people who agreed it was wrong for me not to be able to complain when someone refused to stop trash talking me all over the place. You can see in his recent rant that started this he accuses me of all sorts of nonsense out of nowhere. This certainly isn't the first time he has done this to me or others. When he can't just change the subject and try to have long drawn out arguments about random unrelated things, he just pretends he is sorry and not going to do it again. I need a two way interaction ban to make him stop this, since there is no other way. Dream Focus 14:59, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

  @Dream Focus: Those in houses with transparent roofs ought to be jolly careful what they do with rocks. Several have commented here that, while Hijiri88 has behaved badly, you've not been a saint yourself and his bad behaviour doesn't exonerate you. Drop it. For the love of God, please, drop it. GoldenRing (talk) 15:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

  See, this is what happens. Mr rnddude asks a question to DF about Hijiri88 here at ANI regarding the matter, and if DF answers, they are then further chastised. I recommend to DF to not answer any more questions here about Hijiri88 if it is going to be held against them in this forum. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:25, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

  Quite. With all due respect to Mr rnddude, his questions here are absurd. In the middle of a discussion which looks like imposing an IBAN between these two editors, he asks them to pass comment on each other? I agree with Northamerica that neither editor should make any more comments about the other. We have all the evidence we need. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 15:32, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I disagree, one of the issues here is how come they both seemed to know what the other was up to when both (supposedly) had retried. It is perfectly reasonable to want suspicions of stalking (for example) allayed (I for one would). Moreover you can say "I came here because I had been invited by bertterrible" without adding "and by the way HArrycrumb is at fault here".Slatersteven (talk) 15:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

@Northamerica1000: Come off it. The first two sentences of DF's reply would have sufficed and been passed by without comment. The remainder is raking over all the same garbage - and then they felt it necessary to come back and insert more with the edit summary "hopefully everyone sees a pattern here". Yes, we see the pattern, but I'm not sure it's the one DF was referring to. GoldenRing (talk) 16:03, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

A no-win situation for DF. Don't reply, and risk being chastised. Reply, and then be chastised. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:24, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, or, you know, just answer the question that was put and leave it at that and win. GoldenRing (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Well, if DF hadn't answered the question, then you'd have nothing to complain about, other than perhaps that they didn't answer the question. It's a real catch-22. But, I digress. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:09, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support per GoldenRing, Fish&K, et al. With the IP editing going on, they should thank their lucky stars it's not an indef block instead. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:38, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support the IBAN. Also reiterate that this really is the last last chance to avoid a lengthy block. I don't want us to lose Hijiri's valuable content contributions, but it just seems like no matter how many times they promise to improve, it is always followed up (sometimes in the very same post) with more of the same behaviour. Hijiri, *please* take on board Fish & Karate's advice on your talk page. Really take it on board. That means no more attacks on people in edit summaries, no more accusations of hounding, and just staying away from the pages of people you don't get on with. If other people are uncivil to you then that will be noted by others, so let them dig their own graves without joining them. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 14:34, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support - if not, this will be rinse, repeat in a few weeks/months. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 15:31, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Comment How'd they no? It's in the subtext.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:11, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Shahanshah5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• Removed a link to "History of Iran" from the
  WP:RS reference written by a renowned Iranologist (Alireza Shapour Shahbazi).[48]
• Accused other editors of "Azerbaijanophobia" at Talk:Bahmanyar.[49]
• Tried to label
  Brill publishers as a "non-reliable publisher" (because Brill sources were putting a halt to his agenda).[50]
• Tried to dispute/remove the Persian origin of the
  House of Sasan, even though it was literally sourced in the article.[51]-[52]
• Tried to label Bahmanyar, a historic Persian figure, as an "Azerbaijani". No edit summary/no explanation. Added non-RS source, no page number.[53]
• Tried to label
  Iskander Beg Munshi, a historic Persian writer, as an Azerbaijani. No edit summary/no explanation. Added non-RS source, no page number.[54]
• Tried to label the
  WP:NPOV. I even told him this on numerous occassions.[56]-[57]
• Removed the
  Shirvanshahs from "Iran" and added it to "Eastern Europe".[58]
• Added anachronistic gibberish to the Antioch article.[59]
• More
  WP:IDHT.[60]

• Comment : The reported user seems to have a pro Azerbaijani agenda here, on the English Wikipedia, and also, with all due respect, some
  WP:NOTHERE.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)}
  00:47, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

A problem with this editor was also reported on my talk page in December: see

WP:AA2 can be an option. The user was notified of this discussion on 6 January and gave a point-by-point response. Unfortunately all his statements were removed by another editor who didn't like the interlinear edits. I'll leave a further note for Shahanshah5. EdJohnston (talk

) 04:02, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

(The "another concern" thread has been archived to User_talk:EdJohnston/Archive_46#Another_concern.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:13, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@

WP:CIR issues and is a POV-pusher. Saying, like he did in his point-by-point answer, that he has tried to add "Azerbaijani" to some articles because he was not experienced enough does not sound like a good faith answer. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)}

23:32, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

This comment shows, one more time, his inability to speak English and his battleground mentality.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:20, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@EdJohnston:, as admin would you tell me that which of my edits can be reason to make me blocked? Shahanshah5 (talk) 08:41, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

@Wikaviani:, I already introduced my online English certificate on my talk page, but for you I can add it also to here [1]. Shahanshah5 (talk) 08:43, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Honestly, I think Shahanshah5 views WP like a fighting video game. e.g. some users revert and reject his edits but he believes he must win. So he decides to continue his problematic edits or targets some specific topics. Even if we consider his edits as good faith ones, there are some serious issues that can't be ignored: Weak command of English, ignoring WP guidelines and other editors' comments, lack of interest in collaboration, and Obvious nationalistic/irredentist/anachronistic POV. So do you think giving him the second chance would solve those issues? Everything about him proves this case is WP:NOTHERE. But if he promises to change his behavior, then I support a final warning or 6-month block. --
  talk
  ) 08:45, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Also it seems he does not care about his account. Dropped an inappropriate reply on 2019-01-06[63] and didn't try to rewrite it again or write a proper reply. Seriously what is this?![64] --

talk

) 10:20, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• Query If he made a point-by-point rebuttal it might be helpful to see it. Is there a link that I missed? Can it be copied here?19:08, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Here is the link you asked for.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:57, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

@

Wario-Man:, I'm interested in the collaboration with every Wiki user (who make edits on historical topics )since I often try to discuss some edits and future edits on talk pages, here is some examples: [1] 2, [2], [3

]. I want also add that you should concretize which my edits you mean by saying nationalistic/irredentist.

• The link which was inserted in the Iranian identity which was nonsense, but if it wasn't nonsense User talk:LouisAragon could restore the link. But he didn't it, probably, to use it against me one day :) What about that reference, as I already wrote in my edit summary[1], the source that I deleted doesn't mention about Iranian identity, so I deleted it. If my these edits weren't in Wiki policy, it must be proved me by my pro-Iranian colleagues who wish to see me blocked :(
• I never accused anyone on Bahmanyar talk page, but I noticed Azerbaijanophobia to colleague's message where modern Azerbaijani irrendist political ideology is using as an argument on historical person's talkin page. @LouisAragon:, Let's have a some flashbacks from it:

"Non-RS nonsense. These are the same "historians" who claim that Iran and Armenia are "ancient Turkic lands", and that anything from Derbent to Urmia, Zanjan, to Kars etc is part of "Bütöv Azərbaycan" that used to exist "since times immemorial". No self respecting Western historian takes these "books" serious. Azerbaijani (SSR and post 1991) and Tsarist/Soviet Russian sources are mostly packed with agenda-loaded propaganda, refuted/debunked by leading scholars in the West. Here's an example.[3] The same thing goes for many Armenian and Georgian sources of the Soviet era. They should all be avoided."

I gave him an answer on the same way, which now I think wasn't needed to me and to the encyclopedia. But I think it's ok, because at that time I wasn't experienced.

• I'm curious that why @LouisAragon: says that I labelled Brill as non-reliable while I said that it's not high reliable source[1]. In addition, I gave there two publisher rankings which proves my words about Brill's source.
• My edits on Bahmanyar and Iskander Beg Munshi pages were one of my first edits which weren't experienced.
• Baku Khanate ethnically is an Azerbaijani khanate which house was Bakhikanovs of, but unfortunately I forgot saying it to Louis Aragon when we had a discussion on my talk page.
• The states on this page are groupped by a geographical criteria. So Shirvanshahs as the state which was on modern Azerbaijani territories, should be in the Eastern Europe section, so I added it to list of Eastern European states.
• My edits on Antioch and Quba Khanate pages weren't carefully, I understand it. Shahanshah5 (talk) 12:44, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

First, this complaint is very hard to follow. Second, this looks like a content dispute. 2600:100F:B104:1606:FC9F:90E:6DC4:B70E (talk) 17:56, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

1)What Shahanshah5 links to is a Ranking system by SENSE. Nowhere on this page does it state Brill is an unreliable, less reliable or even that "it's not high reliable source". Yet again, Shahanshah5 has shown their inability to read and comprehend what is written in English. Here is the SENSE documentation and organization page. "Where it states:Please note that the WASS-SENSE ranking list of publishers has been set up for the WASS and SENSE Dutch Graduate Schools only. The list is based on the publishing houses used by our researchers. It should not be used by other institutes."
This attempt to blacken a quality academic publishing house was in response to Brill publishing a review that highlighted the Azerbaijani government's involvement in rewriting Azerbaijani history. This is

(1), SENSE documentatation [1] where it writes that A: Refereed book publications published by the world top of publishers'B: Refereed book publications published by the world’s semi-top of publishers'? Doesn't the A rated means the being high rated source? And how B rated source the Brill can be as high rated? Oh, and checked Brill also on this Wiki page where were the lists of the top publishers but I didn't notice notice there the name of Brill. And what about it "This attempt to blacken a quality academic publishing house was in response to Brill publishing a review that highlighted the Azerbaijani government's involvement in rewriting Azerbaijani history", why don't you give at least two publisher rankings that Brill is the A rated?

(3)I think you're a little bit late with the Bahmanyar talk page, so I already answered to it on ANI. What about the second accusing, hm, I had thought users here can be honest since @

Wario-Man

: labelled my edits as the pro-Azerbaijani and nationalistic/irredentist. So I had thought I also should be honest and said about the POV of some my colleagues.

(4)I already answered about Quba Khanate here. What about the second deal of "blamed me for their lack of compentence in English", it's not so succesfull manipulating over meaning of my sentence were I citated "I think you didn't fix these sentence on those articles to get another evidence against me :)" You didn't revert my edit and at least didn't fix my sentences(which was on high RS source) until your reporting of me to the admin. But after reporting the admin, when you done your work you reverted my edits [1], [2]. Shahanshah5 (talk) 13:59, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon:, aren't you going to answer my demand about your accusing me on this my edit? Shahanshah5 (talk) 14:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Topic ban proposal

Based on the evidence and the discussion above, I propose a 6-month topic ban on all topics related to the Middle East, the Caucasus region and the Iranian/Turkic world for Shahanshah5. - LouisAragon (talk) 08:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support per my above comment and evidences provided by involved users. 6-month topic ban will show us if he's
  talk
  ) 09:41, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support per the above evidences and comments.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:19, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support The evidence above shows that Shahanshah5 is not capable of working collaboratively or obeying Wikipedia's policies on NPOV and reliable sources when writing about these topics. --Jayron32 17:11, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support Frankly, I think the above shows grounds for a CIR block, but let's start gently and see if things improve. Blocks are cheap and easy, gaining editors less so. GoldenRing (talk) 17:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support I kinda agree with Goldenring, but yes, start with a topic ban- possibly if the editor avoids an area they seem to have strong views on, they can slow down and learn a bit more about collaboration, NPOV, AGF and reliable sources. Curdle (talk) 18:19, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support Agree with Goldenring there are grounds for a CIR block. A 6-month topic ban will negate the disruption, not sure how this will fix CIR issues or as Jayron notes, reliable sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:35, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support per GoldenRing. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 19:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• I'll support a 6-month topic ban since that is what's on the table, but actually I don't much believe in them. It's too easy to wait out a time-limited ban without editing, learn nothing, and then come back with all the old problems intact. I'd much prefer an indefinite topic ban, to be appealed no sooner than in 6 months, where the appeal will only be received favorably if it's believable and the editing on other subjects (and on sister projects!) shows progress. (I'm good with a CIR block too.) Bishonen | talk 22:17, 17 January 2019 (UTC).

• I could also certainly support an indefinite ban, but would like to see them given at least some chance before we indef them. GoldenRing (talk) 11:17, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support for reasons given above --AndInFirstPlace 03:40, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

• Note to closer: The above editor has been here for 5 days, and already has been blocked twice. He doesn't know sh*t from Shinola about Wikipedia, and shows it in their every edit (eg. they thought admins were assigned to articles, and filed an RfA so they could become the admin for an article they were editing, and was in multiple disputes about; see #User:AndInFirstPlace below for more). Their !vote here should be disregarded. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:51, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

• Striking AndInFirstPlace from the above discussion on grounds that an SPI confirms he has used multiple accounts abusively. TomStar81 (Talk) 18:40, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

• I also have my doubts about fixed-term topic bans, as it is an editor's problematic approach to controversial subjects that needs to change and not their age, but I'll support this as it's what's being proposed. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:06, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
• SUpport per Bishonen with the caveat that a block will be in the offing for recalcitrance.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Elaboration on Topic ban proposal

I was a bit ambivalent about the efficacy of 6 month topic ban, but reluctant to support a straight out CIR indef for a relatively new user. I would be more than happy to support something along the lines of what Bishonen suggested; ie topic ban appealable in 6 months, but only if accompanied by evidence that Shahanshah5 has genuinely learned, understood and put into practice Wikipedia policy in regards to collaboration, NPOV, and reliable sources. Curdle (talk) 15:36, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

• COMMENT: Can an admin finally close this case? There is unanimous support for a TBAN. Many days have passed (the archive bot even accidentally archived it due to inactivity, had to salvage it manually[67]). - LouisAragon (talk) 11:26, 26 January 2019 (UTC)