Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive136

A few hours ago,

Who cares? These days anyone who does anything even vaguely related to pagemove vandalism or has a username containing something WoW like is Willy on Wheels. (FWIW the original vandal using that name was UK based, that user is US based). Given that one of those names was well known for harassing the others on the list, then you could take a view of either (a) It is one sad individual who can't get attention for doing constructive things or (b) it is just a furtherance of that harassment. Again who cares though? If someone is involved in vandalism and harassment -

WP:RBI. Don't feed the trolls. --pgk

06:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget Bobby Boulder. --Cyde Weys 06:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't know any Mike Garcia, Johnny the Vandal, or Willy on Wheels. I know several Michaels, and Hephaestos used to contribute a fair bit, but I have never heard of the three people above. No idea what you're talking about. --Deathphoenix ʕ 14:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

talk · contribs) for that purpose. Part of the reason was his alleged contrition, and partially because the AOL blocks that were aimed at him frequently hit others, particularly Danny (talk · contribs). If memory serves he finally admitted that while the Garcia account was relatively well behaved he was also running the Jonny the Vandal accounts. He claims to be WoW but there's no reason to believe him, as Pgk notes above. WoW really isn't a single vandal any more - it's essentially a franchised brand that any old idiot picks up. Hephaestos, on the other hand, was a long-term, very productive, highly capable and very well respected contributor and fearless vandal-slayer (back in the days before all these namby pamby vandalfighting tools like bots and autoblockers and even rangeblock). Michael had a particular obsession with Heph, and it looks like (surprise) Jonny the Vandal did too. There's no reason to suppose that Michael will stop any time soon (he's been doing this junk for years). The sooner we permanently block those parts of AOL which can't/won't send end-user IP info the better. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk

19:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The major difference between Wow and Michael was their attitude - Michael was always a foulmouthed, threatening, nasty vandal. The real WoW (back when one could descern him from those who took his name) never was; indeed, he seemed to go out of his way to make himself obvious, and while his vandalism was frequent and sometimes hard to fix, it always seemed to me that (in his own weird litle way) thought he was part of the dev team, helping us with pen testing by doing vandalism we couldn't ignore but which (if some visitor chanced upon it) was both clearly vandalism and yet inoffensive (he could, lets face it, have renamed pages to something far worse than "... on wheels"). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Heck, Hephaestos was a vandal-fighter in the days when there was no ArbCom, & IIRC he had about as much clout as a newly-minted Admin today -- if that much (I don't remember if we even had Admins besides Jimbo in those days). BTW, Danny considered Michael one of his success stories, & I don't know if he's been convinced that Michael==Johnny the Vandal. It would be enough to discourage anyone if it is true. -- llywrch 20:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Michael is not Hephaestos. Hephaestos left Wikipedia because of Michael. The Johnny the Vandal is Mike Garcia, we know that now. I have yet to see Danny respond to any of this, though. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

No one knows who any of these vandals really are. If someone gives you info claming that he/ worked with vandal there is know way of knowing.---Scott3 _{Talk Contributions Count: 950+} 02:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, still doesn't ring a bell. These people must not be of real consequence if I don't know them. --Deathphoenix ʕ 02:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, everyone that you do not know does not matter. It is not like anything goes on without your notice or went on before you got here, as a self-described part-timer and newcomer, respectively. ;-) -- Kjkolb 06:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

That's true. As a part-time newbie, I can't be expected to know everyone, but as an all-important janitor, I can state with extreme confidence that anyone I've never heard of doesn't matter. --Deathphoenix ʕ 13:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's time someone went through the history of grapefruit seed extract and it's talk page and do some sort of rangeblocking from this once static and now dynamic IP editor. Ryūlóng 06:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Their latest vandalism added the comment that they have "Dynamic IP Universal" (a great new-to-them program) on the Talk:Grapefruit page (here's the diff). I tend to agree that something may need to be done in a range sense for a short term or maybe sprotect will suffice. ju66l3r 17:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

this reposted again. And so again the same drill. The article has been cleaned up, the history can't be removed. -- Drini 19:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Well couldn't we just delete the entries from the history in question? (Drini could you do this? I always screw up deletion of specific difs)JoshuaZ 00:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Would a couple of kindly admins please put this Article on their watchlists. It has been the subject of much reverting and "debate" amongst interested editors. As someone not involved I will attempt to calm the situation but I am concerned it might quickly go pear-shaped. Someone with a bit more firepower than me watching the situation would be helpful.

--

Sure thing. I just placed it on my watchlist, and briefly looking at the history, I've seen that at least two administrators have recently edited the article. hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?} 06:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Since someone else brought this to AN/I, I'll speak up now about my experience with it and the editors who work on it. I was so new that I didn't know what to do and thought that what happened to me was okay, and the way Wikipedia worked.

During my very first week as a registered Wikipedian, I put a 'cite sources' tag on the article page. There was an edit war going on about a sex abuse scandal and how the article should treat that scandal, so I thought I could help by asking them to provide a source for the content in question. I won't rehash the lambasting I got here, but if you're inclined to look in the history of the article's talk page and my talk page in June 2006, it's there.

I couldn't log in to Wikipedia without someone leaving a nasty personal attack on my talk page almost as soon as I logged in. I really was trying to help, but they scared me so much that I almost left Wikipedia for good. I didn't yet know about admins and that they could intervene, or that I could refactor personal attacks out of my own talk page. Obviously, I eventually decided to stay here and I'm glad I did, but it left its scars, which I'll keep to myself. I truly hope they haven't intimidated any others in that fashion. An admin really needs to see what's going on over there, because Wikipedians should not behave like that. Thanks – I really needed to get that off my chest. :-) BaseballBaby 21:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• Aflfinals (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Can you please block this one as well. It's pretty clear he chooses not to yield on a number of pages, including

We could adopt the path used at Woman, where no changes to the lead image are allowed without first gaining consensus on the talk page. Any changes without consensus may be immediately reverted. If we identify which bits he keeps changing, then we can adopt a similar policy and keep on reverting them, regardless of what account shows up. Pnatt is of a dogged and determined personality, and we need firm measures to keep control. If he were able to work with other editors and accept consensus, then there would be no problem. --Jumbo 22:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

If he were able to work with other editors and accept consensus, he wouldn't be community banned. Sockpuppet blocked. To Ju66, if the socks continue to be as obvious as this then often

MySpace"), and if it gets removed without blocking you can then go here. I wouldn't keep adding to the same section, as people tend to read these boards from the bottom upwards, new posts first. --Sam Blanning^(talk)

00:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, Samuel. I will try AIV first next time and see how that goes. I appreciate the help. ju66l3r 03:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that happened, but all of a sudden I have a dozen pages like Wikipedia:Snowball fight and Wikipedia:SherlockJones on my watchpage. It seems someone was move-warring over WP:SNOW... but how come none of these pages show up in the move log, in the SNOW history, or have any history or deleted history? Is this some software change of which I'm unaware? >Radiant< 20:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Possibly caused by moving the article's talk page separately from the article? [6] --pgk 20:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed it too. Sigh. LinaMishima 20:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

There was some page-move vandalism to

WP:SNOW the other day by User:SherlockJones, which was the cause for the new pages hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?}

06:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I, for one, will never take action which favour editors who (in my opinion, tendenciously) repeatedly advance the viewpoint that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not an antisemite. I doubt many other admins would care to, either. That is then why your pleas continue to be ignored. El_C 02:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

As has been stated repeatedly on the talk page there, it is not that people are trying to advance the viewpoint that he is not an anti-Semite. The whole idea is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and his anti-Semitism has not been proven to warrant this being called a fact on this site.

ThuranX is the one who violated policy, so this has nothing to do with showing favoritism. It is unfathomable how administrators can ignore a personal attack just because they share an opinion with the person that committed that attack. Ignoring such an incident is obviously contrary to the moral obligation and duties of an admin, not to mention an invitation for others to break the rules in the future. Markovich292 06:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

It's fathomable, because I am entitled to choose when and where I expend my voluntary efforts in this project. I didn't notice any outright personal attacks, maybe some incivility. In MA's case, I consider Holocaust denial and antisemitism to be interchangable. El_C 07:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

What is unfathomable to me is how an administrator, someone that is supposed to be upholding the values of Wikipedia, can ignore such behavior. For the sake of argument, lets just call this behavior incivility. That is still something that admins should deal with. Your "voluntary efforts" apparently include reading incident reports like mine (which you obviously read because you mention incivility) and just ignoring them because they dont jive with your POV. Since when does being an admin entitle you to use your tools selectively based on your POV? Markovich292 20:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I've left a note at ThuranX's talk page about civility issues. Hopefully it was phrased in a way that makes my opinion on the matter clear. (although it shouldn't be that hard if we really tried to get even more sources that called Ahmadinejad an anti-semite) JoshuaZ 19:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I thank you for taking the time to address this issue, but if this is really incivility and not a personal attack, that is all the more reason that a warning is not sufficient for this situation. ThuranX has two prior incidents with incivility that drew admin response (one of which was actually a full block), and it is my understanding that repeated negative behavior like this is particularily frowned upon. To give another warning after already having been blocked once is just inviting him to do it again and again. Markovich292 21:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

He keeps vandalizing

This should be reported to

WP:AIV. And please sign your edits. --physicq210

02:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

OK sorry I'm kinda new, thanks for your help Swalot 02:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Concur that a clue-stick may be the only choice here. There have been a lot of attempts to talk to 3d engineer (and his suspiciously-equally tightlipped comrade-in-reverts, User:Unico master 15), with very little response at all and no indication that policy is of any interest whatsoever. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Add in a Clue-by-Four and some Cluepons and we've got some winners. Torinir _{( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options )} 03:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grapefruit&diff=75819232&oldid=75818488

03:04, 15 September 2006 Ju66l3r (Talk | contribs) The user Ju6613r has vandalized an article.

Check the history for proof that a user is damaging articles on grapefruit and grapefruit seed extract. This administrator shoud be investigated. Thanks.

Now that I have your full attention, please ERASE copyright infringement info in the history pages. Copyright Violations is against wikipedia's rules. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. Now that I have your attention please investigate! Copyright Violations by "Devios" is against the pillar of Wikipedia's Rules! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grapefruit_seed_extract&oldid=72495019 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grapefruit_seed_extract&oldid=72467578

Compare the info which Judith Sims wrote and the illegal info Devios is putting and reverting to copyright info on wikipedia's website is considered VANDALISM!!! Read carefully. You will find copyrighted info on wikipedia's website. This is against the law.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2603/is_0003/ai_2603000396 < Judith Sims

Thanks in advance for conducting an investigation into this copy right violation.

1. My edit wasn't vandalism.
2. I'm not an administrator.
3. Thanks for helping to point out that we still have a copyright range IP vandalism problem on the grapefruit seed extract history section. ju66l3r 03:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Do NOT change the words or intent that I wrote to satisfy your own purposes. That is insidious and I can not think of a worse violation of Wiki-policy. ju66l3r 16:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Can another admin help me out here? I'm touring during this weekend and I won't be able to continue a long dialogue I've been having with

• Amoona (talk · contribs) and Amoonamoon (talk · contribs) has engaged in trolling, personal attacks, harrassment, legal threats, disruption. One thing this user has not done is edit any subject other than Patrick Buri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). I have blocked the user to prevent further harrassment and left a note on the Talk page telling them what to do if they want to move forward - with carrying on as before explicitly excluded as an option. Guy 08:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• A look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Buri might also prove...educational. --Calton | Talk 08:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Another sock

^(talk)

05:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Add to the list of socks

• Smartinfoteck1 (talk · contribs · count)
• Smartinfoteck2 (talk · contribs · count)
• SI4 (talk · contribs · count)

All of these have added spamlinks to http://www.harappa.com . This can be added to the spam blacklist or whatever other mechanisms are present to prevent spam. --Ragib 06:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Some links to Harappa have been added by good-faith editors, including Zakksez (talk · contribs). There are a good number of extant links: [10]. If we need to purge them then we need to purge them, but I just wanted to check as the content looks OK to me. Is the site promoting a POV or something? Guy 09:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

No the site is not really promoting POV. Infact there are some very old and possibly valuable photographs from the last century. But thats almost all that there is. First of all, the photos are all probably in the public domain because the site itself claims them to be pre 1947 and most of them are actually from 1800s. Even if they are not in the public domain, the webmaster can simply upload them here under a free license instead of promoting the site. What goes against the site is the persistent nature of the above reported person who kept making socks to promote the site --

^(talk)

17:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem with trout-slapping spammers, and I'll not intervene against any mass reversion, but it would be good to enlist the webmaster to upload instead (unlikely, though). Guy 23:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

There has been some concern over the use of Wikipedia at our school. I am an admin here. Please suggest possibilties here or via email/phone. Thanks 209.18.49.14 15:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

What is it exactly that you want help with? Can you confirm that you want to try and deal with the mis-use of wikipedia editing that was been causing your IP address to get warnings? LinaMishima 15:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

We kind of need more information... but in general, if your school lets people access Wikipedia from classroom/lab computers, a certain percentage of your students will vandalize articles. We can deal with it, but if it gets too problematic we might have to block your school's ability to edit Wikipedia articles for a few hours. You can discuss specific cases with the admin who issues the block, if need be.

If your concern is just about students reading Wikipedia from school, in a nutshell, most of our articles are reliable, but they should never be used as the sole source of information, just as a student's paper that simply rewords the World Book entry probably won't score very well. Many of our articles cite their sources, which should be helpful to students writing a report or doing a project on a given topic. --W.marsh 19:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I've updated your

SharedIPedu}}, to replace the disclaimer about the fact that the IP is for the Northwestern Lehigh School District. BigNate37_(T)

23:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I just saw this comment from Uncle Eff (talk · contribs) at User talk:209.18.49.14. RadioKirk (talk · contribs) restored the warnings in this edit and left the edit summary "restoring comments; Uncle Eff, if indeed you are a school admin, please go to my user page and, along the left column, is a link to e-mail". Perhaps that is what this AN/I notice is about. BigNate37_(T) 23:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

This user seems to be using wikipedia to document his

You don't need an admin to userfy. Have a word with the editor about the verifiability policy. --Tony Sidaway 17:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Whew. Got everything moved, and it's been explained to him. Hopefully, he won't try to continue building it in his namespace now. --InShaneee 17:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Surely this sort of stuff fails

WP:USER sounds irrelevant to building an encyclopaedia. --pgk

17:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I've listed them at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Lawodis/Saquimnidis and have left the User a note. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

This user is doing it on a basis being obvious: The signature reads Fiddle Faddle, but indeed this user is Timtrent. (User:Timtrent, User:Fiddle Faddle).
I do not loose the idea this user has more identities.
Someone tell him to use a correct signature right now. It is annoying. This report is only about the signature (superimposing another id), and the concern this user might use more masks. I can not say if this user utilizes so-called puppets, but feel it required to express the concern. User:Yy-bo 19:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

His signature is perfectly fine. There is no requirement that a user's signature must be the same as their user name. Timtrent's signature, Fiddle Faddle, even links to his user page. There is no reason to believe that he is being dishonest, or that he is maliciously operating multiple accounts. FreplySpang 21:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I was enjoying not editing Wikipedia, but have been lurking now and then and making a few comments here and there. Today, I noticed, out of the blue, that I had been placed on probation by the Arbitration Committee.[11] Needless to say, it came as quite a surprise. After all, nobody ever told me that the ArbCom was even considering doing as much. I've been involved in ArbCom cases before, but only as a witness. Never as a defendant. I was placed on probation for "tendentious editing," with 5 members voting yes, 1 voting no, and 1 abstaining. The reason? Well, since I've been "banned twice"[12] for 3RR (well, actually only once, since the other two times were later admitted to have been hasty, if not in error), it must follow that I'm a very tendentious editor who needs to be on probation. What is strange, however, is that there was no discussion of this on the case's workshop page. Where did this come from, then? It was placed on the proposed decision page on 28 August 2006, over a month after opening the case (and long after I had paid any attention to it);[13] I received no notification.[14]. Any discussion of the matter is curiously absent from the evidence page[15], and, of course, I had no input in the matter, since I was never told about it.

This only underscores the reasons why I have stopped contributing to Wikipedia. The head does not know what the hands are doing, and the hands don't even know they have fingers. Now I have the distinct pleasure of being placed upon probation without any apparent reason or any apparent warning. I'm extremely disappointed in the administration process, and especially at the ArbCom members who who, it seems, voted yes without adequate consideration of due process. Their only reason for placing me on probation seems to be that it seemed like I had been blocked for 3RR a number of times.

So, now I'm on probation, without evidence, and without ever having been notified that I was even being considered to be put on probation, thereby preventing me from defending myself. Preposterous. --AaronS 16:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• It was in plain sight for weeks, having been added in late August by Dmcdevit [16]. If you don't edit in a tendentious fashion, as you claim, then you should have nothing to worry about. You were still editing heavily when the matter was proposed, but to judge from your contributions you were busy elsewhere. You had weeks to defend yourself, but you chose to stomp off in rage instead. Now you come back to find that the wheels do indeed continue to turn in your absence. I'm afraid I can't fathom how it is you've been wronged in this matter. Mackensen (talk) 16:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Do you really expect me to keep an eye on an ArbCom case that I'm not even involved in? I offered my initial statements as a witness in July, and then let those people who were actually involved sort it out. I had no opportunity to defend myself, because I was completely in the dark. Furthermore, I did not stomp off in a rage at all when I left Wikipedia. I was disappointed, yes, but not angry. Just like now. I also find it disappointing that anybody who is critical of Wikipedia in general gets caricatured as an angry, angsty, whining idiot. I'm just presenting my thoughts, and I would appreciate it if you treated them with the same consideration with which I treat yours. Your hostility seems unwarranted. --AaronS 16:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm just telling you how I see the matter; I see no need for you to bring in all those negative epithets. For my part, I've always kept an eye on Arbitration cases in which I had either given evidence or been named a party. As a frequent editor of a page involved in an arbitration case you were obviously a party to the matter. My characterization of your leaving is based on my reading of your supposedly final post on this noticeboard, after which you promptly disappeared for a length of time. If you've been characterized as an "angry, angsty, whining idiot" it's only by your hand; I've made no such remarks and I see nothing in my rather terse reply above that would suggest such a characterization. You were in the dark by choice. Mackensen (talk) 16:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Forgive me for interpreting your statements as smug and dismissive; clearly I was in error. I was also unaware that people become party to an ArbCom case simply by association. I was never named as a party to the case. I gave evidence, monitored it for a while, and then stopped monitoring it after a few weeks. My final post to this page contained no "rage," just disappointment, as I have already noted. Characertizing someone as "stomping off in a rage" has plenty of negative and condescending connotations. You are correct that there was no need for me to bring them to the forefront; they were already there. --AaronS 16:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
        • This same thing happened to me, after over 1 month of my arbcom case having no attention its being proposed I be put on probabtion even though the other people involved, including the accuser do not edit Wikipedia anymore. Luckily someone drew my attention to it since after almost 2 weeks of no admin or arbcom member even noticing it I took it off my watch list. As it stands it would have flown right by me that anyone even proposed anything, actually ti did since they moved on to the enxt stage without even informing me. I guess its just the load of the ammont of work they have, but it seems it prevents people from actually being to defend themselves as at any moment things can spur along rather quickly, meaning proposed items to final items in 3 days after 1 month of no activity. --User:Zer0faults 16:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
          • The case, which is, oddly enough, named
            t
            00:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Something obviously has to be done about the situation as I filed an Arbcom against another user and it came back one month after the person quit Wikipedia that they were being given a 24 hour block ... Perhaps Arbcom needs to grow as the wiki grows. --User:Zer0faults 16:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The probation should stand; however this was an oversight on behalf of the Committee and the Clerks. We should have added AaronS formally as a party to the case and notified him shortly after probation was proposed. --Tony Sidaway 16:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

In a case like this (where apparently notice was not given to one of the added parties), I would hope that ArbCom would be willing to reopen the relevant portion of the case should AaronS wish to present some evidence in his own defense. Dragons flight 16:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with Dragons flight. olivier 17:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

As do I, but... tisk, tisk, we forgot that arbcom is above us mere mortals, so it doesn't matter worth a damn what we say here. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 17:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

So, thanks for that useful comment. Would you like to take a free kick at someone else, too, or are you finished for the day? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I was gonna spit on some homeless orphans, but that might be too magnanimous of me. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 18:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

If the ArbCom admits that it has made a mistake in the application of its procedure, then it is in the interest of its credibility to step back and apply the procedure properly. olivier 17:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I would assume that, as in most cases where probation is imposed, the involved party may make a request to have the probation lifted. In this case, a request of the following form is probably appropriate.

I would like to apply to have my editing probation lifted. I did not know that probation was being considered as a remedy to be applied to me, and was not notified that ArbCom was treating me as an involved party to the case. I believe that probation would not have been applied in my case had I had an opportunity to explain my actions. Specifically, probation is inappropriate in this case because of the following errors of fact or interpretation by the ArbCom: ____, ____, and _____.

Note that if there isn't an error in the ArbCom's findings of fact, or there isn't a good explanation for the behaviour observed, the probation is unlikely to be lifted. (He did receive 3 3RR blocks over a span of six weeks, imposed by three different admins.) This can be handled as a single motion amending the closed case. I also note that probation, in and of itself, doesn't restrict an editor in any way—as long as that editor abides by our policies and employs good editing practices. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have a general familiarity with ArbCom procedures but no involvement in this particular case, no acquaintanceship with (?ex-)User:AaronS, and no familiarity with the subject article,

WP:RfAr

at the case acceptance stage, on July 24. The case was then opened on July 26 and ArbClerk Tony Sidaway duly notified him on his talk page that: "An arbitration case in which you commented has been opened. Please add evidence to the evidence page. You may also contribute to the case on the Workshop page." (Italics mine, obviously.) There is no suggestion that the user must submit anything or follow the case for a decision.

The form of this notice was different from the one given to users who were considered parties to the case, for example,

User:Intangible

. The notice from Tony to those users read, "An arbitration case involving you has been opened...." There was no indication that AaronS was a party to the case or was potentially subject to sanctions.

Once the ArbCom accepted the case, an ArbClerk sets up the case with its Case, Evidence, Workshop, and Proposed Decision pages. At the top of the Case page, the template reads, "Please do not edit this page directly unless you wish to become a party in this request." However, the Case page was opened on July 26, and AaronS last commented on July 24, on the main RfAr page, which does not have such a notation and frequently incorporates comments from "uninvolved users" (I myself have commented there on occasion, and do not consider that doing so made me a party to the case I commented on, although I did follow the cases thereafter). The Case page lists the involved parties as Cberlet and Intangible; there is no mention of AaronS as a party and, although it might have made good sense for him to be following the case, he was under no notice that he had to do so and it appears that his surprise at having been notified, more than two months later, that he had been placed on Probation, is genuine and understandable.

As Tony Sidaway indicates, what occurred here is an inadvertent error on the part of busy ArbCom members and ArbClerks in not notifying AaronS when an arbitrator decided sua sponte to propose a remedy against him. No aspersions of any kind should be cast and good faith on the part of the Arbs and ArbClerk is not only assumed, but it is clear that the fullest good faith was actually present throughout.

However, given the error that took place, the appropriate procedure is for an interested party to make a request on

WP:RfAr

that this case be reopened to give AaronS an opportunity to present evidence if he wishes to do so. In the first instance, an Arbitrator can present such a request, or Aaron can do so himself (it goes under Requests rather than Motions if a non-Arb does it). If AaronS wants, I will place the motion on the page for him, although I am not expressing any opinion on whether he ultimately should be on probation or not (nor do I know if he cares given that he says he's on quasi-perma-Wiki-break anyhow).

Looking forward, I suggest that it become a practice that if a user is named on Workshop or Proposed Decision as being subject to a remedy, he or she be notified on talk. It sounds from what Tony has written above that this is what is intended anyway.

This sincerely is not aimed as a criticism of the Arbitrators or the ArbClerk for an inadvertent mistake. (I think ArbCom does a good job; if I were to criticize them at all, it would be for the undue delays that permeate some of the proceedings; understandable to be sure, as we are all busy people here and the Arbs more than most, but ... well, that is a conversation for another time.) Nor is it meant as Wikilawyering; ArbCom is not litigation, and picky procedural points should often be disregarded; and in any event, if I ever have to Wikilawyer, it won't be for someone I never heard of before :) . But this situation goes to the fundamental fairness of the proceeding, and I think it is in the interest of ArbCom as well as the affected user to acknowledge that, an inadvertent mistake having been made, it should be corrected. AaronS may wind up back on Probation anyway, but he's entitled to have his say if he chooses. Newyorkbrad 18:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to everybody for your comments. I appreciate the efforts of people to take a closer look at this matter and to try to examine it as objectively as possible. To be honest, if the case were to be reopened or reevaluated, I'm not sure how I would respond, because no evidence was presented to which I could respond. My involvement was apparently not discussed on any of the pages. In fact, the only discussion concerning me that I can find is on the discussion page of the main case page. Lingeron, sock puppet of indefinitely banned user Thewolfstar, posted a long diatribe against me, it seems. I wasn't even aware of it, or, if I was, I don't remember it now. Thus far, the argument seems to have been that, since I have a block log with some 3RR violations, I must have deserved it. Such an argument, of course, is highly fallacious and unfair.

I only care about this ArbCom decision because it is a slap in the face. I don't think that it received the attention that it deserved, and feel that it was marred by procedural missteps. As I said in the beginning, if it were to be reexamined, I'm not sure what I would say. The most surprising thing is that, as of yet, no evidence has been presented against me. Again, thanks to everybody for your input. --AaronS 20:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Weren't there eleven active members for this decision? The committee page version on 26 July [17] lists fourteen total and eleven active, and the

I didn't even notice that. Good point. --AaronS 21:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

A user facing AC sanctions must be informed that they are party to an RfAr, so that they would be allowed the opportunity to respond. El_C 21:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Interesting point as to whether 5-1-1 is a majority here, but I've probably been overly analytic today on multiple threads so I'll let that one go. The substantive question is whether the user had a fair opportunity to be heard before he was found to have edit-warred and a sanction was imposed. Granting that there may be little value to reopening a case if the result is predetermined, the sub-question is whether there's any reasonable possibility that the result might have been different if the user had been asked to submit his evidence. Given that one arbitrator (Fred Bauder) voted against the finding because he found insufficient evidence against AaronS, and another arbitrator abstained because he did not think this user's conduct was serious enough to warrant probation, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that a full opportunity for AaronS to be heard could have changed the result. Newyorkbrad 23:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

As a regular editor on the anarchism page, I can say that there is a good chance the probation would not have gone through had aaron (and others such as myself) been able to comment on the matter. As Aaron says, one of his blocks was overturned after he explained the situation. The blocking admin in the second case apologized and said they wouldn't have blocked had they had more information, but the block had already expired by that time, so he was never unblocked. So basically, he has one block, and considering the crap that goes on at the anarchism articles, and how long he's been editing, that's pretty impressive. Most of the edit warring that happens there is due to users who are now indefinitely blocked, or sockpuppets of those users before they are blocked themselves for being socks. A lot of outsiders don't realize this, so users like Aaron will occassionally be blocked. It's understandable, and it usually gets resolved without a problem. I personally think probation is a bit harsh in his case. Especially considering he was never even notified. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 23:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the problem here is clear. I was the one that personally added the proposal, and, since AaronS was involved, having offered evidence and had evidence offered against him, it didn't even occur to me that he would be unaware of the proposal. I just learned that he was, and that is unfortunate. As Dragons flight suggests, if he has a defense he would have liked to put forth, I, as with the rest of ArbCom, am ready, willing, and eager to hear it. Place it in the

Thank you for your open-mindedness, Dmcdevit. I appreciate your taking the time to reconsider this. It is also encouraging that you are more than happy to embrace your human limitations, which is always a healthy and commendable acknowledgement. As I have indicated a number of times throughout this discussion, however, I am confused as to what accusations of wrongdoing I should defend myself against. So far, no evidence has been provided. The only thing I can find in that case pertaining to me, before you added anything regarding me, is a post by banned user

WP:3RR

violations, but much discussion has already been had with regard to those blocks, and their gravity is less than certain. Since nobody seems to have presented any evidence against me, and since you were the person who made me a party to the case, perhaps you have evidence that you would like to present. In that case, I encourage you to do so, so that I, along with a few other editors, I am sure, could respond to it.

There is also the issue of an apparent lack of a majority. If the required majority was 6, and there were only 5 yes votes, then this might be a non-issue. Thanks again, --AaronS 01:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

AaronS, you should make these points on

the requests for arbitration page. The other arbitrators may not see them here. Good luck. Newyorkbrad

01:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks. --AaronS 01:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

If the other arbitrators join in the fair and sensible approach of Dmcdevit, it looks like the problem is solved. Speaking for myself, at least, no accusatory tone whatsoever was intended; I stated several times that what happened was clearly an inadvertent oversight, and was concerned only because there were suggestions (not by arbitrators, and some since withdrawn) that perhaps it shouldn't be fixed. ArbCom is busy, and Dmcdevit is one of the two most active arbitrators (being one of the two arbs who actually write the decisions), and the community (well, the small subset of the community that follows ArbCom matters) understands and appreciates that. Newyorkbrad 00:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed completely; I would like to take this opportunity to praise Newyorkbrad's advice here. There's not much more I have to say in extension of Dom's comment, however. :-)

James F. (talk) 10:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I would just like to point out that I complained about the lack of natural justice in my case, when the very same arbitrator responsible for this débacle thought it perfectly reasonable to go about making findings concerning my actions which had not been brought in evidence and which were irrelevant to the case actually before the ArbCom. This separate case is, to coin a phrase, "particularly egregious". David | Talk 16:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

LordByronKing (

I have given him a last warning on his Talk page. Note that an apparent sock puppet, User:Onedayoneday, has been blocked for making threats against another User. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have now blocked him for re-inserting himself into articles. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Zoe -Zappernapper 04:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Can someone review his behaviour please? He has been giving people vandalism tags in content disputes, and when I asked him about this, he became rather hostile User_talk:Blnguyen#Personal_attacks.3F, so I would like someone else to have a look in case that I am too involved to act impartially, or at least give the impression of partiality. His posts since then leave me wondering about whether he is serious about editing here. In one edit summary he refers to User:Hornplease as "Horny", for instance. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Samir issued a final warning. Guy 09:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Despite explaining

WP:AN/3RR. --Ragib

09:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

The ban is unjustified and User:Ragib should peruse the policy (written in English) once again. Which text was "unreferenced"? Good Bloke 13:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

CheckUser shows that this new user is BADMINton using a sockpuppet to evade his block.

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01:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Though the jibes at Hornplease were quite unwarranted, the trouble with

User:Holywarrior are not unique to Badminton. At least 6 users have been insulted, cheated, and affected negatively by Ikonoklast's actions. Soft discipline should be given to Badminton.Bakaman _Bakatalk

00:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Opened a sockpuppet account Good Bloke (talk · contribs) to evade the block.

No comments on such a statement. Does this call for a ban? ♔BADMIN♛ (आओ✍) 23:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• Nazi user box, claims in his user box page to be a Nazi, with a swastika image

The Swastika is sacred. The Nazis lost the war and Germans still love them. Plus, it's MY sandbox.♔BADMIN♛ (आओ✍) 23:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• Also, in the same page, claims to be a Wikipedia lawyer in an userbox.

Hilarious! I can try anything in my sandbox. ♔BADMIN♛ (आओ✍) 23:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• Added fake gfdl-self tags to an image taken from a website, and upon being notified of the copyvio, retorted that he is the original source though (even the low res image's pixel sizes match exactly).
• Copypasted huge amounts of text from a website, reverted the copyvio reversion, (claiming he material is NOT copyrighted. It appeared in the Pioneer and it is freely distributed. Several websites are using it."),
• For reverting these copyvios, attacked me in my talk page, saying "Please do not dissuade other users if you yourself cannot contribute a word to this encyclopedia. ", and even worse, accused me of "racism".

Who accused you of racism? ♔BADMIN♛ (आओ✍) 23:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• Engaged in incivility towards other users.

How can I comment on a baseless comment? Back your claims. ♔BADMIN♛ (आओ✍) 23:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Note that, this user has been redirected to the appropriate policies countless times, so lack of knowledge of policies does not seem to be an issue here.

An RFCU has been filed, but regardless of the result of that, I think some other admin should take a look into the above behavior, and act accordingly. Thanks. --Ragib 22:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

If I block this account for the copyright infringement until they commit to not doing any more of it, is someone going to object? Jkelly 22:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I think this is something which should be done immediately. Even after a lengthy discussion and advice thread on his talk page, he just uploaded the same image under a different spelling. See this. Even worse, the user continues to claim this to be "gfdl-self" while the image is clearly taken from a website (low res, exact pixel/file sizes). --Ragib 22:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked, noting that the user can be unblocked when they commit to not engaging in further plagiarism or copyright infringement. Jkelly 22:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

They've commited to this, so I've unblocked. Any other problems should be handled through normal

dispute resolution. Jkelly

23:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

It is worth note that User:Ragib pays more attention to what I am doing than contributing anything to the Wikipedia. ♔BADMIN♛ (आओ✍) 23:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually Ragib has done a lot of work on wiki though I dont support the treatment meted out to you.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've certainly had enough of this trolling. He created a user box stating he was a Nazi [18], trolled merrily on his talk page and those of others: [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], on

I've only glanced at the above, but looks like a good (& obvious) call. El_C 02:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I too completely endorse the block. The user has been blatantly trolling and edits like [45] and [46] clearly show that. --Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 04:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• Why have I been banned? Just because I came to defend my case with another ID (Good Bloke)? Did you ever care to see that User:Good Bloke has only one contrib and that too on this page? Is it outlawed?

• Learning to make userboxes in one's sandbox is an act that calls for a ban? What if I have created a
  Nazi userbox in my sandbox? I think we are free to make userboxes that does not offend people. Is the Swastika
  a taboo, Srikeit? Ragib is not a Hindu but you sure are. Do you not know its importance?

• My previous username is not DPSingh or any of those you suspect but is User:Hardinge. And do you not think that calling a user "a rajput vandal" is the grossest of incivilities?

• Why my contributions to the Wikipedia are not being counted? I have started many important articles. All in vain?

• Which of my acts were uncivilised? Did any user complain to you or anyone for my being uncivil?

• Unblock me soon (am I again violating any rule by editing here?). Thanks Defending Myself 10:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC) (User:BADMINton)
• While Srikeit Bhai has shown many references about my edits like [47] , none of them invite for a ban. Most of them were on my own talk page. I did not abuse anyone. I did not vandalise any page. I contributed a lot of useful of information. Then WHY am I being banned? Defending Myself 10:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
• When so many people have gathered to get me banned, it is unlikely that I would be acquitted but I would like to know that under which clause of the
  WP:BP would the ban be justified. Defending Myself
  10:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, he's defended himself, I guess. I took the liberty of indefinitely blocking User:Defending Myself as well -- Samir धर्म 11:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

While he does seem to be aggressive, I think that many of his edits are OK and indefbanning him is a bit too harsh.Could there be an agenda at work here? In my opinion he should be warned sternly to avoid aggressively confronting users. I will be happy to discuss his actions with him.Hkelkar 23:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

It is decidedly NOT OK to (1) create a userbox purporting to be a Nazi, (2) to repeatedly re-enter copyright information into articles and ignore warnings, (3) to insert improperly verified text into articles despite warnings, (4) to have admittedly made at least 2 sockpuppets used for the purpose of posting here to defend his actions and (5) to have ignored warnings of FOUR administrators regarding the above. I question your agenda in supporting him -- Samir धर्म 03:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Badminton was corect about

User:Holywarriors actions. At least the witch-hunt should not be one-sided.Bakaman _Bakatalk

01:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Bigjake continues to remove the comments of others that he disagrees with from his talk page. There has been some discussion about this practice at Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, but no instructions on what to do when this occurs. Please comment. Thanks, Cacophony 05:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• Cacophony posted a note telling him he doesn't own an article to which he responded: "Thanks for the Note. But just know, I still don't care about what you said... get off the soap box, k? Have a nice day:) Bigjake". If this user persistently ignores policy, I'd block him for that instead of the talk page blanking. Blanking in itself is not a bad thing (althought very inconvenient for others who wish to look up discussions with that user), but doing so to hide critical comments might mean this user doesn't respond well to criticism which is not very helpful in a shared project. I'd recommend one final warning, before taking it further. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

My comment was in response to his edit summary on The Playhouse (radio show) that said: "if you're going to change my page, at least do it right, douche". On his most recent blanking of criticism on his talk page, he called User:MacGyverMagic a "fool". I will provide a final warning on his page before requesting a block for personal attacks. Cacophony 18:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Whle he shouldnt remove the comments, why do you keep putting them back and giving him warnings, why not just leave them off and let him cool down instead of antagonizing him with more comments that you know he will remove, just so you can give more warning that you know he will remove. --User:Zer0faults 18:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I have not added any comments or warnings since the 3rd revert. He has now removed criticism on 7 different occasions. So just because he is persistent I should forget about it? That same line of reasoning dictates that because the George Bush article is likely to be vandalized, we should just let the vandals go at it. I don't care if I have to revert it 100,000 times, my comments will remain on that user page. Cacophony 03:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Honestly, is it such a huge deal? Really, you're only pressing the issue because you don't want to be 'silenced' as you so put it, Cacophony. I honestly don't care about my talk page, whatsoever, but what gets me is your following me around and checking my edits of other pages, as if I'm going around vandalizing things. If you'd leave me alone, then everything would be fine. I do NOT vandalize other pages, especially legit pages. If anything, I add, correct, and clean them as per the Wikipedia rules. The one thing I do NOT enjoy is your moving of my comments on your personal talk page (for example) back to my talk page. Is that not also talk page vandalization? I admit, I probably shouldn't have called you a 'douche,' but you took a page I worked on for a decent amount of time and completely rehashed it. That's not the issue, the issue was that you spelled things wrong, left large blanks, and overall just made it look like crap. I simply wanted to imply, if you're going to change it, at least make it look presentable. Since my 'douche' comment, you've been after me, being the 'wikipolice,' and I see that I've not been the only person that has had to deal with you in this manner. Your own talk page speaks volumes. Now, if you just leave me be, I'll leave the legit stuff on my talk page, you can go on doing your business, and this whole mess will be settled. Is that acceptable to you? Bigjake 18:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

This user is adding categories like Category:Hungarian-New Zealanders and Category:Irish Canadians and populating them based on solely the person's name and no other information. I have left a note on their talk page but I note they are listed as a possible sockpuppet of User:70.81.117.175. None of the edits have comments or supporting references. - SimonLyall 13:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to do a mass revert on this. Any objections? --Pjacobi 18:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Support. Without verification, it's all OR. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Done about 250 reverts. But there are about 1000 more to do. Seems to need help by bot. He've done the categorizations faster than 1/min often. This must have been bot/JavaScript assisted. And of course its OR and sometimes total nonsense.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Walter_Dieter&diff=75606647&oldid=63893716

Or we put the categories on TfD and let a bot do the cleanup. But: do have the categories some legitimate content?

Pjacobi 20:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I've just knocked out the balance (502 exactly). --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 02:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted an edit by this user to Human height, FWIW the edit may be valid, I probably would not have reverted had I not seen this thread here recently... but... Pete.Hurd 22:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe that he wasn't asked to stop. I've just reverted several more and deleted several of the categories that he created. And told him to quit. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 19:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

User IrishGuy is repeatedly revising a page to remove material based on a personal grudge with the user that is posting it. The article in quesiton is Joppa, in which I am trying to add a small bullet--no links--concerning the name Joppa. This is not spam, as he keeps insisting. He is also taking this out on the Songs To Wear Pants To article. This article refers to a songwriter. One of his songs is entitled "What is Joppa Anyway?" and it was included in his list of songs on the article. Again, IrishGuy is continuing to remove only this song due to a personal grudge. I will admit that, in the past, I have taken a rather "annoyed" backlash against this user, but knowing the policies better now, I am simply trying to prevent him from "personal grudge" vandalism of pages concerning my edits--which are all legal. Please help. Drdunbar 18:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The above user is spamming Wikipedia with advertising for his site and harassing me personally. This is the fourth time he has requested an admin to come after me for reverting his spamming. His website had an article that was deleted in an AfD. During that time, he sent people from his site to sway the AfD [48], after that AfD the article has been recreated and speedied again twice. This user has repeatedly spammed links to his website in various articles (specifically, articles I created) under his IP address, (examples: [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] etc.) and has continued to attack me an try to send others here from his forum [54]. Unable to spam Wikipedia without it being reverted, he has now taken to doing this. I am being harassed, pure and simple and it is really beginning to annoy me. IrishGuy ^talk 18:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I had already mentioned that my above conduct was due to an outlash against IrishGuy's attack on an article due to personal issues, and not wiki guidelines. I have since refrained from my actions, knowing the policies of this site more clearly. This CURRENT issue has nothing to do with my past behavior. I am simply trying to keep up a couple pages, and he continues to delete anything I put up due to PAST GRUDGES. Nothing I am posting contains any "spam links" or personal promotion by any means. They are legitimate additions to legitimate articles. He continues to accuse me in the eyes of administration of reposting a deleted article, which I have NOT done. You can check the background on that. I didn't even publish the article that was deleted, I was simply there to defend it. He obviously has an issue with me personally, and is using that to remove my posts. I have nowhere else to turn. I really enjoy this site, and IrishGuy is giving it a bad name. I am sorry for that, as well as my past transgressions. Drdunbar 18:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Er, Drdunbar, you claim that you're making legitimate edits and not spamming, but your most recent edits do not fit that description [55], [56]. It's just all stuff about and/or links to this Joppa website. Contrary to popular belief, Wikipedia does not owe random websites free publicity and webhosting. I've looked through the basics of this situation and it seems IrishGuy is in the right. Drdunbar, we'd welcome any positive contributions but doing nothing but promoting your website is not really going to win you friends. --W.marsh 18:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I just don't see what my revisions have anything to do with promotion. There are no "links" at all to my website. I am simply putting up a song title that belongs in the list. If you also look at the history of that page, I did not put it up there to begin with. Another contributor to that page did, and IrishGuy deleted it out of spite. I have been simply trying to revert back from his vandalism. STWPT produced a song for the webiste. I have simply stated that on the article, without links of any means. That is not self-promotion. If you would feel better about another user adding, that's fine. But, I wasn't the original poster to begin with. Drdunbar 18:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Your edits are spam, no matter what you call them, and IrishGuy's edits are perfectly reasonable. I suggest you find a PR firm that you can hire to do your advertising for you. Wikipedia is not the place. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

It's very interesting that these users keep popping up from nowhere all of a sudden, IrishGuy? Hmmm. Not making any accusations here, but they all share a very familiar form of argument--baseless and attacking. TRUST me, Zoe, or whoever you are, I don't need wikipedia to promote anything for Joppa, I've got enough of that all over the web. There's no links or WEBSITES included on my posts. STWPT produced a song for us, along with the OTHER songs on that article. Our song has legitimate cause to be there. End of story. You either delete them all, or leave them all. Sorry, guys, you can throw "spam" at me all you want, but any "real" person that takes a look at it will see otherwise. Drdunbar 18:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Side note I noticed that since these "other users" came out of the wookwork, I've seen a sudden break in IrishGuy's activity on Wikipedia. Again, no accusations here. Just pointing something out. Drdunbar 18:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I guess you're trying to imply that I'm a sockpuppet of IrishGuy. You'll have to try harder. Let me just warn you that what I am, is an admin, and if you continue to spam, you will be blocked. Let's leave it at that. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, if someone, especially an admin, can be me a definition of "spamming" that encompasses what I'm doing, I will be glad to stop. Drdunbar 19:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

See

WP:EL. JoshuaZ

19:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Those guidelines would be very helpful if I a) had external links in my post, or b) was promoting a website. I'm doing neither. Please read the post in question before responding here. I'll keep those rules in mind for the future. Drdunbar 19:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Willy on Wheels hasn't posted since you started this AN/I report, anyone notice that? No accusation, just pointing something out. Perfectly logical, right? :/

Danny Lilithborne

19:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Excellent point. Drdunbar 19:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked Drdunbar for 24 hours for violating 3RR after having been warned. User:Zoe|(talk) 20:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Let that be a warning: never call Zoe a sock puppet, even in jest. ;) -- llywrch 22:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

That wasn't the reason for the block. He was blocked for violating 3RR after having been warned. User:Zoe|(talk) 00:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure he knows that, he was just joking around.--

^BAM!)

00:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I've just blocked the IP 12.151.120.81 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), for a spree of vandalism. Because the IP was caught relatively early, because I couldn't establish a definitive link between this round of vandalism and earlier sprees (although a link with yesterday is very likely), and because it might be a shared IP, I decided to block the IP for only 24 hours. Jaysweet (talk · contribs) has come up to me, saying that this IP will immediately resort to vandalism when the block has expired. I'm inclined to believe him, but I don't wanna take any action on this without consulting my fellow admins and friends first. Does this IP block need to be extended? Aecis ^{Appleknocker Flophouse} 19:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Leave it as it is, and if the vandal returns promptly after the block expires, block for 2 days, 4, etc. Essentially you're probing to see how long the ISP in question leases that IP to the specific person. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I would say extend to a month at least, anon-only and account creation disabled, as the IP came back after a 2 week block. There are clear patterns in the contributions, for example from

Martin Luther King, Jr. in August to Jay-Z a few days ago and Ice cube yesterday (on the object, but referring to the rapper) and today. Regardless, there are no particularly positive edits that I can see, and if someone else does try to use the IP the instructions given in Mediawiki:Blockedtext are comprehensive. --Sam Blanning^(talk)

19:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

To clarify, the fact that the user has vandalised one article over a month apart (Ian Williams) indicates that the user isn't switching IPs. The only question that remains is whether others are using the IP, and it doesn't look like it. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 19:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Finlay -- the escalation has already occured, peeking with a two week block (which happened exactly two weeks ago, by the way ;p ). One thing I mentioned to Aecis that I find particularly of concern is that this isn't light-hearted Colbert-esque vandalism, these are nasty racist attacks. It's harder to laugh it off. Anyway, thanks to all the admins here for looking at this issue. I appreciate it! --Jaysweet 21:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The IP belongs to the Metropolitan Museum of Art; I don't see much risk of collateral damage and endorse a longer block. Mackensen (talk) 21:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP for three months. The chances that I've denied us a featured article or two by my block are sufficiently close to minus zero. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 01:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

This user has been involved in a POV edit war on Sweetest Day (see this entry in the archive). Today he created on Commons an page identical to his userfied version (User:Miracleimpulse/The Sweetest Day Hoax) - at Commons:The Sweetest Day Hoax. This was soon deleted off Commons as inappropriate. This was mistakenly copied back to en at The Sweetest Day Hoax, and was deleted again off Wikipedia when the mistake was realised. The user has since recreated it again on Commons, this time at Commons:User:Miracleimpulse. Considering the fact he has been blocked on Wikipedia for disruption related to this article, it seems appropriate to bring it up here.--Commons:User:Nilfanion/Nilfanion (talk) 20:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Umm... *waves* You can blame me. I made the suggestion that, if they met Commons policies, the images he keeps trying to add to the Sweetest Day article might be better in Commons; apparently he took this as an invitation to move the entire thing to Commons, which wasn't my intention at all. I've been trying to find a diplomatic way of handling this user, who appears to have an unhealthy obsession with Sweetest Day - he has outright accused myself and others of being shills for the industry, and suggested that Sweetest Day causes terrorism, which doesn't break any policies but is a sign of this editor's preoccupation with a Hallmark Holiday. All of his contributions have been either to the Sweetest Day page, user talk pages, or inserting information about Sweetest Day into other articles. He's even made a YouTube video about the matter, linked at Commons- oh, and now that I've checked, apparently linked from the Sweetest Day page here on EN, along with the user's homepage. Anyway, I just wanted to clarify that some of this may be due to an honest misunderstanding, possibly enhanced by an unhealthy obsession with the topic. Captainktainer * Talk 11:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Arthur Ellis has recently been removing large portions of Rachel Marsden, as he does from time to time. Yesterday, after Ellis had reverted for the second time, a new user Craigleithian appeared, performing much the same edits as Ellis -- namely, removing sections that contained sourced and verifiable information that did not reflect well on the article's subject. 3 of Craigleithian's 4 edits are wholesale removal of material from the Marden article. Suspect that this may be a sock to circumvent 3RR.

Craiglethian's edits: [57] [58] [59] [60] Ellis's edits in that time frame: [61] [62] [63] [64]

An admin may wish to check this out. Ianking 00:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks pretty obvious to me, but a checkuser request has been filed just in case.

Thatcher131

02:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, quite. Mackensen (talk) 03:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser case showed positive. He has now been blocked per the report on

Konstable

USer Randazzo56 has been vandalizing both the Henry Ford and the Talk:Henry Ford articles with nasty vulgarisms and Holocaust denial. Rjensen 02:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually I think Rjensen's descripion of this editor's activities is understated. User:Randazzo56's vandalism of Henry Ford and the talk page has been blatant. [65] [66] [67]. He then inserted anti-Semitic remarks into Rjensen's comments on the talk page. [68] and made obscene remarks.

This editor has been previously blocked for one month for vandalism. I think an indefinite block is warranted. --Mantanmoreland 15:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Under the terms of his probation in the arbitration case Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Messhermit, I have banned Messhermit from editing Alberto Fujimori, which he has disrupted by edit warring. --Tony Sidaway 20:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding this user, he has been edit-warring on

WP:AGF

. The talk page diff is below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3A2006_Malegaon_blasts&diff=75792345&oldid=75749909 Hkelkar 00:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Huh. It looks like you missed this update:

Eh? I have not declared that I will violate the rules! I am trying hard not to. I gave you an opportunity to make your case, while leaving it in your preferred version! How is that a violation? Instead of putting an NPOV tag on it, try and work it out here. [69] --Calton | Talk 01:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Hornplease also has vandalized many talk pages citing BLP even when comments were not aimed at the BLP, but their work (which usually has a criticism section)[70] [71]. Also, has a very obvious problem with Hindu related articles, as seen with this deletionist harrassment on this AfD [72].Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any intention to violate wikipedia rules here. BhaiSaab ^talk 01:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Please elaborate. He expressly stated that he will 1.Cease AGF and 2.Continue edit-warring. That's 2 declarations of policy violation.I have seen users who have been indefbanned for less.Hkelkar 23:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

See section below, a somewhat misguided contributor is the victim of a witch-hunt.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that blocking someone appropriately per

WP:BP was called a "witch-hunt" now -- Samir धर्म

04:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I guess asking for fairness didnt work. I'm perturbed by double standards, and merely was asking for fairness.Bakaman _Bakatalk

Then please say what you mean to say. Calling an administrative action against a user who is trolling a "witch-hunt" is not appropriate -- Samir धर्म 11:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I am quite disappointed that what I thought was a invitation for an editor with a questionable history regarding POV to lay out the reasons for his attempts at ownership of a high-profile article was misunderstood by the editor in question. I think my actions speak for themselves at this point, though I am available for any clarification if necessary. I admit that henceforth I will look with a somewhat more jaundiced eye at the contributions of the editor who - in the kindest of interpretations - misunderstood my comments enough to report them here, but as far as I know that's not a violation of policy. Also, I am not sure that making the point repeatedly on an AfD that the Gujarat Administrative Servxs is not the same as the IAS is a symptom of an 'obvious problem with Hindu related articles". Hornplease 13:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Xizer (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) has been attacking other users through edit summaries as seen on Straight Outta Lynwood and Lazytown. He has been warned on his talk page multiple times but continues the offending behavior. -- Michael Greiner 03:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, if you're going to report someone, you should at least get their name right. And you don't warn someone and then go report them for that same incident saying they're continuing to use the behavior you warned them about. Perhaps you could show me where I attacked other users after you edited my talk page? I'm not seeing it. "Continuing" my ass. And two doesn't really qualify as "multiple times." Well, I guess it does, but once could also qualify considering the fact that 1 is also a multiple. Xizer 03:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Tone it down a little please, Xizer. -- Samir धर्म 04:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reason this user has not been banned? He's clearly not interested in contributing productively.--

T

04:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 24 hours for now, we'll have to wait and see if he can hopefully cool down. // Pilotguy (Have your say) 05:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Has anybody checked Xizer's block log? He has been involved in blatant racist vandalism in the past, and has been blocked repeatedly, only to keep claiming to reform. I propose an indefinite block. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Culverin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was blocked for a mere 24 hours for his hideous use of sockpuppets to make edits like this personal attack using an offensive username,this personal attack with impersonation using my signature, and this impersonation on one of my friends' user talk pages, intending to cause harm to Dfrg.msc by saying that "I" don't care about improving an article we're currently collaborating on at present. These users were proven to be Culverin's sockpuppets at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Culverin, and were all blocked indefinately.

I feel that 24 hours is not long enough a block for this violations of

If this is not warranted, at least the abusive sockpuppet confirmed tag should be added to his userpage for an extended period (1 month or so), as he took it down the moment he was unblocked, meaning it only lasted just over 24 hours. I was willing to forget and forgive, but actions like these show his lack of remorse, where he failed to apologise and move on, but instead just remove the post without even responding to it. All this from an "established editor on Wikipedia", who knew the rules, and thoughthe could get around them.

On a quick check of the links provided by the {{vandal|username}} template at the start of this message, I see that Glen has dealt with it. Thanks!

Bryant

07:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

See User_talk:Culverin#You_have_been_blocked and his block log - should be fairly self-explanatory - Glen 10:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

This user was originally the banned user Tonetare who was banned for leaving abusive messages on my page and a number of others (I'm not quite sure why he's allowed to edit now but that's an admin thing). That was the past and it's fine someone get's a second chance. However his pattern of behaviour seems to have carried over into his new username. we have him striving for me to leave wikipedia. Then we have a situation where he tells another editor that it's sweet that he got him to quit editing an article and so on.

I would have never realised that he had actually rejoined Wikipedia except one of his first moves was to turn up on my page and berate me for removing german commerical linkspam from the english golfpage (a page he's never edited but one he seems to have picked out of thin air as an example of my "rude" editing). His MO seems to be abuse and then if he drops in the odd "gee sorry" and then carries on as before, then everything is fine. I'm getting a little tired of it. I'm also more concerned about the low-quality like this. I could explain to him as before why that sort of edit does not below in an encylopdia, but if he could never grasp why "smack-talking bitches" does not belong in an encylopedia, why is he going to get this? --

Some also needs to explain WP:Own with him, as per this edit and this one

--

I'm on it. El_C 13:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I imposed a 24-hour block in light of the user's threatening response on my talk page. ^[73] El_C 20:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

This user and me are good friends and he was User:Tonetare and was blocked by Tryenius only because he was going to use a different IP in the future as seen in the block log. Tryenius had no reason to block him at all unless he was doing something else. He came back as Taretone, and promised only to talk to me, and otherwise wasn't going to be here. That's a brief little thing about his first block etc. Sugarpine^t 20:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Please urge the user to adhere to policy. I was unaware of there being a first block. El_C 20:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I just asked him not to make any more NPA. However, Tryenius had NO right to block him because he said he was going to use another IP in the future. I am getting a little annoyed with Tryenius also. I am asking him to adhere to policy though. Sugarpine^t 20:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I am sick and tired of disputes between Tryenius, Tonetare, and Charlesknight and I want it over NOW. I think the best way to handle this is mediation or arbitration. Any comments? Sugarpine^t 20:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Tonetare was blocked for a week for personal abuse, extended to 2 weeks for continuing extreme abusive behaviour, which is on the talk page under his former name as User:TareTone. He sometimes edits as User:65.31.100.170. He has only just returned from the block and unfortunately has continued to show frequent aggressive behaviour. Tyrenius 21:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

That's of course why you unblocked him to extend the block to indef. Sugarpine^t 21:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)