Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive405

I repeat my request: please remove the Jaakobou examples from the list of putative problems. Durova^Charge! 05:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

This user has consistently been unable to discuss policy, but insists on theological discussion laced with continual personal attacks.

• "your finite understanding of this particular subject"
• "You've taken it upon yourself to interpret Explicit Writings"
• "You're making uneducated assumptions without all the facts"
• "Your assertion … irresponsibly concludes"

[12]

• "Pointing out that you're uneducated about "this particular subject" is not a personal attack;"
• "You seem to be suffering from a delusion that your limited understanding of this subject"

[13]

• "you made it up and shamelessly attempted to pass it off as authentic"
• "In fact no reference exists that … are there Mr. Smarty?

[14]

When warned on his user page, these are struck with deliberately insulting edit sums: [15] [16]

Some admin help would be of help. MARussellPESE (talk) 04:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh goody, a religious content dispute, with escalating warnings, warnign blankings, and increasingly arrogant tones... whee! but not AN/I material. You've got some ridiculously pontificating content disputes here about the relevancy of Judaic theory to Ba'hai theologies. YOu probably want

WP:DR, but not AN/I, unless you're asking for somethign specific? ThuranX (talk

) 05:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

This user has a long history of being warned and asked to stop insulting his interlocutors directly — passing beyond the pale of

WP:UNDUE. Frankly, even a simple {{subst:uw-npa1}} from an admin might get him to argue the topic and not personalities. MARussellPESE (talk

) 03:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

This has escalated to harrasment on my talk page with bogus warning tags and reverts:

1. [17]
2. [18]
3. [19]

Jeff has deleted warnings off of his talk page, but I apparently don't have the right to police my own talk page? MARussellPESE (talk) 05:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe I was mistaken about removing content from your own talk page, and I apologize. I was only aware of this

Based upon this recent comment to my page, I now understand this crossroads we're at, as he believes his sarcasm is warranted so long as it's only directed at my reasoning, and not at me personally. I get it now. I'm absolutely guilty as charged, as I have indulged beyond this limit to where sarcasm is appropriate. I'm profoundly sorry for the trouble this has wrought. I'm truly sorry that this has devolved into this , and am embarrassed for being responsible for arousing this sheer absurdity. I can commit myself at this moment to vow not to participate, initiate, or react to any sarcastic or snide comments in the future. I can't believe I bothered to participate to any extent as it is. Sorry for the trouble. Cheers.

Resolved

 – yuck. indef blocked. --

barneca (talk

) 16:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

This has scrolled by on my watchlist and I think it's blockable. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

That guy. I reverted stuff almost exactly like that from anon editors over the last few days. Looking at Francis' 'contrabutions' I see that (s)he has a preformatted insult and just changes a name or so in it. I suspect the editor may have gone IP at this point. Loren.wilton (talk) 05:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

This really sounds more like a content dispute. Perhaps you should seek help from outside parties via

WP:MEDCOM. In any case, I'm not sure exactly what you want us to do here? JodyB _talk

17:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

On second thought, I would encourage you all to be very careful about

WP:3R. The two of your should work it out on the talk page. To encourage your fruitful communication, I have protected the page for a couple of days. JodyB _talk

17:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the protection. I think it's more than a content dispute, as he's attempting to reinterpret what a reliable source clearly states. But maybe that's just me. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 22:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, "computer expert" is not a term you will find on the resume of anyone actually in the computer business. It is a term that reporters use for just about any form of person involved in computers, even if it is a 9 year old hacker or a grandmother that bought a machine at Best Buy to send email. Thus "computer expert" and "systems administrator" are not necessarily incompatable terms. I do not know the professional experience of JK (or anything else about him), but if he was indeed employed in the computer business his job title was not "computer expert". It may have been sysadmin, or something else. I would suggest that people involved in the article try to find a more accurate citation on the person's actual job description. The current term, while clearly cited, is IMHO too vague to argue over.

The claim that a sysadmin is not a "computer expert" is open to a vast amount of interpretation. I would say the pointy editor was using "expert" in a vastly different meaning than a reporter will use it in a general readership article (the cited reference). Even accepting the alternate definition of the editor, there is not necessarily a conflict. Some sysadmins are complete dunderheads, but a very large number are indeed "computer experts", though typically not "computer programmers", which I suspect the editor may be thinking of. Loren.wilton (talk) 05:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

User Tree of Life has been promoting his personal website on various articles after being told not to do so. His website details his personal theories, including why the historical dates for everything in the first century CE should be reduced by 4 years. The 3 week editing history of Tree of Life has been solely devoted to making these promotions or arguing why these promotions are warranted. Legis Nuntius (talk) 23:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I warned him a number of times to stop, but he ignored warnings and continued today as well [28], [29].
All in all its rather obvious, the best example would be: "I opposed that and invite you to do the same.". Could someone just warn the guy cause he does not look like he's going to stop... --

I'll leave a note, however both of you need to step back and calm down a bit from the looks of things. No need to get all frustrated over what to call somebody.

a/c

) 03:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

User:American Brit recently made another appearance, under the guise of User:American Brit the Third (say what you will about him, but I like the easily-named socks). I summarily blocked him as he's been banned by the community. I happened to pop back over, and saw that he'd left a charming message at User talk:American Brit the Third. Because he was making legal threats and personal attacks, I fully protected the talk page, eliminating his opportunity to have a neutral party investigate the claims. I'm posting this here because he's been banned for a year, and this seemed like an ideal opportunity to investigate whether the ban was warranted or not. :)

So, that's that. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

American Brit's collection of threats. He was comical while he lasted. seicer | talk | contribs 21:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, quite appropriately banned, I think. Most amusing. Sandstein (talk) 21:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I like this line: "Just start inviting people to a double funeral because Hanunted Angel and EVula are going tot he grave." [30]. And today. seicer | talk | contribs 21:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Relevant links: :::Community ban

Checkuser case.

I filed the community ban proposal. Keep him gone. Keegan^talk 07:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The above user has been blocked indefinitely from editing on wikipedia as evident here but is still evading the block through the use of that ip address. He is making edits on the Epica page such as this, removing information referenced by reliable sources in the main body of the article. He has also left an abusive comment towards me on my talk page here, calling me a dick head among other things. --Bardin (talk) 07:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Moments ago, on his new Comedy Central special, in the last five minutes of the special, he gave specific, Colbert-like instructions as to specific entries to vandalize. BusterD (talk) 03:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

So, do you recommend protection, then? Is there any specific course of action that should be taken? —  scetoaux (T|C) 03:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Which entries? --Elonka 03:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• Charles Schumer
  - basketball court halfway toss
• Nancy Pelosi - firestarting gaze
• Karl Rove - Gloria Gaynor tattoo
• Dick Lugar
  - soluble in water
• George W. Bush - performance artist

These are the "lies" Oliver listed, he said wished to get on the pedia. BusterD (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Already seeing some action at Charles Schumer. BusterD (talk) 03:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Schumer's article is protected now. Pelosi's and Rove's too. Bush's article has been protected, and now I'm protecting Lugar's article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Replays in two hours. Unless CC plans on re-running this heavily, 24 hours should be fine. BusterD (talk) 03:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, these things tend to go on for a while. Maybe preventing them from editing in general will disuade such vandalism in general.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I reiterate: Lead pipe. Comatose. HalfShadow (talk) 03:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Better to beat them with quick eyes and disciplined reaction, like we just accomplished. Damage by ips is minimized, echos are very small. He did say some rather authentically nice things about the project (then encouraged everyone to spoil it). BusterD (talk) 03:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Nnno, he said nothing nice, but many TRUE things about 'Wikiality', and the ability of any jackass to rewrite history. He got to teh heart of a LOT of the problems with this project. ThuranX (talk) 05:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Heh. I just watched that and came by to mention it. He also said that his own bio listed his middle name as "Cornelius", and somebody has already tried that. Might as well protect his entry if you're doing the rest. Probably worth keeping an eye on Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, and Colbert's favorite targets, too. William Pietri (talk) 03:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Was about to mention that but got a edit conflict(thats like the 8th tonight) БοņёŠɓɤĭĠ₳₯є 03:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• This may flush out some sleeper socks; I've already reverted one on Chuck Schumer; first edit, though he has been registered since 2006. Horologium (talk) 03:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Twothreebreak is another such editor. Also ,requesting MOVE protection on the page, cause... well, idiots are idiots. ThuranX (talk) 05:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Okto8's mess at Oliver has been cleared as well (I left the idiotic redirect). I wish a comedian would get out there and made fun of the people who jump and vandalize whenever they tell everyone to. That would be really funny. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I cleaned up a bit more stuff. I still think his bit was funny, and encourage others to watch the show. I think it's great that we're important and interesting enough to get discussed like this. William Pietri (talk) 05:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

This is all very well, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We don't want hordes of newbies' first experience of wikipedia to be "this page is protected from editing". And I'm pretty sure Dick Lugar is soluble in water. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 21:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Almost a year ago now, I fell victim on Dutch Wikipedia to nl:Dirk Draulans this journalist claiming that his article on Wikipedia had both his birth date and the name of his wife wrong. A few months later, his wife was in the news and surprise, surprise, the original Dutch Wikipedia entry had been right all along. The journalist obviously wrote that article just to see how fast we would change his article and how fast we would change it back. What would be the policy of English Wikipedia on a journalist who played a trick like that? Stop considering him an RS? Or would the fact that he never commented on it to joke about Wikipedia, mean we forget the incident? --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 11:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Someone has decided that there are not the 150K Afro-Latinos in Honduras that our sources tell us, and that the figure should be 350K instead, down from his original count of 750K. No sources for this position, but this has been going on for a while (at least since December 9, 2007), in a wide variety of articles that mention the census. Some examples:

• [31]
• [32]
• [33]
• [34]
• [35]
• [36]
• [37]

I'm pretty sure that it is all Honduran72 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Editor652 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). The problem is that it isn't obvious vandalism, so people sometimes edit on top of it, making it error-prone to keep out.

Is there any automatic way to handle this? Are any of the vandalbots flexible enought to look for this?

Kww (talk) 19:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Would appreciate it if someone would do something. Honduran72 (

WP:AIV was rejected without comment. After he noticed the warning, he went at it with 69.118.13.10 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). This guy needs blocked and blocked hard.Kww (talk

) 02:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I really feel like I'm talking to myself here. Honduran72 finally got blocked last night, and MTA25 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) showed up to continue the fight. I filed at SSP. Faster service than I get there would be greatly appreciated.Kww (talk) 12:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

 – semi-protected -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Could someone semiprotect this for a couple of days? There has been an IP vandal on a series of different addresses reinstating the same vandalism into the infobox every time it is reverted. This has been going on for at least a day, so the semi would probably need to be about 2 days. See current state and diff from my last revert for the standard pattern. Loren.wilton (talk) 06:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Done.

WP:RFPP is usually a better place to request protection. -- zzuuzz ^(talk)

14:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 08:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

It is worth bearing in mind that companies – even big evil media companies – aren't monolithic entities. More often than not, their right hands genuinely have no idea what their left hands are doing. It's quite possible that the show doesn't know one of its writers is a plagiarist.

A polite note to the production company along the lines of

I enjoyed your program on 21 April 2008 about fast food restaurants. I noticed, however, that some of the host's script appeared to be extremely similar to text from the online encyclopedia Wikipedia (link). As a long-time contributor to Wikipedia and author of some of the text involved, I'm flattered that you found my writing suitable for inclusion.

In the future, however, a bit of recognition and credit for Wikipedia's hardworking volunteers would be most appreciated. If material is drawn – essentially verbatim – from Wikipedia, a shout-out during the show or a mention in the credits would not be out of place.

wouldn't be unreasonable. (Feel free to prettify, rewrite, expand as you see fit.) It could be a one-off error where they forgot to credit, or one of the writers had a temporary lapse in judgement. The concern is where one of their writers has slipped into some bad habits to meet deadlines; see for example User:TenOfAllTrades/Aloha Dupe.

You can draw the problem to their attention, but be polite. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 12:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. An editor or group of editors has been repeatedly adding uncited material to Dubstep over the last few days. First it was to Thugstep, an article that was succesfully PRODded, and now it's Dark Garage, an article that's speedied. I've tried to compromise, and I'd like a bit of assistance or a second opinion on this at this point. --Kaini (talk) 12:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

...and now a violation of

WP:CIVIL, too; [38] --Kaini (talk

) 12:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

two more violations of

WP:CIVIL; [39], [40]

Banning policy etc.

Resolved

Hi,

could someone look at the edits of the IP 198.203.177.177 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), such as this diff? The users keeps changing the banning-related policy pages and might be a sock puppet of a banned user. --B. Wolterding (talk) 13:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Blocked for a week. seicer | talk | contribs 13:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

This is probably a public terminal, or at least a shared work IP, as it is registered to United HealthCare Corporation. CheckUser shows the IP has been used by banned user

t

14:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Socks blocked.

(Ni!)

14:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

User User_talk:W.GUGLINSKI was indef blocked (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive328#User:W.GUGLINSKI) for a long string of pseudoscience article creations, always referencing his book on "Quantum Ring Theory"; he then badgered other editors in one-by-one responses of (and weird "rejections" of) AfD votes. Well, a series of articles were recently created on the same topics (Heisenberg's paradox, Inversion of logic in Schrödinger equation, and New de Broglie's paradox‎), all citing the same book. The creator is new SPA User_talk:YURI2008, and the same badgering AfD "keep" votes are rolling in from an array of Brazilian dynamic IPs, at least one of which was the source of an obvious Guglinski edit Special:Contributions/200.141.116.203 in Quantum Ring Theory's AfD. In other words, Guglinki appears to be evading his block with new account User_talk:YURI2008 (probable) and anon logins from 200.X and 189.48.X. (basically certain) Bm gub (talk) 00:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and indef-blocked

^talk

02:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics#Crank posts. The way, the truth, and the light (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Please take a look to what is happening here: it seems to me that a group of editors and admins is trying to ban all the editors who allegedly do not share a certain POV about 9/11 topic, and in my opinion they are doing this with almost inconsistent, groundelss and pretextuous motivations. Can any other (possibly unbiased) admin take a look to what is going on, please?--Pokipsy76 (talk) 07:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

This certain POV is the verifiable one. You and the others have been banned for disruptively pushing conspiracy theory POV. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 07:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

"Ban all editors" is a huge exageration, as a matter of fact the first proposal was a topic ban on a certain user, not a full-fleged ban. - Caribbean~H.Q. 07:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

But I didn't wrote "all the editors", I wrote "all the editors who allegedly do not share a certain POV about 9/11 topic". However do you think it is all ok to "topic ban" selectively the editors according to their alleged POV?--Pokipsy76 (talk) 07:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Pokipsy76 just violated his two month ban.[41] Ice Cold Beer (talk) 07:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Honestly I though that "ban" was an automatism, not something that I could violate.--Pokipsy76 (talk) 07:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Many editors fail to grasp the difference between a ban and a block. Assuming good faith, one must conclude that Pokipsy76 made that post in the belief that it was either okay, or impossible, to do so. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 14:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The block/ban distinction is a good point. It would be helpful if we had a template explaining what the ban meant. Is there anyone template-savvy who'd be willing to do this? Raymond Arritt (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I can take a look at it.

a/c

) 18:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually... which template am I looking at?

a/c

) 18:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Updated so far: Template:Banned user arbcom and Template:Banned user. Please let me know if there's any other that need hitting.

a/c

) 18:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Mike Babic has been warned again [42] and again [43] that he need to stop editing articles using multiple accounts (IP address and user account) because it is against wikipedia rules. His answer on my last warning has been: "forgot to log in that one time" [44] . This answer has been writen on 14:02, 21 April 2008 and only 3 hours latter edited again with his puppet [45] Fact that 24.36.19.38 is puppet of Mike Babic is confirmed with Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Mike Babic.

I am asking only decision in support of wikipedia rules. There is no point that others use only 1 account for editing 1 article if others can use multiple accounts--Rjecina (talk) 09:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Rjecina, I'm losing my patience with you. Please compare the similar complaint here. It has been pointed out time and time again to you that it is NOT automatically abusive sockpuppetry if somebody occasionally edits logged out. In the present case, he made edits from his well known IP block, and then each time followed up on them with another edit logged-in, thus making the earlier edit easily recognisable as his. Abusive sockpuppetry means intention to deceive; there clearly is no such here.

You, however, Rjecina, are very clearly engaging in a campaign of harassment in order to get as many opposing editors blocked as possible. You're apparently even keeping a list of trophies ([46]). I'll wait for comments from others here, but I'm seriously considering handing out some fresh sanction under

WP:ARBMAC against you at this point. Fut.Perf. ☼

10:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I am mistaking but if 1 users is editing article from 2 (or more accounts) article history will show greater support for his positions of what is in reality and this is against wikipedia rules. In reality it is no important if I and Fut.Perf. know who is puppet master but fact that other users think that there are 2 different users which support 1 position and this is false.

I will be happy to recieve new informations if my position is wrong or not ? --Rjecina (talk) 10:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

There's absolutely nothing wrong with editing while not logged in. If the user is not misrepresenting his history (and in this case he is openly admitting to the logged-out edits) then this is not a case of sockpuppetry. Campaigning to have editors blocked for such behaviour is harrassment. End of story. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Fut.Perf. and thumperward/Chris Cunningham. It is acceptable to edit without having logged into an account. If the user were trying to create the impression of multiple people supporting his position in a dispute, then that would be abusive sockpuppetry. Since that does not appear to be the case, the subject should be dropped.

^Sing

14:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Posting as this has extreme relevance for Wikipedia, and is being held in an area that few watch and less interact on: RFD.

The consensus on

The archive bot only reads timestamps, not English... Carcharoth (talk) 17:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Edward Nilges (User spinoza1111 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Spinoza1111 ) is making posts peppered with insults on talk ayn rand via anonymous IP addresses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:218.103.128.42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:116.48.168.16

There may be others. At least one other user with Anonymous IP address has supported him in posts, though I don't think this is the same user.

Ethan a dawe (talk) 22:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, a common problem with him. 202.82.33.202 is his home ip and it is fixed. Any other address he edits from is public and really shouldn't be blocked. He generally loses interest in any topic where his edits are removed all the time. I suggest people stop talking with him on the Ayn Rand talk page and just remove any edit he makes there.--Atlan (talk) 23:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• Edward Nilges' rambling comments at Talk:Ayn Rand, full of personal attacks, don't suggest any good-faith desire to improve the encyclopedia or to negotiate with others. The most coherent presentation of his views that I could find is at [47]. He also edits the Ayn Rand article directly, but all his changes are quickly reverted.
• How about two weeks of semi-protection for Ayn Rand and Talk:Ayn Rand? This might cause him to lose interest. If that doesn't work, blocking of some IPs might be considered. (So far we have just the indef block on his named account, Spinoza1111, and no formal discussion of banning that I am aware of). EdJohnston (talk) 05:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not really in favor of semi-protecting a talk page because of one troublesome editor. A block of the main ip in this case would be more appropriate.--Atlan (talk) 09:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Here are the IPs he has used lately:

• 202.82.33.202 (talk · contribs) Over 200 edits, running from 3 March 2006 through 22 April 2008
• 218.103.128.42 (talk · contribs) Only six edits, all on 20 April
• 116.48.168.16 (talk · contribs) Only four edits, all on 11 April

Atlan, I assume you recommend blocking 202.82.33.202 for a long period (block evasion) and leaving the others alone. I would support that. EdJohnston (talk) 15:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I recommend that only if he continues this behavior. As he states in his last edit, it was his last and he will now "pursue this matter outside wikipedia". I don't know what he hopes to accomplish there, but it's not our concern. I hope it keeps him busy.--Atlan (talk) 21:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

A group of new editors who seem to have found an agreement outside of WP (see talk page of that atricle) made big efforts to change the article of Dorje Shugden substentially without any discussion. Any request for discussion on the changes were neglected. Moreover verified passages were deleted and balanced views deleted and insertion from a anonymous website made. I like to ask you for your help by checking the subject, revert or a temporarily block of the article. I have sent all new editors welcomes and ask for collaboration but as you can see from the talk page they just ignore. Thank you very much, --Kt66 (talk) 20:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Moved from

WT:AN. x42bn6 Talk Mess

02:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• I think that's a bit of an over reaction to be honest. A group of editors are attempting to improve one article and there is some concern about it? The worse that can happen is that it has to be restored once they are finished. You never know they might even improve the article!
  talk
  ) 02:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
• Also they are newbies and they are trying to contact whoever is doing the rollback on the articles talk page. I guess that's you? I think you should discuss with them on the talk page, they seem quite genuine, but have not yet grasped yet how to sign there name with ~~~~.
  talk
  ) 02:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I am a little concerned about User:Wisdomsword who manages to grasp using the ref tags in his first posts. I will leave him a note to describe the links in better detail rather than just listing the top level domain all the time. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, really interesting. User:Wisdombuddha reverts Kt66 and then Wisdomsword is created who's second edit is "KT 66 is reverting anyone' else's comments with his own sickening and unbacked up bias and i'm amazed he is allowed to do it." Curiouser and curiouser. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Also kt66 does not seem not to be a neutral editor: [[48]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.167.238.67 (talk) 06:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

One quote from an uninvolved editor does not necessarily make User talk:Kt66 out of order. User talk:84.167.238.67, are you an editor who is involved in this debate on the article page? I only ask because this appears to be your first edit.

The entire thing is rather bizarre. I'm not familiar with the subject, but all of a sudden there seems to be 6-8 SPAs filling the page. I don't blame Kt66 at all for bringing this here, and hopefully getting more eyes on the article. Redrocket (talk) 07:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• There is a related thread on
  WP:AN. Some of these editors are sockpuppets. The rest are unrelated; I suspect there is a blog somewhere that has raised some issue with this. Thatcher
  14:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Since Wisdombuddha deleted others' comments from

WP:AN. Naturally I welcome review. EdJohnston (talk

) 19:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

A disruptive editor (Mr. Loner) on the Megarachne, Mesothelae and List of creatures in Primeval‎ is continuing to make unsourced claims in regards to Palaeozoic spiders, and whether T. rex is going to be on the British television program Primeval. Other editors have been reverting his edits for a number of weeks, but over the past few days I have left messages on his talk page trying to get him to stop, and recommend he read Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability before he makes any future edits. However, he simply blanks his talk page and carries on as before. I fear this is becoming an edit war as I try to undo his edits. Do anyone have a recommendation about what should be done? The best, Mark t young (talk) 08:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

One point. The user is perfectly within their rights to blank their talk page. The controlling guideline can be found here, 8th bullet. In general, user talk pages are for communication, and are not intended to be a badge of shame to be forced onto someone. - TexasAndroid (talk) 15:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

True, but it wasn't that he was blanking it that is the issue. It was that concerns where made to him, and he reacted by blanking the page and carrying on making disruptive edits. Anyway, he has been blocked for 1 week for edit warring. Cheers, Mark t young (talk) 18:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

There were many posts last night by various anon editors that the T. Rex would be on that TV show. Not being aware of Mr.Loner, I don't know if these were socks or merely something that has become common rumor. Loren.wilton (talk) 22:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-04-22 Alpha Phi Alpha‎
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-04-22 List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers‎

There have been a number of reverts to material that I have inserted into the Alpha Phi Alpha article. Miranda has reverted it [49], Robotam [50], and CCson [51].
Based from this [52], It should be noted for the record that

Now in many of the citations listed in the articles we are given things like "^ a b Wesley 1981, op. cit., pp. 15–16. ^ a b Wesley 1981, op. cit., pp. 19–27. ^ Wesley 1981, op. cit., pp.26–31, 92. " The problem with this is access. Unless you have access to the book this History of Alpha Phi Alpha by Charles Wesley you really can't verify the information. I have listed a book that can be searched by Charles Wesley called "Charles H. Wesley: The Intellectual Tradition of a Black Historian " [53]. This book is by the same author. It also allows references to easily be sourced.

There have been other cases involving some of these users who have run into conflict with other users involving these articles.

• Including Miranda with [54]] [55] Miranda vs Justin1978
• Justin1978 Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-06-29 Infobox Fraternity Justin1978 vs Robotam & Ccson & Naraht
• Justin1978 User:Justinm1978/rebuttal [56] Justin1978 vs Miranda

Which shows some of the conflict that has come about as a result of people interactions in these articles. RobertOgleFan (talk) 16:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand your content dispute on

User:Miranda and I have with each other are not related to this content dispute. Justinm1978 (talk

) 16:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Justinm1978 included you because of your past interactions with all 3 of these users. From what I saw here as well. [57]. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated. thank you.RobertOgleFan (talk) 16:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

What admin action is necessary here? As these mediation cases were just filed today, I would recommend that you give mediation some time to hash out the issues you raise. Posting the dispute here in addition to those two (very similar) cases is unlikely to be productive. No comment on the merits. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 16:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd like an admin just to watch, possibly comment on the mediation cases. RobertOgleFan (talk) 16:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Not participating because I think this is a sock of a

miranda

17:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Miranda did a checkuser on me and I was shown to not be related. Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/SexyNupe2000 [58] RobertOgleFan (talk) 17:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

First, checkuser doesn't totally prove a sock's innocence. A banned user could be traveling to other computers in other states or use proxies. Second, I feel like that the user is bringing out drama without consulting the steps of

miranda

21:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed the birthdate of

It's fine, people are allowed to release their own details. —TreasuryTag—t—c 17:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there is a policy. There is an essay based on a request for arbitration. --Onorem♠Dil 17:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Should be Oversighted to protect the minor. ^{(Hypnosadist)} 17:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

(ec)Personally, I think that if they're fifteen then they're "major" enough to know that it's dumb to give out your details online. If he's an idiot, that's his problem, he must know the dangers. —TreasuryTag—t—c 17:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, he was not yet fifteen when he added it. He also did not object to the removal, instead thanking me for it. So do I send an email to request the oversight?

^Sing

18:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Additionally, he states (and I have not removed) what day is his fifteenth birthday, which allows anyone to easily deduce the birthdate.

^Sing

17:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Not every 15 year old knows everything. Yes their told not to put out personal information online, but they don't think anything will happen from it. I know I did when I was that age, even younger. I don't think there is a policy or anything that states minors can't post their birthdates, so I don't think it's much of a problem. <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 18:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)(EC) I think give him a message on his talk page, explaining what oversight is, and let him decide if he wants it oversighted. <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 18:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Good idea! I'll do that.

^Sing

18:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and left a message on his page, feel free to add to it.<3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 18:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I did (and apologized for not having notified him of this thread myself).

^Sing

18:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for helping me out/backing me up, although I basically did the same thing for you tee-hee. <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 18:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok I'm here.I guess I proboly shouldn't have put it on there. I was just excited about being to make a infobox I out all my info in there.I'll be careful from now on.Mr. Green^chat 18:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't feel too bad, I've seen a boy put his full name, school, town and date of birth up before! (I removed it and explained to him.) Merkin's mum 19:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I recently posted on the BLP noticeboard requesting some extra eyes on this article, but I am not sure how much attention that board gets. It seems Mr. Leopold has his lawyer (or someone claiming to be) now editing this article and issuing quite an onslaught of legal threats and the such. Would anyone be willing to weigh in on this? Arkon (talk) 18:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Can we get some range blocks here?

^talk

19:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I have full-protected the page on the least-negative version (per

talk

) 19:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone who looked at this. Arkon (talk) 19:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I also posted about this to the BLP/N and have actually been in contact with Mr Leopold, via an IP address. He's pissed because he believes the article misrepresents some of his statements, makes false statements about his journalistic integrity which he disputes, among other things. For example, one of the versions included the line "past liar, convicted felon and former alcoholic and cocaine addict" verbatim. There's a line to be drawn between "hagiography" and "BLP violation" and this article does not tread it very well. Remember

WP:DOLT. --Haemo (talk

) 20:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

why are we fucking around here? let's not "revert to the less negative article" - aggressively stub the article and start again from scratch. We are far better off with a stubbed and sourced paragraph than an article of dubious quality. --87.114.40.124 (talk) 20:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

In general (I haven't looked at everything in the article, I just reverted wholesale removal of cited material from RS's) the article is well sourced for any critical statements. He doesn't like it, that much is obvious, but that isn't reason to stub it. Arkon (talk) 21:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

What's going on here?

The sorts of issues raised in this TfD are not the type of issues normally covered in an RfA. Considering this seems to be more of a factual rather than a consensus dispute, and considering that concerning those factual dimensions I am out of my depth, I bring it before the noticeboard to see what other admins might think (or know). RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the Dishpan!) 21:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that the history shows some recent tag team vandalism by what looks like an IP and a possible sock situation... user:Kaine65 and user:capitankane seem to be the same, given that capitan came to the article right after, and reverted in such a way that some vandalism was left in. Admin review please? SSP? RFCU? thoughts? ThuranX (talk) 22:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

 – user blocked 31 hours Toddst1 (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Singlet_state&diff=prev&oldid=207344815. This concerns a four letter F word directed at my person I can well do without. Can this IP be blocked?, rolling back does not help. Thanks in advance for your reply V8rik (talk) 21:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC}

Wikipedia is not censored. Blue Laser (talk)

True but personal attacks are not acceptable. A brief block was given for all the good it will do. JodyB _talk 21:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

hmm, looks like an edit war to me

Ziggy Sawdust

21:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps, but look at the IP's contributions. This attack is not isolated. JodyB _talk 21:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit war or not, that's a clear personal attack and as JodyB said is never acceptable. Toddst1 (talk) 21:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Can someone block

Also created this page, a Roitr trick. Someone should probably protect that page against recreation or he will try again with a new sock. Kelly ^hi! 22:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Blocked. Given the other day's CU results, it seems this user is more active recently. – Luna Santin (talk) 00:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

This user,

I do not think that removing a blank section heading really amounts to vandalism, especially since other editors there agree with the deletion. . This ed. has made a number of constructive edits, including the restoration of articles after vandalizing by anons. I do not think action is called for at this point. DGG (talk) 22:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

 – warned. Report to

WP:AIV if spamming resumes. Toddst1 (talk

) 02:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

User 216.47.88.66 has posted nothing except "spirit shop" linkspams to a number of school articles. This has happened in two batches over a period of a day, so it isn't a one-time thing. I've cleaned up the mess, but is there a chance that this IP is sufficiently static that it can be blocked? Loren.wilton (talk) 01:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

Account name suggests single-purpose account. Hasn't made any productive edits, and history so far, and name, suggests it won't. John Nevard (talk) 01:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Disruptive, vandalism and obvious

WP:POINT across multiple articles in rapid succession. Cirt (talk

) 01:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I reported to

WP:AIV and vandal was indef blocked by Trusilver (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk

) 02:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

 – The forum in question is not about to do something like this again. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Karistaa Usko)} 06:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Over at

I'm not sure if this is the correct place to reports it (sorry, I'm new to this how editting wiki thing), but a webforum I use has launched a series of vandalism against a selection of articles in an attampt to play a game. Details here: http://www.altnation.com/forums/junk-talk/134411-wikipedia-jenga.html

Might be worth watching. -- Roleplayer (talk) 18:52, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Browsing the forum pages, I notice that the vandalism has been quickly reverted and has resulted in some blocks. I suspect that the handful of vandalism edits the forum will generate will not survive recent changes patrol for long. Keep up the good work, gang! —

^talk

19:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I've semi'd the articles being used as the latest post is telling users how to evade their IP blocks. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Karistaa Usko)} 19:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

You might want to watch out for them changing articles about or relating to Neil Gaimen. There is a meme about him on said forum --86.163.79.85 (talk) 21:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Said article is now semi'd. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Karistaa Usko)} 21:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Just reverted at Neil Gaiman. Can I suggest a permanent block for Bikuki (talk · contribs) for being a vandalism only account? -- Roleplayer (talk) 21:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

This is quite comical actually. Where else can you get a running commentary on what they're going to do next? Look out for the next instalment: creating the Alternative Nation article (currently a redirect) -- Roleplayer (talk) 21:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I've semi'd all the targeted articles (including the Alternative Nation redirect). I'm just about ready to register an account and explain my case over there. I'm going to deal with Bikuki in a moment. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Karistaa Usko)} 21:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I gave Bikuki the Ace of Spades. Iff (s)he wants to contribute freely instead of participating in such a retarded "game" I'd be more than happy to take it back. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Karistaa Usko)} 21:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Bikukis ace of spades - 'if she wants to I'll take it back' - I can't bloody well explain myself! There are no email addresses, no forum, no way of editting the pages myself... It looks a bit like censure guys. - endless psych (talk)

Also I've altered the title because its not as if the whole of alt nation is planning to vandalise wikipedia. endles psych (talk)

The pages were semi-protected because of this. With the exception of the Alternative Nation redirect (which I will unprotect now), the semi-protection will expire in a few more days. Please note that, if your account is at least four days old, you can edit semiprotected pages. Further, if you are Bikuki, you can still edit your talk page as Bikuki in order to make an unblock request with {{unblock}}. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Karistaa Usko)} 18:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)