Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive530

Resolved

 – thanks Nishkid64

Could a CU contact me via email concerning [1], please? Acroterion _(talk) 19:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

A relatively new user started what appears to be a good faith, but ad hoc Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stanley Armour Dunham without any proper notifications or listings other than the tag on the article page. Can someone straighten this out and let him know how to proceed? Thanks. Tvoz/talk 19:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not clear on what admin action you'd like. Seems like anyone can drop the user a friendly note with helpful advice.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:01, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Already done. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Ricky. Since I disagree with the nominator on the matter I thought it was better for someone uninvolved to fix it. Tvoz/talk 21:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey. I started editing on this page after giving a

• support banning Julcal as advertising only account. His activities extent to other articles, e.g. [Benign paroxysmal positional vertigo]. in contrast, I see only 1 edit of Studio34 on the article, but similar good reversions of spam elsewhere. Her editing shows she is following a subject, not an editor. I notified Julcal and Studioi 34 of this discussion, as seems only fair. DGG (talk) 16:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Agree with DGG. This user has at least two problems:
  WP:BATTLE. [2] and [3] are evidence of seriously disruptive tendencies. Guy (Help!
  ) 17:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• I don't understand why my page is a conflict of interests. It only talks about MAV. I originally posted a support section at the bottom with a link to my forum (which has no indirect or direct link to my business) because the way I found my first MAV forum was through an external link on Wikipedia to Studio34's forum. Regarding the battling, Studio34 provoked me by accusing me of being a "known spammer." And as HelloAnnyong says, he keeps harassing me.--Julcal (talk) 17:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)julcal

  Quick note: unless you are refereing to something else I don't see, it's not "your page". It's an article on Wikipedia and that is a direct violation of WP:OWN. Padillah (talk) 18:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• I don't see the COI here either. It might have been there in the first revisions, but as of right now it's nothing more than an artice about a medical condition. I don't know if only admins have a vote here, but I don't see a reason for a ban. -- Aeluwas (talk) 17:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  • As best as I can tell, the COI exists because Julcal is somehow involved with the subject of the article by being the host of a forum aimed at selling products for the disease. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 18:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
    • The forum is not for selling any product. It is a support forum for sufferers of MAV. Have you seen the forum? [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Julcal (talk • contribs) 19:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Sure, but as long as the article remains encyclopaedic, I don't see the problem. It's a very real disease, and it ought to have an article (Ménière's disease is far less prevalent than MAV yet has had an article for a long time). Julcal created the page to fill that void, and while there was a COI at the start, there isn't now. -- Aeluwas (talk) 18:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
      • The problem doesn't exist with the article, but the link that was added to the article by the user. It was certainly an advertisement for his forum.
        Talk
        18:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
        • I agree that I broke a rule, unknowingly, by adding an external link to a forum. But the forum has nothing to do with selling a product. It's simply a support forum for MAV sufferers and does not link directly nor indirectly to any product. I found my first MAV forum through an external link on Wikipedia. The link was removed in less than 24 hours of publication. Regarding the battling, as HelloAnnyong points out in her opening statement, Studio34 "keeps harassing me." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Julcal (talk • contribs) 19:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
          • His statement, than you. And I only wrote that because you repeatedly wrote it. Can you give us some information on how you feel as if you're being stalked? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 19:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
            • I can. "S" Googles me to death, (I know that because he posts on his own forum all of the places I have an internet presence.) He watches my forum closely, follows the links I post to my members where they can find more information on MAV and related disorders. (This article being one of them). I have an internet presence on many sites where you can post comments. (I'd rather not point them out by name, so as not to give him more info) Whenever "S" can find me, he degrades me, I have to watch very closely just to delete his posts. You're probably wondering how I know it's him. He only has "one joke."--Julcal (talk) 20:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)julcal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Julcal (talk • contribs) 19:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• I agree with the comments above about COI and disruptive editing and think that a block is certainly in order.
  Talk
  18:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I have taken another look through the history, and i do not feel the amount of advertising warrant an actual ban, just a clear warning. The link to the user's commercial site for a remedy against this syndrome was extremely indirect. But I note that the forum linked to seemed inappropriate, as it is quite small and not a major resource. I do hope there's something better. DGG (talk) 20:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
    • As things have settled down I don't think a block seems to be warranted at this point. I'll post a formal warning on Julcal's talk page and that should do it. Shall we call it settled at this point?
      Talk
      21:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Thanks for looking at my forum! It's only been live for a week. I have 9 members already so that's not too bad. I also have a lot of knowlege about the condition and a lot to give to people. The forum will grow. Thanks again for looking at it! --Julcal (talk) 20:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)julcal

that illustrates the rationale for our rule about not using Wikipedia for promotion. We link top what is a significant resource, not to what someone hopes will become one. DGG (talk) 20:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, I expected you would say that and I understand completely. An unfortunate misunderstanding of rules. As I said, I found my first MAV forum, Studio34's forum, through an external link on Wikipedia. It's hard, the first time doing an article, at age 55, to retain all the rules in my head. I wrote the page to fill a void. There are articles on virtually all the other dizzy illnesses, but none on MAV. Whether or not I will be allowed to be involved in it, I will be feel good about putting it out there. I hope it turns out to be a great article someday. MAV sufferers need it - badly. This is a wicked illness.--Julcal (talk) 21:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)julcal

• My only problem with Julcal was an external link she had inserted into the Migraine Associated Vertigo (MAV), the BPPV, and the Meniere's article. In all cases the link pointed to her forum. She is involved in an MLM company called Enzacta selling an expensive bogus product she claims cures dizziness with numerous links pointing to the sales site from the forum. It is a conflict of interest and it's spam. I simply left a comment in the discussion over at the MAV article asking members to keep a watch for any newly inserted outbound links to her sites. Apparently my editing out the links and changing her "support" title to "migraine link" in two of the articles constitutes "cyberstalking" in her eyes. This is absurd. The above comments about "Googling her to death" etc are complete nonsense.studio34 (talk) 21:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  • on the forum, http://mav-forum.com/, there's the text: "This is a link to a Wiki article I wrote on MAV. " You may say what you please outside Wikipedia, of course, but it does give a false impression. I've removed the resolved label on this section, because there are continuing copyright concerns: much of the text of the article is a copy of that. DGG (talk) 22:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Is there enough justification to ban Julcal for that? This article probably shouldn't be deleted since it is an actual disease; it just needs to be heavily rewritten. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 22:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
      • Yes, the article should definitely remain; it is a real and disabling illness. Is there justification for banning Julcal? I believe so. Although she states "I don't understand why my page is a conflict of interest" and "The forum is not for selling any product", she clearly states the following on the Migraine-associated Migraine discussion board: "I actually don't mind the free advertising. My website is great and it's a great product." Does anyone need any more evidence than that?studio34 (talk) 23:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
      • why was Julcal not at least given a formal warning? The evidence is clear yet I see no warning on her discussion page. studio34 (talk) 07:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Vandalism has since been reverted. Nothing much to be done. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 22:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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This material that is posted here is very vulgar and obscene and i find very offensive and this should be looked into. There are children who come on this site to look things up for school and they shouldnt have to see this kind of nasty language posted. i think this person should be blocked and not allowed back on wikepedia.com for this purpose of the vulgar and nasty language. I cant even come on here to do research because of the nastiness that i just saw and i sure wouldnt want my children seeing this kind of stuff.

Thanks Alysah —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alysah (talk • contribs)

• Though Wikipedia is
  vandalism. That particular bit of vandalism was removed within a minute of its going up, so I'm not exactly sure why you're seeing this. --Dynaflow babble
  22:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• That version is 3 months old and has been fixed many times over. How did you even find it? It also was by an anonymous IP user, not an identifiable person. Encountering material like that is a risk you run in any open forum anywhere. As long as we want to keep Wikipedia open, there is nothing we can do about this. You have to weight the benefit you gain from any form of research versus the risks to encounter unpleasant material. That's a personal decision. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 22:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Anyone else find it odd that a brand new user's (

talk

) 22:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

(ecx3)Very odd. The style - upright clean-living and outraged mom who doesn't know WP very well protecting her children - is all too reminiscent of one of the avatars of a certain sockpuppeteer, recently banned for 18 months (with their IP blocked for 6). As that IP is blocked there's no point in a CU, though. Tonywalton ^Talk 22:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Not really. (Wait, now that I think about it)... It's a valid concern, and there isn't much discussion of readers going through the history, anywho.

← A quick digression, for Alysah: if the

This brand new user with not a single edit to their credit was so offended that they figured out where the highest traffic place on Wikipedia was, made a beeline for it and reproduced the offending material in full -- then didn't stick around 5 minutes to see how it was handled. I'm reminded of the old lady who complains the couple across the alley are engaging in "lewd" acts, for all the world to see in front of their window. She calls the cops. They come into her home and look out the window -- and see nothing. "You can't see them from here, they say. "Well, you can if you push that chest over by the window and stand on top of it, she says.

talk

) 22:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I lol'd. I just feel obliged to tell you that.

Xavexgoem (talk

) 22:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Ta.

talk

) 22:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Blocked, Tiptoety ^talk 23:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I

 Done Tiptoety ^talk 23:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Blimey, that was fast! Many thanks,

propaganda_deeds

23:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – user got blocked for threatening to vandalise articles.

Spartaz ^Humbug!

08:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Unresolved

Subpaged to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Jack Merridew-A Nobody due to size issues and for proper recording to polls by MBisanz ^talk 09:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

"grapheus" is a well-known usenet troll who made an appearance at Phaistos Disc in 2006 and ended up permabanned over trying to cause real-life difficulties for another editor. This chap can be extremely tenacious, and is known to have pressed legal charges against other usenet users over flamewars. He is now back with a vengeance and appears to have picked me as his new arch-nemesis.[8] He is using Luxembourg IPs, and the only way to keep him under the lid is issuing short rangeblocks to his provider. I would be obliged if some admins could keep an eye on

Also making attacks off-Wiki, which is no surprise. [9] and [10].

talk

) 06:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Sheesh, someone needs to get a life -- & to belabor the obvious I am not talking about Dab or Dougweller. -- llywrch (talk) 05:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Help please in dealing with childish, disruptive behavior by Tennis expert (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

As many of you know, there has been an ArbCom proceeding on date linking and date autoformatting here at Wikipedia:Date formatting and linking poll.

Throughout the course of this, I and the other members of our group have maintained a page in my userspace here at User:Greg_L/Delinking links. I’ve had to provide a historical link because here is what the article looks like now: User:Greg_L/Delinking links

User:Tennis expert started doing malicious edits on my personal userspace page (see Revision history).

As you can see, my Wikifriends (other editors who are members of a team on de-linking), reverted him numerous times. Tennis Expert editwarred with them and ignored them. All this occurred when I wasn’t aware of it. Finally members who were trying to restore the page to the way we wanted e-mailed me to alert me that this was occurring on my own userspace subpage.

I informed Tennis expert here on his talk page that his edits were not welcome in my userspace. His response was as follows: OK. I will pursue rapid deletion of your biased subpage.

And he carried through with his petty threat here: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Greg L/Delinking links. As you can see, many editors have patiently started jumping through the hoops to do a good-faith effort at opposing this disruption. It is a colossal waste of everyone’s time and we shouldn’t have had to do this since what Tennis expert did was not in good faith.

This subpage in my userspace is a list of links pertaining to date linking and autoformatting. There were so many relevant sites that we couldn’t keep them all straight in our heads. So I started this page and my friends on our team added to it. It has been a valuable resource. It is not supposed to be “unbiased” or “biased” or whatever Tennis expert desires. It is a resource we have and continue to use.

Tennis expert’s move is just mean-spirited disruption. I ask that he be blocked for this move. He knows full well what he is doing. Greg L (talk) 18:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I've snowballed the MfD and warned TE, please let me or any admin know if he does something like this again. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Gwen. I think a trout would achieve more than a block at this, um, point. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 18:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks Gwen. You and I both know that what TE did was malicious and intentional and he knew better. Please take a look at all the time wasted by good-faith editors trying to deal with this disruption. This stunt was pure, unadulterated, purposeful disruption. Tennis expert deserves much more than a warning for this. Greg L (talk) 18:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I came so close to blocking him for 12-24 hours. I've banned him from your user space (until you say it's ok for him to edit there, if ever) owing to the disruption, he's now been warned, let us know if he tries to

game things again. Gwen Gale (talk

) 18:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Sure, it looked like a handy page of links, until you get to the bottom sections, when it starts to resemble an open ended evidence gathering exercise against multiple users, which I am quite sure violates WP:USER. As for Greg now giving the impression he has taken the collation of that sekrit info off site, for the purposes of coordination and collaboration with a

• It wasn’t moved off of Wikipedia. The site is a pure resource that is a writing aid for the benefit of editors who have a common objective. It is in my userspace. I moved it to another location in Wikipedia userspace where TE can’t find it but where it is still in my userspace. Without going into details, everything I’ve done is in accordance with Wikipedia policy. It is unfortunate that TE’s stunt required this. It’s the first time I had to resort to it. Greg L (talk) 19:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• P.S. Had TE thought strategically, his group would have created their own page with similar links to facilitate their efforts in promoting date linking and autoformatting. I doubt it would have helped, since the community was dead-set against both practices. But the efforts of the pro-linking crowd would have been better coordinated. Better yet, TE (or “they”) could have simply used my page as a resource for them to use rather than duplicate it. As far as I know, it would have been in accordance for TE to have done a wholesale copy of my entire page and modified it in his userspace as he saw fit to better serve their objectives. Or he could have transcluded my page into his userspace to serve as a resource. I put it right out in the open in my userspace and all those on our team edited it while still logged in. The page was easy to discover and was available for all to use equally once discovered. Instead, TE saw fit to simply vandalize it. That was tantamount to spray painting graffiti on a store font. Now the page is history. Greg L (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• • Or you could drop the whole battleground mentality and making a fuss about 'your pages' (they aren't yours, you are just given the privelage of using them for activities that benefit the pedia, which hopefully dovetail with the interests of you and your 'wikifriends'). I personaly cannot see what justification there is for maintaining 'handy links' to multiple other users block logs. Are you actually saying these are hard to find? Open ended evidence collection is a violation of WP:USER, period. Talking in terms of off site coordination against other users is definitely a violation. MickMacNee (talk) 19:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Quoting you: Or you could drop the whole battleground mentality. Look who’s talking? I’m done here with you. Try looking at the MfD results. Are you seeing a pattern where anyone went to Tennis expert’s defense for this stunt? I’m sure plenty of people can Wikilawyer until the cows come home as to how some of the links on that (now hidden) page were offensive to someone. Get over it. The site was a very valuable resource used in the promotion of new policies that have now been adopted through consensus by the community. All this effort was necessary because a certain few editors insisted it on having their way and Wikilawyered about how prior RfCs (which were landslides) were flawed and weren’t a true measure of the community’s views.

  And I don’t need you to remind me that no one “owns” their pages. Who do you think you’re talking to? Do you think I just fell of a turnip truck? You don’t own your page either. And you and I both know there are certain permitted practices depending on whether content is in userspace or articlespace. Very different policies and practices. I will no longer respond to you. It’s over. It’s all over. Goodbye and happy editing. Greg L (talk) 20:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• • Greg chose to say at the MfD, "P.S. Tennis Expert: I’ve created a duplicate page in a place you will never, ever find. Only my Wikifriends know where to look for it. And they have all been instructed to not edit it unless logged out. It is unfortunate we have to go to these lengths to circumvent your vandalism and disruption to Wikipedia. I’ll be addressing this soon. I suggest you show some contrition at this point and apologize for being a pain in the ass and wasting other editor’s good-faith time trying to deal with your childishness. And, for the record: YOU do not have permission to edit in my userspace. Only my Wikifriends have such privileges and you ain’t one of my Wikifriends. Comprender? " I do not find this helpful, especially the point on advising editing by what amount to special purpose socks. DGG (talk) 20:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
    • User:Rimisherim. Didn't break a sweat. --Kbdank71 20:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Well, thank you very much. That is most helpful. Thanks for your help to make Wikipedia a better, less stressful, less vandalized place. Keep up the good work, Kbdank71. Greg L (talk) 20:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Greg L asked me to delete both pages, which I have done. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• TE didn’t even get blocked for his purposeful disruption. So I utterly reject your kooky notion of what you thin isn’t “helpful.” It’s pretty unfortunate that I had to do this, but it is entirely TE’s making. He couldn’t leave it alone where it was available to all. So it’s in a place where he can’t vandalize it anymore. Simple as that. Since he hasn’t been blocked, I trust him as far as I can drool. And I am busy in real life working on a medical implant. I’ve already wasted enough time this morning on this horsecrap. I won’t leave myself vulnerable to one more spec of this crap. As for “socks” I suggest you know what you are talking about before you make a fallacious accusation. I don’t use separate accounts for sock puppetry purposes. I use the other account for writing lengthy posts where I can make lots and lots of saves and not have it fill up my Greg L account with a ridiculous amount of history. I will no longer respond to you either. Goodbye. Greg L (talk) 20:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• As I understood it, unless you have a genuine fear of TE harassing or outing you, there is no excuse for using alternate accounts like Rimisherim to segregate edits. And if you are using said account merely for administrative convenvience, it requires identification with your main account, so that posts like this are not confusing to others. MickMacNee (talk) 20:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Can I suggest, now that Greg has recreated the page at the same title, that it instead be undeleted properly, because the ANI discussion above and Mfd, and any talk page discussions, now make no sense to any observer, as it all refers to deleted page revisions. MickMacNee (talk) 20:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

All of you have just witnessed a small sample of the vicious back-&-forth that has come to characterize the discussion around Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Date delinking. It has gotten to the point where one can only conclude that Ryan Postlethwaite has the patience of a saint, & wonder why we can't simply lock all of the participants in a room where they can kill each other & leave the rest of us alone to write an encyclopedia. (And if I'm included as one of the participants, I'll galdly submit to a lengthy ban just to purge this poisonous interaction from Wikipedia.) -- llywrch (talk) 06:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

we would have the typical dilemma, of needing to bury the bodies. But it appears that some aspects of the poll may be decisive. Those who do not accept the outcome, whatever it may be, then your suggestion might be worth the messy cleanup. DGG (talk) 07:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

Englishprince (talk · contribs) is posing as an admin and has been asking for and apparaently getting passwords from other new users. I am off to warn the people he has conned, but wanted to give a heads up. Should the compromised accounts be blocked? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, I have indef blocked Englishprince for now. Despite the more extensive list on Ep's talk page, he only asked for passwords on three accounts and only one was fooled: Daffodils333 (talk · contribs). Daffodils333 has been a vandalism only account, but claims to have had a change of heart. I would be fine with blocking it too, but would like to hear what others think fist. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Definitely. I'm wondering if it wasn't his sock, the "apology" sounding somewhat over the top. yandman 13:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I think I agree with Yandman. Is it a coincidence that Daffodil vandalised Prince Philip, and EnglishPrince asked for passwords? I wonder if Daffodils333 'gave' his password out so that others would see that it had been done, and think it was OK? --GedUK  13:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it looked like quite a coincidence that most of the others on the list were indef blocked users from the past few months, and the one truly "duped" editor has such a strange history as well. I AGF'ed in my actions so far, but if people want to block daffodil as well and/or checkuser EnglishPrince to see if there is any connection with some of the other named editors, I have no objections.

Fram (talk

) 13:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

In the interim, again under AGF, I have fully suppressed the edits that revealed the purported password as a security measure. I too have some overall concerns here related to trolling. Risker (talk) 13:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to Fram and Risker. I already am watching Daffodil and had had the same sock suspiscions. I will indef block as a vandalsim only account at the next such edit. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Since Englishprince got lucky once, I would imagine they will be back to try again. -- The Anome (talk) 14:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

As a Good Faith gesture, here's my password: ****** Does that show up properly? I can't tell. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 17:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

My password is hunter2. JoshuaZ (talk) 21:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow, who knew that Bugs and I would have the exact same password!!! (

talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track

) 09:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

My password is the same as the combination on my luggage. MuZemike 12:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

You're all heretics. The One True Password is Ken sent me. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 12:20, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm using the frequency that I finally got Ken to divulge. Deor (talk) 12:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Would someone please remind me what I'm doing wrong in editing lately? Don't hold back; let me know exactly what I've been doing wrong. Besides getting involved in the wrong side of discussions with Doncram (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and doxTxob (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and Orlady (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log), and mistakenly starting a discussion about featured list status for National Register of Historic Places listings in Hennepin County, Minnesota (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), what the hell else am I doing so wrong around here?

Is it even useful for me to be contributing to this stupid encyclopedia any more? Does anyone even care about a bunch of useless historic buildings? DoxTxob (talk · contribs) doesn't think so. In fact, Doxtxob was quite glad that I lost admin status in January and is still seeking further punishment against me. I'm not sure even what else he's hoping to have done, unless he wants to see me blocked and/or banned. (See this discussion.) --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 05:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean! (I love that title.) --Orlady (talk) 05:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

If it's got to the point where you're questioning the validity of the subjects you're interested in then you need to take a break. Go watch some bad movies, listen to some decent music, eat something not entirely low in fat/salt/sugar/taste and/or go for a walk, preferably with a personal music player to keep you in rhythm. You will be extremely hard pushed to find any subject which is suitable for Wikipedia that nobody is interested in. So it might not be flavour of the month, so what, this isn't an intellectual popularity contest. Sharing your interests with others should be a pleasant experience, until it is again take some time off. Someoneanother 06:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Elkman, chances are quite good that you have done nothing wrong. Except maybe caring too much in a place where doing that will get you nothing but WikiBurnout & heartburn. (I suspect the first person to encounter WikiBurnout is Larry Sanger, & his latest actions are proof that he still hasn't recovered from it. But wouldn't be the last.) Follow Someone another's advice -- take a break from this infuriating hobby. It's not worth the aggravation -- or the heartburn. -- llywrch (talk) 06:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Chill man. If you're telling the truth and you genuinely think you've done nothing wrong, you probably haven't done anything wrong. If those users are deliberately stirring up trouble, they'll be seen to in due course... C.U.T.K.D ^{T | C} 09:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Just relax and spend a few days looking at what real life is like (if that helps). The worst will soon be over. A very small number of people are panicking because an editor who tends to agree with global consensus more often than with their local consensus is running for adminship. But Orlady's RfA has only 3 hours left. If the situation doesn't improve afterwards, we will need a few user RfCs. --Hans Adler (talk) 12:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

This editor posted a personal attack at

Can you email links and email copies to me via my user email link? I'll investigate. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Sent. Thanks. --

talk · contribs

) 01:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Received and reviewed. Not the worst off wiki harrassment I have seen but not great behavior. Warning left on Norse Am Legend (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) talk page. Hopefully this is the last we have to do about it. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Apparently, he still thinks he is justified because "she's worse then I am."[14] --Farix (Talk) 03:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Please don't twist and simplify my words. She's not "worse than I am", we're very different people with incomparable "issues". - Norse Am Legend (talk) 04:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I realize this diff has already been posted, but I feel the need to note a few particular sentences: Hell, maybe she's just secretly the most devoted and effective Internet troll ever not to mention: She deserved all two words of that amazing insult on her character I made. Someone please block this user, they have made it blatantly clear they don't care about our

WP:NPA policy. Responding to a warning against insults with an insult? As I said above, there is no signs he's going to stop, or even sees what is wrong with his off-wiki-harassment.— Dædαlus ^Contribs

05:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I gotta agree. A block is the best way to go here, as it seems the user's behavior isn't going to change. - NeutralHomer • Talk • April 14, 2009 @ 05:33

Final warning left. AGF that it will be taken as intended. If not, the rope's out as far as it should go, I think.

I have no idea and no opinion on the wider question raised, of whether Collectonian needs to be looked at. Someone else may want to review. One example given was 6 months old and stale - if there's anything newer someone may want to follow up there. But even if there is, Norse Am Legend is responsible for his actions. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 08:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

To be clear, I don't intend on "continuing" anything. It's true I'm often disgruntled by the actions of my peers here, but being the intelligent and rational person that I am I just brush it off and go do something else. Really, other than my handful of small-time conflicts with Collectonian I'm an unobtrusive, constructive editor(a fact that seems to have been overlooked in favor of making me appear as a raging troll with NPA issues 100% of the time). Hell, I don't even hold any such immature, moral grudges against her as you might expect. She works hard and is fairly competent at what she does, the only issues I have with her are of her attitude used when socializing and cooperating with other users, and after seeing another all-too-familiar discussion involving her on an article's talk page I got a little too annoyed and flew off the handle a bit, something I don't intend on doing again since it really is just a pointless course of action. Now if you guys don't mind, I'd like to continue my "Wikignoming" in peace. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 19:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Your "intelligent and rational" bits don't seem valid here when there's off-site harassment as outlined above. If you take your own advice, there's no issue. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 21:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

There's a slew of very bizarre new user names showing up on the log, including this one. Lots of non-Camel Case names like

Eh, I say let them start screwing around before we act. Might be something silly like a bunch of kids in school coming up with names. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Um, I don't really see anything bizarre about the username Light my fire, light my fire :S C.U.T.K.D ^{T | C} 09:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought that was pretty innocuous (a José Feliciano fan?), but I also notice another admin has blocked them as a sock.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 14:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The "Light my fire" is a vandal creating sleeper accounts, I don't know if the "Cullen" usernames are sockpuppets of anyone although one has made this edit which I've reverted as it looks like vandalism. —Snigbrook 18:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D}

This editor has some serious civility issues, and refuses to follow various core MoS guidelines, he has been warned more than a handful of times on his talk page, yet he still continues to edit in the same vein. He does have a history (and a block) for edit warring regarding his interpretation of the MoS, but no longer seems to war on the same scale. I have compiled a few diffs below to illustrate my points.

Civility issues: blatant inappropriate sarcasm, inappropriate comments, biting another editor, inappropriate sarcasm, more inappropriate sarcasm, attack towards other editors, attack towards myself

Not adhering to the MoS despite many warnings from several users including yourself: [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]

A block may probably inappropriate at this point, but how long should an editor be allowed to be so subtly disruptive before some form of action is taken?

Not very long, at least. I'll gently leave a note. Nothing to make one quake in their boots, as it isn't anything too bad; and to be fair, you've returned the sarcastic manner a few times. See his talk page for more, I guess. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 14:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I do apologise for my replies, with hindsight it probably wasn't the best way to handle things, I should have really noted something here sooner rather than reply as I did.

Talk

14:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I just hope you can work things out without things becoming messy. Let me know if you need anything else! :) Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 15:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Indef blocked for

Sk8er5000 (talk

) 22:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Need a little help on this post. An employee from WSLK Radio has made a legal threat via a new account. Since legal threats are frowned upon, could the appropriate action be taken, please? Thanks....NeutralHomer • Talk • April 15, 2009 @ 20:50

• Indef. A clear enough threat. No strong opinion on the background content dispute, though I note that the article doesn't seem to have any real sources beyond the station's own website. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 21:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

I think an admin needs to investigate these diffs [20] [21] [22].

It is a comment made by a user who claims to be Grawp, but I'm not sure who the user is though, if it is a user. Can somebody please investigate? Given the diffs, it seems to me like a case of

Already blocked. Tiptoety ^talk 23:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Just

WP:DENY. No reason to investigate such blatant cases in any way. SoWhy

23:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

We are, but the socks are flying in from every which way. Poor NawlinWiki is, as usual, their target as am I to a lesser degree. Could someone give me a hand on the user creation log page? I can't stay online much longer. --

talk

) 00:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Blocked indefinitely. Icewedge (talk) 02:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Nishkid64 blocked User:Bart the Bear's Glowball as a banned user, but one of his socks escaped notice:

• 17:19, 10 April 2009 Bart the Bear's Glowball (talk | contribs) created new account User:Blast from the Past Guy (talk | contribs)

(Since the account was created by a banned user, I didn't see the point in requesting an SPI and thought the quickest way to the point would be to post here.)

--Rrburke^(talk) 02:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Userpage deleted, request sent for oversight. --Dynaflow babble 22:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

At User:Akeelah2 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), a self-admitted 12 year old has revealed what I would presume is her real name, her home city and school, and her cell phone number. I left the standard "not MySpace" notice on her Talk page, but I think the userpage probably needs to go: not just blanked but deleted. Is anyone with The Tools willing to second that and carry out the deletion? --Dynaflow babble 21:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Should probably be oversighted too, per

WP:OVERSIGHT. – ukexpat (talk

) 21:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, especially since it has a phone number, but I have removed the stuff from general review and left a hopefully helpful note on the editors talkpage. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

As long as it's non-recoverable by non-sysop users, it should be fine. I'm also unsure if oversight policy would call for oversighting in this case (oversight of personal information is explicitly called for only when it is being used to "out" someone else who wishes to maintain anonymity). --Dynaflow babble 21:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that this is a case for it (especially considering the age we're talking about here).

 GARDEN 

21:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I've sent off a request for oversight referencing this discussion. --Dynaflow babble 22:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

It appears oversight has been performed.

Resolved

 – Question of edit warring referred back to proper channels; now at

WP:ANEW. --Dynaflow babble

03:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I opened a RFC about User:Collect. However, I just noticed that in addition to everything else, he also violated terms of his unblock. Is it ok to bring this up here as well? I dont want him blocked, he should be able to participate in his RFC, I just request admin attention to this.

• After getting blocked, User:Collect had agreed to 1RR or less for at least a month on 3 March 2009. [23] And he got unblocked. [24]

• Violates these terms on 13 March 2009.

• • Adds an OR tag 07:29, 13 March 2009. Restores the tag (1st revert): 12:00, 13 March 2009

• • Adds another OR tag: 07:32, 13 March 2009. Restores that tag again (2nd revert): 12:22, 13 March 2009

• Latest edit war: 13 April 2009, deleting "collectivist" on Fascism

17:21, 13 April 200917:37, 13 April 200912:04, 14 April 2009 (now deleting it eventho it's sourced)18:22, 14 April 2009

• Technically, he didnt break
  WP:3RR. First revert 17:21, 13 April 2009, latest 18:22, 14 April 2009, gaming the system with less than an hour and he knows this: [25]
  .
• Again, technically, he didnt break
  WP:3RR. But note the long edit-warring history (among others) of this user here: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Collect —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoenix of9 (talk • contribs
  )

Blocks are preventive, not punitive, so if the flouting of unblock sanctions a month ago wasn't caught at the time, it should be considered water under the bridge. However, should Collect be blocked again and request an unblock, this may be something for the involved admins to keep in mind. 3RR isn't an allowance for three reverts a day; it just sets the three revert rule as an absolute boundary. Edit warring is edit warring, and edit warring is Bad. I would suggest taking this to

WP:ANEW. --Dynaflow babble

00:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Is it ok to bring this up there while Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Collect is ongoing? Phoenix of9 (talk) 00:45, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Not only not 3RR, nor 2RR nor even 1RR -- the first is insertion of a tag which was not in before, hence not a revert. The next two edits are CONSECUTIVE (the Drudge Report edits) I guess I violated a minus one RR rule for him?

As to the Fascism edits (Pof9 is searching every single edit I made as he promised he would) the removal was fully discussed on the Talk page, and only one person insisted on including it. He also said the US is fascist because we had the fasces on the dime. Apparently Pof9 is wikilawyering here, or else he believes the US is fascist because of the dime?

What we have is a person seeking to take multiple bites of the apple by forum shopping . Collect (talk) 00:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

That's why I encourage Phoenix of9 to take the edit-warring complaint to the appropriate forum,

WP:ANEW, where allegations can be laid out systematically evaluated objectively. Whatever else is in dispute is best addressed at the RFC. An ANI thread is not an appropriate forum for these issues; ANEW and the RFC are. --Dynaflow babble

00:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, Collect also promised on March 3 to not edit Drudge Report for a week or more. I shall also avoid the Drudge Report article for at least a week...[26] But he was back to editing it just three days later: [27][28][29] As Dynaflow points out, that's water under the bridge, but it does mean that future promises should be viewed with scepticism. The latest edit warring is of greater concern. That should be addressed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. RFCs are for handling general problems rather than straight edit-warring.   Will Beback  talk  00:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

It should be noted in passing that, having taken a cursory look at the page history for Drudge Report, Collect does seem to have adhered to 1RR on 13 March. --Dynaflow babble 01:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

How come? He added two tags seperately and reverted them seperately. Phoenix of9 (talk) 01:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

So, are we going to block a user for edits made 1 month ago, OR for more recent edits made after his sanctions expired. Which is it? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 01:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think anyone's blocking anybody here. If Phoenix of9 wants to take his or her allegations of edit warring to

WP:ANEW, and the consensus there decides that the accusation has merit, appropriate sanctions can be decided upon there. --Dynaflow babble

01:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

This isn't WP:ANEW, but making four reverts in 25 hours is sufficient cause for a block, especially for someone who's been blocked for edit warring twice before.   Will Beback  talk  01:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I reported this at WP:ANEW [30] Phoenix of9 (talk) 01:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

That shows 3rr. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

You mean violation of 3rr (in 25 hrs)? Yea. Phoenix of9 (talk) 01:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Anon user warned to go forth and sin no more. --Dynaflow babble 03:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

User connecting from the IP address 206.162.140.52 has made constant and repeated fraudulent edits to a number of pages. In particular, the user changes names of people or actors. Example:

On

I've reviewed the user's past edits and he's been doing the same thing on other pages as well. On his talk page there have been several warnings issued. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambaryer (talk • contribs) 01:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:AIV and they will be satisfyingly blocked. If they heed the warning and don't do it again, so much the better. --Dynaflow babble

01:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

Closing discussion, AFD is closed.