Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive554

• Please brush up on US copyright law and Wikipedia policy. You can not reclaim an expired copyright. You also should not be removing other people's comments from an AFD. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

GraYoshi2x - the NYT itself says, as one of it's FAQs

Q May I use portions of New York Times articles, such as quotes or excerpts; may I edit or adapt New York Times articles? A Under certain circumstances, it is permissible to make direct quotes from New York Times articles. The context, number, and length of the quotes will determine whether permission is or is not required.

Also, all text created before 1923 in the US is now in the public domain. This is a nice simple explanation.Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, publishers frequently make claim to copyright over material they do not own. We do not go by the publisher statement--we go by US law. DGG (talk) 21:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Nightmareishere

User that was blocked for sockpuppetry for a week on the 16th at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nightmareishere/Archive appears to have jumped the gun and started using a new IP 98.220.27.165 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) a day early on the 22nd, to evade the block. Based on his resumption of wikidrama at New Order and Gene Loves Jezebel I feel fairly certain that this is the same disruptive editor. He's not socking with the new IP (as he did with his old IP and the named account) so I'm not sure how to proceed, but posting here seemed a place to start. I couldn't find a warning template for block evasion to post at the new IP. Thanks much -- Foetusized (talk) 20:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Well,

Sky Attacker

21:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Heads-up; the ARIN whois service seems ill

To those admins who use WHOIS links, the ARIN whois service seems to be a bit belly-up at the moment. Queries are returning

DataBase Error: Table 'arindb-200907242009.net_ip_index' doesn't exist

Tonywalton ^Talk 21:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk page disruption by dynamic IPs

Over the past month or so, a dynamic Telstra IP has been repeatedly modifying others' comments, primarily at

WP:TPO (see WQA) and having their edits reverted by multiple users (see talk pages' histories), they've persisted and made their own attacks (e.g. calling me "hilariously pathetic"[11] and implying that I'm "arrogan[t]"[12]) They occasionally register an account (i.e. AgoINAgo, Moaners

), but they aren't used for long. I admit that I've removed some of their comments too, but I believe that those were clearly uncivil or irrelevant, and they existed at the end of the thread (as opposed to the middle, where it would create holes in the conversation).

On a side note, at

refusal to get the point" lead an admin to "draw the line" and they have since continued their conduct,[13] but I'm more concerned about their modification of others' comments. —LOL ^T/_C

21:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Would temporarily semi'ing those pages be a viable option? -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!)} 21:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't very optimistic about semi-protecting talk pages especially because the IP has been modifying others' comments since early June,[14] but I guess that would be a good idea if nobody thinks they can communicate well with the user. —LOL ^T/_C 21:29, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Long-term serial copyright infringer; indef-blocked. Review requested.

• Paknur (talk · contribs), who is also
• Misaq Rabab (talk · contribs)
• Mirza Barlas (talk · contribs) and
• Siddiqui (talk · contribs)

Investigating a couple of articles at the very backlogged

WP:SCV, I have uncovered another serial copyright infringer, this one having infringed across multiple account. Under his current username, I have discovered infringement going back several years. Learning of his alternate accounts (See [15]), I found that CorenSearchBot picked up problems with another (User talk:Mirza Barlas/Archives/2008/June}, while he was given personal warnings by several users as far back as 2007 under another ([16] and [17]

). I need to run a contribution history so that we can eliminate material that the user may have pasted under his various identities.

I have indefinitely blocked pending some assurance that this contributor will not continue violating copyright policies, which he's been aware of for several years, under any username. Since I do not typically start with an indef-block, I wanted to invite review. Also, please, assistance.

WP:COPYCLEAN, and I do not know until I run our contribution surveyor program on these username how extensive the investigation is going to be. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk)

20:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I have accidentally cross-posted this to

WT:AN, where I somehow wound up while trying to post it here. ? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk)

20:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Ack. That much, that many accounts, going on for so long... I would recommend permanent blocking and IDing the IP range to do something about that too. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 23:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I've got the contribution surveyor program running through his various usernames, and it's looking pretty extensive. So far, I've found infringement in every contribution he has made. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 22:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

A bunch of socks of User:Hatherington

Let me sum up the outcome of the thread

WP:ANI#New editor Bogglevit messing up layout of lots of articles

above, because I fear it has fallen off the radar, and something needs to be done. It is clear that:

• Bogglevit (talk · contribs)
• Swerqitamin (talk · contribs)
• Wickelyby (talk · contribs)
• Beteltreuse (talk · contribs)
• Julippia (talk · contribs)

are all socks of Hatherington (talk · contribs), who was indef-blocked by Rlevse for socking, see Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Hatherington -- however I haven't been able to locate an SPI page for this case. This editor has a pattern of creating a sock and using it for a few hours to do 20-100 of what appear to be harmless copy-edits, but actually are subtly destructive. If possible, it would be good to auto-revert all the edits by all the socks. Looie496 (talk) 20:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you able to give direct evidence on this page to show that all of these socks are related?--

Sky Attacker

21:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

The user pages all consist of two-word phrases, and the contribs all have a lot of entries saying "Wikify" as edit summary -- if you examine a diff for any randomly chosen one of these, you're likely to see a bunch of added paragraph breaks. Looie496 (talk) 21:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, you are right about one thing. Something is definitley going on here. Any CheckUsers viewing this thread, can you please check for any sleepers?--

Sky Attacker

21:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Bewildered

Hi there. I don't know why this section exists on the Administrator's notice board. Every edit I have made to wikipedia has been a good faith, constructive one.

There are three main building tasks I like to do:

One, to link together interconnected articles that are not yet linked - basically, to build the knowledge web. This includes putting articles into categories, and linking categories together.

Two, I like to find orphaned articles, and link them to appropriate others. This can be a lot of work.

Three, I seek to improve the readability of articles. Many articles contain wonderful information, yet are not easy to read. There is little copy editing, with large amounts of text clumped together. There are no paragraph breaks. Simply putting paragraph breaks into a mass of text allows that text to be more easily read & comprehended by a reader.

Anyway, that's what I like to do. I'm very proud of my work, because I feel it increases people's accessibility to education.

Bogglevit (talk) 09:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, that sounds very noble. Have you considered asking for an unblock in the usual way, and working with just a single account, or is there something that makes that impossible? Looie496 (talk) 01:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism or Content Dispute

I'll try to make this succinct. We have User:Bal537 who seems to have one purpose here and that is to introduce this idea: [18][19]. This user is arguing with 2 other users on article talk pages with this tone. I have been approached by an editor who is concerned that Bal is 'vandalizing' pages with this information. Apparently it is inflammatory. Given Bal's edits, I am inclined to think that Bal is not concerned about consensus, and is obsessed with placing this edit across various articles.

Here's the deal - I know less about Indian culture than I do about women. I don't want to take administrative action until somebody can tell me if this a content dispute, or if the information is inflammatory, or perhaps just flat out wrong. I'm resigned to the idea that Bal is not playing by the rules, but I don't know how serious this is. I thank you in advance for the help.

type! snype?

12:34, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Although this is at its core a content dispute, there are many worries. User:Bal537 is making personal attacks, the sources posted as "proofs" don't look reliable and there may be some

cite spanning and moreover, half the sources cited in Ramdasia are en.Wikipedia articles, which as we know, is never allowed (I can't recall the last time I even saw an en.WP article as an inline citation). If Bal537 doesn't stop this behaviour quick, I'd say it's blockable. This said, if there are clashing PoVs to be had in the reliable sources on this topic, they can and should be brought forth together as such in the text. Gwen Gale (talk

) 13:45, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Bal537 would be welcome to contribute if he wanted to engage in discussions and wait for consensus. So far, besides introducing his controversial bit of data, he has reverted comments by others on Talk pages. If he continues he should be warned of a possible block, in my opinion. EdJohnston (talk) 18:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

There are many worries, I've left a warning. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Scibaby sock?

An edit filter is tagging contributions from Smithsoni0201 (talk · contribs) as being a possible sock puppet of Scibaby (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).   Will Beback  talk  00:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Patrick Wilson II, Matthew O'Connor and Patrick Wilson (soccer)

(Moved from

WP:AN

)

Hi. The page Patrick Wilson II is currently undergoing AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Wilson II, but a user User:Zombie433 has moved the page to Matthew O'Connor re-written it for the new subject and removed the AfD notice. Additionally this user has created Patrick Wilson (soccer) with pretty much all the same information as the pre-move version of Patrick Wilson II, which I would also nominate as AfD under same rationale as the original nomination, but don't see the sense in running the same argument twice. What is the best way to untangle this, given the current Patrick Wilson II has no history any more, it is probably inappropriate for me to move Matthew O'Connor back as Matthew O'Connor may (or may not) be a legitimate notable person.--ClubOranje^T 21:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

addition: I have redirected Patrick Wilson II to Patrick Wilson (soccer) and added a note to the AfD , but if there is a better or more appropriate option, please advise or do it. Thanks--ClubOranje^T 21:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• I have reversed all of this as it is plainly inappropriate behaviour and deleted Patrick Wilson (soccer) since this was a duplicate of the Patrick Wilson II article but did not have the editing history so to comply with licensing requirements. I'll drop a note to User:Zombie433. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Religiously offensive, deceptive user name used by User:Supreme Deliciousness

Resolved

 – User changed signature over editor concerns.

type! snype?

08:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

User Supreme Deliciousness has previously requested a user name change to "Supreme Allah". Obviously, his request has been denied due to the offensive nature of the proposed name, in spite of his begging for the change. Please see here:

• Wikipedia:Changing username/Unfulfilled/2009/July#Supreme Deliciousness → Supreme Allah
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EVula#Excuse_me_but

Other users have expressed disapproval of User Supreme Deliciousness's proposed name change. Please see the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness#supreme_Allah.3F

However, unfortunately, Supreme Deliciousness has snuck around the Admins' decisions and is now deceptively making his signature appear as "Supreme Allah" using: "User:Supreme Deliciousness|Supreme Allah". Please the following examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anti-Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States#Survey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Druze

This is a very offensive turn of events on this matter and is grounds for serious Admin action against this user.

--Arab Cowboy (talk) 07:48, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I have removed it now.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Too late. Users, including myself, have already taken offense to this insult to God, Muslims, and non-Muslims alike. User SD had been pre-alerted of the hugely offensive nature of this matter. The fact that SD has snck around the Admins' decision is a violation already committed, in addition to the offense itself. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 08:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

No it is not too late, your personal pissing match with SD will have to resume at another place and time. Editors expressed concern, he responded to the satisfaction of those editors, end of story. nableezy - 08:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

If I remember rightly, Supreme Allah was also a character from the TV series

Oz, so possibly Arab Cowboy's dudgeon is a touch too highly placed. Crafty (talk

) 08:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Finally someone gets it, Supreme Allah was one of my favorite characters, after Poet and Kareem Said. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I really don't want to reopen this - AC, SD changed his signature. Please discuss the religious and Oz-related aspects of the former signature on your respective talk pages. There is nothing else to be done here.

type! snype?

08:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Law, there's nothing else to discuss. SD only changed his signature after the AN/I had been brought up. He had ignored previous Admins' decisions on the name change request as well as other users' concerns on his Talk page. Mission now accomplished. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 08:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't "Supreme Allah" a redundancy? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 09:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

←I've yelled at SD on his talkpage for this incident. He's seems to be a good editor, but clearly this wasn't one of his brighter moments. Crafty (talk) 10:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind the supposed genesis of the username, SD is wise enough to know that offense that would be taken by such a username. (

BWilkins ←track

) 11:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I guarantee this would not have happened or have been as heated were his signature "Supreme Jesus." Sad commentary on political correctness. Pzrmd (talk) 11:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Unless his real name was actually Spanish, and was Jésus Suprémo, yes, I would report "Supreme Jesus" to

BWilkins ←track

) 12:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Please keep in mind, Allah is not a given name in any Arabic culture I've heard of, whilst Jesus is a given name in many Romance language-speaking cultures. The rough Anglo-Saxon match to this username would be Supreme God, which I do think would raise some hackles in sundry ways. This is not "political correctness," words have meanings and one shouldn't be too startled when folks who like editing encyclopedia text tend to get stirred up by them. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I am going to change my signature to "Supreme Muhammad" then. Muhammad is a common given name. Pzrmd (talk)

Are you unable to participate in Wikipedia without being disruptive? It seems like every time I turn around you're doing something disruptive, or threatening to. I would have thought the recent ANI discussion about you might have convinced you this isn't a wise path to follow. You'd probably enjoy your time here a lot more if you didn't engage in this type of behaviour; certainly everybody else probably would. Exploding Boy (talk) 21:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I am in a civil debate. Pzrmd (talk) 22:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I might do likewise and change my signature to "Supreme Redneck". Although I might become a lightning rod for complaints that I'm promoting Double Wide Supremacy. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 21:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I was just waiting for someone to say Jesus was a given name so that I could say "Supreme Muhammad." Pzrmd (talk) 02:45, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

As I understand it, "Allah" essentially means "The God", as in "The one and only God". It's not the "real name" of God, anymore than God is the real name of God in English. Only God knows what His own name is. But it's used as His real name, hence the meaning is the same as if it were His real name. Meanwhile, "Supreme Allah" essentially means "Supreme Supreme Being". Think about that the next time you're using your Automatic Teller Machine Machine and entering your Personal ID Number Number. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 16:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Pzrmd, I can guarantee you that I would have denied the CHU request if it had been "Supreme Jesus." Thanks for the

faith, buddy. EVula // talk // ☯

// 14:56, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I was talking about the signature. Pzrmd (talk) 20:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Besides, AFG wouldn't even apply here. Pzrmd (talk) 04:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The excessive outrage over this reminds me of a particular Monty Python song. I forget the exact title. It might have been, "Never Be Rude to a Cowboy". :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 16:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, in all seriousness - it's best to use ID's and signatures that won't likely get anybody upset. Use some common sense, ya know? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 23:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Over at Talk:Left 4 Dead 2 are a couple of editors who seem to, either through refusing to read the links others keep giving them or flat-out making baseless claims of bias on the talk page, have a very big beef over the article's section detailing the boycott of the game. Although the section is as neutral as can be from what I have read, these users seem to think that "NPOV" means "My Point of View". Other highlights include:

• Interpreting WP:No original research to mean that we shouldn't comment on the boycott's existence because it's based on speculation ([20], [21])
• Interpreting WP:Reliable sources to include Steam ([22])
• Accusing others of pulling a Bogdanov ([23], [24])

Could I get some help instilling these users with some clue? I have the patience of a saint with most users, but this is just willful ignorance and lawyering, and I'm about ready to blow my top. -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!)} 20:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

No need to get angry Jeremy, we are acting in good faith. You refuse to explain the rules you enact, and obviously have some sort of personal stake in this discussion. I, for one, am not angry. I am simply trying to get a biased section either reworded or removed entirely. Keep in mind that I am new to Wikipedia, and haven't had the time to study every rule in it's entirety. However, my understanding of the NPOV rule says that if users feel a section is biased, then the use of a NPOV dispute tag is warranted. PJthePlayer (talk) 20:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

What, it's too much work for you to click a blue link and read a page? ...Oh, wait...

The only personal stake I have in this discussion is that I'm anti-idiotarian. If you really want me to push the talk page's size to the point a dial-up user will just give up, then you'd just be better off reading the pages I keep pointing out, rather than glossing over the bluelinked text. Hell, I linked some of them above, as well. In any case, I have been explaining the rules to you, and you two keep dismissing them ([25], [26]). -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!)} 20:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't suspect the admin to be the one throwing insults around... seems silly if you ask me. I have read the articles you linked me to, many times in fact. PJthePlayer (talk) 20:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Look, normally I don't get frustrated to the point where I act like Rambo, but this lawyering and ignorance has rightly pissed me off. Anything I could say in re the article-reading would be outside AN/I's remit as an editorial dispute, but rest assured I doubt you've done so. -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!)} 20:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Jeremy, it seems you have taken my postings as a personal attack on your integrity. I never intended to offend you, or anyone for that matter, I just want the article to either be rewritten to reflect a neutral point of view, or be removed entirely. However, reguardless of how this plays out, I don't think anyone would argue at this point that there is not a dispute over this article's neutrality, which is why I feel the NPOV tag should remain. PJthePlayer (talk) 21:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You're starting to branch into content, not conduct (what AN/I deals with). -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!)} 21:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Jeremy, you need to rein in your impatience. This is a content dispute, and all you have demonstrated conclusively is that you don't like the opposing point of view. Meanwhile you use words like "anti-idiotarian" that would justify an incivility block all by themselves. Looie496 (talk) 16:53, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Verbal and User:DreamGuy are reapeatedly removing the not a ballot template on the AFD discussion page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Skeptic Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience[27] [28] [29] [30].

The template was placed on the page after

I ask that the template be restored, that keep arguments in the AFD that do not address polivcy be disregarded (somewhat of a given, obviously) and that

this edit summary is of a particular worry.--

• IMO the template isn't terrible important either way. If this isn't something too important to you I would just be "the bigger man" and let it go. Also, this isn't terribly incivil, though it shows a lack of understanding of POINT. Protonk (talk) 23:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Artw (talk · contribs): we understand that you do not get along with Verbal (talk · contribs). Might we hold off on the AN/I reports for just a few days anyway? Maybe try some good old-fashioned talking it over without the overblown rhetoric and antics? Perhaps even avoid each other by contributing separately to our millions of articles?

I am honestly not sure why the template matters for that debate one way or the other. Usually I have seen it used for debates that get mentioned at 4chan or wherever or otherwise seem subject to canvassing and votestacking. - 2/0 (cont.) 23:35, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

There has been no canvassing or bad faith, etc. This is the second such report from Artw in only a few days. I agree that DGs edit summary is strong, but that is an issue Artw should take up with him using

WP:CANVASS. I've also tried to be conciliatory on his talk page, and when I had an issue with his posting ANI notices to multiple talk pages I took it to him and asked him to remove them rather than complain to ANI. As far as I'm aware the only talk page messages I've had from Artw are ANI notices! Sorry for the long reply, summary: I don't think this complaint is justified. DG has been short in some of his replies, but he has been baited by some users (not Artw that I'm aware) and I understand his reaction, although I feel it can counter-productive. However, DGs behaviour seems to be well within wikipedia norms! As always, improving advice and constructive criticism accepted on my talk page. Best, Verbal chat

08:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Side note, the title is a bit long and loaded. Could it be shortened? Just removing the names would go a long way to shortening and neutralising it. I'd do it, but as it's my "name" I'll bow out. Thanks, Verbal chat 08:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The matter of whether

WP:CANVASSing

is entirely seperate.

As for my title and description of the situation of the situation I stand by them - though I will conceede that it's mainly User:DreamGuy making accusations of bad faith. Artw (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed the section header. - 2/0 (cont.) 16:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Changed again. Using Wikicode in a title busts the goto arrow. HalfShadow 17:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

This is just the latest incident of "civil POV pushing": people trying to game the system by blatantly violating core policies and then claiming it's uncivil for other editors to tell them they're breaking those policies. I also find it odd that User:Artw waited to run off to ANI to complain about my removing the ballot template until after I was no longer removing it. It's like he knew the situation was going to blow over and he'd lose his chance to complain and escalate the conflict instead of letting it resolve. And, frankly, the idea that he could suddenly nominate the article about that book for deletion immediately after he lost a bitter argument to have it removed as a source on the Ian Stevenson article (first by claims it wasn't reliable, then by claims that it didn't say what it obviously said) and not expect to have people raise their eyebrows is just absurd. These kind of actions should not be encouraged, as it just teaches other editors how to game the system. DreamGuy (talk) 17:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Rangeblock and other blocks in effect

OckhamTheFox is acting in concert with Bambifan101 to post articles here at Bambifan101's request through discussions they are having on the Russian Wikipedia. He started by recreating The Seventh Brother, an article created twice by Bambifan101 socks and CSDed as such. See[32][33] for the discussions. I suspected as much when the article was posted, and its basically been confirmed by the newest IP sock[34]. Thoughts, options, etc? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Some fun quotes from their discussion: "Collectian is probably away now, so I think you can post my new draft there whilst she's away. Tell her that you are new to English wikipedia and are doing this in good faith." and his bragging about his sockpuppeting "FYI, Collectian isn't editing much, and the user Cactusjump is back after a four-day wikibreak. I had used an account called "TheRescuers" to trick Cactusjump into thinking that I was a Rescuers fan" clearly showing that OckhamTheFox (supposedly an administrator there?) knew what he was doing. I'm inclined to think its bannable, but will leave to others to decide how to respond to this. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe it's more than high time for a formal complaint to Bell South. I am sick and tired of this individual wasting valuable volunteer time.

I blocked and tagged the account. As for a formal complaint, you're always welcome to take a look at

Talk

03:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Meta finally decided to act on this to some degree and has blocked some of his global accounts, including The Seventh Brother one he was using on the Russian Wikipedia[35] and they are starting to block others as well[36] (only took a year after I first made multiple requests </bitterness>). He's being a pain on the many language ones as well, creating vandal articles and copy/pasting English articles from here (his preferred versions) to there. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I've been informed that OckhamTheFox is an administrator at the Russian Wikipedia.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 10:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess that means that Bambifan101 and OckhamTheFox are unrelated? It's odd how an administrator could do something like that. --

Pinkgirl34

17:05, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

They are unrelated, but for whatever reason, OckhamTheFox agreed to help him here despite knowing full well that he was a multi-time banned sockpuppet. Scary to think that is the kind of admins the Russian wiki has...-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm from Russian Wikipedia too. Sorry, are there any pages other than listed on this page, which would help to find any additional information in order to get a complete picture of the situation with The Seventh Brother and his/her relations to Ockham The Fox? Thanks! Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 19:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

We only just learned about this, so I doubt we've got anything other than what's on this AN/I thread, Drbug. -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!)} 20:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I looked through the

User:Bambifan101

and didn't understand exactly what initilally there was disruptive in his behavior. Have he put false information into the articles or just inaccurate in style?

As far as I understand, the informatia lot on that Ockham the Fox carried into Wikipedia didn't contain any false information? It looks to me like all the OTF's edits were good faith ones... Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 22:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, he has put false information, reverted to very old versions after clean up and referencing was done, randomly removed comments from talk pages to the point of blanking them, and refactored others comments. It just depends on his mood. Sometimes he does decent edits for a short time, but he almost always reverts to the status quo. He has deliberately vandalized other articles, including blanking and copyvio violations, to get the attentions of those familiar with him, repeatedly merged and unmerged articles at his own whim, attacked and harassed other users, made both death and suicide threats as a joke, threatened to have his "daddy" "buy" Wikipedia and kick everyone off, etc. And sorry, but OTF's edits were far from good faith ones. Seventh Brother AKA Bambifan had already bragged about how he was sockpuppeting here, and OTF KNEW he was banned from editing here, so he turned around and performed specific edits that Bambifan101 wanted to do, including recreated a multi-time deleted article (figuring if OTF did it, it wouldn't be CSDed again) and taken from content Bambifan101 provided. The edits to The Fox and The Hound were to restore deleted content and a version Bambifan101 prefers from one of his many bad versions he's spammed around the other language Wikipedia's. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 22:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks a lot for the info. Ok, I see now that the movie fails

WP:NF. Hm, I probably guess how OTF could think: "no matter what is the primary source of the work, it should be included in Wikipedia if it is legal and adds a value to Wikipedia according to its rules", provided that it's him responsible for the information he brings in. In Russian Wikipedia it's not universally prohibited to bring an article of a banned user to Wikipedia. So he doublechecked the information and put it in. Ok, I won't continue this topic in this page. Thank you! Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko)

23:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

For some more detailed info,

this LTA subpage should help. -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!}

) 02:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

If he did mean well, may want to warn him that the sock is still trying to "work" him and get him to do things for him. Ilikepiepieisawesomeright is probably him, again, and 68.220.187.70 most certainly is (one of his known IP ranges). Likely decided OTF is an easy mark and will continue trying to trick him for awhile. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

• Anyone else incredibly tempted to just rangeblock 74.230.0.0/16, with a block notice that anyone inconvenienced by it should just be pointed towards Bell South's abuse reporting email address? Black Kite 23:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes, but I'm too busy getting "Gremlins from the Kremlin" out of my mind.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Can someone block User:Ilikepiepieisawesomeright. Its the named sock he made yesterday while he had the IP active. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

As an update, OckhamTheFox is continuing to perform edits for Bambifan101.[37] While he may be an admin on the Russian Wikipedia, he is continuing to violate this Wikipedia's rules about making proxy edits for a sockpuppet knowing full well what he is doing. His block was released because of his admin status, but he is still not helping anything by continuing to edit for Bambifan. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I will talk to him in Russian. I think he does not realize the difference in policies concerning banned users. Ruwiki user Kv75 (talk) 06:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I've brought this back from the archive as OckhamTheFox is STILL continuing to attempt to edit for Bambifan101 after telling him to contact him via email on the Russian Wikipedia (making their conversations impossible to continue to track). He is now trying to create another Disney article for the sock, despite a unanimous rejection on the The Fox and the Hound talk page. Can we get a topic ban or something? Its bad enough dealing with this mess, but now we have another user who appears to be socking joining OckhamTheFox to encourage him to do it anyway and now wikihounding me and making edits to The Fox and the Hound just to be aggrieving. Would appreciate eyes at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Marktreut as well. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Should he be just blocked temporarily for disruptive editing? -- 科学高爾夫迷 19:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Which one? OckhamTheFox was blocked for proxy editing, but the block was undone because he is a Russian Wikipedia administrator (though personally, I don't see why that mattered). Marktreut has been blocked once for disruptive editing, and is now using socks to get around 3RR on various articles and not even doing a very good job of it. At minimum, I think all the socks should be indef blocked, Marktreut get a longer block, and a strong warning to cease his inappropriate behaviors (disruptiveness, edit warring, personal attacks, vandalizing to make a point, etc). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Our own admins sometimes get blocked for good reason. Why should being a Russian admin be an automatic get-out-of-block card? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

He shouldn't be. Proxying for Bambifan101 warrants an indefinite block, regardless of his status on other Wikipedias.—Kww(talk) 19:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Ockham's block was quite appropriate.

^{I knit sweaters, yo!}

19:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is true that this user has proxied for a banned user and inserted specious edits into articles, then the indefinite block should be restored. However, I am admittedly having trouble finding a pattern of specious diffs in Ockham's contributions. I have seen the since-deleted recreated The Seventh Brother article but precious little else ([38] from July 20). Can someone please list the diffs in question here? -- Samir 20:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

There aren't a lot more, but that's enough. This conversation shows that it was done with full knowledge that we was proxying for a banned user, and here is the log where OckhamTheFox deletes the talk page where his side of the conversation would be found. Unless and until OckhamTheFox explains that he knows that what he did was inexcusable and that he will never repeat it, the block should remain in effect.—Kww(talk) 20:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

In addition to the Seventh Brother edits, he also has done and continues to try to do proxy edits to The Fox and the Hound. Before that, he never really edited here. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I understand that Ockham has engaged in conversation with Bambifan101/The Seventh Brother on ru.wp and possibly by e-mail. But the disruption has amounted to a now deleted article (The Seventh Brother); Ockham had indicated that he thought he was acting in good faith at the time. The edits to The Fox and the Hound are being discussed on the talk page of that article, and DGG has provided a cogent argument in favour of detailing the characters in the article, which is what Ockham's edits amounted to. In my mind, there is no argument for an indefinite block of OckhamTheFox based on the evidence presented. -- Samir 21:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

He made the edits for Bambifan first, directly copy/pasting it from Bambifan's current version of the article at Simple Wikipedia. He is now claiming to be editing on his own, which Bambifan101/The Seventh Brother had encouraged him to do during their RU discussions, and simply wants to restore the same bad content. And yes, DGG made an argument too, even though it goes against the article guidelines, however all others have agreed that the section does not belong. The issue, however, is not a content dispute, it is his continuing to try to edit for Bambifan regardless of whether one or two editors thing the edits themselves are "okay" (and his additions were not).-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 21:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Bear in mind that "indefinite" does not mean "infinite" or even "long". In this case, "indefinite" would mean "until OckhamTheFox promises that he will never knowingly proxy for a banned user again". If he truly understands what he did wrong, that block could be cleared in 20 minutes.—Kww(talk) 21:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but the simple fact that an admin anywhere would think doing so was a good idea suggests to me that not having him here doesn't hurt Wikipedia. HalfShadow 21:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• I have re-instated the indef block, ensuring that Wikipedia:Banning policy#Editing on behalf of banned users is noted both in the block log and on the accounts page. Perhaps they do things differently on ru-WP, but on en-WP they were in knowing violation of the policies that pertain to editing here. I also note that they spent their time post unblock in attempting to convince various parties to allow the creation/editing of the article under dispute - they were not even interested in stepping back from the matter.LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm actually more concerned that this is an administrator on the Russian Wikipedia. Any damage here can be undone fairly easily. I'm not fluent in Russian, but is anything being done there? Enigma^msg 09:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Well, apparently this guy's a furry. 'Furry' and 'smart' are not two words that mesh well. HalfShadow 16:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Just for your knowledge: his admin flag has been removed by his own request after the Russian Arbitrary Committee had decided to began a confirmation procedure of his adminship. He had been accused with violating some rules in ruWP. So don't be concerned with this. Arbitrator of Rusian AC, Artem Korzhimanov (talk) 18:45, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Rangeblock

• Support the indef block. I'd support the /16 on that range of bell south IP addresses if I could be sure that we would catch most of the IPs assigned to BF101. There is (should still be up) a set of smaller ranges to block him, but I'm not sure of the efficacy. LTE is kind of a black hole. ISPs tend not to care that someone is vandalising wikipedia and most of the '[email protected]' addresses are required for registrants but not terribly well attended. Protonk (talk) 23:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

  I've actually managed to get in touch with a Singaporean ISP concerning a user's unconstructive edits and they assured me actions were taken. Some ISPs are more responsive than others.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:32, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

  I should have been more careful in phrasing that. Some of the LTE threads have produced good results--in general, smaller ISPs tend to be more helpful than large one, but those are the exception to the rule. Protonk (talk) 05:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

• I've put into effect the rangeblock. Any admin is welcome to reverse it if the collateral damage is severe. Black Kite 23:29, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  • He's on a new range on which 98.90.28.192 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is a part.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 10:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
    • A small portion of that range is blocked. Here. This will eventually fail, as the bellsouth range is MASSIVE (a /11) and bell south appears to assign IPs randomly within that range to users. But it might work for a bit. Protonk (talk) 13:16, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
• Hopefully this won't be necessary for long--it looks like this block took out a good-sized chunk of
  96
  14:45, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

• Is it possible to block read access to a range? If you really want this resolved, the thing to do is to make it so that anyone in that /16 cannot even read Wikipedia, with an error message complete with a mailto: note to complain to the BellSouth abuse address. Given the actual technical acumen of the average user, BellSouth will flooded with reports that Google doesn't work. Bambifan101 will be booted within eight hours. In the meanwhile,
  talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) while the gears at SPI grind away.—Kww(talk
  ) 19:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Blocked the account. Passes the
    WP:DUCK test. Also endorsed the SPI request for checkuser. Enigma^msg
    20:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – No issue: DR Toddst1 (talk) 17:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

An editor split

This looks like a content issue, not an admin issue. Have you talked to the editor about it? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 17:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

So far, no answer from the offending editor. I will see if one is forthcoming. This is the about the same as what another editor did previously and was then reversed administratively. Because of the redirects and editing history involved, I believe only Administrators can fix this problem. Hmains (talk) 19:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

I was given a warning for Biting a newcomer by

To be fair, it might have been nice to give him more than an hour to respond to your question before you brought him to ANI - perhaps it was a misunderstanding, or perhaps you've interpreted something differently. Also, remember that you're entirely free to remove any messages, including warnings, from your talk-page at any time. ~ mazca ^talk 20:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I had to run an errand unexpectedly when this came down ... I was referring to

96

20:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

An indefinite block would be harsh. However that editor created 3 articles on blatant hoaxes. It is disruptive and vandalism. Again how is it biting to

talk

) 20:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The first article was text copied from the Wikipedia blurb that comes up when you start an article, the second and third consisted of only a signature.

WP:AGF

would say we might consider the possibility that a new user was trying to figure out how to make a page. Frankly, without any content, even if the film/game involved don't exist, we really can't know if it was a deliberate hoax, vandalism, or simply a noob trying to write about something s/he saw on a chat board somewhere.

That said, I wouldn't necessarily fault HiaB for templating the editor, but I would have hoped that someone would have had the sense to drop the editor a more personal note before the block, saying "Hey, I see you're having some trouble here. Give me a clue what you're trying to do so I can walk you through it." We would have found out very quickly that way if it was a good faith attempt at an article or a hoaxer.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

WOW ... 3 edits and then "indef" - that does seem rather harsh. I agree with Fabrictramp (and Blueboy), that we need to ease up on the

 ? 

20:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, I've worked with Mark (LHvU) before, and he's a pretty reasonable guy. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he reduced it to time served or 24 hr. —

 ? 

20:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Using {{

uw-vandal2}} if not (e.g. offensive comments added to an article). - Pointillist (talk

) 21:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

This is correct. In this case I did elevate for what could be considered bordeline edits. I do understand what the issue is now. I appreciate the time people took to comment on this situation and I will adjust my behaviors accordingly. If you'd like feel free to mark as resolved.

talk

) 21:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Someone please block User:Carmegenon.

Resolved

I first became aware of Carmegenon, when he posted this on my talk page a few weeks ago. He's not really active, but a review of the few edits he makes, shows that apparently holds a grudge against me. His edit pattern leads me to believe this is User:Jimblack (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), whom I got blocked last year. I didn't really feel like taking action, since he seemed inactive, but today I received this lovely message. Can someone please block the nuisance?--Atlan (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, it is a death threat. (

BWilkins ←track

) 21:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked indef for personal attacks.

 GARDEN 

21:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Right, thanks.--Atlan (talk) 21:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Stale

 – User:Ldsnh2 ceased participation and no new edits since 7/29, hence "resolved". Situation stable, but hard to say if it rises to level of truly resolved. Iamcuriousblue (talk) 16:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

There is an ongoing dispute over the article New York Radical Feminists over what several editors (User:Iamcuriousblue (aka Peter Werner, that is, myself) and User:Shadowjams) feel are problems with original research and editing based on unverifiable claims of first-hand knowledge of the group in question on the part of another editor User:Ldsnh2 (see note for associated accounts). The reason I am coming here rather than seeking out request for discussion or otherwise starting the mediation process is that Ldsnh2 engages in ongoing edit warring and behavior that meets most, if not all, or the criteria for disruptive editing. The editor engages in an ongoing pattern of personal attack toward other editors by name on the editors user page (User:Ldsnh2) and on Talk:New_York_Radical_Feminists. The editor continually removes citations referring to Alice Echols Daring to be Bad, a widely-cited source about the history of NYRF, based on her assertion that the book is biased and inaccurate. However, the editor's only reference for their view that the book is inaccurate is claimed personal first-hand knowledge on the part of Ldsnh2.

Since I am trying to avoid further edit warring myself, I am refraining from further editing of the article for the time being, but am seeking outside intervention.

(Note: the editor also edits under the following IP accounts: User:75.0.193.152, User:70.235.86.209, User:75.13.228.250, User:71.139.149.187.)

(This has been previously reported as

Well, User:Ldsnh2 is interesting. I'm pretty sure User:Shadowjams feels like he's in good company. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

this editor appears to lack critical wP:knowledge. he has repeatedly used an incorrect version of the {{cite}} which disigures the article ! User:Smith Jones 00:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I've deleted the user page. Attacks against other editors are not allowed here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I've also removed two sections from

WP:TALK as inappropriate attack sections and have asked the editor for comment on another section. -- Ricky81682 (talk

) 08:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't care. You can block me or not. Wikipedia has no hope of gender equity from my experience with four individuals who took issue with a New York Radical Feminists article reviewed by many other Wikipedians between November 2007 and July 21, 2009. Any more work I do toward any attempts at gender equity here is a sinful waste of G-d's time. Ldsnh2 (talk) 01:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

We are not a soapbox. If you want advocacy, go somewhere else. We are focusing on neutrality, and that is based on verifiable sources. If you cannot accept that, then I'm sorry for you. You clearly can be very helpful here, but if you refuse to work in a civil manner with others, I am not going to allow you to continue. -- Ricky81682 (talk

) 02:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Note: I've restored Ldsnh2's removal of all their comments at Talk:New York Radical Feminists here (including using an IP address). Even if they aren't always useful, removing them all isn't productive. -- Ricky81682

(talk) 02:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC) Report me to whoever, block me, ban me,, edit out things I write, edit back in things I delete, write assumptions about how you may think I may think or feel, question my integrity, expertise knowledge, research work, life experiences, whatever you want to do, whoever or whatever you are, just do it. I do not care. I am powerless over this being ganged up on by this group of men and in the bigger picture based on opinions of Wikipedia by a New York City librarian and her colleagues, whatever anyone does here on Wikipedia because of such things is not important. My or perhaps anyone's work here on gender equity issues--also because of what I've seen of unreferenced statements about living feminists that put them in a negative light and the lack of criteria for page numbers and quotation from sources in references for writings about secondary sources opinions or analysis or commentary (that is, not just simple facts like "who, what, where when" events, dates or places or the like)as required in other research work--is a sinful waste of G-d's time.Ldsnh2 (talk) 02:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Then perhaps your efforts should be directed toward helping fix such problems rather than engaging in tit-for-tat retaliatory edits, which does absolutely nothing to improve the quality of any article. Iamcuriousblue (talk) 14:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

What be a subservient grunt work "secretary" schlepping to the library to find references for the materials you and your men friends deem fit for the current NYRF article? No way! LOL! Ldsnh2 (talk) 16:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Part of being a good Wikipedia editor is willingness to do "grunt work" and sweat the details, as I'm doing right now, fact-checking the NYRF article. But in any event, my point stands – you criticize other articles for having unreferenced, problematic statements (which is essentially an

Other Stuff Exists argument) and rather than making a positive effort to make improvements, you use that as an excuse for retaliatory tit-for-tat game playing. Might I suggest you either make some positive effort to improve what you see as problems with Wikipedia or at least try and reach consensus with editors who you are warring with, or, barring that, make good on your oft-repeated statement that you're going to take your efforts elsewhere. Iamcuriousblue (talk

) 19:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

After this, they then do not care an iota about Wikipedia and have no interest in it or its further success when their work researching scores of resources is picked on and undone and replaced by a few quotes chiefly from one book. They move on and find other places to post their articles. They cannot delete their Wikipedia accounts but could if they were able to. To them, Wikipedia is at best a disappointment if not something to downgrade in discussions with their friends and colleagues. Period, end of story. My November 2007-July 21, 2009 article based only on listings of activities, dates and places, not personal recollections of any biased NYRF participant including myself, has been greatly revised also with more references and will be posted on archive.org under "radical feminism" by July 31.Ldsnh2 (talk) 20:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

...and sadly, your actions have likely done more harm than good for your cause. Wikipedia is not the place to carry signs and claim sexism, because that's a load of crap around here. Best of luck to you. (

BWilkins ←track

) 21:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

And I think, unfortunately, what you don't get is the concept of

No Original Research and the fact that much of what you continue to insist on constitutes original research. For godsakes, your version of the article claimed personal emails as a source. If you have even the most cursory idea about Wikipedia's prohibition on original research, you'd know that personal emails as a reference, and any statement supported solely by this, is not remotely acceptable. Iamcuriousblue (talk

) 21:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

One other thing, you keep insisting that your earlier version of the article was "OK'd by Wikipedians". Quite simply, it wasn't, because there is no formal "OKing" of an article, other than perhaps the kind of evaluation of an article as a

Feature Article (and I know the NYRF article has not been a candidate for either of these). Just because an article has been around for a certain amount of time without anybody raising objections does not mean its "OK'd" in any sense. Many problematic edits stay around for years before anybody a) notices them, and b) takes action. This is especially true of articles on fairly obscure topics, like this one. The kind of thorough going-over and fact-checking this article is undergoing right now is probably the first detailed review this article has ever had. Iamcuriousblue (talk

) 22:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Without such direct statements or writings from Firestone or Koedt whom I never did meet but respect and want respected, any writings about them in this or any other book and why they did this or that are just hearsay, gossip etc. and not valid information to be included anywhere including in Wikipedia. The constant use of this one book as a main resource with its based upon such sloppy research this being just one example but a glaring one in and of itself invalidates the current New York Radical Feminists article. The article should be deleted until a wider range of resources are used for a quality Wikipedia article.Ldsnh2 (talk) 22:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any verifiable, published sources at all about the supposed inaccuracies of Echols book? Or another verifiable published source that provides an account of the history of NYRF that substantially differs from that of Echols? Or is this entirely based on your first-hand knowledge, which we're supposed to take as gospel, without any way of verifying this. Once again, what part of

No Original Research don't you understand? Iamcuriousblue (talk

) 23:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

This edit and other similar edits by 94.44.4.253 are obviously being made by User: Celebration1981 in defiance of an indefinite block. This is evident by the contentious edits to the same article, Transformer, and the same sort of personal attacks within the edit summaries.

I request whatever measures needed to suppress the evasion, such as a long block of 94.44.4.253 and semi-protection of Transformer for around two weeks. --Jc3s5h (talk) 18:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll leave the IP blocking to someone else. I've semi-protected the article for 3 days, which I see you think won't be enough, but if there are problems after that I'll extend the protection.

talk

) 20:53, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP - clearly Celebration editing in defiance of his block. However there is only one edit made by that IP - any others?--VS ^talk 00:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually three edits to Talk:History of television by IP 94.44.4.235 on 24 July — two constituting a single edit. Not bad — eschewing the "Preview" button he often uploads six or more edits of the same content before he's finished. What a Wiki-world, eh? :) Rico402 (talk) 06:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Coraline II: The Door Reopens seems to be a nonexistent movie. Given the user name, which seems to be a plea for attention, and the vast and clearly nonsensical dollar sums in some of the revisions of the page (eg [40]) is this the Disney Vandal again? -- The Anome (talk) 00:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, a $110 trillion movie... maybe that's where all the money ended up from the banking crisis.

talk

) 00:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

If they are the Disney Vandal, or a DUCK-alike, can someone please block them, and any alternates they may currently have active, and revert their edits? -- The Anome (talk) 00:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this one is Bambifan, but it may be our third Disney vandal who has run around creating fake articles under some other socks before. CU might be needed to find the parent (can't remember its name, but was messing around with the Disney album articles as well) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:22, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I've deleted the article. Can I have some help in reverting the rest of their edits, please? -- The Anome (talk) 00:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! -- The Anome (talk) 01:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

•  Confirmed same user as Evncollin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Evencollins (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log); please review the contribs here. Thatcher 02:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

  Blocked and tagged. Jehochman ^Talk 03:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi—I just emptied out the FFD backlog except for two discussions which I've commented in and so would have a COI closing. I was wondering if another admin could close the discussions listed at

I've closed one of them, but would recommend leaving the other open, since there seems to still be discussion that may lead to eventual consensus occurring, even eleven days after it was listed. Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 06:31, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Please see [41]. And this is not the first time

WP:DIGWUREN sanctions for all involved.  Sandstein 

18:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't care about your wikilawyering. Whether or not this is covered by

Offliner (talk

) 18:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I see no technical 'OUTing' attempt in the provided diffs but 'personal attacks' resorting to nationality/ethnicity.----Caspian blue 19:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I think an indefinate block is completely OTT in this case.Theresa Knott | token threats 19:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I'll unblock and let the editor carry on outside policy. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Gwen, under

WP:AE for this kind of stuff.  Sandstein 

19:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

If it's of any assistance, "nationality or race" is usually considered personal information in situations where a European country has legislation relating to same, because it may form part of a set of data that allows a third party to identify an individual. This may not be the same in the US. However, a person may wish to keep their nationality/ethnicity a private matter if for example they have sought asylum and fear persecution.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Block was good as per battling along nationalistic lines, but I concur it was not outing, as per policy. After all, the editor merely needs to accidentally not login and post under an IP to divulge their country (

BWilkins ←track

) 20:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I stand by having made the block, the edits were made to drive away and undermine the editor and had nothing to do with sourcing. Call it outing, personal attacks, disruption, whatever. My action had aught to do with anything Offliner may have done that is likewise untowards. However, without consensus, there is no pith to taking an admin action and I was happy to undo it. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

As soon as someone (anyone) re-instates any length of block for the

BWilkins ←track

) 20:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I convinced her, and stand by my arguments. Theresa Knott | token threats 20:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Here is the relevant section in the AC ruling "2) Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict (defined as articles which relate to Eastern Europe, broadly interpreted) if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process." Emphasis mine.Theresa Knott | token threats 20:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I consider this to be a gentle warning from the user. Sure, it's not on the user's talkpage, but it's a responded-to warning nonetheless, so it's acknowledged. (

BWilkins ←track

) 21:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Theresa, I think you're wikilawyering and with this one-second block, being disruptive. Outing and personal attacks aren't allowed here. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Why would i wikilawyer? I have stated all along that it wasn't that I approved of his behavior only that I disapproved of a block without warning, and an indefinite block at that so that he has to plead to get it lifted. Theresa Knott | token threats 21:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Posting another persons personal information is, in my opinion, far more than enough justification for an immediate community ban. We don't need to post warnings for every offense made by an editor. This behavior should be an offense that will lead to an immediate ban, period. —Mythdon (talk • contribs) 21:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry I disagree that that a link to a policy that nobody here agrees is even applicable can constitute a warning, gentle or not. Theresa Knott | token threats 21:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I was waiting for input from the editor and would have swiftly unblocked had the editor acknowledged the behaviour and said it wouldn't happen again. Instead of asking me to explain what I had done, you mocked the block straight off and asked me to lift it, which I think was unhelpful. Now, we have someone asking for a community ban on Martintg. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:34, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

And I totally disagree with this approach. You don't block first, you warn first. Mythdon is responsible for his own sillyness not me. Theresa Knott | token threats 21:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

From

WP:BLOCK: Warning is not a prerequisite for blocking. Yes, warnings are more often than not called for but outing is a very harmful kind of personal attack. As I said, you should have asked me what I had in mind first. Gwen Gale (talk

) 21:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Can people go to jail for this kind of stuff? —Mythdon (talk • contribs) 21:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Theresa and Gwen, cut out the bickering - it's taking up Wiki resources. Mythdon, yer on thin ice around here anyway; calling for heads (and jail?! wtf) is NOT a good idea for you. The rest of you, just let this go.

Tan | 39

21:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• Two comments. 1. Why anyone believes that Offliner is a Russian national? Actually, he first edited as User:80.247.246.99 who came from Finland (see here). 2. Unfortunately, that was Offliner who demanded other users to disclose personal information [44]. Biophys (talk) 22:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• Comment The original issue was the insertion of Russian nationalist POV into the lead of
  talk
  ) 23:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• Comment to administrators: Martintg was placed on formal
  PasswordUsername (talk
  ) 05:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I've left a warning for Martintg. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. With Gwen Gale's warning, I'm confident that Martintg will stop doing this. There were some comments in this thread were about me, but they seemed mostly to miss the point completely, so I think I can safely ignore them. To others reading this as well, such as Biophys, etc.: please don't post personal information about me that I have not made public myself. (And whether or not the information is correct is irrelevant.)

Offliner (talk

) 17:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I accept the manner in which I attempted to air the issue of Offliner's nationalistic editing of Kuril Islands dispute on the article talkpage after Offliner proceeded to strip all non-Russian viewpoints from the article lead was somewhat brusque and could be construed as a borderline personal attack. However the view that mentioning an editor's national alliegence cannot be construed as "outing" appears to be unanimously held by all other admins who commented on this case here and on the various talk pages.

According to policy, making unsubstantiated allegations of egregious misconduct, and outing is particularly grevious, is also a form of personal attack designed to undermine the other editor's reputation. Offliner has a track record of filing vexations complaints on various boards and admin userpages, and has been warned about this in the past. Offliner is a veteran of WP:AE yet oddly enough he did not report

Offliner needs to be formally warned that making unsubstantiated claims of grievous misconduct is also a form of personal attack and harassment if there is to be some balance here. When this ANI report is closed I request that it be explicitly noted for the record that no "outing" had taken place. --

1. The 2008 South Ossetia war talk page is mess, and I do not read every comment by HistoricWarrior007 there. In addition, he did not claim that I was Russian - he listed me as one of three editors "who are liberal than most Russians."
2. I'm not a wikilawyer, so I don't know for sure if nationality/ethnicity is covered by
   WP:OUTING
   (or maybe I shouldn't have mentioned a policy at all, and instead let the admins decide what is most approriate), but does it really matter? Why are you wikilawyering here?
3. Instead of attacking me (again) here, couldn't you just promise not to do this again (because you have been asked not to) and move on?
   Offliner (talk
   ) 09:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)