Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive762

• "I will NOT tolerate your attempts to insert your shitty review"
• "GTFO! ... I will not allow that."

His tone when communicating with other users also leaves much to be desired [1], [2], and [3].

He and his IP's were involved in 2 different edit wars [I believe unpunished] in that article in the past 2 months and he shows no sign of stopping. Now that the protection has expired, he has again resorted to using anonymous IP's (178.138.33.54, 93.112.52.162), to avoid any sanction. All IP's are from Romania (his location) and their only contributions to the site are to reinstate his previous version of the article. The chances of two other users from the same country making the exact same edit in less than 24 hours? I think permanent IP protection for the Not Your Kind of People article is necessary. If he wants to continually revert multiple other contributor's work on the article because he doesn't feel like abiding by WP:OWN, he should have to deal with the ramifications of warring with his own account, or even sockpuppeting - instead of playing this game month after month. Or perhaps an article block for the user altogether, if deemed appropriate? Thanks. Homeostasis07 (talk) 01:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• Semiprotected the page for a week to stop the apparent IP-socking while this is discussed, for a start. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:35, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
• WP:OWN) to add EVERYTHING he wants, right? By the way, he didn't reach consensus about his recent edits. If he saw that his edits were reverted why didn't he ask for consensus on Talk Page first? If I remove his non-constructive edits, I'm the bad guy in his opinion. I'm not a vandal because I don't want to see some of his edits here. It's my right to not like his non-constructive edits. I actually tried to keep the page as clean as possible. In my opinion his edits do more damage than help build a neutral wiki page. If there is someone that must be blocked, Homeostasis07 is the one. Deepblue1 (talk
  ) 09:33, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

(More to come soon). Deepblue1 (talk) 10:30, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• Regarding the IPs: not all IPs posted by H07 are mine. I simply wasn't logged when I edited the page. Is that a problem?

• H07 said: "At one point he insinuated that another user was a paid advocate for a website, simply because the user added a negative review." Not any negative review but exactly the SAME review over and over. The reviews panel from the right was already written and it was just fine then he came with that bad review. That made me to believe that he had some interests to push that review with any price. Why so insistent? And why ALWAYS negative reviews? (I admit I'm a Garbage fan) A question for H07: why are you so insistent to add your negative edits?

• Regarding the strong language when I talked to him: he made me angry. A bit of context is needed. He used to write his opinions about the mastering of the album Not Your Kind of People on a board where I'm also member. I had some issues with him here. The admin banned him from that board for his behavior. He acted very uncivil with me and he wants respect? He's not what he seems, that's for sure.

• H07 also said: "His tone when communicating with other users also leaves much to be desired". This is tendentious. Out of context.

• In fact, I think I will also report this user to Wikipedia admins to block him for disruptive editing. He tried to add his suspicious edits and I reverted the page back to normal. That's all I've done with his disruptive edits. He was the vandal, not me. All I want from H07 is to stop sabotaging the page. Thanks. Deepblue1 (talk) 11:33, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

"Regarding the IPs: not all IPs posted by H07 are mine. I simply wasn't logged when I edited the page. Is that a problem?" When you're involved in an editing dispute, it's very much a problem. It gives the impression, rightly or wrongly, that you are editing as an IP to escape scruitiny and to dodge 3RR. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:42, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

His response only serves to illustrate perfectly the reasons why I made my original complaint. In all that mess, he has just admitted to using several different IP addresses to revert edits from different users. His excuse of simply not being logged in doesn't explain how his edits have appeared under 6 different IP's in the space of 3 months. Doesn't an IP only change once every 3 months, on average? He has clearly familiarized himself with enough of Wikipedia's rules in order to avoid sanction, but when it comes to assuming good faith, conversing politely or WP:OWN, those terms might as well not exist. Homeostasis07 (talk) 17:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

My own IP address changes every time I break/re-establish my Wi-Fi link, geolocates 300-1,800 miles away, and is highly variable; the numbers are visibly different when the closest connection is unavailable, but such randomization is, in and of itself, not negative. Dru of Id (talk) 17:24, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Wrong Homeostasis07. I have a wireless connection. Also sometimes I use other computer, or my mobile phone or go to an internet cafe (it depends). Ever heard of dynamic IPs? Also your original complaint is quite ridiculous considering your disruptive editing. I guess you already know that page is not your property to add everything that crosses your mind. On your complaint you also added various facts/opinions unrelated to your real complaint (which is: I reverted your edits) to put me in a negative light. Not cool. In fact I blame myself for not complaining here before you. The only thing that I regret is the strong language used. I'd like to know the reason why you insist to add only negative elements to the page. Just because other users didn't undo your latest edits YET, that doesn't mean you're right. It's clear as the light of the day that your edits are biased. Write some positive text for a change. Deepblue1 (talk) 19:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• And finally: now that you opened this complaint how we should solve it? Deepblue1 (talk) 19:21, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

If I were an admin, and having read your interactions above alone, I think I know how I'd be tempted to solve it ... dangerouspanda 22:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

How? I'm curious. Deepblue1 (talk) 00:13, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Something else I think should mention at this point: Deepblue1 actually used one of these IP's (77.49.254.23) to agree with himself on the article's talk page at one point. The IP used similar language (not swearing, but in their tone and general attitude) in their edit summaries, and also misused the word "destructively" in the same way Deepblue1 once did. So his excuse of simply not being logged in when sometimes editing goes out the window: this is a clear sign of sock-puppeting with IPs? Homeostasis07 (talk) 00:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• That IP is 100% NOT mine. I already mentioned before: not all IPs are mine. It was another user that happened to have the same opinion with me. According to IPLocation "IP address "77.49.254.29" is located @ Greece Messinia Kalamáta". I don't live in Greece and never lived. Plus the style of language used by that user is not my style. So, H07, don't make statements as facts when you have 0 arguments. Thanks. Deepblue1 (talk) 08:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
• To be clear: I don't know what you try to prove with this complaint H07. The reality is that you're angry that I reverted your edits. This is the #1 reason you wrote all that long complaint, lawyer-style. Not the swearing, not using "hidden" IPs [sic], not "he insinuated that another user was a paid advocate for a website" and whatever. But it's my right to revert your edits as I don't agree with them. I "peppered" also some of the reverts with some swearing hoping that you'll stop. It's your fault that you didn't ask at Talk Page for consensus for your edits. You already know that thing but you didn't do it. Right? I know that you want me to be blocked as a revenge. But if I'm blocked even for 24h I will ask also for your blocking. Because you deserve it. Deepblue1 (talk) 08:54, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

As far as your IPs are concerned, I've presented whatever evidence I could find and hopefully some sort of solution will be provided by an administrator here soon. Another user (Dru of Id) has already helpfully explained how a user can obtain an IP from "300-1,800 miles away." Your edits [whether through your own account or with your admitted IPs] are constantly disruptive. Instead of ever adding to an article, you delete other users work, citing hypocritical accusations of vandalism. In the simple case of adding a negative review, instead of deleting someone else's work up to 5 times with different IPs, it never even occurred to you simply add something of your own to balance it out? That's practically the Wiki definition of a disruptive editor. I can't recall anyone ever swearing at you, while your foul language is immediate to anyone who is ever "annoying" to you. And every little thing added to an article shouldn't and doesn't require consensus. You just have massive problems accepting that WP:OWN applies to you. Homeostasis07 (talk) 21:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• "Instead of ever adding to an article, you delete other users work, citing hypocritical accusations of vandalism." I wrote some content on Wikipedia. I wrote even 90% of an article last year and I opened few pages. I didn't delete any kind of other users work, but the negative-biased ones. With your edits you made that album to appear in a more negative light than positive. That album is one of my favorites released this year so that's the reason why I defended it against exaggerated criticism. I don't consider my reverts as vandalism but some resets of the page in the previous state. It would be vandalism if I added text unrelated to the page. Or malicious text (like you did).
• To be honest I'm sick of all this talk. I have more important things to do. From now I promise that will not revert your edits on Not Your Kind of People page. Hope that will end the issue. Deepblue1 (talk) 22:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I suspect you will still be free to edit the page when all this is done, and I have no problem with that. Any user should be free to add whatever constructive content they want to add to an article. You've always been free to add whatever relevant, positive content you wanted to. It's the constant, angrily-toned reverts from multiple IPs I've had a problem with. In order to ensure this stops now, I think it best the article be given an extended period of protection against IP edits. Homeostasis07 (talk) 00:20, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Would an administrator please close this merger proposal (Discussion here) and (initialisation here). The proposer of this merger is User:Pother who is now banned. Other editors who partipated are myself (Oppose), user:Kahastok (Support) and User:Ornaith (Support, but now also banned). The discussion leading up to the banning is [4].

May I draw to attention that the earlier deletion proposal was made by user:Kahastok, with Pother and Ornaith supporting the deletion proposal.

Martinvl (talk) 16:58, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

It seems that the evidence that they are both socks of DeFacto is contested. Secretlondon (talk) 17:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

They were both blocked by the checkuser AGK after he reconsidered his CU results.--Atlan (talk) 07:01, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Would somebody please close the merge request? Martinvl (talk) 06:29, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Would somebody please close this merger request. I believe the request to be null and void as it was opened by a sockpuppet of a banned editor. I tried to close it , but somebody else has reopened it. Martinvl (talk) 15:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

As

• Volunteer Marek, Illraute, Estlandia , as well as Piotrus - all editors that commented at the AN3 thread - are notified. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 09:51, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
• While the Gdanzig vote is in some ways an oddity from today's point of view (a straight vote determining naming usage), I don't think the consensus on the naming of Gdanzig really has changed. The compromise is easily acceptable to most German and Polish editors. Before the content decision is revisited, I would like to see examples how it does not work. (I am happy to believe that editors exist who turn Wikipedia into a
  WP:BATTLEGROUND over this, but that is a conduct issue, not an issue with the ruling of the Gdanzig vote). —Kusma (t·c
  ) 10:08, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
• Largely irrelevant is it not? Why would the vote on Gdanzig be binding anywhere else on Wikipedia? At best its a precedent for compromise. It certainly doesnt over-rule 3R and the other policies/guidelines. Trouts all round for edit-warring anyway. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

  There are various ArbCom rulings that contain binding decisions and exceptions to ordinary editing practices. The voting on conventions reminds me of Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll, which was encouraged in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Highways. I don't know if we had any recent large-scale debates of this type, but essentially you'd expect people to follow the result of a formal RfC. —Kusma (t·c) 11:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

  The "modern" approach would probably be

  discretionary sanctions as imposed in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Senkaku Islands. It may be better to just block edit warriors instead of giving 3RR exceptions. Still, the question is what best keeps the peace in this German/Polish mess. —Kusma (t·c

  ) 12:06, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:AN3. EdJohnston (talk

) 14:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I think Ed has a point about that 3RR exemption. It may have been useful at the time, as a quick and dirty measure to aid rapid enforcement of the rules when they were new, but we should make clear that the exemption is now deprecated. By the way, there's an interesting parallel to another more recent case where a naming convention was buttressed with a tweak to the reverting rules:

ARBMAC2. But here it's not 3RR that is being waived; there's a general 1RR for naming-related lameness edits, with edits that serve to restore an status quo unambiguously mandated by the community-endorsed naming rules being exempted from the 1RR, but not from 3RR. In the Macedonian case that's been fairly successful and is still working well, and it might work well for EE too, if it weren't for the fact that in many of the recent naming lameness cases where people have invoked Gdanzskxzigkc, editors on both sides were claiming the rule favoured their side. Fut.Perf. ☼

14:33, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• Gdanzig vote works relatively well, although I think it due to simple luck - the fact that that the two main revert warriors dancing around it and never creating any real content (Matthead (talk · contribs) and Space Cadet (talk · contribs)) got topic banned (from Poland and German shared history topics), and another editor associated with the area, MyMoloboaccount (talk · contribs), actually got a hint after a series of blocks and also moved away from regular reverting; some others I can think of became simply inactive. Unfortunately, this could last only as long as it took for another similar and active user to (re?)appear; personally I think that IIIraute (talk · contribs) contributions to that area of Wikipedia add nothing but reverts, but knowing that it took several years for Matthead and SC to get their topic bans, I don't expect anything to change here till at least 2015 and 5th or 6th ANI discussion involving that user.
• Now, regarding the Gdanzig vote itself... it was probably good for its time, as I think it stopped a number of edit wars, but even so, this could have been handled back then by some enforcement of the 3RR rule. 3RR rule exited back then, but we were just getting into the habit of enforcing it, as far as I can tell the 3RR noticeboard was created around the same time that Gdanzig vote was. Since then we have also developed a more general
  WP:NCGN
  . It should be enough, particularly considering that the Danzig vote was unfair from the start. Consider this: Germany has twice as much population as Poland, and there have always been more active German Wikipedians than Polish. I am pretty sure that the results of the vote were significantly affected by this, and as usual, I expect that the interest from general (non-Polish, non-German) community was not sufficient to outweigh the fact that majority of voters came from the two affected countries. I think the Gdanzig vote should be repeated, excluding editors from those two countries, or simply discarded; WP:NCGN is good enough for the rest of Wikipedia, why not for Polish-German topics? (Also, NCGN does not have the "revert exemption", which is hardly needed for such situations, 3RR has actually been enough to deal with the issue in all other situations).
• So, to sum up, I suggest that we retire Gdanzig vote, and let our regular policies (NCGN and 3RR) deal with anything that creeps up. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:22, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
• It seems the simple solution is to conduct a new RFC on the talk page to decide if the old Vote is still binding. Monty₈₄₅ 14:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

"...the two main revert warriors dancing around it and never creating any real content (Matthead (talk · contribs) and Space Cadet (talk · contribs))..."

Hm, you really can't compare the user Space Cadet with Matthead. When in 2009 I developped a first interest in various Wikipedia articles, I admired Matthead's large detail knowledge in many articles. At that time he apparantly was one of Wikipedia's top contributors. (I don't would be always of the same opinion in the talks.) A quick look, which pages he had created, stops at the possible maximum of 100 articles. For Wikipedia it's a loss, that such able editors increasingly loose interest. (As a valuable contributor you should know it.) But as a former member of the EEML list - in this case you had been desysopped and blocked - you can hardly pretend to be a neutral party. According to M.s remarks, tactics to get him and others unliked editors blocked, were one of the topics of the EEML protocols.

Regarding the Gdansk vote: It was a reasonable compromise and stopped largely chaotic edit wars. But this is only possible, when it is followed.Henrig (talk) 17:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

If the intention is to keep the decision then I would agree, it may be good to have a separate discussion confirming each of the main points.

talk

) 17:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, generally speaking the Gdansikz vote is a sensible, albeit imperfect, compromise. And it works pretty well when people apply it in good faith with common sense. Problem is that sometimes they don't. This usually happens in two cases:
  1. Applying the vote over literally in situations where it's clearly not meant to apply. Here are some examples [5] [6] (it's not quite as bad as having "Gdańsk (Danzig) Lech Wałęsa Airport" but the gist is the same). And there's more like this. Here it's really just the mindlessness that annoys, though the "territory marking" can get irritating too.
  2. Using the vote as an excuse for edit warring and reverting, in particular the erroneous and self serving belief that the vote gives immunity from the 3RR rule. As Magog the Ogre has pointed out, the Vote is an agreement between editors, 3RR is policy.

Hence overall I think the vote should be treated as "suggestions" not some kind of absolute. Common sense should trump mindless applications of the vote. Standard naming policy should apply. And it shouldn't be used as an excuse or a pretext for generally disruptive edits and reverts.VolunteerMarek 17:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• I have no actual opinion on the matter at issue & no intention of participating in any vote, but if we have a workable solution on anything involving ethnic conflict, or naming generally, it should not lightly be discarded. It is difficult enough to come to a workable conclusion about such issues once; having to do it repeatedly encourage attempts from one side or other to break consensus. The few naming disputes, the more time & energy for substantive contributions. The key to DR in general is getting it to stick. DGG ( talk ) 23:20, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• I support the solution proposed by Future Perfect at Sunrise. Talk:Gdansk/Vote does not work. It never did. To claim that it did, simply because it has been around for so long, would be a misrepresentation of fact. Productive editors have been driven up the wall and permabanned because of it. That's how the rule was kept alive. It is still being used by problem users to piss off their own perceived and imagined enemies in totally unrelated matters, often against basic common sense.[7] Poeticbent talk 03:40, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

User

Chiton - ANI is an advanced step for incidents that are particularly bad or for which dispute resolution has already failed. For normal content disagreements, it is always required for you to attempt to resolve it with the other user(s) involved, on their talk pages or the article or topic talk pages.

You might be right on the usage / expansion there, but you need to talk to Diego Grez at least, and possibly others on the talk pages for the Regions of Chile article, and determine what the best course forwards is. If you are fair and diligent about that discussion and you feel a great wrong has occurred and it's not resolved, then it can come here.

You notified Diego, please follow up on that and discuss with him in more depth.

Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 08:15, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Without comment on the current report, it should be noted that Diego Grez [8], formerly MisterWiki [9], has a long and checkered history at AN/I, and was only released from the last of his editing restriction in January. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:07, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Re this - I am certainly aware of Diego / MW's history, it doesn't seem like we have an abuse incident here on first impression, just a failure (so far) to communicate. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Diego Grez has been notified on this discussion and on the naming convention discussion. I don't see why we should wait to undo his massive edits, I can't see where he has proposed these changes and they are far to drastical and many to be regarded as trivial edits not requesting discussion first. Since he is appparently using some sort of autmatized method to edit these articles I will not manually revert all of these (which I otherwise would have done), and therefore I doing this request here. Chiton (talk) 16:20, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Chiton - Please, talk to him about it, and use the article / topic talk pages and/or his talk page. This is not the right place to bring it up unless you try discussing it in those arenas and he refused to discuss it constructively. It's not an incident now, it doesn't require administrator intervention. It just needs discussion. So please, it's your responsibility to discuss it, with him and others on those topical pages. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

If this is not the place which is the place to request a massive revertion? Note that I have already asked him to revert his massive edits. I really think he is messing up articles with overly long official names for regions. Chiton (talk) 22:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Little harm is done in reverting tomorrow, or next week, even if it looks a little ugly or is wrong today (and I don't have any stance on the problem, yet). If there's a problem, we expect and require you to talk to the other user about it. Coming here is a last resort, if and only if you went to talk to them and that failed (they would not respond or were abusive and ignored you), you went to talk to other editors on the article or topic talk pages and those discussions failed or nobody responded, etc.

Administrators aren't here to override users any time there is a content dispute of some sort. We're here for dealing with truly disruptive stuff, users abusing each other, etc. So far there is no evidence anything happened that administrators should intervene in "officially". Again - you asked him once, make more effort to talk to him. Try that for a while ( a few days ). I asked him on his talk page to please constructively and proactively engage with you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 00:08, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• This will be my only comment here. First of all, I was simply bold by doing that really hard work (believe me) to move categories, move articles, replace instances of the real, and official names of the regions. Secondly, Chiton failed to talk to me before this "incident". I don't believe ANI is the correct instance to solve problems like this. It seems to me rather a content dispute, isn't it? And thirdly, and finally, I'll make the point as to why did I move the regions articles and categories. The official names of the regions I moved are "Arica y Parinacota", "Libertador General Bernardo O'Higgins", "La Araucanía", "Bío Bío" (as used in Government websites, more often than other spellings, including "Bio-Bío", "Biobío", "Bio Bio", "Bío-Bío", and so on.), "Aysén del General Carlos Ibáñez del Campo" (original title was "Aisén", which was anyway wrong, as "Aysén" is more popularly used in Chile - consider too the case of "Coihaique", which the municipal government itself does not use. Isn't that what is called in Spanish "arcaísmo" or something?), and "Magallanes y la Antártica Chilena". I wouldn't have done all of this if it wasn't necessary. Would you spend a whole afternoon clicking a button? I don't think you would. And if I did it, it was for the reasons I aforementioned. Want references or something? I can do that, but not right now. Diego Grez (talk) 02:06, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
  • @DG: Just one question regarding a subject I know nothing about: Are there English-language
    common names for these regions? Beyond My Ken (talk
    ) 03:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• Aysén del General Carlos Ibáñez del Campo: A company which works at the region. "... will be located in the Aysén municipal district of the Aysén del General Carlos Ibáñez del Campo Region and will provide Chile ..." - Chilean journal of agricultural research versión On-line ISSN 0718-5839 "...murta has been reported from the Maule Region to Aysén del General Carlos Ibáñez del Campo Region (Seguel and Torralbo, 2004)..." (Note: Aysén Region of General Carlos Ibáñez del Campo is also used.)
• Libertador General Bernardo O'Higgins Region: Chilean journal of agricultural research versión ISSN 0718-5839 "In the dryland of the Libertador General Bernardo O'Higgins Region in Chile, most farmers rely..." Merrian Webster Geographical Dictionary (or something) - Page 977. "Rancagua. City of Libertador General Bernardo O'Higgins Region." Chile, a country study. "...the provinces of San Felipe de Aconcagua, Colchagua and Valparaíso, as well as Libertador General Bernardo O'Higgins Region and...."
• Bío Bío Region: Towards Life Cycle Sustainability Management "...and at Talcahuano port (Bio Bio region)..." The Cambridge History of the Native Peoples of the Americas, Volume 1. "...and the banks of the Río Colorado and sold in the Bío Bío region." [http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/1/59/43694606.pdf "The Bío Bío region presents a diversified economic structure that has..."
• Arica y Parinacota Region As the region is kind of "new", there are no book references which use "Arica y Parinacota Region". World Monuments Fund "However, San Pedro de Esquiña, like many other churches in the Arica y Parinacota region, is at risk." Alto Andino Nature Tours (doubt it is a reliable source, but meh) "in the transverse valleys of the Region of Arica y Parinacota (Region 15)." UNESCO "...several women’s public organizations and agencies from the Chilean region of Arica y Parinacota."
• Magallanes y la Antártica Chilena Region: Yahoo! Education "Punta Arenas, city (1990 est. pop. 120,000), capital of Magallanes y La Antartica Chilena region" InfoGlobe "The town of Punta Arenas is often tourists´destination (capital of Magallanes y la Antartica Chilena Region)."

That might be enough. Diego Grez (talk) 18:10, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I just wanted to make certain that

WP:COMMONNAME was not applicable in this instance. Beyond My Ken (talk

) 20:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I know nothing about the names of the regions of Chile, but I can observe it's quite credible that in most contexts, a region might be referred to by a common shortening of its name rather than the full official name. After all, for example, the full name of Rhode Island in the United States is "the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations," but we wouldn't write in an article "Jones was born in 1973 in Rhode Island and Providence Plantations," or list Brown University in the category "colleges and universities in Rhode Island and Providence Plantations." I suspect that this may be a similar situation, where common sense and common usage govern whether in a given context the longer-form or shorter-form name ought to be used. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

You are all invited to continue the discussion on the names of Chilean regions at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Chilean regions. However as the dispute last I would like to point out that Mr.wiki/Diego Grez massive edits should be reverted until the dispute has been solved. -Chiton (talk) 04:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I have not used the username MisterWiki for years now. Thank you. Diego Grez (talk) 15:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Ghajinidetails (talk · contribs)

I became involved with this user after he/she made several sweeping changes to cricketer articles which attracted the attention of

Thoughts? S.G.^(GH) _ping! 12:35, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) - The material mentioned is certainly copyvio and wildly

stoned

13:09, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Block proposal

I have seen some of the chaos caused by this user, who refuses to discuss and insists his way is right in every matter. I suggest an attention-grabbing block to prevent further disruption, which can become indef if the user doesn't pay attention. Proposal is one week. --Dweller (talk) 14:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• Seconded. S.G.^(GH) _ping! 09:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thirded. The user's talk page consists of a long list of warnings. The user has never made a response there. A week should be the minimum considered. EdJohnston (talk) 15:18, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

• +1. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:22, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

This editor is a SPA and has been highly disruptive, he has been blocked for sock puppetry and edit warring on the Al-Ahbash article which he kept at a stup for six years. He has taken to logging out to edit war (as he previously did as one of his socks was an IP) thus continuing his old behavior. He has violated 3RR on the Abdullah al-Harari article by using this IP sock[13] I know the IP is his as he has used it to launch two extremely unpleasant personal attacks on me. This attack shows it is User:McKhan [14] as the style of writing is exactly the same. I reported him for socking again and he responded on my talk page with this attack [15] User:Beeblebrox has blocked the IP but not the User:McKhan account, which is still editwarring on the same articles he always edit wars on. I propose a full topic ban on this user on all articles related to Al-Ahbash broadly construed. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• So is this user going to get let off with "Get off my fucking back.. You God-damn little Indian RETARD"? Will no admins step in here? Darkness Shines (talk) 15:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Would someone mind taking a look through Special:Contributions/74.118.167.134? The edit to Irina Slutsky was already deleted, but I realized that there are several to Sandra Oh and maybe some others that are pretty offensive too. The IP hasn't edited since 2007 so it's not an ongoing problem. Thanks. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 08:05, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

The most recent edit from this account was more than five years ago, and all of the edits have long been reverted. Why make an issue of this now? RolandR (talk) 13:37, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Looks like the Irina edit has been taken care of, but to answer RolandR's question- the history of that article has only recently been restored (it was deleted in 2007, then recreated a few days ago), so presumably the problematic IP edit didn't become generally visible until now. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:45, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

This. And only the Slutsky edit was reverted before I posted, User:Edgar181 just took care of Sandra Oh. There isn't a time limit on deleting revisions for BLPs that contain racist and grossly offensive comments. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 18:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

RogerThatOne72 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

User RogerThatOne72 has been attempting for a long period of time now to edit war promotional content about a certain spiritual teacher into the

These edits of Affinity909 and the subsequent reliance upon them warrant close attention. These edits are also not encouraging. Ankh.Morpork 11:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

All of my edits have been consistently backed by references. I would counter that it is actually Gatoclass who has consistently and stubbornly refused to discuss changes in the talk pages or try to reach consensus on the edits despite numerous requests to do so over 2 years [21]. These **is** clear consensus on the matter in the Talk pages with at least 5 different sources backing the facts [[22]] (see: CactusWriter | needles 21:47, 10 February 2010, TRANSPORTERMAN 21:09, 2 February 2010, Morganfitzp (talk) 21:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC), Comment added by Ycartreel (talk • contribs) 21:35, 18 October 2010 (UTC), 201.230.249.233 (talk) 18:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)levtar kaur201.230.249.233 (talk) 18:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC), in addition to Affinity909 and my own editorial contributions. - That actually makes 7 people). There is little refutation besides highly suspect and repetitive deletions by Gatoclass himself whose knowledge on the subject matter is ridiculously limited, bordering on ignorance. Meanwhile he has used his influence and knowledge of Wikipedia structures and policies to intimidate me several times with threats, and attempts to block me with acts such as this without once, ever trying to reach consensus. This is a shame to all editors of Wikipedia if it supports editors abusing their power. RogerThatOne72 (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

• WP:SCRUTINY, and of course there's the returning to the same behavior part too. I'll enform EdJohnston on my way out. —SpacemanSpiff
  17:41, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Could we get some more eyes on this article, please? I can't make heads or tails of what's going on, but there's a whole lot of content churning, reversion, and redlinked accounts popping up nonstop on my watchlist and I have a feeling something might need to be done about...something. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 16:32, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

• I left a message to the user, but this was only about their last edit (removing sourced content + edit warring). A careful analysis of the whole history is needed, and I am definitely not an expert.

Fastballjohnd (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Note- This account also has two socks, Drjohndacquisto (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Johnd34 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), plus an IP 98.167.164.178 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), which has been used for the same purpose as the main account. A sock puppet investigation[23], resulted in the indefinite blocking of Johnd34 and Drjohndacquisto and a two day block on Fastballjohnd.

Fastballjohnd has exclusively done edits involving former Major Leauge Baseball player John D'Acquisto. The editor has on more one occasion, here[24] most recently, claimed to be the retired athlete.

In the 1990's(after his playing career was over) John D'Acquisto had several run ins with the law. They are chronicled in the article with supporting references. Here[25], here[26], and here[nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=APAB&d_place=APAB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F8A15FC51053B7C&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM]. Beginning in August 2008 Fastballjohnd began editing the John Acquisto article. Part of his edit[27] was the following

He was sentenced to prison in 1996 for trying to pass off a forged certificate of deposit and was also indicted on charges of defrauding investors of about $7 million and on 39 counts of wire fraud and money laundering. In that case it was found that D'Acquisto was not responsible for any of the charges in the 39-count indictment and out of the 39 counts 37 were dropped and two were taken with no additional time, for misrepresentation. It was later found that the people who perpetrated the civil lawsuit and criminal investigations as well as the convictions against John D'Acquisto were arrested and are still serving jail sentances in Europe. The consensus is that John D'Acquisto was set up and used to cover up a larger scheme by others; according to the court documents in his sentencing memorandum [1], he never stole any money or committed fraud.

That edit was reverted[28]. In January 2009, Fastballjohnd again edited the article [29] giving a version of events that noone has been able to verify. I, and I only became aware of these edits about a month ago, have tried verifying the claims of Fastballjohnd using Google News archive, High Beam Research(which thanks to WP I have a subscription), and Newspaper Archive. My searches have found nothing verifying fastballjohnd's edits.

From Jan 2009 to May 2012 other edits were done to the John D'Acquisto article. I won't run them all down, just the highlights.

• [30] Feb 2009 claim that news article was incorrect
• [31] edit by Drjohndaquisto account putting in liks to court documents.(link is dead)
• [32] Johnd34 putting in link to google documents.(link is dead)
• [33] Additional commentary added by IP account. This was reverted here.[34]
• [35] IP blanks the part of the article referring to John D'Acquisto's legal problems. Then the IP edited in a new version.[36] Again this was reverted.[37]

It was shortly after that I got involved. Note I did make edits to the article before June 2012 but they were not involved in any way with Fastballjohnd's or his sock's edits concerning John D'Acquisto's legal problems. If you want to see them, click here[38] and here[39].

Then on June 16 2012 I became aware of information edited in by fastballjohnd and did edits here[40] and here[41]. I made one last edit here[42].

After becoming aware of Mr. D'Acquisto's edits, I brought the matter to the attention of the Baseball Project here[43] and asked[44] for WP administrator The Bushranger to advise us. Which he did[45] and he wrote As for his editing his own article, both

So I took it to the COI board and got no response[46]. As I stated earlier, I instituted a sockpuppet investigation[47]. When I did each of these, I left messages[48][49] on Fastballjohnd's talk page to notify him.

On June 29th, Mr. D'Acquisto aka Fastballjohnd responded[50] on his talk page, I wrote back one day later[51].

Fastballjohnd edited the John D'Acquisto article again[52] making claims again which I reverted because they can't be verified. I asked The Bushranger for advice again asking if I should come to ANI, The Bushranger replied[53] that he thought it had risen to that level. So I brought it here today....William 14:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

As this user has not yet been notified, I have done so. - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs) 14:53, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Now that I've done that, I want to weigh in. On the one hand, you have a whole bunch of COI edits. On the other hand, he is sourcing them; by the same principle that allows us to take sources under a paywall, we should be taking these. I guess the problem is that the COI makes it harder to just

WP:AGF and take his word for it. - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs

) 14:57, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

My apologies. I did mean to notify him but forgot. In his last edit he claims a 1999 San Diego Union Tribune article would back up what he's say. The SDTU archives are behind a pay wall and I'd be willing to put up the small amount of cash to peek at the articles but the words I used for the search don't give me much confidence that I'll find anything verifying what D'Acquisto is saying. Plus If he was exonerated, this would have made news outside the SD area. His pleading guilty made the news wires....William 15:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

His sources are always broken links or like here[54] inaccessible. Their inaccessibility I pointed out[55] to him but got no reply. He instead changed his tune to it being reported in the newspaper. It's very hard to AGF considering the COI plus broken links and shifting edits....William 16:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed remedy

I propose that all other accounts being used by Fastballjohnd be indef blocked if they haven't already, that Fastballjohnd be formally restricted to a single account (no legit alternates), and that they be banned (not just discouraged) from making edits to articles in which they have a