Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive547

• • • • • Have faith that the closing admin will take the bad faith nom into account when they close. This is distracting from the larger problems. AniMate^draw 19:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
          • Indeed...There also wasn't that much participation from the nom either and the nom statement was short and to the point. –xeno^talk 19:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
            • Note that Allstarecho has already recreated P:ASTAR which was speedily deleted just hours ago. Dismissing all of Damien.rf's actions as bad faith misses a critical element of why this ended up here in the first place. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I have to say I am thouroughly disgusted by this discussion here and at Equality Mississippi. In protest I will stop editing here. There is really no point in writing well-sourced and neutral articles on topics I am not personally involved in. Admins are apparently not willing to take steps against editors who abuse Wikipedia by creating vanity articles on their own organisation, and then revert everyone who dares to point out problems with this article. Not to mention the numerous copyright violations.

I guess that fits in the broader picture where editors who create fake articles (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Deudonic_War) and attack other editors ([3]) are only blocked for a week and not for good. Good luck in attracting good editors, when in fact everything you do is to try your best to keep the bad editors. Andrei Rublev (talk) 19:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

No one is interested in retaining counterproductive editors. Two wrongs don't make a right, though. Durova^Charge! 20:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I read through the previous ANI reports and each time the conclusion seems to have been that there were legitimate issues that were identified by Damien and that accusations of bad faith and other personal attacks were inappropriate. And here again, I see a lot of complaints in this discussion about his prolific use of fact tags (for example), but the alternative corrective action was simply to remove all the unsourced assertions. There is also a serious issue of COI and an ongoing problem of pushing and exceeding the limits of our policies for photos, copyright, etc.

I certainly understand the sensitivity felt when an editor sees their work subject to series of noms (it sucks when you're the one targeted). But I don't see any evidence of bad faith, and when there's a pattern of mistakes it shows up in the edit history, and sometimes another editor will investigate and take action.

Normally I'm a big supporter of editors going there separate ways, but in this case there does seem to be a number of problems that need to be addressed. That many of the articles involve politically sensitive issues should not be used as a cudgel to scare away good faith editors trying to appropriately enforce policies. If someone has a suggestion on a better way to handle the problems Damien has identified, they are free to suggest it. I certainly agree that delicacy hasn't been demonstrated in the handling of this matter, but Allstar hasn't responded with a high degree of civility and kid gloves either. I think we should focus on resolving the issues and sorting out which of the problems identified are legitimate and how to correct them, leaving the rest of the accusations out all together. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comment. I have little positive interactions with Damiens.rf so will confine myself to making a generalized statement that others can take in as they please. I found their editing across a handful of biography articles and at least two list articles, all about murdered LGBT people - mostly transgender folks - chilling. The seemed to prefer deleting to sourcing and set about edit-warring even when sourcing was added. Even if they are making some valid points that sourcing is needed, content needs to be NPOV, etc. Making articles into battlegrounds and targeting any minority group seems like a really bad idea and makes editing sensistive subjects toxic. This is completely counter to civility policies. This is among the reasons editors burn out and leave and prosepctive editors turn away. In a volunteer community we should be quicker to find ways to work with others, not in opposition to them.
  -- Banjeboi
  02:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comment - I have no interest in the subject matter itself, but admins should be aware that regardless of subject or editor, Damiens.rf has a long history of overly aggressive editing practices on Wikipedia. While his base intentions may be good (
  AGF
  , after all), his overall style is very hostile and disruptive. Why should this be allowed to continue?

Please consider these past incidents when making a decision on how best to resolve this issue:

[4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9].

Radiopathy •talk• 03:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comment. Here's one more to look at: [10]. (The result—"both editors warned"—was unfortunate, I thought, because Allstarecho had done nothing to warrant being warned, while Damiens.rf had been making the same disruptive edit repeatedly, not technically in violation of 3RR but certainly in violation of its spirit). That incident—wherein Damiens.rf six times in four days, against consensus and without discussion, removed an image he himself had just nominated for deletion for the second time—was my introduction to Damiens.rf. This behavior was accompanied by various other unhelpful edits to
  Violence against LGBT persons
  , including much tagging and deleting. The whole episode, which lasted several days, left a bad taste in my mouth because I had been actively working to improve the article at the time, including adding sources, and found it difficult to carry on in the face of such massive disruption.

Since that time, I've noticed a troubling pattern to his edits of articles on topics related to violence against LGBT persons, such as the murder of Fred Martinez. On May 12, he nominated the Martinez article for deletion. It was deleted (erroneously, in my opinion, since it was well-sourced and clearly notable), but what I found particularly disturbing was Damiens's conduct with regard to two related articles:

1. Shaun Murphy (murderer) was a simple redirect page to Fred Martinez. Technically, since it redirected to a deleted article, it may have been appropriate to delete it. However, Damiens's stated rationale on May 20 for speedy deletion was "Link accuses someone of murdered (sic) and redirects to deleted article." The inconvenient fact was that it didn't accuse someone of murder; it simply took as its title the name of a convicted murderer, namely the murderer of Fred Martinez. The Martinez article was properly sourced to show the fact of Murphy's conviction, so Damiens's apparent implication that there was a BLP issue was completely unfounded. I'm all for assuming good faith, and I do so every time I interact with others on Wikipedia, but I cannot imagine that Damiens thought that the page should be deleted because its title contained the word "murderer". Of course, the on-wiki evidence that Shaun Murphy was in fact a murderer had been conveniently deleted—due to the efforts of none other than Damiens. Circular logic at its weirdest.
2. Also on May 20, Damiens made an edit to LGBT movements in the United States removing Fred Martinez's name from a short list of bias-related murder victims, saying in his edit summary that he was "removing martinez since it was a normal crime" (my emphasis). Of course, it was anything but a "normal" crime—numerous reliable sources reported that Shaun Murphy bragged about killing a "faggot"—but again, the on-wiki evidence for that was conveniently erased by Damiens's own hand.

In helping to establish a pattern, it also may be worth noting that Damiens placed a notability tag on Murder_of_Amanda_Milan last fall, and said in the edit summary, "I think this crime was not notable outside local news and lgbt circles". This seems to imply that topics of concern in "LGBT circles" (whatever those may be) are somehow not worthy of article space on Wikipedia.

I have had no recent interactions with Damiens.rf and am not especially asking for mops to be wielded here, but I have been extremely troubled by these (and other) edits he made last month, and I thought it would be as well to bring them to light here. Rivertorch (talk) 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

If you want to establish a pattern, look at his block log. Once he has something in his sights, he's single-minded in his pursuit of the issue. Therein lies the problem. Guettarda (talk) 20:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of single-minded, here's something new to consider: [11]. On the plus side, Damiens.rf is opening a discussion on the talk page rather than simply tagging or deleting. Problem is, it concerns a late friend of Allstarecho (see Equality Mississippi#Founding). It strikes me as bad form, at the very least, to be singling out this one item while this ANI thread is open. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I were in the midst of an adversarial encounter with another editor, I'd stay well away from any articles relating to that other editor's off-wiki life. Rivertorch (talk) 04:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't it make sense that Damiens.rf completely disengage from that article and Allstarecho broadly construed? There seems little good coming of this and Damiens.rf, IMHO, gives every impression of baiting. I would feel a bit stressed if an editor who had been hounding me now wanted to work through the murder of a friend of mine.

-- Banjeboi

04:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm beyond stressed about it. Especially more to see he's now taken the fight to a whole nother article. Until Equality Mississippi's closing, we gave an annual award to honor him - The Jamie Ray Tolbert Equality Award. I just don't know how to source that he and I were friends, that I spent days on end driving around Biloxi and Gulfport, Mississippi looking for him/his vehicle, that I was on the local radio and news doing interviews through tears... I mean, I can't simply call beyond the grave and ask him for a written statement that we were friends. What I do know is his death is what propelled me to get off my ass and start a gay rights organization in a state that had none. I think that's notable. unfortunately, I have no way of sourcing our friendship other than the original Equality Mississippi web site when it had the full history of the organization. I'm currently culling through the now defunct site via archives at Archive.org. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 05:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

ASE, since you are using Archive.org, try looking on the local TV station websites of the stations you appeared on for a story link. They would have said in that story that you were his friend...and would be more than enough to source it. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 05:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I have and so far nothing. I've found actual pages that notate our friendship but there's the issue of self sourcing.. using the organization's web site as a source has been another complaint by Damiens.rf. See The March 15, 2000 entry here from 2002 and here from 2004. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 06:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, Damiens has a history of using (or attempting to use) Wikipedia policy as a tool for bullying - it goes well beyond simple enforcement of Wikipedia ideals and is often rigidly (and contemptuously) targeted at one thing or person. Orderinchaos 06:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

ASE, I think they are good sources and regardless of if they came from a group you ran, I think they should be added....or at least let everyone decide if they should be added on the talk page for consensus. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 06:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Damiens.rf's new edit relates to the same incident that is being discussed on Equality Mississippi's talk page. Although I don't agree with the their method of doing things, I believe that they are actually well-intentioned. I was surprised to see that there is talk of banning them here, yet no one uninvolved has attempted to discuss the issue with them on their talk page. I have left them a note, but mediation certainly isn't my strength and I am, regrettably, involved in these issues now, so perhaps someone tactful and uninvolved would like to give it a shot? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

The thread at User talk:Neutralhomer#Summit only further tells me that Damiens.rf has an agenda here.. whether it's driven because of me (the history has been shown), gay rights in general (that history of him has been spoken of as well) or the subject of the article, I don't know.. but him saying, "Mississippi State LGBT Summit" is a pompous name, and gives the reader an impression that Equality Mississippi is important. does not bode well for assuming good faith with his intentions. Statements like that make it seem as if he's trying to gut the article and then eventually take it to AfD, his final shot at me. I may be over-reacting but that's how it looks when combined with our obvious negative history. Pompous name of the summit? That was the official name of the annual summit. Based on his reasoning, a gay person shoudln't call themselves "gay" because that would be pompous.- ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 18:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

This thread is a bit too long and complex for ANI. Suggest taking to user conduct RfC. With Delicious carbuncle's comments in mind, that would offer fair opportunity for feedback and adjustment if Damiens has been acting in good faith. Durova^Charge! 18:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Respectfully disagree, we have a large number of editors pointing out a pattern of uncivil behaviour by Damiens.rf targeting and bullying other editors. Seems rather straightforward. That they tiptoe on the line of using policy to harass only suggests contempt for the spirit of civilty policies. We don't work oppositional against other editors we find ways to work with editors with whom we disagree and d so civilly. That Damiens.rf has driven away the main contributor there and seems to be tagrgetting them and we now push this issue away to user RfC which has a history of being toothless? Seems to condone wikibullying. Is that what we want? I would be content for the moment if Damiens.rf was compelled to disengage from ASE fully, and possibly put on cvivilty patrol to protect the next target, until a user RfC runs its course. While I don't personally advocate user RfC's in this case it may help to collect all this information in one place so it isn't editor X vs. Damiens.rf but the collective concern about behaviours which seem counter to collegial editing.

-- Banjeboi

21:22, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Benjiboi, you took it upon yourself to prematurely archive the thread about Allstarecho and the glory hole image shenigans. I started that thread to demonstrate that it isn't simply a question of one editor, Damiens.rf, being disruptive, but of two difficult editors colliding. Both Damiens.rf and Allstarecho have been editing Equality Mississippi today, but only Damiens.rf seems to be attempting to discuss their edits on the talk page. That article is a mess, I believe in large part because of Allstarecho's personal involvement with the subject matter. There are some very, uh, novel interpretations of WP policies on the talk page like the idea that it's ok to use only self-sourcing for claims about third-parties, or the idea that WP:BLP doesn't apply to convicted murders, or the idea that it is unnecessary to source the assertion that something is a "hate crime", or that it is unnecessary to declare Allstarecho's COI as founder of the organisation. I think I've accidentally wandered into a corner of WP where different rules apply. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

And I think it's time for you, as well, to step away because every time I've seen your name, it's had something to do with me or an article which I have edited. What is your own reason for defending Damiens.rf's actions, and lack of, ? - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 22:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I welcome anyone to scrutinize my actions in regards to that thread, which has only served to deflect from Damiens.rf's conduct, as well as anyone to visit that page and take in the spirit of collaboration being offered toward ASE. Their friend was abducted and murdered and pasrtly in response

-- Banjeboi

23:04, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I categorically reject any suggestion that I am "hounding" Allstarecho and I'd like you to strike that comment. While I don't agree with the aggressive methods used by Damiens.rf, I believe they are simply attempting to apply WP rules and guidelines. I don't think that this has anything whatsoever to do with LGBT-related issues or antipathy, but I haven't looked into their history. I don't believe I've had any interaction with them prior to a few days ago. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

And yet your edit history shows you've had very little editing anywhere else but here, my talk page and in articles related since this all started a couple of days ago. I'd never even heard of you until a couple of days ago and you've been right there behind me every step I've taken since. Just saying... - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 23:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

What is it you're "just saying"? If you, too, are suggesting that I'm

"hounding" you, please say so, rather than insinuate it. Delicious carbuncle (talk

) 23:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I've struck the comment but your tacit support of Damiens.rf plus your introduction of the glory hole non-issue deflecting from these harassment concerns suggest you do have an interest here as well. I have had many experiences with both Allstarecho and Damiens.rf. I am more than sceptical when I encounter anything from Damiens.rf and see this entire case of highlighting an issue with Damiens.rf's behaviours toward other editors which suggest a net loss for teh project as a whole. I look forward to the day when I see their name pop-up and all I think is someone doing good editing. For the record your involvement causes me a bit of concern but would likely be irrelevant if not following in the wake of Damien.rf's conduct. If you had only posted the glory hole bit it would have been dismissed rather quickly.

-- Banjeboi

00:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, contrary to what I said above about never even hearing of Delicious carbuncle, it seems we did have a difference of opinion back on May 15th where I did a non-admin closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nuvola as no consensus and in which he undid my close, even though he had !voted to delete in the discussion. Sorry for not remembering who he was. So indeed, it's even clearer now why the user is suddenly so interested in me. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 07:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

My interest in your contributions was sparked by the recent discussion here about your copyright violations. I'm sure I'm not the only editor who has been looking at your contributions since your questionable unblocking. You are welcome to believe that I am motivated by a seething fury over a minor disagreement a month ago, but that isn't the case. I am not a very prolific contributor to WP and am frequently distracted, so I tend to focus on one or two issues at a time or else I will lose track of things (thanks for reminding me to take that AfD to DRV). I am upset by the insinuations in this thread that I am wikistalking you and Benjiboi's thinly veiled implication that I am somehow anti-LGBT because I think WP policies shouldn't be ignored. Why are you attacking me instead of filing a user conduct RfC about Damiens.rf's actions if that is the issue here? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll support that Delicious carbuncle is an editor who follows copyright violations, as I've run into them in other copyright-related discussions. I think that it is a stretch to think they would be holding a grudge because of one 'conflict' as described by you. I think that however reprehensible Damiens.rf's words are, I think you're way too close to the article subject and an incredibly good example of why we have COI guidelines. Syrthiss (talk) 13:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

The COI issue is making task of fixing Equality Mississippi extremely frustrating. Every edit I do seems to be reverted, and when I take it to the talk page, the discussion never develops about the content, and goes down to personal comments and attacks (see Talk:Equality Mississippi#More reverts for the most recent). It's like they're trying to "win" the article ownership by exhausting our willingness to apply our most basic policies (like RS V and BLP). --Damiens.rf 16:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Back to the subject

Is there any interest in addressing what seems to be Damiens.rf's

• Definitely. After this post where Damiens.rf actually says "that it's good for him that people believe he was a friend of a poor victm of terrible homophobic killers". GOOD? WTF! That shows how low Damiens.rf is willing to go to take a shot at ASE on something that is being rehashed all over again...the murder of one of ASE's friends. Damiens.rf actually has the balls and gull to say that it is good for people to believe ASE and his friend were really friends to, what...better ASE's cause? Who knows. Damiens.rf needs to be alot of things I can't say here, but what we can do it topic ban him from this article and anything ASE comes near. Also, Damiens.rf needs to get some damned sensitivity training (does Wikipedia offer that?) because when one says something like he said...the boy is obviously messed up in the head. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 12:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Insensitive? Yes. Valid? Afraid so -- that is grounds for a COI. I think he's wrong in claiming that numerous interviews mentioning their friendship isn't citeable, though.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I believe that accepting the phrase "Numerous television and radio interviews with Renaldo after Tolbert's disappearance noted they were friends" as a reliable and verifiable source may be a dangerous precedent. --Damiens.rf 17:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Just a note that it wasn't me who put that in there. I don't, however, feel I should have to provide some sort of source for a friendship. As can be seen from Archive.org's archives of the organization's web site, it can be sourced to that web site if it just has to be but sourcing a friendship certainly isn't necessary. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 17:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Am I correct in my understating that you were the author and main maintainer of the web site you want to use as a source? I believe it can be done as long as we use the wording you provided here[12]. --Damiens.rf 17:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Main maintainer in so much as I had to sign the check to pay the monthly hosting bill. I wasn't the only one that contributed content to the organization's web site however. But I guess you'd need a source for that statement as well... - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 17:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, right. Was hazy on the exact wording -- I'd require at least one of those to be linked, but wouldn't stress about mentioning the others without specific cites.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:24, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

As long as these "interviews" aren't simply videotaped version's of ASE repeating his statement, it would be surely ok. But at this point, maybe the best solution is to use ASE's suggested wording (see above). --Damiens.rf 17:43, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Intervention needed

Things have gotten waaaaay out of hand over on Talk:Equality Mississippi, with statements like "You should be blocked, banned, tarred, feathered, and sent to the gallows for the way you have acted". Can someone please stage an intervention before people get hurt? Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

NeutralHomer blocked for 1 month. His previous gross incivility block was also 1 month, so if anybody wants to raise it higher than this, please, be my guest. I didn't block Damiens at this time, because none of the diffs I scrolled through approached that level.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:37, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Unblock requested. I'm unfamiliar with the circumstances leading to the block (beyond seeing the edit in question and agreeing that it was completely unacceptable) but I'd regard the unblock request as contrite and genuine. Disclaimer: Neutralhomer is an editor I've worked with and respect. Cheers,

propaganda_deeds

16:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Neutralhomer has a rather lengthy block log for disruptive edits and incivility. While I am willing to AGF in that he sincerely intends to "behave" I am not sure his track record indicates he will be able to abide by his own word; I for one am unwilling to unblock. The level of incivility being displayed here is shocking and not a one-off accident - this user should know better by now and is demonstrating that they do not, best intentions aside. Shereth 16:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

His last block was over a year ago - March 2008. Just saying.. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 16:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

In light of his apology in his unblock request, I propose shortening the block to 24 hours. Remember the purpose here; to prevent further disruption. I think that his agreement and a day of cooling off (yes, I know) will be sufficient.

Tan | 39

17:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

A shortened block would be acceptable - 1 month is fairly long and it has been a while. Shereth 17:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Juliancolton has shortened it to 48 hours and NH has struck his comments via proxy. –xeno^talk 17:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Grr, that's the second time you beat me to it. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please semi-protect the page? --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 16:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi could you please help me out - somebody - by deleting my account User:JohnnyTurk888 as soon as possible as per the request on my Talk page. I have had enough of editing and would like the account deleted. Thanks, JohnnyTurk888 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.216.77 (talk) 11:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Since the above message came from anon User:121.44.216.77, I would recommend not deleting that account (not that it can be done) and a checkuser be performed. Something's fishy. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 11:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I have

assumed good faith and shown the IP the template to use as they asked me on my talk page, but not knowing or ever interacting with the editor if Neutralhomer believes something is afoot then maybe caution should be observed. BigDunc^Talk

11:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be just someone who forgot to sign in. A red flag shot up for me when I seen this and the user has flipped to IP 118.208.216.120, which to me raises more red flags. Before the account is deleted, a checkuser should be performed just to make sure that the user is who they say they are. With new edits by both IPs and User:JohnnyTurk888, it shouldn't be hard. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 11:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like it has been deleted already Avatar 06349 (talk) 11:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh well, still think it raised red flags, but I guess for someone it was OK. Carry on. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 12:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

But...you can't delete accounts.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm having a lot of trouble getting my account "vanished", I'm not signed in because I'm blocked, can you please help me out. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong procedurally, no idea what though, so I feel like a total fool who just wants my account deleted. Please do a technical check, I'm definitely the account owner and I want it shut as soon as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.167.101 (talk) 12:13, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Par

WP:RTV it requires an administrator/bureaucrat to truely vanish. However, as the RTV policy states: "Users in good standing may request to leave Wikipedia permanently". Seeing two blocks, and one being currently active, i would say that you are not leaving in good standing. Due to this i don't think you still have the right to vanish - see:The right to vanish might not be extended to users who have been abusive or disruptive, who left when they lost the trust of the community, or who have been banned. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs}

) 12:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• (ec)Looks like some may be incorrectly viewing
  WP:RTV. --70.246.153.153 (talk
  ) 12:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's User:Johnnyturk888. See also User_talk:Gwen_Gale#Hi_Gwen_Gale.2C_please_delete_my_account. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the above, I think my edits and conduct while not perfect has been impeccably polite and good natured. I hope I am indeed in good standing. I just wish to be deleted. If a "dev" can delete my account, I would ask to be vanished now, I can assure you I won't be changing my mind in 30 days, I want out. Specifically my edits have not been abusive, disruptive nor have I been banned unless that includes a block. I find it hard to comprehend why deleting the account should wait.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.167.101 (talk) 12:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Diffing trough 20 or so random edits i won't oppose a vanish request - just in case someone interprets my above statement as an opposition to this request. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 13:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Just to reiterate Johnny - we cannot delete your account: it is a technical impossibility. Fritzpoll (talk) 13:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

But it says a "dev" can do this. If this could be put on an action list, even if not immediately possible, I would be most appreciative and will feel my efforts to terminate the association have not been in vain. I don't wish to be unreasoned about it at all, I just don't understand the tardiness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.167.101 (talk) 13:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm willing to indef block and RTV this user now if there's a consensus to do so. Otherwise, I've been wary of doing this for a user who today has 25 days left on a block, has edit warred over his talk page and has evaded the block with dynamic IPs. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:14, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I cannot thank you enough Gwen Gale, I really do appreciate this and I hope my request has not provided inconveniences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.167.101 (talk) 13:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• If you really are Johnnyturk888, I have unprotected your talk page. Log in to your account and post a request for a name change and RTV. You can choose a new name or have the bureaucrats pick one (usually "Renamed user 13" or some such). I won't get into what developers can or can't do by manually editing the database, as a legal and practical matter, accounts are never "deleted" but may be renamed. However, you should also be aware that even though your account will be renamed, all the talk pages you signed will still have your old signature, such as [14], and in the future the diff would show that "Renamed user 13" signed his name as "Johnnyturk888", so it will be quite easy for a determined person to figure out the name you used to have. "Vanishing" is an imperfect concept at best. Another alternative is simply to reset or scramble the password to your account, blank the user talk page, and stop editing. Whichever you choose, please be aware that it is not acceptable to simply create a new account and resume editing in order to avoid your past history. There is no technical means to prevent you from doing that, but if you are discovered, your accounts will be tied together and you will be held accountable for your past. Thatcher 14:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

New user

here's another tagged violition of copyrights.

talk

) 13:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I managed to salvage one of his articles (Cemetery of the Holy Rood), but this one, as well as Queen of All saints Cemetery, which was previously deleted twice as Queen of All Saints Cemetery, had no salvageable content beyond the copyright violations. All three followed the same pattern: copy/paste from the cemetery's official site, copy/paste from various sections of Cemetery, and a bunch of unnecessary ELs. I find it odd that crat UninvitedCompany (talk · contribs) declined a G12 speedy on the grounds that the person asserted copyright ownership on the talk page. If there was OTRS correspondence which I have no visibility to, I'd greatly appreciate if this was disclosed. KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

talk

) 13:41, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

←Since he implies permission, I have converted the speedies to copyvio and advised him at his page how to verify. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, but I see that another administrator has deleted one anyway. I'll point him to this conversation. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

So we still have conflict of interest problems too?

talk

) 13:43, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Quite likely. It's mentioned in the template on his page. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

←(e/c) Notwithstanding all of that, I can't find any indication that Holy Sepulchre in Coram meets GNG. We managed to salvage Holy Rood on the grounds that it has several notable internments and some RS coverage. I find one notable internment for Holy Sepulchre, Edgar A. Sharp, and no RS coverage. KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Queen of All saints Cemetery had no assertion of copyright on its talk page the way Holy Sepulchre does. KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't need to. An assertion of permission is an assertion of permission. Incidentally, I presume you didn't notice that you were removing that assertion when you blanked the off-topic conversation, but it's important to allow on-topic material to remain. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, my last comment was in response to your previous comment on the deletion of (I presume) the Queen of All Saints article by SarekOfVulcan (talk · contribs). To elaborate, I fail to see how Sarek should have known that Encyclopeter was asserting copyright on the Queen of All Saints article with a note on the Holy Sepulchre talk page. KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

While I haven't accused Sarek of any wrongdoing, it said so in my edit summary: "permission asserted elsewhere; cp". I'm sure he simply overlooked it. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Didn't understand what you meant there until I read it again on the other article. If I hadn't speedied it as a copyvio, though, I would have as A7, so same effect. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah. I didn't mean to be oblique. :) It took me a few extra minutes to finish communicating with the contributor because the template I left him had to be updated to reflect the licensing change. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

My main concerns can be handled on the talk page, but to go over the most serious after the copyright vio, the ads are not nuetral, they attempt to sell a catholic burial to you.

talk

) 13:50, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to write articles about a company you work for? I researched the individual with a google search.....and the ccce he cites is apparently.

Catholic Cemetery Conference (CCC) www.catholiccemeteryconference.org Member of the New York State Association of Cemeteries (NYSAC). www.nysac.com

It's not uncommon for there to be multiple issues with copied material, but if the contributor truly can verify his connection to the original source, then his placement of text here is not a copyright violation (though we must treat it as such until he does verify). You might want to proceed under the assumption that he can and will verify and address other issues in the same way that you would if the text were not pasted from elsewhere, but had been created specifically for Wikipedia. It is discouraged, but not forbidden to write articles about a company you work for, as long as it is done within policies & guidelines, per

WP:FAQ/Organizations. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk)

14:02, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree. :) I generally try not to mix up copyright matters with other matters, but it's not unusual for me to list an article at

WP:COIN even if permission has been granted. In this case, I haven't even read the text. My focus was solely on your opening question about copyright vios. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk)

14:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Assuming he does verify ownership of the copyright and release it, we still have issues of

WP:N and WP:ADVERT. I can take a stab at writing the Holy Sepulchre article from scratch and with NPOV, the way I did with Holy Rood, but I doubt it will pass GNG. KuyaBriBri^Talk

14:13, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

If it's not notable, an AfD might be appropriate. I've seen more than a few articles at CP up on AfD at the same time for general principles. Of course, if it's pure spam, it can also be deleted under

WP:CSD#G11. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk)

14:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Well I salvaged one of his articles so I thought I'd give a shot at another. Talk:Holy Sepulchre Cemetery (Coram, New York)/Temp. KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I tend to suspect that your version is more appropriate either way. If we don't get permission, his should be deleted and yours put in place. If we do, yours should probably be put on top until other issues are addressed in his text. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – blocked indef by J.delanoy - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 15:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if this is the wrong page a person called User:Shitipedia is going around adding links to S&M sites. 41.245.176.115 (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 15:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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WP:UAA, all the best Spitfire^Tally-ho!

15:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Angusf27 (talk · contribs) was blocked for this behavior in January, but shows no signs of having altered his approach. Looie496 (talk) 18:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Wuhwuzdat pushed, responded, gently advised Toddst1 (talk) 01:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Sirs,

This gentleman has been very rude to me ever since I signed up for wikipedia, at first deleting everything I type, now searching me out and again threatening me. He has now used profanity.

The following threat was left on my talk page, I do not believe I have been a "bull in a china closet". Please Help

If you continue on your current course, acting like "a bull in a china shop", you may end up feeling unwelcome, in more places than just my talk page. Wuhwuzdat (talk) 21:28, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Your most recent postings have been deleted as well. I do believe you failed to take the hint when I told you to stay off my page previously, so let me put it in plain, ordinary RUDE English...FUCK OFF!!!!!! 23:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC) What part of FUCK OFF were you unable or unwilling to understand??? Feel free to answer me here, and NOT ON MY TALK PAGE! Wuhwuzdat (talk) 00:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC) This is the latest post:

Isn't this baiting?

Please helpDfwaviator (talk) 00:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I think you just frustrated the *&%# out of him by

WP:Hounding him on his talk page after engaging in the edit war that got you blocked. Toddst1 (talk

) 00:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I do believe Toddst1 has summarized the situation quite admirably. Wuhwuzdat (talk) 00:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Left Wuhwuzdat a note on his talk page (though he appears to have gotten here just fine without it) about losin' his cool. Should be the end of it, eh? lifebaka++ 00:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Just to put things in context, Dfwaviator omitted an important line when he quoted me above. In context, the quote should be: "If you stop bashing every other editor you meet here, you may find that Wikipedia can be a nice place. If you continue on your current course, acting like "a bull in a china shop", you may end up feeling unwelcome, in more places than just my talk page." I was attempting to give him helpful advice. I shall refrain from trying to give this user any helpful advice in the future, as I feel he would continue his current course of disregarding anything I have said to him. Wuhwuzdat (talk) 01:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

The user posted an essay on his talk page: User_talk:Dfwaviator#Chip_on_the_shoulder..... WhisperToMe (talk) 02:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Admin/User:Toddst1 shows this as resolved, it is anything but, and far from being resolved. As noted by numerous other editors Admin/User: Toddst1 is known to abuse his admin privleges, and in this case is encouraging another editor (with aspirations of being an administrator) to abuse and attempt to turn people off to Wikipedia unless they conform, and submit to their ideas and opinions. The editor user"Wuhwuzdat is not afraid to use profanity, and is in clear violation of WP:CIVIL, and this is not the first time. He/she did the same thing a couple of weeks ago, dropping the "F" bomb on a talk page at me. I respectfully request that a neutral Administrator look into this, and read my other complaint on this talk page and see that I am, in fact in good faith trying to correct a very bad article, written in poor taste, with non-factual information, not to mention information from copyrighted sources and simply leave it with the corrected facts. Thank you in advance for your assistance, and time. Also, considering the nature of the WP:CIVIL violation by user:Wuhwuzdat, a bit of a rest might be in order, and would not be punative, but constructive to allow a bit of a cooling off period, and allow me to have a good faith opportunity to contribute without constant reverts an threats from this user (Wuhwuzdat). Again, thank you. Dfwaviator (talk) 02:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

No, this thread is resolved, it was about a specific thing. If you want to start a thread about Tod's supposed abuse, then go ahead and do so, but I can guarantee you won't get far with it.

Secondly, the above constitutes a personal attack, which is, I'm sure you know, against policy here. Either back up your accusations with specific diffs, or withdraw the comment. I'm remarking this resolved.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 19:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

This is an article of current interest. The Food and Drug Administration just ordered the manufacturer of Zicam to stop marketing it due to health hazards. This is supposedly a homeopathic remedy, and some pro-homeopathic editors keep trying to tone down the article, changing "Product withdrawn from sale after warning letter from Food and Drug Administration" to "Criticism", for example. Please watch. Thanks. --John Nagle (talk) 16:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

• Well, it's certainly not homeopathic in the real definition of the word, since homeopathic remedies have the "active" ingredient diluted to undetectable levels. Zicam is a natural or "naturopathic" remedy maybe. Thatcher 20:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

• That's more of a content issue. One editor continues to try to tone down the FDA warnings. I quoted the actual FDA warning letter, which can be summarized as "stop selling it immediately or else". The story is all over the mainstream press. --John Nagle (talk) 21:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

• I'd wondered why Zicam had such strong defenders on Wikipedia. It may be because Rush Limbaugh endorses and is sponsored by Zicam.[15]. He defended Zicam and attacked the FDA on his radio show yesterday.[16] A new anon is now trying to tone down the FDA warning. Protection isn't necessary at the moment, but please watch for the next few days. Thanks. --John Nagle (talk) 06:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• I have yet to see a nostrum so obscure that it lacks a single-purpose account to promote and defend it on Wikipedia, so I don't think we can blame Rush for the problem. At least Zicam is covered by actual reliable sources, making it much easier to deal with encyclopedically than, say,
  pleomorphism, or live blood analysis... MastCell ^Talk
  19:13, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

He is also engaging in edit warring on the Bobby Fischer article despite encouragements by other users to reach a consensus before adding material, I ask that this user be blocked for his disruptive behavior.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 20:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I have not deliberately mislabelled any edits. (Note that

WP:3RR

.

Philcha, Brittle heaven, and I have all civilly and rationally addressed this dispute on the Talk page for the article. 194x144x90x118 is now the only one arguing his/her side of the issue. He/she has responded in an abusive and profane manner, keeps repeating the same points, and has made no effort to reach consensus. Here are some sample quotes from 194x144x90x118:

"If you were to invade my storage facility then you'd find guess what? An original copy of Mein Kampf printed in Germany in German but guess what I aint no fucking anti semite either and I don't even speak German so how could that be possibly relevant?"

"If Fischer was SO! antisemitic and against jews then he would have put a gun in his mouth and rid the world of the jewish that he saw in the mirror. Ok it's time that I dug up something which PROVES!!!! beyond the shadow of a doubt that fischer was in fact Not! antisemitic."

"Let me also say, I aint no expert on Fischer either, I did however have the honor of meeting the man and having a short conversation with him and I like many other people am a pretty good judge of character, hatefull bigoted people Do in fact exist but Fischer wasn't one of those people by a long shot, he may dislike certain things regarding Jewish culture and Jewish politics but he obviously didn't give a fuck if your great granddad was a jew or not cause how exactly would he have lived with himself if he did?" Krakatoa (talk) 21:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Just like Krakatoa was mistaken about me being an anon he is also mistaken about me having violated any 3rr rule since that rule states "Contributors must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period, whether or not the edits involve the same material, except in certain circumstances." As well as some other things but I'll repeat "more than three reverts" and he and the other stooges are also extremely wrong about that edit of his belonging on Wikipedia. He has twice mislabeled his edits, is engaging in edit warring instead of trying to reach a consensus and making false accusations. This user needs to be blocked.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 21:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I was mistaken about the 3RR rule, which is violated only by more than three reverts in 24 hours. 194x144x90x118 made three reverts in 9.5 hours, but has not violated this rule. My apologies. 194x144x90x118's reference to Philcha, Brittle heaven, and I as "stooges" is a further example of his abusive remarks, which violate

WP:CIVIL. Krakatoa (talk

) 21:22, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Please see these diffs 1! and 2! they show the disruptive behavior of editing a previous edit that has already been replied to, thereby making the discussion harder to follow. And also disrupting the timeline of this ANI thread.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 21:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

194x144x90x118 has now threatened me on my Talk page, demanding, "Withdraw your support for your own edit on the bobby fischer article and never show yourself anywhere near it again." He has stated, "one more revert or one more supporting comment on the talkpage will be taken as a rejection of this offer and will have consequences." (See below.) To say the least, I do not regard this user's threats against me as consistent with the spirit of Wikipedia. Editing disputes are supposed to be resolved through reason, not blackmail. These threats appear to violate Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Incidentally, I have about 15,000 edits, have been the editor primarily responsible for two Featured Articles, First-move advantage in chess and George H. D. Gossip, and have done more edits on Bobby Fischer than anyone else. Krakatoa (talk) 13:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Here are 194x144x90x118's statements on my Talk page, verbatim:

This is basically the deal, you were wrong, the consensus is against you, a larger consensus is going to form and the edit will not stand. I have also taken a look at other instances in your edit history and it seems that much of your work here on wikipedia has been somehow misguided. You have two options, A. Face a full review and scrutiny of your work here on wikipedia that will lead to other article changes that you've made being reverted or B. Withdraw your support for your own edit on the bobby fischer article and never show yourself anywhere near it again. I await your response.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 10:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Note that one more revert or one more supporting comment on the talkpage will be taken as a rejection of this offer and will have consequences.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 12:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I see from 194x144x90x118's Talk page that the above is par for the course for him/her, indeed even on the mild side by his/her lights. Most relevantly, 194x144x90x118 wrote the following at the bottom of his/her Talk page:

Man I was like thinking, "hmmm maybe it's a good idea to start taking one of my sons to chess lessons and such" but WOW I'm like engaged in this edit dispute with these total fucking morons over on the Bobby Fischer article and those fucking losers well they're obviously chess people and well how did they become this way? Perhaps Chess is dangerous and damaging.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Also I'd like to comment that I don't know this wikipedia stuff is addictive and time consuming and such and it's a real shame that one has to deal with such ignorant people while editing this online dictionary.--194x144x90x118 (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

To state the obvious, calling myself and other members of WikiProject Chess (he is evidently referring to Philcha and Brittle heaven) "fucking morons", "fucking losers", and "ignorant" is a flagrant violation of WP:No personal attacks. Krakatoa (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

comment I haven't followed the edits, but I am familiar with editors Krakatoa, Philcha, and Brittle Heaven, and they are all good editors in my opinion. Bubba73 (talk), 21:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyone willing to bandy about phrases such as "fucking morons" is not prepared to work in a collaborative environment. 194x144x90x118, if you continue to talk about other editors this way, we shall block you from editing, no question. Cut it out. Participate here as a dignified adult, or don't participate here. Do not engage in personal attacks. You may consider this a final warning.

You may also be assured that if any other editor is talking about you in a similar manner, they will receive the same response. This is the kind of thing we don't put up with. Understand this.

Furthermore, if you find yourself arguing over whether you have or have not violated 3RR, then you're definitely edit-warring and you should definitely stop. The three-revert rule is not a privilege; it's a line you should get nowhere near. The point is to be the editor who is discussion-oriented, collaboration-oriented, and the first to stop reverting when you realize there's a dispute. -GTBacchus^(talk) 21:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Johnpacklambert has again begun altering birth and death cats for hundreds of individuals, putting in specific birth or death year cats for individuals whose years of birth or death are unknown. See User_talk:Johnpacklambert#Please_stop for an earlier incidence of such behavior. Please ask this person to stop, and to roll back his mistaken edits. We are an encyclopedia, and if we have specific birth or death year cats for individuals whose years of birth or death are unknown, it undermines our credibility. Thank you for your attention to this. Badagnani (talk) 01:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Previous ANI thread at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive410#User_adding_thousands_of_many_improper_possibly_incorrect_year_of_birth_cats. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 01:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

The previous discussion didn't seem to come to a definitive conclusion; I would say that there was a majority view that without sources determining dob/dod from key events in a subjects life was either OR or SYNTH, but was somewhat muddied by side issues. My feeling is that the practice should not be followed unless there is a definitive consensus - via RfC or similar - that it is appropriate to do so. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

SallyFord (talk · contribs) is proving to be a contentious editor on many articles since her first edit in February 2009. First she shows up to the article of an anime podcast, Anime Pulse, calling for its deletion. While at first her edits were reasonable. Based on this statement where she makes some remarks about how Internet Archive Way Back Machine is unsuitable for a reference, she states that she hosts a rival podcast.[17] As time when on, she became more hostile towards the article, including removing content [18] and later adding a term to describe the podcast's hosts that could be taken as derogatory towards the hosts,[19][20], and removing references.[21][22]

She then moved on to other articles where she has repeatedly edit warred over content, including Amber MacArthur[23][24][25][26][27][28], People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals[29][30][31][32]3RR, and more recently on Honey in the Rock,[33][34][35][36]3RR warning, and Naruto Uzumaki.[37][38][39][40]3RR warning[41][42][43][44][45]

SallyFord also has made several comments and edit summaries that are hostile towards other editors she disagrees with and even several personal attacks. (Calling another editor's writing "shitty", civility warning. Calling another editor a "chicken butt", NPA warning. Declaring another editor has a COI without any evidence. Reasserting COI claim after the other editor refuted it. Reasserted COI claim after a second editor refuted it. Claims that the other editors are gaining up on her and referencing a mysterious "UpDog" policy. Claiming other editors are on power trips for opposing her edits, second reference to "UpDog" policy which she claims is a Wikipedia policy. Third reference to mysterious "UpDog" policy) --Farix (Talk) 03:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like you need a tissue. Cry much? Can I say that? Or a personal opinion is not allowed? Every edit I made has been refuted aggressively for no reason and I'm the guilty one? If anything, I was only retaliating from bullying from power tripping editors. If I can't make a simple edit without some miffed editor and his/her buddy unnecessarily cracking down on legit edits then there is something definitely wrong with Wikipedia. Just because you don't agree with an edit does not mean it is vandalism or an attack on you and you have to call in all your friends to threaten me. I did not call another editor a "chicken butt", it was a joke I heard that I pleasantly shared. And as far as hostility, let's review your hostility with me first. If I were you, I would withdraw these accusations unless you're squeaky clean yourself. And believe me you are not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SallyFord (talk • contribs) 03:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Everything you just said is incivil. Please address what Farix has stated above: the diffs, the edit summary, your messages, and whatnots. And I do not see any thing wrong with Wikipedia right now. Piece of advise, do not compound your problem with judgment error. ax (talk) 03:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

You really need to tone down the personal attacks, Sally. You're skating along the edge of block-on-sight, and I say that as someone who has never even edited a page that you have, besides this one. No "you need a tissue", "shitty writing", or anything like that. Got it? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Got it? Is this a threat? Please enough with the threats. Personal opinion does not equal incivil. I can't voice a personal opinion here? The reviewer just has to review Farx history to see the personal attacks against me - very simple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SallyFord (talk • contribs) 04:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, there is an indelible division between personal opinion versus insinuation and incivility. Secondly, you should have known by now the distinction between warning and threat. You have been warned on your talk pages several times using Wikipedia's warning template, the one that is used to every editor, and what we said above is not a threat. ax (talk) 04:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I second TheFarix's summary. Her edit warring was reported to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring‎#User:SallyFord reported by User:Collectonian (Result: more info) but as she technically has not done 4 reverts on the exact same issue, the report appears to be going no where (and the issues are expanding beyond just edit warring). Despite this new discussion, she has also continued edit warring at Naruto and using continued "snarky"-style edit summaries, such as "fixed some stuff. Please don't be offended" and "added a space. I hope this edit is okay and not offensive. Please let me know." Her responses here are typical of the responses received in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#Need third opinion where the issue of her edits at Anime Pulse were first brought to wider consensus. For some reason, she also continues to refuse to sign any posts in discussions, despite numerous requests on her talk page to do so. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

SallyFord apparently feels the need to hunt through the contribs and user pages those who disagree with her and attempt to vandalize and/or nitpick articles they work on. With the start of this thread, she began introducing factual errors to Blood+, an article noted on my user page as one I've worked on. It has been reverted three times, twice by myself, once by another editor, and she has received appropriate warnings, but continues ignoring them.[46] She has received through level 4 now, and still reverting[47][48] to a false version. As this thread would preclude an AIV warning, I've requested page protection, but this continued disruptiveness needs to be stopped, please. As noted above, this is the same disturbing behavior she displayed with TheFarix. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

As Collectonian said above, SallyFord is now knowingly violating 3RR (currently at 5RR) after having been warned less than 24 hours ago not to violate the policy, all on an article she hadn't touched before Collectonian's report above. She seems to be trying to make a

point here, and should be probably given a few hours to think it over. Dayewalker (talk

) 04:41, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Sally did the same thing at Honey in the Rock, which is why I originally called her contentious editing there as "retaliatory". The only reason she went to that article was because I have it listed on my userpage as and article I created. And this right after I reverted her edit removing reference on Anime Pulse and speedy tag on Geeknights. --(not quite in bed yet) Farix (Talk) 04:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• I've blocked SallyFord for 24 hours for edit warring at Blood+ (5 reverts before engaging at the talk page, followed by a 6th revert). I'm off to bed, so if consensus emerges to unblock any admin may feel free. –xeno^talk 04:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

  Note that Collectonian has made about 5 reverts as well, technically edit warring, but if this was borne of wikistalking as the above claims then a block may not be appropriate. I don't have the energy to figure that out so would hopefully another admin can take a look and decide. –xeno^talk 04:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

My 5 cents, if the edit is considered vandalism, i.e. giving misinformation, a revert is warranted. Cartoon Network is being changed to Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, which is not politically correct because the latter is not a channel but a programming block. There is a concensus a long time ago that Cartoon Network is to be used. Ow, have a nice sleep Xeno! ax (talk) 05:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Looking at it more closely, I'll decline to place a block on Collectonian but would advise them that they were treading close to the line - though, since SF was edit warring to introduce a red-link, it could arguably be considered vandalism. The stalking allegation is also a mitigating factor. –xeno^talk 05:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Good call, Xeno. It looks to me like an account that thrives on conflict and disruption, and who was more than willing to get in trouble if she was able to take other editors with her. For what it's worth, I was also trying to revert SF's edits and get her to stop and talk, but Collectonian beat me to it every time. I didn't want to say anything on C's talk page for fear of feeding the Ts. Dayewalker (talk) 05:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Advisement noted, and yes, I was considering it vandalism since it was a factual error and red linking. In other places she was making less than helpful edits, I avoided 3RR despite her edit warring, since she wasn't vandalizing just being contentious and annoying. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:12, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

As a technical note, Adult Swim is officially a separate network that shares a cable feed with Cartoon Network; the two were split on March 28, 2005, so that they could be treated separately for ratings purposes. Changing to Adult Swim may be justifiable, but changing to Cartoon Network's Adult Swim wouldn't be justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. Still, if consensus is to use CN instead of AS, then the links shouldn't be changed... rdfox 76 (talk) 12:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

KrebMarkt's opinion: Sorry to join this late this discussion. I'm in France. I concur with Farix & Collectionian. As the discussion in Manga/Anime project went to nowhere [49], i don't feel restrained anymore to revert any dubious SallyFord (talk · contribs)'s edits. I won't call her an editor because she didn't prove herself as one so i would call her an user. As most grievances were already reported here, i want to emphasize That user repeated refusal to face her responsibility. She would either ignore other users comments or dodge the issue like she did it again here. That user modus operandis is to gnaw articles she doesn't like by adding unverified and/or orginal research information (Honey in the Rock), slanderous edit (Anime Pulse), reference blanking (Anime Pulse), abuse of CSD (Anime Pulse & Honey in the Rock). If someone doesn't like an article, he can send it to Afd however writing Afd is to much a bother for That user who prefer to undermine those article. That user has also the habit to hold grudge toward editors who opposed or contested her edits so it is warranted for those editors to stay alert for retaliation strikes. I personally view the series of disruptive edits in Naruto Uzumaki as the retaliation of Farix bringing her bad attitude issue to WP:ANIME discussion. When her power of nuisance waned in that article, she switched to Blood+. Keeping an eye on That user activity as a pure act of protection for the articles targeted by her retaliations. I really doubt That user can be reasoned all we can do is to have her restrained and put on watch. --KrebMarkt 06:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Edits like this one on her talk page definitely aren't helping her case. --Farix (Talk) 14:02, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, the light dawns. http://www.all-acronyms.com/UPDOG --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – IP blocked for 30 days. –xeno^talk 17:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Can some kind admin do the honours with this NLT breach? --WebHamster 17:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

A 30 day block to a dynamic IP that made a single NLT post on May 18 and hasn't edited since? In any case it looks like this serial offender may have given up on being able to change the article. Looie496 (talk) 17:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Mmm, I must have seen 18th and thought it was today. Reduced to time served , IP likely re-assigned. –xeno^talk 19:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I noticed this diff which basically retired