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July 31

July 31, 2015 (2015-07-31) (Friday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Business and economy
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Law and crime
International relations
  • India and Bangladesh have swapped control of some 160 small pockets of land on each other's territory. Residents were asked to choose where they wanted to live and which nationality they would prefer. Most of them decided to change nationality and stay where they live. (BBC)
  • military intervention in Ukraine. (BBC)
Politics and elections
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[Closed] 2015 Blackbushe Airport crash

UNANIMOUSLY OPPOSED:

--George Ho (talk) 21:02, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

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Article: 
crashes at Blackbushe Airport in Hampshire, United Kingdom, killing all four people on board.
News source(s): The Guardian Wall Street Journal BBC
(among others)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Low death toll but the Bin Laden connection seems to add a lot of significance. Also this crash is rather strange because as the Guardian noted, the plane was "fitted with hi-tech safety features" and had previously landed at the same airport many times before without incident. 
talk 18:43, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Added altblurb to your pleasure. --George Ho (talk) 19:10, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The body count is too low for ITN. Something that hasn't been reported so far needs to come up for me to be able to support this. Still leaning to oppose. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:14, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Don't see notability other than tabloid sensationalism. --bender235 (talk) 19:11, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not the first disaster at that airfield, but probably even less notable (unless a connection with the CIA is uncovered, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obvious oppose. "Four people killed in light aircraft crash" is a routine story, and that some of the people killed were members of the (huge) Bin Laden family is of no significance; given the expense of aviation in the UK, a sizeable fraction of private aircraft are going to be carrying someone wealthy and well-known or their families. – 
    iridescent 19:26, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Oppose I suspect that in four weeks time this article won't even exist. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Howard W. Jones

No consensus to post. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:13, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Howard W. Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
in vitro fertilization (test tube), resulting in some successful results. May he rest in peace. (EDIT: I could not summarize the notable event well. Anyway, I didn't realize he was the surgeon of David Reimer, a male-born sexually reassigned person.) George Ho (talk) 05:24, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Rambling Man, no image shall obstruct the nomination. By the way, I removed the image and added an infobox image. --George Ho (talk) 16:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I quote from our IVF article "In 1977, Steptoe and Edwards successfully carried out a pioneering conception which resulted in the birth of the world's first baby to be conceived by IVF, Louise Brown on 25 July 1978, in Oldham General Hospital, Greater Manchester, UK". Jones did create the first IVF baby in the US, but the nominators comments as stated at best oversimplify the situation. Fgf10 (talk) 09:18, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fgf10, I'm not proposing a blurb. I'm proposing his mere name to be shown as part of RD ticker. Of course, thanks for the heads up. George Ho (talk) 16:30, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Roddy Piper

Article: Roddy Piper (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WWE.com, Variety, Esquire, CNN, The Independent, Associated Press
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Called #1 best professional wrestling villain by the WWE; Hall of Fame member since 2005  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

Wrestling-titles is as solid as the world has, for that sort of thing. 411Mania, though, is hit and miss. It's a freelance deal, like every news outlet on the Internet has lately. Depends on the author. Ranks high in Google News, for what that's worth. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:35, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The page looks much better now than it did two days ago. It'll be nice when this is posted. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Aye. Time marches on. I hope if this happens again for Arn Anderson, we can close it as brainbustered rather than filibustered. There's a proposal on the Wikiproject Talk about sprucing up the big name articles, pre-obituary, so this wasn't completely in vain. And, if you think about it, being on Wikipedia's In The News means less, the heavier something is actually in the news. It's a drop in the bucket, then. The semi-famous like Lynn Anderson, Billy Pierce and Edward Natapei could better use the recognition. And no, that's not an insult. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support after some improvements. There's still a section in need of attention - otherwise the sourcing looks pretty thorough. One of the most notable of his sport's last half-century, his influence was felt throughout the sport. Challenger l (talk) 09:27, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted While not FA quality quite yet, that's not the standard we use for ITN. The article has much improved, and most of the major referencing problems seem to have been addressed. --Jayron32 16:40, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't think
    WP:BLP is strictly related to FA quality. The article had an orange maintenance tag on the free-for-all filmography section. It has been posted with many BLP claims unreferenced and unverifiable, see the recent edits of User:Kww for context on protecting lists of awards from BLP violations. But that seems to be okay on biographies on the main page, just not on lists of awards. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:30, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]

(outdent )User:GaryColemanFan, you've inadvertently stepped into the middle of a surprisingly contentious area. By way of just a small amount of background, when the BLP policy was initially created, it focused exclusively on still-living people, and it especially emphasized that negative information on living people could not be included in an article without a reliable source. Unfortunately, this turned out to be too narrow a policy: When a notable person dies, that should not be a signal that it's now okay to start adding unsourced negative information into the article! This is particularly true where doing so could affect still-living people such as the subject's family. As a result, the BLP policy was expanded to the recently deceased; and also over time, emphasis has grown on how it's desirable to have good sourcing for all content in BLPs (and for that matter, ultimatlely in the entire encyclopedia). That being said, there are obviously issues of prioritizing: if an article about an actor (living or recently deceased) says that he won 20 awards in his career and there are sources for 10 of them, then it would be ideal to source the other 10, but if there's no genuine doubt that he also won the other 10, many editors would consider it a stretch to call the situation a "BLP violation."

A separate issue is whether the existence of an unsourced or only-partially-sourced awards section should disqualify the article from being mainpaged, such as on RD. ITN in general and RD in particular help keep our readers in touch with recent events and Wikipedia's coverage, but regardless of the importance of a event or of a recently deceased individual, our article on the event or the person must meet reasonable quality standards to be worthy of a place on the mainpage. For example, an entirely unreferenced article, or one with very few references relative to its length, certainly would not qualify.

There has been a longstanding debate on this page as to whether that means that to be worthy of an ITN or RD appearance, each and every statement or at least each and every section of the article requires referencing. In the past, I have taken the position that where an article as a whole has a decent degree of referencing, the fact that a given section (such as an "awards section") lacks inline cites should not stop us from including it on ITN or RD. Some other editors, including User:The Rambling Man, have taken the contrary view, opining that substantive unreferenced content is disqualifying for the mainpage—and if the content doesn't get sourced before (for example) the "recent death" is no longer "recent," then so be it. (An effect of TRM's and others position on this, operationally, is that holding the RD listing up until sources are added results in the sources actually being added—whereas if the article went onto the mainpage straight away, the incentive to improve it might not be there.) As with so many things on Wikipedia, this doesn't call for automatic, bright-line rules, but for editorial judgment and common sense. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:40, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reply. I sincerely appreciate people willing to take the time to explain a situation in a helpful manner. GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:03, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] India–Bangladesh land swap

good faith, but terms already announced μηδείς (talk) 04:15, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: India–Bangladesh enclaves (talk · history · tag) and Bangladesh–India border (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India and Bangladesh have swapped control of some 162 small pockets of land on each other's territory. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC)
Credits:
 Jenda H. (talk) 21:17, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment didn't we already post this, at least the proposal to do this (on 11 June, according to the talk page)? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:20, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose as we posted the agreement itself; maybe if it had fallen apart for some reason that would be worth posting. 331dot (talk) 21:26, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment yes we posted agreement between India and Bangladesh. But this news is about actual border change.--Jenda H. (talk) 07:28, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We posted the agreement to make the swap. The consequent technical details of actually executing it isn't as important (unless it leads to a border war or something). SpencerT♦C 07:44, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per the above concerns. Duplicate nom/post. Suggest speedy close. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:19, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Billy Pierce

Article: Billy Pierce (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
Sporting News' Pitcher of the Year Award twice (only one Cy Young Award was given out those years, and he lost both to pitchers from the other league). Not elected to the Hall of Fame, but he arguably belongs there. Article is GA, so we'll be featuring quality content. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:14, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

  • You are not wrong about the problems with the baseball HOF voting. If anyone who doesn't know about what a farce it has become wants to know more, ping me and I'll show you some stories. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:23, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - a top pitcher in his day. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:23, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. His career seems to meet DC2 as very important to his field. 331dot (talk) 21:27, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above comments. He appears to meet the applicable guidelines. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:52, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There might be nit-picky things I see on sourcing (it gets less dense later in the article) but its far from being in poor shape for posting. Importance shown. --MASEM (t) 22:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment have to oppose a baseball player who didn't make the hall of fame which is a lower standard than RD in my opinion. The GA status helps though.--107.107.61.157 (talk) 22:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
ITNDC #2 says... The deceased was widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field. That is well below HoF standards. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We posted Minnie Miñoso, a teammate of Pierce's, when he died. Like Pierce, Miñoso is on the outside looking in at Cooperstown. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:06, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Minnie Miñoso shouldn't have been posted.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Ebola vaccine

No consensus to post. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
phase three clinical trial "Ebola ça Suffit", which used ring vaccination. (Post)
News source(s): [1][2]

Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: More than ten thousand people have died of ebola in the past year and a half, and nearly twice as many people have survived, but may suffer lifelong aftereffects. It has devastated healthcare systems and economies. Wild reservoirs mean that future outbreaks are a near-certainty. A vaccine is newsworthy.

This is a major step, and it was done in a difficult situation using an unusual method. The

Lancet) is a publication of interim results; the trial continues, but the control arm
(vaccination delayed by one incubation period) has been dropped.

The authors of the paper describing the study thank the people of

WHO. HLHJ (talk) 15:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

I agree with @Mamyles: we're not in a hurry. Better wait and see whether the results uphold, rather than posting "preliminary" findings. --bender235 (talk) 15:56, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The creation of a viable Ebola vaccine is definitely newsworthy but as the BBC article points out, this is still preliminary results and we usually don't post that. I would expect that something akin to the World Health Org. or the FDA approving the vaccine would be the point of news-worthiness. --MASEM (t) — Preceding undated comment added 15:29, July 31, 2015
  • Support pending improvement. That there is an effective vaccine regimine is big news, if it is not to be reported now, when would it be? The article, however "pleased with the results of the result" is tagged, and a mess. μηδείς (talk) 15:47, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per Masem.
    Nergaal (talk) 15:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • very strongly oppose - There is a bunch of media hype about this. The results are interim and WP does not communicate hype to the public. The 24 hour news cycle drives hype, but we are an encyclopedia that provides reliable information to the public. So no, and hell no. Jytdog (talk) 17:57, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We don't post "interim" trials and test results. If/When this gets the OK from the
    FDA it should be renominated. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:09, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Oppose Redlinks on main page, well, ce n'est pas suffi.... --Jayron32 19:05, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very support All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:31, 31 July 2015 (UTC).[reply]
  • Oppose posting results of a trial; when announced it is available for general use, then maybe. 331dot (talk) 21:10, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Sorry, edit conflict with the closing; I'm posting this anyway since several people mentioned renomination later: As noted above, the
    VSV-EBOV#History on reporting of adverse effects). Since FDA approval will take the better part of a year minimum, it is to be hoped that the epidemic will be over before it gets FDA approval; the continuation of the trial in modified form is broad enough that vaccine may be administered to all the people who would get it were it approved for ring vaccination (whether this is a good idea is another question). When, if ever, do people think this should be nominated? HLHJ (talk) 23:37, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
I would suggest renomination once the vaccine is approved by the FDA or its European counterpart for general use. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:01, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If by "epdidemic will be over" you are referring to the outbreak in some west African countries, use of the vaccine in those countries doesn't depend on approvals in the US or its EU counterpart. Jytdog (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest renomination if the vaccine is approved by regulatory agencies. Jytdog brings up a good point - I would likely also support renomination if an African country decides to vaccinate a significant portion of their populace. Mamyles (talk) 19:08, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2022 Winter Olympics

Article: 2022 Winter Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Beijing is elected by the International Olympic Committee as host city of the 2022 Winter Olympics. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ During the 128th IOC Session, Beijing is elected as host city of the 2022 Winter Olympics.
News source(s): New York Times NBCSports
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Host city should be announced at 09:30 UTC on July 31. Only two cities are candidates. Could be a first if Beijing is elected, becoming the only city ever to host Summer and Winter Olympics. Hektor (talk) 20:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

  • Isnt this nom made on the wrong day. As the vote is on 31 July? Might be wrong.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • The bot will create the July 31 section in a couple of hours. It would be wise to move this proposal there. Hektor (talk) 21:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:11, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on confirmation, and I would have no problem if it was Beijing to note it is the first city to host a Winter and Summer olympics, if there's space for such a blurb. Maybe The ICC selects Beijing to host the 2022 Winter Olympics, the first city to host both Winter and Summer events. --MASEM (t) 01:10, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Once announced. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:34, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once announced. I would use 'selected' rather than 'elected' in the blurb. Modest Genius talk 09:58, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is Beijing. Hektor (talk) 10:01, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
By all means, this is an election. IOC members vote. Hektor (talk) 10:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Elections put people into offices. This is neither a person, nor an office being held. This is a group selecting something. Selecting by vote is not the same thing as an election. --Jayron32 19:07, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not all elections put people into offices. The vote takes place, I believe(but could be wrong) by secret ballot. 331dot (talk) 19:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Then it is your responsibility to find reliable sources and change the text of the Wikipedia article titled Election, the first sentence of which you claim is a blatant lie.(I don't claim so, but you seem to be proposing that it is). And a referendum is a vote and not an election. Not all votes are elections. Just those that put people into offices. --Jayron32 23:52, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not claiming anything is a lie or even that anything needs to be changed on that page; The IOC refers to the selection as an "election". [1] So do most RS: [2] [3] 331dot (talk) 00:03, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looking up the definition on one site, it states "a public vote upon a proposition submitted". [4] 331dot (talk) 00:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This was not a public vote. Still not en election then. --Jayron32 00:08, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You should speak to the IOC and RS's then and ask them to use different terminology. My point is that a public vote is not necessarily about people. Merriam Webster lists one definition as "the right, power, or privilege of making a choice" which clearly the IOC had. [5] Other similar definitions not involving people are here [6]. 331dot (talk) 00:11, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You can be right today. I don't need to win. Congratulations. --Jayron32 01:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want to be "right" or "win". It's about using the terminology used by sources, not about what I want. 331dot (talk) 01:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 30

July 30, 2015 (2015-07-30) (Thursday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • Turkey–PKK conflict
    • An ambush on a
      PKK militants kills 3 Turkish soldiers. (BBC)
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime
Politics and elections

[Posted to RD] RD: Lynn Anderson

Article: Lynn Anderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

 The Rambling Man (talk) 08:09, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

You'll find those adorable li'l plastic horses now unstabled and fully supported, (y'all)... ye-hah!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment we need to fix those [citation needed] tags, as right now I'm going through an Arbcom mudfest where one specific admin will delete all unsourced BLP claims on sight. Perhaps we should do that here. THen it would be ready. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can count five. But two of those are chart placings?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:47, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, so remove those, and we have three. BLP ain't gonna quit, and given Arbcom and "other admins", we're all in danger. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Unable to source her duetting with fiance Mentor Williams on his Drift Away at the 2007 CMA festival. All the rest have now got sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the unreferenced source as no non-primary sources can verify it. George Ho (talk) 00:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marked Ready a few last claims with no verifiable support removed, no remaining tags. μηδείς (talk) 04:13, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT♦C 05:59, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Mohammed Omar confirmed dead

Article: 
talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Taliban confirms that its former spiritual leader, Mohammed Omar, died in April 2013. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Taliban confirms that its former leader, Mohammed Omar, died in April 2013.
News source(s): New York Times CNN Christian Science Monitor

Credits:

Nominator's comments: Previous nomination by me yesterday was closed due to lack of confirmation from reliable sources. However, now the Taliban themselves are confirming it, and their doing so has been covered in many reliable sources. Additionally, it appears that the consensus among editors of Omar's article is that he is definitely dead. 

talk 18:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

  • Oppose - April 2013 is as stale as stale can be.--WaltCip (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support One of the most wanted terrorists/war criminals in the world. Even ignoring the problem of the date of death (which realistically precludes RD), I'd support a blurb here on the merits. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:36, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - A major figure in the War on Terror. It's not his fault that it was announced two years after the fact. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think we've, by now, agreed that contentious reports of death surpass the "staleness" test. This is notable, that's why I'm seeing it on the main BBC News page today. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support He's dead Dave. --109.149.122.191 (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with this confirmation. It's not "stale" since this was unknown until now. 331dot (talk) 19:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment marking as ready with a reservation that "spiritual leader" is a little too POV for a blurb. I would suggest we use something more like "Taliban leader..." as a blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose again, this is the Taliban confirming. And if you can't confirm the death of your CEO for two years, either your corporation is a sham or a front. Has one single Western intelligence source confirmed this, or did the times get it in an email from a minor Nigerian princeling? Will we be nominating
    Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead as a followup? μηδείς (talk) 20:39, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
If the world only just found out that Francisco Franco was dead, I would definitely consider that to be blurb worthy. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:30, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We still have no reliable source comfirming this, even if they did, that he died two years ago would be stale. Neither a blurb based on facts nor a stale RD is justified. μηδείς (talk) 04:16, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb. Significant individual and potential implications on the ongoing insurgency. Modest Genius talk 10:00, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — There're report floating that Jalaluddin Haqqani is dead also. Perhaps we can mingle both in one blurb? --Saqib (talk) 14:29, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Removed] Remove ongoing: Greek debt crisis

Greece has not made news for some time, and no longer seems to be having any impact on the stock markets or commodity trading. Granted, part of the reason for this is due to earnings season having most of the economic impact right now, but if or until Greece threatens default again in the distant future, I see no reason for this to remain as an ongoing blurb on ITN.--WaltCip (talk) 17:27, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support removal it's all gone quiet over there. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:57, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal for now per TRM; we can always readd it should things heat up again. 331dot (talk) 19:54, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Makes Sense μηδείς (talk) 20:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support But you just know that something major will happen over there 24 hrs after we take this off ongoing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:31, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's still ongoing, but not really in the news much anymore. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:37, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove for now, though I suspect it will come back at some point. This has indeed drifted off the front page and into the business section while the details of the bailout implementation are worked out. Modest Genius talk 10:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed --Jayron32 12:16, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD/Blurb: Yakub Memon hanged

No consensus to post. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:36, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Yakub Memon (talk · history · tag) and 1993 Bombay bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Yakub Memon, a perpetrator of the 1993 Bombay bombings, is hanged on his 53rd birthday after multiple rejections of mercy petitions. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Yakub Memon, a perpetrator of the 1993 Bombay bombings, is hanged.
News source(s): The New York Times The Wall Street Journal The Los Angeles Times Time

The Hindu
Credits:

Both articles updated
Nominator's comments: The candidacy is the brother of Tiger Memon, a prime suspect of the 1993 Mumbai blasts. He is known to have provided financial assistance to his brother in the execution of the blast. Topic seems to be of international interest, as evident from the sources. —Vensatry (ping) 05:11, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This needs some sort of rationale in the nominator's comments other than that it was updated. μηδείς (talk) 05:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done —Vensatry (ping) 06:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • support - notable and newsworthy.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:57, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb. I don't usually support giving attention on ITN to executions, but this was a perpetrator of one of the bloodier terror attacks in history (350+ killed). However the related article on the actual bombings has some issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:23, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The bombing and arrest were notable news. This execution, however, is a run-of-the-mill event. Convicted mass murderers are always executed (in countries that allow it). I'm neutral on posting to RD, as a famous and successful figure in the field of terrorism. Mamyles (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually executions in India are extremely rare, even for heinous crimes. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:01, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, none of the other conspirators were sentenced to death and instead got various lengths of imprisonment. Wer902 (talk) 17:34, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD - I'm convinced that the hanging execution would be overemphasized as a blurb. Merely mentioning his name looks fine. George Ho (talk) 15:54, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
After reading capital punishment in India and Ad Orientem, I'll switch to blurb instead. Yes, the story will be overemphasized. Even with death sentences, executions are rare. This is the first one in India this year (or second). We shall display this obituary and attract readers with this. George Ho (talk) 16:07, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Then why do we post the results of criminal trials? -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:37, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Did we not post Ajmal Kasab when he was hanged? —Vensatry (ping) 18:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A blurb implies the news item is notable--it isn't really major news outside India. An RD listing would imply the creep himself were notable. I am happy he's dead, but neither the man nor the hanging will be remembered in the years to come. μηδείς (talk) 20:54, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Being a creep is not incompatible with notability. The man killed 350+ people. That makes him highly notable, in India and pretty much anywhere. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not a major news outside India? In addition to the listed ones—LA Times, The Wall Street Journal, Time—BBC had covered this. —Vensatry (ping) 08:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not really notable or interesting. It was inevitable that he would be executed, it has happened and it's barely rippled mainstream news. Gone already. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:01, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, not a notable enough person for his hanging to feature on MP. Mjroots (talk) 19:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just re-asking what Ad Orientem had told, "Then why do we post the results of criminal trials?" —Vensatry (ping) 08:15, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support blurb: I don't think RD is appropriate since Memon is only notable because of one incident, which itself is blurb-worthy. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:54, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Mohammed Omar reported dead

No consensus to post at this time; wait for confirmation with reliable sources. SpencerT♦C 16:48, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The government of Afghanistan announces that Mohammed Omar, the spiritual leader of the Taliban, died in 2013. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Wall Street Journal

Credits:
Nominator's comments: Not an RD, because the death is, of course, not recent. Still, it seems significant that the "Spiritual leader" of the Taliban, as well as the former head of state of Afghanistan, has died. 
talk 17:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
I'm not actually sure Recent Deaths would be applicable here; I think it would need a regular blurb(given his wanted status and career, so to speak). 331dot (talk) 18:38, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait; while a government agency stating they believe him to be dead is significant, they haven't really said AFAIK why they think that(and may not). I think waiting for that, or a Tailban admission that he is dead, is prudent here. 331dot (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They have claimed his son recognised the body. Obviously its not independently verified, but just updating on the latest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.18.106 (talk) 18:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment As of right now it appears to be only the Afghan government that is reporting this. To be frank, I am not sure I consider that to be a sufficiently reliable source on this topic. I really think we need to hold off until some confirmation is obtained. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:26, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a blurb for "declared dead" is simply out of the question, and "spritual leader" of the taliban is rather stale to consider even notable at RD. It would be like posting minor news from the Watergate era during the Clinton administration; below the fold. μηδείς (talk) 22:04, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until or if confirmed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:11, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Obama speaks to African Union

No consensus to post.
talk 20:33, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

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Articles: Barack Obama (talk · history · tag) and African Union (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Barack Obama is the first US president to speak in front of the African Union. He encourages the world to increase trade with the continent, but also criticises the lack of democracy. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Barack Obama is the first US president to address the African Union.
News source(s): WSJ BBC

White House (among others)
Credits:

Both articles updated
Nominator's comments: This was just yesterday and today really spread across the media, it's highly relevant for the whole African continent and for Obama/US diplomacy in general. Horst-schlaemma (talk) 13:47, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! Abductive (reasoning) 18:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If this could be a DYK, it should be there. But as for ITN, it would have been a better candidate if the meeting ended with say, a new trade deal or similar firm result. --MASEM (t) 16:07, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose trivia goes to DYK. -- Callinus (talk) 20:26, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closing] RD: Jan Kulczyk

Consensus is against posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:21, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jan Kulczyk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gazeta.pl, Bloomberg, New York Times, Reuters, Financial Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Wealthiest person of the country with the 34th biggest population and 23rd largest GDP. Died unexpectedly aged 65. 2A02:582:C55:2A00:A96E:DC91:BCFE:94FF (talk) 10:19, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Hilton almost certainly will be posted, not for being rich, but for the whole socialite/"famous for being famous" thing she does. --Bongwarrior (talk) 18:46, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, she might. I guess it depends on how we define her "field" whenever that happens. Is "famous for being famous" a field? Anyway, it's not the most apt analogy. It seems this individual built his own fortune. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:49, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Being "famous" is not a criteria listed under ITNDC. As of this point I don't see anything that would qualify Hilton for an RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe society will view her as one of the "founders" of reality television. Or she'll become one of the greatest DJs of all time.
Who knows. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
The future is unknowable. Maybe she will become a nun and spend the rest of her life feeding the poor in Africa. For now all I can say is that I don't ever remember a "reality TV star" being accepted for RD and being a famously wealthy libertine is not a "field." -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above; just being rich is not significant enough on a worldwide scale. --MASEM (t) 16:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose: Seems like just a random rich dude. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:23, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose; being rich is not a field, and I don't see in what other way he meets the RD criteria. 331dot (talk) 17:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Random Polish businessman who seems to have contributed to the contents of expensive suits and very little else. Being the richest in a nation does not meet the RD criteria, AFAIK. Challenger l (talk) 20:12, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Ongoing: Turkey–ISIL conflict

we have two open nominations regarding this, close as duplicate in essence. μηδείς (talk) 01:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post
)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: After failed nominations on post-bombing events, this article should be most suitable for upcoming events. George Ho (talk) 00:08, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose- Why limit it to Turkey? There's a lot more that's going on with battles in Western Syria regarding ISIL recently than Turkey's involvement. If anything we should put ISIL back on ongoing. If not, it would be kind of strange to just put Turkey's involvement on ongoing. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:58, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Comment I think, in diplomacy, the AU is of a whole different weight compared to Kenya. You may read the linked speech notes by the White House to get a more comprehensive grasp. Sometimes speaking can be much more relevant than acting (or induce the latter), as well. This definitely is of historical scale. Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 14:05, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Microsoft releases Windows 10

Closing
WP:SNOW. There is no chance that this will be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:56, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

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Article: Windows 10 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Microsoft releases Windows 10, a new operating system offered free to those who own a genuine copy of an eligible edition of Windows 7 or Windows 8.1. (Post)
News source(s): Multitudes available, see e.g. The Verge
Credits:
Nominator's comments: One day late, but since I imagine most of us edit Wikipedia using a computer, and most computers run Windows, that makes the Windows 10 release immediately relevant. Not sure if the fact that it's being offered free is something to mention though: the blurb could simply be "Microsoft releases Windows 10".
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July 28

July 28, 2015 (2015-07-28) (Tuesday)
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Emergency NATO meeting on Turkey

Articles: 

Kurdistan Workers Party
camps in Iraq.

Alternative blurb IV:
Kurdish rebels (PKK) amid a spike in cross-border regional violence.
News source(s): Business Insider, BBC, VOA, AP

Credits:

Second article updated, first needs updating

Nominator's comments: This is an alternative nomination to the 'change Turkey blurb' section under July 24. This is because this event has now reached a different magnitude of importance resulting in NATO calling an 'extremely rare' (according to the Business Insider) meeting to discuss recent terror developments in Syria and Northern Iraq. I suggest we leave the Suruç bombing entry on the ITN as it is (its towards the bottom now anyway) and post this as a separate entry entirely. Nub Cake (talk) 11:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • support - notable event. ITN worthy.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: rather than a blurb, I think it would be better to bring events in Syria and Iraq back into the Ongoing section. Individual developments such as the Turkish airstrikes don't fundamentally change the war(s), but are part of a long-running conflict. Better to cover that via Ongoing than attempt to select individual events for blurbs. Modest Genius talk 13:39, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I agree, the main reason why I thought it would be worthy of ITN is specifically because of the NATO security meeting, which apparently is a rather important and rare event that is all over the news. Nub Cake (talk) 14:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on the general blurb - ITN would rather see what the net action is of the meeting than the fact there is going to be one. However, I do generally support the idea of bringing back an ongoing here as the situation develops. --MASEM (t) 14:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per Masem. It would be better to post the culmination of the meeting, if any notable events come of it. Mamyles (talk) 14:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, this meeting was called by Turkey, not called to rein in Turkey. Now, if the outcome is a ground invasion, then that is huge but would require its own article and blurb. Abductive (reasoning) 15:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We don't usually post this kind of stuff until after the event and then only if the results warrant it. Beyond which this is all part of the growing Turkish involvement in the fight against ISIS and their waging war on the Kurds. I am increasingly looking at this situation as a good candidate for ongoing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on conclusion of the meeting - this is a major development in the region and a very important development in the Syrian Civil War. Most of the Western jihadist sympathisers that are recruited to ISIL travel to Turkey and cross the border - Turkey is a key player. -- Callinus (talk) 00:13, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: A very significant event on its own; only the 5th such meeting in NATO's 66-year history (going back to Korean invasion). NATO can require member states to come to the aid of any other member state, such as Turkey, subject to an armed attack (i.e. 9/11). --Light show (talk) 01:19, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - How is an emergency meeting bigger news than the incidents, which are subjects in meetings? The background has more context than emergency meeting section. I can't allow this to be posted this way. George Ho (talk) 01:38, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's bigger news because it's unique and potentially a major turning point. The other "incidents," (aka "slaughters,") throughout the region are happening daily. --Light show (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I know it's NATO, an intergovernmental military alliance. Still, I don't see how newsworthy a meeting is aside from incidents in Turkey. Also, I already voted on the other nomination way below (#Change in Turkey). — Preceding unsigned comment added by George Ho (talk • contribs) 02:29, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: if we were to post this, neither blurb seems accurate. The emergency meeting was called because of a suicide attack by IS in Turkey. Yet the proposed blurbs make it seem like the meeting was called because of Turkey's response.
    T|C 02:36, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
I'm still against making the meeting front page news, but here's altblurb2. George Ho (talk) 02:41, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And altblurb3 too. George Ho (talk) 02:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think that starting any blurb with "after" some incident, will be misleading and imply a direct cause and effect. NATO wouldn't convene because of any single incident. The phrasing should be more general, ie. "NATO allies met in a rare emergency meeting at Turkey's request about its ongoing conflicts with the Islamic State and Kurdish rebels (PKK) amid a spike in cross-border regional violence." --Light show (talk) 03:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb4, but I made some modifications, like dropping "rare" and using present tense. George Ho (talk) 03:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this is an ongoing crisis so if we have an item that's properly updated, let's post that to Ongoing. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:00, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted to RD] Edward Natapei

Article: Edward Natapei (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio New Zealand
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the most famous politicians from Vanuatu. Died aged 61. Prime minister three times and president once. 2A02:582:C55:2A00:1DB8:6C86:4933:9E03 (talk) 09:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

If we′re against ethnocentrism, then we have to look forward to adding people from all countries. Really, this is how famous someone from Vanuatu can get, domestically at least. 2A02:582:C55:2A00:1CE2:7191:C4B1:20DF (talk) 20:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Light Show. Politician is one thing, world statesman is another. Unless there were some other notable accomplishment than holding office there's no justification for posting this. μηδείς (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Vanuatu is an island (or group of nearby islands). The article doesn't mention greatest accomplishments, even when he was PM for non-consecutive years and an acting President for less than one month. However, as long as his obituary is not a blurb, mentioning merely his name in the Recent deaths list won't hurt much. Also, the article quality is exquisite enough to mention his name. George Ho (talk) 23:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It seems to me that Natapei meets the second death criterion as a person who had a significant impact on, or made a significant contribution to, Vanuatu. Except for Walter Lini, he was probably the most significant and prominent politician Vanuatu has produced, so I find it hard to see how it could be contended that he doesn't meet the criterion. Neljack (talk) 01:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 01:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per IP,Masem and Neljack. -- Shudde talk 06:13, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 27

July 27, 2015 (2015-07-27) (Monday)
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[Closed] Boy Scouts lifts ban on openly gay leaders

Personally, I am surprised this doesn't have support. But the trend here is overwhelming. μηδείς (talk) 17:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Boy Scouts of America (talk · history · tag) and Boy Scouts of America membership controversies (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Boy Scouts of America lifts its ban on openly gay adult leaders and employees. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters BBC USA Today (among others)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: The BBC link above states that this decision "end years of criticism that the Boy Scouts discriminated against gay people." In addition the USA Today link above describes this vote as "historic". 
talk 02:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Can we please keep the editorializing in check per
WP:NOTFORUM. Thanks... -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:32, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
It's religious chapters only, which they have every right to do, and you have every right to disagree with, but this isn't the forum to fight giving offense with more giving offense. 331dot (talk) 12:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Parochial and of no importance these days. Fgf10 (talk) 07:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because this seemed to be the trend since they lifted the ban on gay members and given recent comments by former DoD secretary Gates. 331dot (talk) 12:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose exactly per Abductive.--WaltCip (talk) 13:22, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Ad Orientem and Nergaal. One organisation, which had been maintaining its outdated stance in the face of clear changes in public attitude, finally comes to its senses and updates its policies to become normal. Not even a particularly important organisation at that. It's amazing they managed to hold out so long without being sued to oblivion for discrimination. Welcome but hardly trailblazing. Modest Genius talk 13:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is no constitutional right to be in the Boy Scouts. However, I think they have been litigated for covering up child-molesting in the past. Secrecy works to the advantage of predators. Openness may discourage it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:42, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD/Blurb: Abdul Kalam

Article: 
cardiac arrest at the age of 83.
News source(s): Times of India

Credits:

Nominator's comments: Highly notable personality. Deserves a full blurb. 117.216.149.112 (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support blurb pending article updates - There's some tense issues in the article but that's expected for this just happening. Sourcing is fine and not an issue. Clearly RD, but would support blurb as a former leader of the world's most populous country and recognized beyond that. --MASEM (t) 15:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but how on earth is that article GA? The writing and grammar is full of errors (even in the lede - "was intimately involved in the India's civilian space program"). Black Kite (talk) 15:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, I've fixed dozens of grammar, spelling and tense problems. I might have missed a few, because the article was in a shocking state prose-wise. Hopefully it's at least acceptable now. Black Kite (talk) 16:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I had no doubt that coverage existed, but it's not being prominently featured on many of the websites I've checked. Ideally, this should be front page news somewhere besides India (see Mandela/Thatcher), although that's not an absolute requirement. --Bongwarrior (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now that is posted I don't mind keeping it, but for future I think full blurb RD should receive slightly a more substantial consensus and voting pool before being pushed on. This guy should probably be posted because he was quite notable in India where a huge chunk of the English wiki readers are, but otherwise it doesn't really strike me as a full blurb material.
    Nergaal (talk) 21:01, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  •  Question: Shouldn't the blurb say "(pictured)" (unless the guidelines have changed about this)? It Is Me Here t / c 21:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support saying pictured. Not to do so is bizarre. μηδείς (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is pictured still the practice? I checked the last 5 blurbs with an image and none of them had one. I saw that it was removed from one of them, when it was added. -- Tinu Cherian - 02:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • The "(pictured)" was removed from blurbs when the ability to use captions for an image was included within the last couple weeks. --MASEM (t) 02:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      Thanks MASEM for the confirmation. -- Tinu Cherian - 05:09, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support keeping blurb: he was a top figure in two different fields, his birthday was officially observed by the UN as "students day", he had been the recipient of highest civilian awards of India and numerous titles from other countries. We did post Hisham Barakat's death (I know his death was significant because it was an assassination), but here you have the death of one of the most influential people in India since 1947. Just read the article and you'll understand why this got posted so quickly. 1.39.61.245 (talk) 22:37, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added another blurb which could be used. Cheers! Jim Carter 04:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting Support for blurb. However... I must join some of the other editors who have expressed concern about the speed with which this was posted. The same thing pretty much happened with Jules Bianchi. And unlike the current nom which does not appear controversial, the Bianchi one was. Had more time been allowed for comments I doubt it would have been accepted for posting as a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:22, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting concerns this blurb was posted within an hour, and while he is clearly a notable individual, we need to avoid this kind of knee-jerk posting of blurbs, particularly as the death wasn't remarkable or unexpected. Add to that the use of an unprotected image on the main page for a while, and, well... messy. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:12, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Accepted that it was a slightly quick decision on posting the blurb - It was primarily because the subject/said person was non-controversial, snowballing support so far, this side of the world was heading to sleep; and a very notable world figure, a very popular President to approximately one-fifth of world's population at a time. Again, with all due respect to regulars at ITN, Point taken. -- Tinu Cherian - 08:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I do agree that we may have waited a bit longer for creating consensus; as for the death 'needs' to be unexpected and remarkable - most of the deaths are unexpected (if you discount old age and other medical problems - only surefire way to expect a death is if a person is being hanged or someone is at a hospice), Dr. Kalam was 83 yrs old, but his health seems to be ok for the age, so we may argue that the death was unexpected. Describing 'remarkable' is bit more difficult, lets say it has to be something out of ordinary, so a person's death in a car crash might be considered remarkable, Dr. Kalam died while giving a lecture, so we may argue that the circumstances surrounding his death was out of ordinary, hence remarkable (or at least different than supermajority of other deaths). Legaleagle86 (talk) 08:53, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can we please use 'passed away' instead of 'dies'. 'Dies'seems to trivialise the context. --Lahariyaniyathi (talk) 11:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Bobbi Kristina Brown

SNOW close; notability is not inherited; she was not yet notable on her own. 331dot (talk) 09:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

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Article: Bobbi Kristina Brown (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Extensive coverage of family life, coma and death. Thechased (talk) 02:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Oppose Subject does not meet ITNDC standards. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose - Only "notable" for being Whitney Houston's daughter; probably shouldn't even have an article. --Bongwarrior (talk) 03:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Sad as it is, it's tabloid fodder. Not notable for accomplishments, notable for her parents. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:18, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not notable enough to meet ITN's RD criteria. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stale, she died 178 days ago. Abductive (reasoning) 06:47, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: I considered nominating this death, but she really is only a celebrity because of her parentage. Doesn't meet notability criteria. -Kudzu1 (talk) 09:05, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and SNOW close, tragic yet not ITN material. Not notable enough for RD and her death simply isn't blurb worthy. 94.197.121.179 (talk) 09:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Oppose - being the daughter of a former singer turned junky is not notable. sorry.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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July 26

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[Posted] RD: Flora MacDonald

Article: Flora MacDonald (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News Cape Breton Post The Globe and Mail
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A trailblazer in Canadian politics. Canada's first female foreign minister, recognized with civilian honors at home and abroad (including the Order of Canada), and key player in the Canadian Caper (dramatized a couple of years ago in the film Argo). Kudzu1 (talk) 00:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

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  • Oppose almost no cabinet-level ministers ever get posted, including US House Speakers, who are third in line for the Presidency. A much better rationale is needed. μηδείς (talk) 00:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • In my opinion, the fact that she was the first woman to serve as Canada's foreign minister (a position with international prominence, by its very nature) elevates her above being a run-of-the-mill cabinet official. Her national and international honors are also highly noteworthy. There are fewer than 150 living Companions of the Order of Canada, and it's not every day that one of them dies. -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't think your nomination is in bad faith, Kudzu1, but I think "first woman to ex" is about as patronizing and meaningless as one can get at this point, given we've had lesbian PM's, and US supreme court justices and VP and presidential candidates. Merkel, for goshsakes. The implication is that there's some reason why we should not expect female office holders. That's sexist in the extreme. μηδείς (talk) 01:28, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Which is great, but MacDonald became FM back in 1979, way before the rise of Angela Merkel or Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir or even Madeleine Albright. She was a trailblazer for women in Canadian politics, and pretty much every news story and obituary I'm seeing now makes reference to that. -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:35, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • Or Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, Eva Peron, Golda Meir, Queen Victoria, Katherine the Great, Joan of Arc, Catherine de Medici, Cleopatra, or Elizabeth I? I suggest a long hot bath with some bubbles, a cat, aromatherapy candles, and a copy of Sexual Personae. μηδείς (talk) 00:38, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support I find Kudzu1's argument convincing. Lots of honors (or "honours", as they say up north), in addition to the position. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:01, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - One of the first women... Great accomplishment. This is the RD nomination, not the blurb nomination. Just name her in the front page, and you attract readers. George Ho (talk) 02:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the question of firsts: The Globe and Mail notes that she was "the first woman in the western world to serve as foreign minister". Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 03:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not only is this special pleading (Indira Gandhi was a PM of india in the 60's) it's also simply false, as Golda Meir was a foreign minister before McDonald, as well as an Israeli PM before MacDonald was an FM. μηδείς (talk) 04:18, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Adding to that, even if you don't consider Israel as part of the "western world" (the definition varies depending on where you are) it's still demonstrably untrue, since
iridescent 08:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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[Posted] Chris Froome wins the 2015 Tour De France

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Articles: 
Christopher Froome (pictured) wins his second race (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In cycling, Chris Froome wins his second Tour de France
title.
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR Torqueing (talk) 16:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

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Sorry, first time here. BaldBoris 20:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No stress, see next comment... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted excellent work on the race article, this is a gold-standard example of an ITNR. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Mexico win the CONCACAF Gold Cup

No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 18:45, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
final. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In soccer, Mexico win their seventh CONCACAF Gold Cup title.
News source(s): Sports Illustrated, Reuters (UK)

Credits:
 TheBigJagielka (talk) 11:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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July 25

July 25, 2015 (2015-07-25) (Saturday)
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  • Dutch cyclist
    Stefany Hernandez finished first at the elite women's race. (British Cycling)

July 24

July 24, 2015 (2015-07-24) (Friday)
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  • A large explosion, which triggers other explosions and a fire (which threatens a nearby forest) at a fireworks factory in southeastern Italy (Modugno, Metropolitan City of Bari, Apulia Region) kills 7 people and injures several more, some seriously. Emergency vehicles were on the scene and the cause is being investigated; it is the peak season for fireworks in Italy because of the summer festivals there. (BBC)
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  • Burundian presidential election, 2015
  • Anti-corruption campaign in China
    :
    • Zhou Benshun, the Communist Party chief of China's Hebei province, is detained for investigation by the party's anti-graft body. He is first incumbent provincial leader to be investigated since the anti-corruption campaign began in 2013. (WSJ)

RD: Ingrid Sischy

Article: Ingrid Sischy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vanity Fair The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fashion and art critic for decades for several prominent publications, including The New Yorker, Interview Magazine, and Vanity Fair. Certainly appears to have been at the top of her field. Kudzu1 (talk) 16:14, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

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"Weak Support" means this should be posted. You don't give a reason. μηδείς (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having worked in the gay press at the time she was at the New Yorker covering AIDS I can assure you there were dozens of names more prominent. I don't actively oppose this being posted, but I don't see any compelling reasons why it should be either. μηδείς (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Merely mentioning her name is good enough to prevent another obituary blurb, which would have been opposed if not for the "Recent deaths" ticker. Well sourced, writing decent (if not good), and well accomplished as a journalist. Then again, readers may not be familiar with this person, but at least featuring her name in the front page will attract most curious ones. George Ho (talk) 02:04, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am removing the ready, since the net consensus here is two week supports, and two supporting editors have commented on the poor writing. I could just as easily have closed this with my oppose yesterday. A nice overhaul of the article would certainly improve the nomination, but I don't think we should be posting out of acquiescence to "meh"s. μηδείς (talk) 18:12, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Though claims are made that she is an influential figure in her field as a published artist of long experience - the article seems to be largely a bullet list of places she worked, without really explaining her connections or influence, beyond a vague mention in the lead. My opinion is that the article could use a very thorough re-write by someone familiar with the community and the subject alike. Challenger l (talk) 22:32, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Hulk Hogan

Closing hopeless, if good faith nomination. μηδείς (talk) 20:01, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
WWE terminates Hulk Hogan's contract after a video revealing Hogan going into a racial tirade was leaked. (Post)
News source(s): http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/news/hulk-hogan-fired-by-wwe-over-racial-tirade-20150724

Credits:
Nominator's comments: One of the most iconic wrestlers of all time gets the can by the organization that made him a star. Also making big headlines across the world. RowingHorseman (talk) 18:32, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Let's not sink the ITN lower than it might have been. --George Ho (talk) 18:35, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose. This isn't remotely ITN-worthy, not by any measure. Challenger l (talk) 19:25, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Change Turkey blurb

Articles: 
ISIL and the Kurdistan Workers' Party.
News source(s): Guardian, CNN, Reuters
.
Credits:

First article updated, second needs updating

Nominator's comments: The airstrikes article still needs updating. We could also just put ISIL back to Ongoing. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:43, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Turkey finally intervening in the Syrian/Iraqi conflict is important considering they are a regional power. I also think we should wait for more information on the reported PKK air strikes and the potential breaking of the ceasefire and maybe mention that as well. Jeanluc20 (talk) 09:12, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is also major development in Turkish-Kurdish conflict, which shoud be included within blurb. --Jenda H. (talk) 11:14, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am open to that, but the blurb will probably get quite long then? Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:02, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Altblurb II including Kurds offered above. Source footnoted in article, which alas mentions these developments only in the concluding Aftermath section. Sca (talk) 14:19, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support switching to alt-blurb II per Sca, but oppose changing the date. It's still at the top of the ITN news feed. It is possible that this could be the beginning of a serious escalation in Turkish military action. If so we may want to consider an ongoing nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:47, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb important developments - the involvement against the PKK is noteworthy, and has implications for US led efforts against ISIS and the interaction of the US with the YPG/PKK.-- Callinus (talk) 16:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd be ready to post this soon, but would
    Turkey–ISIL_conflict#July_2015_conflict be a better link for the new bolded article on the airstrikes? The article itself is more directly relevant, fairly comprehensive and well referenced, and has information that seems to be being updated daily. --Jayron32 16:55, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • How so? Can you explain and give examples? --Jayron32 17:51, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • See my change here. That was one of the more notable examples. -- Callinus (talk) 03:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Operation Martyr Yalçın article is fairly new and currently undeveloped, but I'm developing it as quick as I can. Nub Cake (talk) 08:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Update: The article, I think is now up to an appropriate standard to go into ITN. Nub Cake (talk) 09:18, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, NATO has now held an emergency meeting on the issue. This event has reached a different magnitude of importance and I'm of the view that we should be posting a new entry entirely. Nub Cake (talk) 11:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support only airstrikes blurb - The airstrikes article is ready, but the police raids page has one issue, which I tagged. George Ho (talk) 01:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted ALT2. It would be helpful in the future if a particular blurb is identified as "ready" for posting, since in this case there were 4 blurbs and 2 bolded articles under consideration. Thanks, SpencerT♦C 18:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The "police raids" story was proposed, so I wrote down "Airstrikes only". George Ho (talk) 21:20, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Burundian presidential election, 2015

Proposed image
Article: 
re-elected president of Burundi in a controversial election.
News source(s): Reuters New York Times Al Jazeera

Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on
talk 20:40, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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  • Support I agree that for NPOV reasons we should mention the disputed nature of the election. Neljack (talk) 22:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This ITNR election is especially interesting due to its disputed nature. Mamyles (talk) 23:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once the article is ready. However I would caution that we on ITN have generally avoided making references to controversy in blurbs about elections. Some very hinky elections have gone through with just a bland statement about the official results. I vaguely recall supporting a similar suggestion about an obviously bogus election somewhere or other and getting shot down. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:34, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I wish to reiterate that I have serious NPOV reservations about the blurb which does not appear consistent with normal practice on ITN. We do not generally add cometary about controversies to blurbs about elections.-Ad Orientem (talk) 00:44, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb to your pleasure. George Ho (talk) 00:55, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That works. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:12, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well I have serious NPOV reservations about the altblurb. The original blurb is entirely factual - the election was disputed and boycotted by opposition rivals. Failing to reflect that in the blurb would fail to reflect the various points of view on the election. As is evident from the news coverage, reliable sources are prominently featuring the fact that the election was boycotted. We are not putting commentary in the blurb - that would be if we said something like "in an unfair election" - we are making factual statements about the election being disputed and boycotted. Neljack (talk) 04:23, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alternative blurb. --bender235 (talk) 11:36, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Altblurb III. (Grammar: In Altblurb II, "whose" refers to Burundi, not to Nkurunziza.) Sca (talk) 14:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support we posted the coup attempt. -- Callinus (talk) 15:32, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted a completely neutral and factual blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:46, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @
    David Levy: Can we update the picture to the Burundian President? With the new captioning system, it's gotten more technical to do so. Maybe on the instructions page here we can list admins who are comfortable updating pics? That may be useful so we know who to contact when it is needed. --Jayron32 16:58, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    I've already added it to the media protection page here, just waiting for Kinklebot to sort it and then we can list it. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    In fact, already protected (Krinklebot seems to work on new material within 15 minutes, which is better than heaping all this on poor old David, especially since he kindly set this alt-method up for us), so I've replaced the image. Only thing is that the width of 120 was way to wide, so I set it down to 100, not sure if that was appropriate.... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks good. Thanks! --Jayron32 17:51, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Shouldn't the blurb say "(pictured)" after Nkurunziza's name?
    talk 19:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    Pictures now have captions. 331dot (talk) 19:44, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks good. Sca (talk) 21:36, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    We are no longer encouraged to place (pictured) in the blurb (although this is the second time in quick succession that it has been noted that its absence is confusing...... the irony) as we have the grotesque captions that received some consensus somewhere, I can't point you to it because I never saw a clear indication of such a discussion. It just happened. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Anthem Inc. buying Cigna

No consensus to post. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:09, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 
Anthem Inc. announces that it has reached a deal to buy Cigna in a deal valued at at least $48 billion. (Post)
News source(s): Wall Street Journal New York Times Reuters

Credits:
Nominator's comments: Aside from the large amount of money involved (estimates range from 48 to 54 billion USD), the Reuters link above tells us that this deal will create "the largest U.S. health insurer by membership." 
talk 14:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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July 23

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[Closed] RD: Aung Thaung

no move toward support μηδείς (talk) 00:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Aung Thaung (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times Myanmar Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Although Burmese-centric, one of influential Burmese politicians involved in only domestic affairs. Well-sourced. Obviously notable, but I hope he is on top of field. George Ho (talk) 01:36, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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[Closed] LaFayette Grand Theatre shooting

SNOW Close. SpencerT♦C 18:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2015 Lafayette shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A shooting at the Grand Theatre movie theater in Lafayette, Louisiana results in the deaths of 3 people, including the shooter, and 9 injuries. (Post)
News source(s): NOLA, BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Might as well throw this one out there. WaltCip (talk) 14:26, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. While an unfortunate event, it does not have the scale to be posted to ITN. It also sadly is not that unusual these days. 331dot (talk) 14:28, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I think the fact that it's no longer considered unusual is rather unusual in itself.--WaltCip (talk) 14:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't it disgusting how stories like this continue to happen despite all the public outcry?--WaltCip (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but this isn't a place to right wrongs. It's simply not newsworthy, tomorrow it will be completely forgotten about. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:25, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Somebody needs to right these great wrongs. I agree ITN isn't the place to do it but I hate that these shootings keep happening and that the powers that be stop us from doing anything to stop the next one. </rant> – Muboshgu (talk) 16:35, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think most of the civilised world think it's disgusting that this is allowed, nay encouraged, by the free and easy gun laws in the US. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:40, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There were 14 reported murder-suicides in the U.S. from July 17-23. And our elected politicians are doing nothing about it, save a few who are being stymied by the majority. Gun nuts even made Buzzfeed back down today. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - still major shooting. Have received national and international attention.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose - It's basically minor relative to all gun-based murders in the US on an annual basis but the notion that it was at a public shooting is something of some weight. But still a minor story and unfortunately all too common. --MASEM (t) 16:28, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Most of the 7,000+ deaths by firearm so far this year in the US have happened in public, that this happened in a cinema is nothing novel nor newsworthy given the regularity of this kind of event. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Another day, another mass shooting in the United States. Barring a high body count, terrorist motives, or something else that really sets it apart, these events are sadly becoming too common to be constantly posted on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:35, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • can this be snowclosed already?
    Nergaal (talk) 17:08, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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I've no objection to snowclosing it. I mainly just wanted to gauge the response that items like this will get for reference for future nominations.--WaltCip (talk) 17:58, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Kepler-452b

Proposed image
Artist's conception of Kepler-452b
Articles: 
habitable zone of a star similar to the Sun.
News source(s): BBC

Credits:

Nominator's comments: It seems they have found the most Earth-like planet so far. Hektor talk 16:55, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support on suitable article improvements. This is very interesting news that is getting a decent amount of coverage. I would however strongly suggest that the primary link be to the newly created article on the actual planet once it is ready (it's currently a work in progress). -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:24, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the most Earth-like exoplanet yet found is obviously a great discovery. Thue (talk) 17:32, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support after article improved. Daniel Case (talk) 18:33, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Fairly routine exoplanet discovery. Many similar worlds have been found, and very many more will be found. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:37, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • So can you point out another similar world which has been discovered? Thue (talk) 19:05, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sure: Kepler-438b, which actually ranks as more Earthlike than Kepler-452b. More listed at Earth Similarity Index. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:46, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, that one is circling a red dwarf. I think it is noteworthy that we found the first earth-like world in the habital zone around a Sun-like star. Thue (talk) 23:43, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would prefer an improvement on the current article before posting this. With a surface gravity of 2G is not really that much Earth-like.
    Nergaal (talk) 18:38, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Oppose per Kudzu1. Another planet just like this was found earlier this year. This type of discovery is now rather routine. Mamyles (talk) 18:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. While not an expert in this field, I'm a bit concerned that due to the planet's mass, it could be a toxic volcanic world with an atmosphere like that of Venus. However, we must stick to what the media writes about this, and they have declared it to be the first Earth like planet in the right place that would potentially allow life to exist within the same sorts of constraints as exist here on Earth. Count Iblis (talk) 19:50, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question is it a sun-like star which making this discovery special? --Jenda H. (talk) 19:53, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's the combination of the Sun-like star that has the same sort of properties like our own Sun, the fact that the planet is not much smaller or much larger than Earth, the fact that it orbits at a distance where the energy from its Sun will warm it so that water can exist in a liquid form. Count Iblis (talk) 20:00, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - definitely newsworthy.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:17, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support fascinating news getting coverage even during the hourly minute news summary on the car radio today. μηδείς (talk) 21:04, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support although I'd like to see the blurb tweaked a little, perhaps just to say that the first Kepler is a space observatory. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:29, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support although as
    habitable zone." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wer902 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 23 July 2015‎ (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Support, but there a billions of stars in this galaxy, so please correct it to state "... orbiting a circumstellar habitable zone". Cheers,
    talk) 03:12, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Not ready: Blurb is inaccurate, as Kepler-438b is a smaller planet in its star's habitable zone. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:46, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed. Added an altblurb to clarify that this is an earth-like planet around a sun-like star. Stephen 05:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready: The article needs some editing, then I would support the Alternate Blurb or Wer902's proposal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutster (talk • contribs) 07:10, 24 July 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]
What kind of editing? Which part needs to be improved? George Ho (talk) 19:10, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just want to reiterate that only Alt Blurb II is accurate. This is neither the smallest planet in the habitable zone, nor the most habitable. Mamyles (talk) 13:47, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have modified the altblurb to remove circumstellar as redundant given "around" and "star" are already there. μηδείς (talk) 01:53, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Attention needed: As discussed above, the blurb that was posted is not accurate. There have been smaller planets discovered orbiting within the hypothetical habitable zones of their stars, the difference being that those stars (unlike Kepler-452) are not Sun-like. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:47, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, the "similar to the sun" phrase can't accurately be ommitted. μηδείς (talk) 19:58, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment please take issues to ERRORS. Also, before marking ready, please ensure a "ready" blurb has been agreed upon. Sorry for posting something that wasn't accurate, but this nomination is a bit of a mess of blurb suggestions. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 22

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[Closed] China returns Ai Weiwei's passport

No real reason to continue this debate which is almost wholesale in its rejection of the proposal. Once again, DYK seems an appropriate alternative. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ai Weiwei (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chinese artist Ai Weiwei is returned his passport, four years after it was seized by government authorities. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian NPR CNN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: It seems we posted when he was detained and had his passport seized in April 2011, so now that he has gotten it back it seems significant as well. 
talk 19:08, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Well sometimes you do go on a bit... ;-) -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:19, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it's all about obfuscation.... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Birmingham Quran manuscript

overwhelming math μηδείς (talk) 01:00, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Birmingham Quran manuscript (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Quranic manuscript in the collection of the University of Birmingham is identified as one of the oldest to survive. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN; Guardian; NYT; many others.
Credits:
  • Support as nominator. Note that the article has a PD image. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:24, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - definitely notable.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:25, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Tiny article with a grand total of three references. --Tocino 14:15, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Tocino, but screams for a great DYK nomination, which this is best suited for. --MASEM (t) 14:37, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose DYK will pick up that hook. -- Callinus (talk) 14:44, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is getting good international coverage in mainstream news media. The size of the article is unimportant; it's big enough. The image is the main attraction and the close-up would make a good replacement for the picture of Jules Bianchi who's been getting far too much attention for someone who never won a single F1 race. Andrew D. (talk) 14:57, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, no indication that the text is in any way different or of interest to scholars. Age established by only one method—radiocarbon dating—means over-reliance on a primary source. Abductive (reasoning) 16:29, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - agree that this would make a great DYK but doesn't seem to be sufficiently big a deal for ITN even if the article was GA quality. Pedro :  Chat  17:04, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree that there would be something here if this version differed from the commonly used Quran, or provided something that theologians could study. But, this is just an old copy, so hooray it survived, but it's not really fit for ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:32, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is not the Dead Sea Scrolls or similar, which actually are of value to academics; all this non-story is is "book was written at about the time we thought it was written". – 
    iridescent 18:00, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Oppose This really isn't ITN material. That said, I agree with the suggestions above, this would be a great DYK candidate. I suggest the discussion be closed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it's a DYK. The proposed image, considering it's only a suggested oldest Quran, is mildly interesting, but nothing more, and certainly doesn't bolster the reason to post this. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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July 21

July 21, 2015 (2015-07-21) (Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • The
    People's Protection Units (YPG) and human rights organizations say that YPG fighters have captured one juvenile prison and a power station south of Al-Hasakah. (kurdpress
    )
Business and economy
International relations
Law and crime
Politics and elections
Sports

[Closed] RD: Nicholas Gonzalez (physician)

Clear consensus against posting. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:42, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: One of alternative medicine physicians considered to be fraudulent and dangerous. He faced lawsuits. George Ho (talk) 01:58, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
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[Closed] World Santa Claus Congress starts in Denmark

Closing per
WP:SNOW. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:58, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

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Article: Santa Claus (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ World Santa Claus Congress starts in Denmark (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:

Article needs updating
 Count Iblis (talk) 16:25, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose No article for the event. @User:Count Iblis, with all due respect, is this a serious nomination? If so, you may want to include nominator rationale for explaining the event's notability. SpencerT♦C 16:31, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I hope it's more professional and less annoying than SantaCon. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:31, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I am assuming the nomination was made in good faith, but this is so far removed from ITN standards that I would normally expect it on April 1st. I think it's about to snow. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:SNOW, no target, fluff news -- Callinus (talk) 18:44, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support What are we, Grinches? Should probably wait for the formal report on the conservation status of Abominable Snowmen, though. μηδείς (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: E. L. Doctorow

Article: E. L. Doctorow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, BBC, Vanity Fair, Time
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famous. Abductive (reasoning) 01:48, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

[Posted] RD: Theodore Bikel

Article: Theodore Bikel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): New York Times; http://bnonews.com/news/index.php/news/id933
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Important US actor and folk musician. Strongly identified with the role of Tevye from Fiddler on the Roof. Co-founder of the Newport Folk Festival. And he was Lt. Worf's adoptive dad. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 01:04, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support on article update/improvements - I think the bar for importance is there (I'm looking at the Austrian medal of honor in the arts as a prime demonstration), but the article is lacking in inline citations and has tense issues. --MASEM (t) 01:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose based solely on article quality/referencing inadequacy. Would support if the referencing was brought up to standard, clearly a major figure. --Jayron32 01:56, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on article improvements Subject is notable. I'll work on the article tomorrow. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:14, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

*Support. Article looks clearly sourced now - definitely both well-known and remembered as well as influential. Challenger l (talk) 05:05, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose article is under-referenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:09, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Long, distinguished career; influential in music, film and theater. (Target article now contains 41 refs.) Sca (talk) 13:27, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    It's never the absolute number of refs, you know that. BLPs need all claims that are contentious, such as marriages, children, releases etc, to be cited. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:53, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support there are a few claims which need references, the primary sources which name an episode or album, and the tv show or publisher and date are primary sources. I have hidden a few items that say he was uncredited--those need sources. The man himself was important in three fields, acting, singing/voice, and activism. μηδείς (talk) 20:05, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment just claiming that a source isn't needed because a "title", "publisher" etc are supplied is entirely inadequate for a BLP. More sources are required if those claims remain in the article. There seems little doubt that the individual is notable, it's just that his article is full of unreferenced and unverifiable claims, despite other opinions. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Two refs to NYT obit added. Sca (talk) 20:56, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Great, if you can address the remaining unreferenced and unverifiable material, we're good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:01, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are six unrefed entries in the discography, out of 40. At this point my inclination would be to delete them. Sca (talk) 21:55, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Three remaining unrefed discography items deleted; marked as ready. Sca (talk) 23:47, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted not perfect, but good enough. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:12, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 20

July 20, 2015 (2015-07-20) (Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Business and economy
International relations
Science
Politics
  • Anti-corruption campaign in China
    :
    • Communist Party of China after an investigation and arrested to faced criminal charges. (New York Times)
Sports

[Closed] Philip II remains identified

This doesn't look like it's going anywhere. No apparent effort to get the article up to ITN standards. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Philip II of Macedon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The remains in Tomb I at Vergina are conclusively identified as those of Philip II of Macedon, the father of Alexander the Great. (Post)
News source(s): PNAS, IB Times
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: I've updated the section in Philip, but the article currently has one orange tag. The authors of the study write it's "conclusive", while previous suggestions were uncertain. Brandmeistertalk 11:17, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Feels like a good DYK though. --MASEM (t) 14:19, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - after is sourced and ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:47, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support conditional on significant article improvement. It really needs work. That said, I think the subject is ITN worthy. It can't always be bloodshed and massacres. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support: Wouldn't be a bad DYK, but it's something that just happened (as opposed to a process, like in Timbuktu, that is just now getting play in international media), it involves a very prominent figure in European history, and it's been a bit of a slow news week. Of course, the article must be brought up to Wikipedia standards before posting... -Kudzu1 (talk) 15:23, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when article is adequate. I can remember nominating the findings of the remains of the substantially "younger" Miguel de Cervantes, which was pulled for lack of references '''tAD''' (talk) 15:24, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Seems like a significant story. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:56, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article has serious
    WP:V problems, evidenced by the bright orange maintenance tag at the top of the page. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:58, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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[Closed] Death of Sandra Bland in police custody to be investigated as murder

No consensus to post. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:00, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Death of Sandra Bland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Texas authorities announce they will investigate the death of activist Sandra Bland in police custody as a possible murder. (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Sandra Bland's death has been all over the news and social media, and the coverage appears to be increasing. --Darouet (talk) 19:07, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
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[Closed] Lockheed Martin to acquire Sikorsky

This doesn't appear to be going anywhere and no discernible effort has been made to improve the article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:37, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 
defense contractor Lockheed Martin agrees to purchase Sikorsky Aircraft for US$9 billion. (Post)
News source(s): [9]

Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Not the largest price tag, and I'm aware of ITN's usual stance on business news and acquisitions, but I feel this is an interesting story involving two notable companies; Lockheed Martin, in particular, is an absolute giant in the defense and aerospace industries. --Bongwarrior (talk) 17:15, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support once the article is updated and the relevant section expanded beyond the current one sentence. I would also suggest adjusting the link so it goes to the applicable section of a rather long article. The merger has considerable significance in the military and defense related industry. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:21, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Striking my "weak" in favor of full support per Medeis' comment below. This is more significant than I had realized. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:31, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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2015 Open Championship

Article: 2015 Open Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Zach Johnson wins the 2015 Open Championship (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R and one of golf's four major championships. Article has had the result updated and a brief prose update but could do with more prose, particularly for the third and fourth rounds. Bcp67 (talk) 06:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

[Closed] UN unanimously approves Iran nuclear deal

No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 14:05, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Nations Security Council unanimously approves the agreement between the P5+1 countries and Iran regarding its nuclear program. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Not all UN resolutions are Wikinewsworthy, right? Out of all UN resolutions, this would affect the US Congress's ability to reject the deal with Iran. George Ho (talk) 02:04, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose We have already posted about the main agreement which we knew was/is going to be hugely controversial. This is just the beginning of a lot of news that is going to surround the fight over this agreement. Congress is going to have a fit over this, and there are reports that the Iranians may try to amend the agreement or reject parts of it. I doubt this belongs on ITN, but if it does it should be in ongoing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:15, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Say "support 'Ongoing'" then because I believe there will be updates over this if you like. George Ho (talk) 02:22, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb/weak support for ongoing per my comment above. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:34, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This was part of the deal, which we posted the agreement to. If this had not passed, it might be notable, but the deal wouldn't have been made unless the parties agreed this would occur. 331dot (talk) 10:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm neutral on Ongoing; I'm not sure there will be regular, incremental updates to this, but I'm not sure there won't be either. 331dot (talk) 10:52, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support either as news item or as ongoing - there have been decades of tension between the U.S. and Iran, and this particular negotiation is the outcome of over ten years of international negotiation, so the outcome is notable. -Darouet (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per 331dot. This still has to get Senate approval. That would have been the correct time to post this in any case. μηδείς (talk) 19:28, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Just another step in the process. -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Medeis and Kudzu1: What about "ongoing" then? George Ho (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ongoing. Abductive (reasoning) 01:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think ongoing is unnecessary. -Kudzu1 (talk) 14:50, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Withdrawn] RD: Fred Else

WITHDRAWN:

--George Ho (talk) 06:07, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

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Article: Fred Else (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ITV
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Had a long football career as a goalkeeper. George Ho (talk) 01:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
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[Closed] RD: Alex Rocco

Consensus appears to be against posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Alex Rocco (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Actor from The Godfather who later won a Comedy Emmy. '''tAD''' (talk) 14:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
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[Posted] Suruç, Turkey explosion

Article: 
Şanlıurfa, kills at least 31 people and injures over 100.
News source(s): BBC, RT, The Guardian

Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: A major terrorist incident with casualties expected to rise significantly as the event progresses. Nub Cake (talk) 11:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support article could use a little clean up and inevitably will expand as the news filters through, I would say it's almost good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Clean the article a bit first, it's not confirmed from the Islamic State yet (Decentman12 (talk) 12:00, 20 July 2015 (UTC))[reply]
Update: It's almost certain now that it was Islamic State. Nub Cake (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Brief target article seems OK, but suggest it mention involvement of local Kurds – or at least their predominance in Suruç. Sca (talk) 12:54, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some information in the new 'Background' section of the article. Nub Cake (talk) 13:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Sca (talk)
Update: I've fixed them. Most of them were unnecessary and were already dealt with in other citations elsewhere, but I've still added sources from different reliable news sites. Nub Cake (talk) 17:58, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - another notable and horrific muslim terrorist attack.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marked Ready – Sca (talk) 18:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, secondary sources indicate that it represents a dangerous new escalation. ISIS had avoided antagonizing Turkey (until now). Abductive (reasoning) 18:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Update:
A bombing in the Turkish district of Suruç, Şanlıurfa Province, kills at least 32 people and injures 104.' Thanks. Nub Cake (talk) 11:30, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
@
WP:ERRORS. Thryduulf (talk) 22:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

[Posted] Cuba and United States restore diplomatic ties

Nominator's comments: Consensus a couple weeks ago was to wait until the embassies were reestablished, and that has now been done. Major milestone that ends one of the world's longest-standing diplomatic freezes. Kudzu1 (talk) 04:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yep - this is an obvious one. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:27, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Both need updating; I added the 2nd article. George Ho (talk) 05:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Of all the recent US/Cuba events, this seems like the one that assures that the thaw is complete. --MASEM (t) 05:38, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - An important milestone. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - We posted the decision to renew ties in December, and we posted the removal from the state sponsors of terrorism list in April. While this is an important milestone, it does feel like this is just another step in an ongoing story that we have already covered, and perhaps not worth posting again. After all, we posted when they announced they were going to normalize ties, so I'm not sure there is a need to also post when they follow through with it. On the other hand, if the Cuban embargo were actually lifted, then that would be a good reason for posting again. But resolving the embargo requires US congressional action, and does not seem likely to happen soon. Dragons flight (talk) 08:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Historical EV. Sca (talk) 12:56, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Definitely an historic event. Resolving some of the last unfinished business from the cold war. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and marked as ready. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - definitely newsworthy.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:44, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted ALT blurb. SpencerT♦C 17:44, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 19

July 19, 2015 (2015-07-19) (Sunday)
Disasters and accidents

Arts and culture

International relations

[Posted] RD: Galina Prozumenshchikova

Article: Galina Prozumenshchikova (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SwimSwam Expressen BezFormata
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Not much media attention on this death, but Prozumenshchikova won five Olympic medals (including gold) across three Summer Olympics, plus other awards, as a Soviet swimmer in the 1960s and 1970s. She was the first Soviet athlete to win a gold medal in Olympic swimming. Kudzu1 (talk) 03:04, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

You are correct. I missed it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:44, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support multiple gold-medallist easily notable enough, article is short but well-formed. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:13, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per TRM. No issues with the article as it is at present, and clearly meets the criteria for an RD slot. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Multiple gold medal winner would seem to be "very important" to their field. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. --Bongwarrior (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] UNESCO heritage of Timbuktu were rebuilt

No consensus to post. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
Battles of Gao and Timbuktu.
News source(s): (BBC)

Credits:
 Jenda H. (talk) 13:01, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Shark attack disrupts surfing contest

Snow closing, no consensus to post this trivial story. 331dot (talk) 22:53, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

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Articles: J-Bay Open 2015 (talk · history · tag) and Mick Fanning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In surfing, the J-Bay Open 2015 is canceled after a shark attacks defending champion Mick Fanning. (Post)
News source(s): CNN The Australian The Washington Post
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Extremely unusual incident receiving worldwide media attention. Individually, it doesn't seem like this particular surfing competition is considered major, but it is part of the World Surf League championships. Kudzu1 (talk) 22:02, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first article looks short of prose and references. George Ho (talk) 22:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah, it needs a lot of work. -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Tabloid silliness. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:13, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Drop the dead donkey. Belle (talk) 22:47, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As Fanning came out mostly unharmed, this is a trivial news story. --MASEM (t) 22:49, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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July 18

July 18, 2015 (2015-07-18) (Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
  • At least four people are dead, seven injured and a girl trapped as a four story building collapses in
    National Capital Territory of Delhi. (NDTV)

Law and crime

[Closed] Westgate, Nairobi reopens

Closing
WP:SNOW. This does not meet ITN guidelines and there is no chance it will be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:42, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

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Article: Westgate, Nairobi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Westgate shopping mall in Kenya, which was damaged in a terrorist attack in 2013, reopens. (Post)
News source(s): BBC CNN
Credits:

Article updated
 Deryck C. 09:49, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I understand the emotions attached to this event for the families affected, but a shopping mall reopening, really? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's going to be 94 where I live, but I think SNOW is in the forecast for this nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A nor'easter of consensus is moving swiftly into this region.--WaltCip (talk) 14:00, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not of any note other than a memorial to the terror attack. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:14, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Charlie Hebdo ends Muhammad cartoons

SNOW close. SpencerT♦C 15:53, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Charlie Hebdo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo discontinues caricatures about Muhammad after the January shooting. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, Deutsche Welle
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: In a somewhat slow news period I think it's notable, especially after all those events after the shooting and previous attacks. Brandmeistertalk 09:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't really see the significance. If I'm understanding the editor correctly, he is saying the cartoons have made the point about freedom of expression that the magazine was trying to convey, so they are going to move on to other things. He doesn't want the magazine to be just about criticising Islam. They don't seem to be stopping because of danger or threats, so I'm not sure it's that newsworthy. Neljack (talk) 09:35, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The two do not seem to be connected. Even if it were, the wording is vague - everything Charlie Hebdo does is after the January shootings. Twirlypen (talk) 10:09, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Luz already left in May - it was his Muhammad that made people furious in 2011 and on the survivor's edition. -- Callinus (talk) 14:28, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Editorial revision at low-circulation magazine. Remember STRAIGHT after the attacks they had Mo on the cover? This isn't as sensational as it's being made out '''tAD''' (talk) 14:53, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Post hoc ergo propter hoc.--WaltCip (talk) 15:43, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Yoichiro Nambu

Article: 
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He died on July 5, but his death is announced on July 17. He discovered Spontaneous symmetry breaking, and was awarded Nobel Prize in Physics in 2008. 61.245.26.8 (talk) 06:34, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

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[Posted] Jules Bianchi

Proposed image
Article: Jules Bianchi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Formula One driver Jules Bianchi (pictured) dies at the age of 25, nine months after suffering a serious crash and entering a coma. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Formula One driver Jules Bianchi (pictured) dies at the age of 25, nine months after an accident at the 2014 Japanese Grand Prix left him in a coma.
News source(s): [10], [11], [12]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Notable figure in Formula One racing, death at a young age, death is reported worldwide --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: Good article, accomplished racer, quite a detailed death update. -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:03, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Article is impressive and well sourced. Subject meets qualifications for ITNDC. A sad loss. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:06, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb While a talented figure in his field, it is mainly the circumstances of his death that qualify him for RD under ITNDC. The bar for giving a blurb to the recently deceased is very high. I don't think he meets that standard. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Just a question: Would it be possible for this to be a regular In The News item rather than just a Recent Deaths item? Since Formula One hasn't had a driver fatality in more than 21 years (meaning, not since Ayrton Senna). Given that the death of someone who helped save Jews was on ITN despite being relatively obscure today, whereas Bianchi was a lot more well-known, maybe he could get a similar treatment?
    csdnew 04:22, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Full blurb pls, as was the consensus more than a year ago when the accident happened.
    Nergaal (talk) 04:37, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • @Ad Orientem, Kudzu1, and Narutolovehinata5: RD or blurb? George Ho (talk) 05:25, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb I don't think Bianchi meets the RD criteria - he never won a Formula One race and only picked up two championship points, so it's hard to describe him as a very important figure in the field of motor racing (or even Formula One). But a driver dying from injuries sustained in a Formula One crash is sufficiently noteworthy news to warrant posting as a blurb, in my opinion. Neljack (talk) 05:32, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - first death due to F1 race for 21 years. Mjroots (talk) 05:47, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per others, but feel it should make mention of the 20-year gap as that is what makes it newsworthy beyond RD. Melicans (talk, contributions) 06:20, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, though if added, should mention the event at which the accident occured, the
    Maria de Villota. The distinction would be too long to explain in a blurb. Twirlypen (talk) 06:27, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Support blurb Post this as a blurb. Article is GA. Death is tragic and highly notable. 117.192.178.212 (talk) 06:33, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - sad, but important enough for ITN.--BabbaQ (talk) 08:06, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted (by Bongwarrior) The Rambling Man (talk) 08:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Non notable whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.181.22 (talk) 00:45, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull He came in first in three minor races. Pardon me, but it's not like he won the final race and then died because someone hit him. That a person dies in a risky occupation does not elevate his notability. μηδείς (talk) 01:59, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support blurb - Notable enough despite appearing in minor races, as noted. His death should prompt aspiring racers to be careful from now on. Death might not be unusual, but it's so sudden and heart-wrenching. George Ho (talk) 02:29, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull, although I certainly have no say in this. When I saw this posted I nearly fell over. No one can argue the only reason this is supported is because it is not in the United States. If you will, flashback for a moment and just imagine trying to post Dale Earnhardt's death as a full blurb. I can see the replies now: ("US centric", "Indeed tragic, but Wiki is not ESPN", "A redneck who didn't wear his seatbelt correctly", etc.) Additionally, Earnhardt was far more successful in his racing career, regarded as a legend by some. I know this is not about him; however, this young man had not established such a career to merit such exposure on here. Don't get me wrong; I know this is already posted, and again I have no say in this, but you are blind if you don't see a double standard. While this is tragic to the international racing community, this is not a headline worthy of a full blurb on Wikipedia. 69.73.10.197 (talk) 05:05, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
At the time of Earnhardt's death, he was middle-aged (but successful). Bianchi was too young to die, but it happens to young aspiring race drivers. Still, Bianchi was promising... until his deadly coma. We could have posted Earnhardt's death, but there was no ITN at the time. ITN was created when... 9/11 (or 11/9) happened. --George Ho (talk) 05:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull This doesn't seem to meet our extremely high standards for posting deaths as full blurbs. wctaiwan (talk) 05:48, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The main story here isn't the notability or achievement of the driver, but the circumstances of his death. While deaths in motorsport in general certainly aren't unusual, deaths in Formula One seem to be slightly rarer, and that's apparently one of the reasons this received such strong support. Viewed in that light, this is somewhat analogous to the death of
    death criteria, but the circumstances of their deaths were deemed sufficiently unusual to justify posting. Obviously, racing is more dangerous than cricket, but you see where I'm coming from. (As an aside, I suspect the death of Earnhardt would have been posted quickly, with little to no opposition). --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:50, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Post-posting support part of the point of ITN is to highlight quality articles that are in the news. Regardless of personal opinion (and nearly falling over when seeing it posted is pretty extreme), this is one such example of a quality article. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:53, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull The topic is not really in the news with any prominence and the subject barely merits an RD entry so a blurb seems quite undue. Some imagery from Pluto would be better as the picture and so that discussion should be reopened. Andrew D. (talk) 10:58, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you'd be better off participating in the discussion over what item is actually pictured at ITN, right now, if we removed Bianchi, we'd put the plutaquark back, and I bet that would really pluta-irk you. By the way, your reasoning against Bianchi is way off, and your clear misunderstanding between RD and a standard ITN blurb lets you down a little, not that you'd be too upset by that. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:46, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull- It has to have strong article and notability, and this story is barely RD-level. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 16:11, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a
    good article, which is super-rare on articles we post, and if you don't think it's notable, try Googling it, it's in the news all over the world, even the United States. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
I would not disagree that the article is well written. Nor would I suggest his death is non-notable. But the standards for
WP:ITN are different. The subject arguably meets ITNDC because of the tragic circumstances surrounding his death. But there is no way this should have been posted as a blurb. And I am somewhat disapointed that it was posted so soon after the blurb was proposed, before most editors had a chance to weigh in. The rush to post has IMO resulted in giving a borderline RD candidate far more attention that he merits. A quick glance at the post-posting !votes makes it very clear there would have been no consensus in favor of posting had some patience been exercised. This blurb is a mistake and really should be pulled. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:21, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
I'm fine with the blurb, but the post-posting comments suggest it should be moved to RD. -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:46, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as is. As suggested by Bongwarrior, the story here is not the person who died, but the manner of death, which is unusual and is being widely reported on. The posting was valid as there was virtually no opposition to the idea at the time; if
    consensus has changed, okay, but the posting was not improper. 331dot (talk) 22:50, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
I respectfully disagree. The blurb was proposed and approved, all in about 4 hours. But the time frame was in the middle of the night for everyone in North America where you have one of the largest groups of English speaking peoples. In short, outside of Europe and the odd insomniac there was little input. Even in Europe it was very early morning when the blurb was approved. I am not sure how you define "valid" but I would label this as rushed with true consensus being highly doubtful. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:17, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There is no requirement for a chance for people in each time zone in the world or even just those with English speakers to post their opinion or otherwise have an arbitrary minimum discussion time before posting(both of which have been proposed before and never gained consensus). A good article with clear support at the time should not be artificially delayed in posting, especially in the recent slow period here for postings. No decision is written in stone here. Again, if you are saying consensus has changed, that's a different subject. 331dot (talk) 23:31, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There's still a clear consensus and if someone would like to propose a 24-hour delay so that all corners of the globe get to weigh in, please feel free to do so. It's something I proposed a while ago which was roundly shot to pieces. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] Tolikara riot

Close good faith nomination--the event is not one we hear of often. Unfortunately, regardless of the small news impact the article is also tagged and really needs heavy fixing. Should this develop more we can re-open or have a new nomination. Otherwise this is not quite up to par.μηδείς (talk) 04:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Tolikara riot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ One child death, 12 people injured, and several house and kiosk burned after a riot occured in Tolikara Regency, Papua, Indonesia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A riot occured in Tolikara Regency, Papua, Indonesia, resulted one child death, 12 people injured, and several house and kiosk burned.
News source(s): Solopos KOMPAS.com
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: This news was headline news in several news sites in Indonesia on this week. --
talk) 06:28, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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[Posted] Khan Bani Saad bombing

Nominator's comments: One of the largest death tolls of civilians in Iraq from a single event. Admittedly, a suicide bombing here is not uncommon, but the sheer scale of this is especially notable. Mamyles (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. Thanks for the updates. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've copy editted the article for style and idiom.[13]. There are no structural issues to prevent posting. μηδείς (talk) 18:01, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted with a few tweaks to both the article and the blurb, inline with our "house style". The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: why posted with wording 'killing' and not 'massacres'? gruesome crime, referred to as massacre widely in the press...
Because we report the facts, i.e. at least 130 were killed. You could say "massacred" or "slaughtered" or "mercilessly destroyed" or whatever, but here we keep it simple and neutral and link the article. If you still disagree, I'd suggest you add a note to
WP:ERRORS so that others can weigh in and determine whether your personal preference for the blurb is more acceptable than the one I posted, no problem at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

[Closed] RD: Alcides Ghiggia

Close as uninvolved, no indication of move toward support. μηδείς (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Alcides Ghiggia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Ovación) (The Guardian) (BBC)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Ghiggia scored a goal in 1950 FIFA World cup final at Maracanã, also representing A.S. Roma in more than 200 league matches and appearing in more than 100 for Peñarol and Danubio. MYS77 ✉ 18:40, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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[Closed] Pluto pic?

No longer relevant. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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A diagram of what a presumed 5-quark looks like is neat, but should it displace the historical photos of Pluto that will never be seen again (this century) at this res?

Nergaal (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

I wasn't trolling, but I knew I shouldn't have moved your message without permission. How can I convince you to forgive me? George Ho (talk) 05:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm afraid this discussion is going to moot. The racer's obituary takes the lead, so his headshot picture takes over, making the Pluto image unlikely. George Ho (talk) 10:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Nexen pipeline oil spill at Long Lake

No consensus to post.-Ad Orientem (talk) 01:55, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 
Nexen, near Fort McMurray, Alberta, spills at least 5,000,000 litres (1,100,000 imp gal; 1,300,000 US gal) barrels of oil emulsion into an area of around 16,000 m2 (170,000 sq ft).
News source(s): AFP via Yahoo CBC

Credits:

Both articles updated
Nominator's comments: This is an environmental impact, but the company is working on the spill, said they. George Ho (talk) 19:14, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You mean km2? George Ho (talk) 03:04, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, three times the square meterage of a football field. μηδείς (talk) 01:54, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me? Nice to know a football field is 5km² but i dont think its remotely correct. 91.49.94.143 (talk) 02:01, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You're making a common error. I said five thousand-plus square meters, not five thousand meters squared. George was right I did mean .016km^2 for the spill, the 16,000m^2 figure had already been given. Next time you're driven to anonymous sarcasm, try first figuring out what I might actually have meant if I wasn't entirely bonkers (i.e., AGF) and you might realize the misunderstanding. μηδείς (talk) 16:51, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I THINK this is the first such incident involving oil sands/shale oil.
    Nergaal (talk) 04:40, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Spilt oil is spilt oil, whether from a pipeline, tanker, or oil rig. The source is not really relevant to the damage, which is very minor in the scope of things (not that I'd want it in my town). μηδείς (talk) 01:54, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I... don't... understand... the logic other than it's-just-an-oil-spill excuse. You guys are relieved that oil didn't spill into a sea or an ocean and that contaminated area is not big. Such opposition makes many environmental news... not cut out for ITN. Of course, I can't advocate such stories to be posted in the news because Wikipedia is not an advocacy or soapbox. George Ho (talk) 04:49, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] 2012 Aurora shootings

No consensus to post. Although the nomination has not run too long, it is clear that this won't have consensus to post the item. SpencerT♦C 14:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 Martin451 23:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments gained international attention, both at the time of the shootings and now.. Martin451 23:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support I don't think there was any doubt to this ruling and in light of the Charlotte shooting it's been buried in the news cycle. However, we did ITN the original shooting and this is the point of proper closure from our side (there certainly will be appeals and the like, but that's beyond our normal scope for such reporting). --MASEM (t) 03:14, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    The Chattanooga Shooting or the Charleston shooting? I'm not aware of any major incidents in Charlotte. Maybe too many southern U.S. cities with "Cha" in them? --Jayron32 04:13, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Oops, meant the Chattanooga shooting (the ITN item just below). --MASEM (t) 04:59, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Whether the trial captures international attention does not reflect whether it deserves to be featured ITN. The trial was just other trials of mentally ill people with various sentences, either mental institution or jail, no matter how tragic and newsworthy the shooting was. Let's wait for sentence, appeals, and other method. George Ho (talk) 03:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Week Support per Masem, assuming the article update quality is present. (Which is the target, please? Two targets here makes no sense.) μηδείς (talk) 03:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, most casualties have already occurred long ago. Come back here when he's dead too, not earlier. Mikael Häggström (talk) 08:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose barely a passing note in today's news, and hardly surprising. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support once updated per Masem; we typically post convictions in notable cases, especially ones posted previously, though (as with below) I'm sympathetic to the arguments against. 331dot (talk) 08:46, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for sentence before making a decision. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We posted the shooting, which was highly notable, but I don't see that this very unsurprising verdict has the same level of notability or attention. Neljack (talk) 10:38, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per all. Another routine news. You kill some, you get hanged. Nothing of sort of news here. Not Boston Marathon case or any thing of that level which could draw international audience. -The Herald (Benison) • the joy of the LORDmy strength 12:59, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, although the tone of some of the comments above is unfortunate. It was not disputed that Holmes committed the shootings, so the only issue at trial was whether he would found guilty of murder, or not guilty by reason of mental illness. The resolution of that issue, while it will help dictate Holmes' future place of confinement, is not ITN material. Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:39, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] 2015 Chattanooga shootings

Soft close without prejudice to renomination if evidence of some kind of terrorist connection or conspiracy is uncovered. As of right now it looks like a lone gunman and there is clearly no consensus in favor of posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:25, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
Chattanooga, Tennessee.
News source(s): BBC USA Today Reuters

Credits:
Nominator's comments: Relatively low death toll, but the fact that it is being treated as an act of domestic terrorism seems to make it more significant. 
talk 22:27, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
You know what? I'll oppose this. Isn't there a fresher story not sensationalized? --George Ho (talk) 03:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - We should be clear between the difference between domestic terrorism and international terrorism; the latter would be a hugely significant event, while the US has many many domestic terrorism events and this feels like another, sadly, run of the mill case, barring knowing the exact intent of the shooter. I know they're trying to figure out if he was following the ISIS directive to cause chaos during this month, or if this was just his own action. Until we know this, they're just calling it domestic terrorism, and it is a rather minor one in such cases. (Contrast to the shooting last year on Capital Hill in Ontario, which also was termed domestic terrorism, but such is rare in Canada). If it does turn out to be an event directly linked to ISIS or similar groups and elevated to international terrorism, I would be willing to support it. --MASEM (t) 03:11, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose: Tragic, but a fairly low body count and no evidence yet of ties between the shooter and groups like ISIL or al Qaeda. If we don't post occurrences like this in other countries, we shouldn't "bend the rules" for the United States. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support The fact that one can simply walk onto a military base and shoot disarmed armed servicemen is notable enough, and this is by far the top story in the US. The article meets posting requirements. μηδείς (talk) 03:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Point of note: The first shooting was at a strip mall where a Nat. Guard recruiting office was, far from any security of a base; at the base itself he rammed his car into the gate to get onto the base, and did not "walk" onto it. Further, as I understanding the training base was a weapons-free facility so it was a matter until cops actually came around to stop him. --MASEM (t) 05:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until it's confirmed a terror attack (and it would be a shock if it weren't). Shootings happen every day, but it's seldom that the military are targeted here. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose an unfortunately common occurrence, regardless of the motivations. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support because it seems to be terrorism against military personnel, though I am sympathetic to the reasons in opposition. 331dot (talk) 08:44, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait somewhat dubious there's an international link, FBI still investigating but nothing conclusive - The 26 June Kuwait bombing and Sousse attack were included, but not the France one as it was lone wolf/unlinked. -- Callinus (talk) 09:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Terror attacks on national military is a common occurrence in the rest of the world. Even the death toll is relatively low for such an attack. 117.192.161.191 (talk) 10:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Kudzu1. Neljack (talk) 10:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - We've saturated ITN with enough U.S. shootings stories for a while. It needs to be something truly outlandish for a shooting to make it to ITN.--WaltCip (talk) 11:36, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't recall where in the ITN guidelines there's a max on posting news stories by category. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:13, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's not in the guidelines, but I think it's safe to say that a number of editors are tired by the continual posting of mass shootings in the US. After all this is English language Wikipedia, not American shooting Wikipedia. Of course, that's with no disrespect to all the victims. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:36, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yes, I understand that non-US editors are tired of these stories. As an American, I'm tired of them too. Australia had one mass shooting and they fixed their problem, while we can't get around the NRA to do anything. That doesn't make these shootings any less newsworthy, though. (Not all of them, but some of them.) – Muboshgu (talk) 17:15, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • It does make them less newsworthy to English language Wikipedia I'm afraid. If we published every suicide bomb/Boko Haram attack/ISIS killing, we'd have no room for anything else. Sadly, mass shootings in the US are now on that level of frequency which makes them need something beyond just a few people being killed by a lone wolf gunman. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:18, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • support - terrorism is always notable. the day we start thinking of terrorism in the free world we will go down a dark path.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:45, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Withdrawn] Heart land of Pluto named Tombaugh Regio

WITHDRAWN
I'll nominate this at DYK instead. --George Ho (talk) 16:53, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed image
Article: 
Tombaugh Regio after discoverer Clyde Tombaugh by the New Horizons team, reveal 11,000-foot (3,400 m) mountains made of water ice.
News source(s): Sky & Telescope Business Insider

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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This should make the Pluto story fresher and more updated, so someone would be pleased to see the heart-shaped region on the photo again. (Never mind, the obituary blurb will make the photo impossible to appear ITN again.) George Ho (talk) 07:36, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This is an incredibly trivial update to the story we just posted. --Bongwarrior (talk) 07:48, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nice gesture for the planet's discoverer, but I don't think it's ITN material. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:16, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose but prime DYK material. --MASEM (t) 12:22, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Wan Li

No consensus to post. --Bongwarrior (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Wan Li (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Bloomberg) (South China Morning Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. Colipon+(Talk) 13:21, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Really? I would say that a former Speaker of the US House of Representatives meets RD standards and would support posting such a nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Would you also support posting the other 50 countries that have a Speaker of the House? How about 50 countries' Vice Presidents, since they head up the Senate in the American congressional model? That would be a bit much. A role like head of a legislature is not enough justification for RD, alone. Additionally, all politicians advocate for their opinions, so that phrase from the nomination is also not particularly notable. Mamyles (talk) 17:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It would depend on the power of the individual. The US Vice-President has virtually none. The Speaker of the House is extremely powerful, arguably 2nd only to the POTUS. ITND criteria #2 says "The deceased was widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field." So yeah I do think the Speaker of the House meets that. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:43, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The "head of national legislature" argument is problematic and I recognize that, especially given that the body is known more to be "rubber-stamp". However, the position in China carries with it a certain level of prestige and is always given to individuals with significant personal clout (cf
household-responsibility system, which immeasurably changed the lives of some 800 million Chinese peasants, 2. attempting to push through constitutional reforms to make the National People's Congress a bona fide law-making body and 3. Almost summoning the body to resolve Tiananmen through constitutional means but being isolated in Shanghai. Colipon+(Talk) 18:56, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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This probably belongs on the talk page, not here. Two recent nominations, Jim Wright and Tom Foley were not posted due to lack of serious influence or accomplishment in the office. I would expect Tip O'Neal would have been posted and expect Newt Gingrich will also be posted. But I think the Chinese nomination should be discussed on the merits, not in comparison to the US. μηδείς (talk) 04:03, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article quality is very good and seems to be referenced well. SpencerT♦C 15:31, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Stricken, article has referencing issues. Weak Support if those issues are resolved. SpencerT♦C 15:58, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where is his name in the "Eight Immortals" article? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:37, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I asked myself the same thing... Zwerg Nase (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The article can't even agree on who the "eight" actually are. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:00, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support conditional on article improvement. I am not altogether sure how much juice the position has in China, i.e. is it mostly ceremonial? That said the corresponding article indicates it is the # 2 position in the political hierarchy of the PRC. That's good enough for me. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose inadequately sourced, BLP violations. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:58, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if article improved. Equivalent would be posted in US. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 19:28, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As Medeis said above, two US Speakers of the House, Jim Wright and Tom Foley, were nominated but not posted due to lack of serious influence or accomplishment. Would you consider those equivalents, or is there something else special with this individual? Mamyles (talk) 00:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per Medeis, plus article has problems. -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:05, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: while it may be a long shot now, I will add here that I have updated the article and improved referencing. Even if this does not ultimately end up on ITN/RD, I would like to ask any interested party to review the article to see if there are any further glaring deficiencies to the article. I am especially puzzled by User @The Rambling Man:'s suggestion that there are BLP violations - what are these violations? Colipon+(Talk) 19:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Quick response, last para of the "National politics" section is unreferenced and therefore contains BLP violations. Please be aware that BLP applies to recently-deceased individuals, and V applies throughout. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    The article is now fully referenced and also significantly improved, with an expanded introduction describing his significance. Please reconsider. Colipon+(Talk) 00:25, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am not sure how long RD's stay up but this nom is getting a bit stale. If it is going to be posted, I would do it soon. Otherwise let's close the discussion and move on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:42, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    His state funeral (or equivalent) is sometime this week, so it's not too late yet! Colipon+(Talk) 01:01, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Oskar Gröning trial

Closing as no consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:03, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Oskar Gröning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A 94-year-old former SS officer Oskar Gröning, known as the Auschwitz book-keeper, has been found guilty of complicity in the murder of 300,000 Hungarian Jews. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A 94-year-old former SS officer Oskar Gröning, known as the Auschwitz book-keeper, has been sentenced to four years imprisonment for accessory to murder of 300,000 Hungarian Jews.
News source(s): BBC, DW, Sky News, The New York Times
Credits:
 Jenda H. (talk) 09:01, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • support - an historic sentence.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • How do we know it's the last one? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This looks more like a kangaroo court. According to article, Gröning was responsible merely for counting and sorting the money taken from prisoners, not directly for their executions (and he later expressed some dissent to his Auschwitz boss). Brandmeistertalk 12:27, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's our place to question the outcome, rather to report the facts. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Per
WP:NOTNEWS some editorial judgement is often useful. This time book-keeper, next time they may find and sentence Auschwitz toilet cleaner as well. Brandmeistertalk 13:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Do you have reliable sources which state that the trial was not legitimate(a "kangaroo court")? It isn't for us to act as a second judge or jury and render our own opinions about the outcome. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You think they cleaned the toilets? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Would the murder of 300,000 Hungarian Jews have stopped or been disrupted if Auschwitz lacked that money-collecting book-keeper? No. In the grand scheme of things this four-year sentence for a 94-year man is almost nothing. Brandmeistertalk 15:17, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Whether he could have stopped the whole thing or not is not relevant; that's an argument for his trial, not here. This is in the news and involves major war crimes. I would again ask if any reliable sources have said this trial is not legitimate. 331dot (talk) 16:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. Maybe he wasn't even nominated. I am not sure I see the relevance, unless there is more than an
WP:OTHERSTUFF argument here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
I found this: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2011#John_Demjanjuk. I can't tell if it was actually posted or not due to article quality issues but it looks like there was at least consensus to post at the time. SpencerT♦C 15:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Aha. Thanks for the info. Sca (talk)
Demjanjuk was a big story due to his high-profile trials and legal proceedings. Gröning seems to have been less notorious – but in a way more thought-provoking as the bag-man, so to speak. I do think this should be posted; either blurb would work. Sca (talk) 22:07, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, it has been sensationalized. While attractive, I guess this is nothing new. There are other living jailed convicts from the Nazi era, but there is nothing special about this story other than... obviously. Changing to oppose. --George Ho (talk) 03:40, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - I have no love towards giving any attention towards this three-ring circus of a trial, but sham or not, it's undoubtedly historical. It's also possibly among the last few news events that will surface on ITN that has origins from World War II.--WaltCip (talk) 11:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's confusing. Confusing they would try to convict someone 50 years after the fact, and yes, it reeks of a sham trial - a resurrection of Nuremberg. In the U.S., at least, we have a statute of limitations, so this is rather bizarre.--WaltCip (talk) 11:40, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not denying it's unusual. That's how things get into the news, isn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: This feels like a weird show trial, and while it marks the conclusion of a legal saga, I don't know that it's so hugely notable that we need to put it on ITN. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The British Schindler was prominently placed on ITN for about two weeks. Do we really need another WWII story? Especially one as inconsequential as this? --Tocino 07:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. We are not here to judge Gröning, we are not here to judge the German judicial system, and it’s irrelevant if someone on the other side of this dreadful equation died recently. And we’re not here to guess whether or not there will be a future prosecution of a camp “toilet cleaner”. The fact that this trial has simply happened at all is notable. That’s why it’s in the news, worldwide. Various experts have said it’s likely to be the last of its type. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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July 14

July 14, 2015 (2015-07-14) (Tuesday)
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime
Science and technology
Sport

[Closed] Remove "Schindler"?

No consensus favoring the proposal. This is unlikely to change. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:24, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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RDs get 1 week and this guy has gotten 2 weeks of full blurb, most of which had his face as the ITN pic. Considering that its posting wasn't even close to unanimous, could we take his entry down (next)? There is absolutely no source still mentioning his death.

Nergaal (talk) 13:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

Be patient,
my dear. I nominated more stories to push his obituary down or out. Meanwhile, I need your vote on the Chinese stock market crash, or just vote on newer and fresher stories below. --George Ho (talk) 13:52, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
The
2015 Indonesian Air Force Lockheed C-130 Hercules crash occured the day before. And I'm pretty sure "there is absolutely no source still mentioning the crash". Shouldn't that be removed first? How many gaps are we allowed to have when news goes stale? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Why is there a more and more clear POV pushing mentality at Wikipedia. If we do not get what we want, we nitpick at the subject... Tiring to say the least.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose I don't understand what the rush is. Does having this humanitarian who saved hundreds of children's lives and was given top honors by two countries on the front page for a couple of slow news weeks after his death really hurt and offend you so much? Move on. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Just for the heads up, the British "Schindler" obituary is pushed out by fresher, newer stories. George Ho (talk) 15:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: M. S. Viswanathan

No consensus in favor of posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:06, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: M. S. Viswanathan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 1,2, 3
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
 Rahmanuddin Shaik (talk) 13:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Switching vote to weak oppose mainly due to
WP:V issues raised below. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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[Posted] Pentaquark

Proposed image
Article: Pentaquark (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists at CERN's Large Hadron Collider announce the discovery of a pentaquark. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Scientists at CERN's Large Hadron Collider announce the discovery of the Pc(4380)+ and Pc(4450)+ particles, the first significant observation of pentaquarks.
News source(s): BBC CERN arXiv Guardian NBC Daily Express Wall Street Journal
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The notability of this discovery should be undisputable, if accepted as true. Thue (talk) 09:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support in principle per above. Some slight expansion would be nice though. Brandmeistertalk 09:50, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I guess - This sort of thing is just a bit over my head, but science news is always a good thing to feature, unless there is some sort of major hole in this story. --Bongwarrior (talk) 09:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - noteworthy.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support 9 sigma of statistical significance is much better than any pentaquark discovery claim before, and the first to cross the 5 sigma limit. Not peer-reviewed, but very unlikely to be overturned at 9 sigma (the equipment and analysis will of course be world class, and the odds of it being a fluke measurement are 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000). Technically, pentaquark isn't a particle but a type of particle. CERN discovered two pentaquark states (one with more energy than the other - this comes from the fact that the two particles have the same quarks but with their spin arranged in different ways), so it's two for the price of one. I've added a more accurate altblurb. Smurrayinchester 13:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)}[reply]
  • Hold - Where is this in the news and why is it significant? I am not convinced this rises to the level of ITN. Jehochman Talk 13:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Added some more popular news sources. Many sites have only broken it in the last hour. Even the Guardian, which has a correspondent based at CERN, only published the story at lunchtime GMT today. Smurrayinchester 13:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(As for significance, it's probably not unlike the Higgs boson - pentaquarks have been predicted for years, but difficult to create. Creating one more-or-less as predicted suggests our theories are correct and gives us a way to investigate previously untestable theories about (in this case) the
strong force that binds quarks together.) Smurrayinchester 13:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Good point. I've expanded, and tried to make (a bit) clearer to the layperson what it means. Probably not yet lay-user-friendly though... Smurrayinchester 14:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Read
WP:LEAD. By the way, I moved expanded content to body. George Ho (talk) 15:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Followup comment After taking a closer look at the article I am concerned that as written, it is likely beyond the grasp of anyone without a PHD in physics. I understand that some articles will by necessity contain a lot of technical terms and jargon, but could we not put something in there that would be comprehensible to the science layman? -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:24, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggestion: Maybe the blurb should try to briefly explain what a pentaquark is and why it's significant. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the article should do that too. To the ordinary reader this is inscrutable. We can't post it in the current condition. Jehochman Talk 17:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
For what is always going to be a very technical article, I actually think it's pretty good. I'm no physicist, but I understood most of it, and what I didn't I got through the wikilinks. Support. Black Kite (talk) 21:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no physicist either but I read the first graf and I would say it's not unmeaningless. Sca (talk) 22:01, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I have only a layperson's understanding of physics, but the article largely made sense to me and wikilinks elaborate well on whatever you need - which, depending on background, may be quite a long wikiwalk, but we shouldn't shy from something because the subject is difficult. It is probably true that the vast majority of wikipedians, myself included, will not truly grasp the significance of this, but the same could be said of all variety of business and political stories that go up. It is still worth knowing that great and momentous things took place - and who knows, that extralong wikiwalk may prove fruitful to more people than we guess. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 22:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It looks there have been some significant improvements made. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support is not unanimous. This item should be pulled until the following major problem is addressed: "This article may be too technical for most readers to understand. " You can't put an article on the home page while there's this sort of maintenance tag at the top of it. Please address the issue and remove the tag, or else pull the article until it's ready. Jehochman Talk 12:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The tag was not present at the time it was posted (Ad Orientem added the tag, but then removed it when satisfied that the article was cleaned up). The tag was then re-added by an IP user after the article was put on the main page. I don't know should remove the tag - who can judge whether an article is too technical? Smurrayinchester 12:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Pulled and unpulled, since someone else removed the tag. Smurrayinchester 12:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(ec)Me. I'm a total physics dummy and I was pleasantly surprised that I understood most of the explanation (whether it is accurate is another question, but I shall parrot it to anybody that asks). The only drawback for me was the discovery of the Belle experiment. Help! I don't want to be a guinea pig. Belle (talk) 12:54, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse posting Support doesn't have to be unanimous. There's consensus that the discovery of a new kind of particle is worthy of ITN, and the article has been updated. The re-addition of the maintenance tag was not properly justified; science articles are inherently technical. Cenarium (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Iran nuclear agreement reached

Article: Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An agreement between the P5+1 countries and Iran regarding its nuclear program is announced. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News BBC CNN Le Monde
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Notable diplomatic agreement; being called 'historic'. 331dot (talk) 08:59, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Certainly seems like a big deal. --Bongwarrior (talk) 09:04, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consistency please We didn't post Greece, which was an agreement in a neverending story. This is also an agreement in another neverending story. Please be consistent. I would have said post both... So I guess I still *Support this, but please, start being more consistent here. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Greece was already in Ongoing; this is not. 331dot (talk) 09:36, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Valid point, even though it hasn't always been there, it was rather quite a fight to get it there. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:13, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - a huge progress in the Iran question. I guess.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:56, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Iran agreeing to anything ever is an ITN lol especially when it comes to Nuclear -- Ashish-g55 11:01, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - very important agreement. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – After a a decade of knotty negotiations, this is a milestone – even with congressional ratification pending. Arguably significant to a greater number than yesterday's 'agreekment.' Sca (talk) 13:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I believe Congress can pass a disapproval resolution but Obama could veto it; it doesn't need to be approved by them- though as 47 GOP Senators pointed out it can be changed in the future. 331dot (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This has been building up for awhile, and finally seems to be coming to fruition. Important story. Mamyles (talk) 14:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The article looks a little too long. The "14 July 2015" section looks a lot to be desired. The page needs improvements now, like restructuring and condensation. George Ho (talk) 14:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it could use some work, but C on the quality scale is sufficient for posting to ITN. Most articles we post here are not GA-level, and need a significant amount of work. Mamyles (talk) 14:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, it looks awkward in list format. Should be reformatted to prose instead. George Ho (talk) 15:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In the article, the news should be in the first paragraph, not the fifth, IMOEO. Sca (talk) 15:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support Major deal between major belligerents, or however you would term them. Thanks, Obama! – Muboshgu (talk) 15:55, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Obviously a major development in foreign affairs. I would also like to give a tip of the hat to 331dot for the neutral tone in the blurb. The agreement is obviously going to be controversial. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: A huge development in the field of international relations, with political and economic impacts that are expected to be far-reaching. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd like to see the article renamed or merged, or at least a decision not to do so, before posting this. Jehochman Talk 17:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nine supports, no opposes. (Signing has been moved to first graf.) Sca (talk) 22:10, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Congresswoman μηδείς voted Nay. Count Iblis (talk) 03:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I read that as a wait. Sca (talk) 14:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nobody seems to be looking at the fact that this goes to Congress, who can turn it down based on the "deal" arranged beforehand, and can probably still be taken to the Supreme Court and nullified unless it gets 67 votes. This should be a big wait. μηδείς (talk) 01:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • And/or that Iran's own parliament might squash the deal. Either way, we'd be back where we were, giving the Republican hawks some campaign material. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:41, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, it's the end of the decades old mini-cold war between mainly the US and Iran. Count Iblis (talk) 03:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support
    Nergaal (talk) 03:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
EV – And it even has a link to the full text. Sca (talk) 14:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This looks ready now. Posting. --Tone 14:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Go Set a Watchman

No consensus for marketing. Stephen 02:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Go Set a Watchman (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The novel Go Set a Watchman, written by Harper Lee, is now available in bookstores of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Go Set a Watchman, the second published novel by To Kill a Mockingbird author Harper Lee, is released.
News source(s): The Telegraph BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Renowned book goes on sale today: most pre-ordered on Amazon since Harry Potter series final book, all-night store openings, sequel to pulitzer winner To Kill a Mockingbird, unexpected discovery and unexpected nature of plot has added to public interest/controversy. FT2 07:30, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - No thanks. Story should be handed to promoters and media and Wikinews, not ITN. --George Ho (talk) 07:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, we got more serious stories than this. George Ho (talk) 13:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I believe it is of interest to our readers that a Nobel Prize-winning author who has said she would never release a book again, has released a book again. Thank you, --ceradon (talk • contribs) 07:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think we need to advertise this on Harper Lee's behalf. The factoids in the nomination would suit a fine DYK however. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Already in DYK; I did the DYK nomination. George Ho (talk) 08:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here is the previous discussion. I support this for the same reasons I supported it then. --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:17, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not notable enough in my opinion. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I think this should have been posted at the announcement; doing so now just seems like advertising, as others indicate.(The same argument was made previously, but I think it was less the case then than now.) If there was something else to hang our hat on in this case(some sort of sales record, maybe) it might be worth posting now, but I think we missed the boat. I don't oppose posting it per se if that is desired, though. 331dot (talk) 09:35, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this. I still support it now, but I think it was a bigger story then. Some wanted to wait until it was published, though, so we'll see. --Bongwarrior (talk) 09:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
At the time of the announcement, it was rejected because it was just a press release. Now that it's for real, it's being reject because it should have been covered when it was announced. Like a Marx Brothers cabinet meeting. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:10, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Baseball Bugs: Actually, all the Opposes say that it is not notable enough or that we should not advertise. The only one who mentioned "we should have posted" earlier was not an Oppose, but a comment. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:13, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The earlier opposes were mostly of the "wait" variety. Now that it's here, they had to come up with other excuses. Maybe more newsworthy than the book itself is some controversy around it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:34, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Now there's talk of a third Harper Lee novel. Mercy! Sca (talk) 15:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per most of the above comments. Books, including notable ones, are released all the time. We don't post them on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:52, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, unless we posted Radiohead's most recent album or something. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Uhh, I'd like that ;) Zwerg Nase (talk) 16:11, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted to RD] RD: Joan Sebastian

Article: Joan Sebastian (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
one of the best performing Latin songs of 2000, and has had several of his songs covered by multiple Latin artists such as "Lobo Domesticado" by Tommy Olivencia which ranked on the Latin charts in the US. Erick (talk) 02:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

Fundude99 is handling the updates and expanded on the Illness and Death section. If there's anything else that needs to be done, let us know. 03:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC) EDIT: I will continue to work more with Fundude later it is late where I live after I add some awards and do more clean up. Erick (talk) 05:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support pending improvements I fully support RD tag because the subkect is notable, but the article needs sources. There's huge sections in the lead, Early life, career and awards that need sources. Add more sources and it's a go! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:15, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad Orientem: and @TDKR Chicago 101:, have another look and let us know if there's anything else that needs to be done. Erick (talk) 05:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Marvelous job. Shall we have four names in RD ticker? I think we should retain the dead Saudi prince for a while until either stale or a new death. --George Ho (talk) 07:12, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until the article is copyedited, phrases like "Before he had a big successful music career", "he soon realized that music was his true calling", "he remains one of the most famous singers and songwriters Mexico has" etc etc don't belong here. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:17, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The phrases have been removed from the article.—Fundude99talk to me 07:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Those were just a handful of examples, the rest of the article isn't much better, e.g. "His versatility has helped him remain in the popular taste of the public.", "and the positive results came fast when in Ciudad Obregon, Sonora.", "The year 1977 was a transitionary year for Sebastian it was the moment when he stopped using his legal name Jose Manuel Figueroa and picked up his artistic name Joan Sebastian (Joan is how the name John is said in the Catalan language of eastern Spain) and Sebastian from San Sebastian." .... the whole article needs to be copyedited for tone and grammar. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:47, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The grammar throughout the article has been fixed.—Fundude99talk to me 08:21, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And I have helped improved the prose with Fundude99. Could you have another look? Erick (talk) 14:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - article has been expanded and looks ready for ITN inclusion. Best, jona(talk) 12:34, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Notability is clear, but we need a source for his discography. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:16, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Kudzu1: I added a source for his discography from Allmusic. Erick (talk) 16:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, thank you. I'd say this is ready to go now, and I support RD. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:34, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] New Horizons' Pluto flyby

Proposed image
Articles: New Horizons (talk · history · tag) and Pluto (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ New Horizons performs the first flyby of Pluto (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The New Horizons space probe performs the first flyby of Pluto (pictured).
News source(s): NASA
Credits:

First article updated, second needs updating
One or both nominated events are listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Prior nomination consensus was to wait until this week. It's hard to place an exact start and end to the flyby, but at the time of this nomination the closest approach is 12 hours away (note: it takes 4.5 hours for signal to travel from New Horizons to Earth). The image is an artist's depiction, so I don't know if "(pictured)" is the best way to refer to the image. 208.54.85.185 (talk) 23:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

  • Support Hard to know when the time to post really is, but since we're already learning things, such as Pluto is bigger than we thought, I see no problem with posting it as soon as it's updated. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:55, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, no brainer; suggest we use an actual NASA image, since they are free images. μηδείς (talk) 00:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note from nom about above comments: I actually just realized that the communications antenna will be pointed away from Earth during the closest point of the flyby, so data won't be received from the probe until about 1:00 UTC, 15 July (about 13 hours after the closest point of the flyby). But of course, the actual feat will have been accomplished before then and will be widely reported in the news. I think the artist impression is ok for now. It could be changed after data is received from the flyby. Currently-available images of the planet aren't very high resolution or particularly impressive. 208.54.85.185 (talk) 00:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd argue that what we have already from a few days ago (eg as from [15]) is a great image, it's the first time we've seen significant surface detail of the planet. --MASEM (t) 03:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'd support when we have news reports that say it happens, but I'd also be okay with when we get the best images per .185 above. --MASEM (t) 03:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I would use the alternative blurb, but I suggest you start it off with "NASA's New Horizons space probe" instead of the just "The New Horizons space probe". Also, for the picture, you should use the most recent capture of Pluto (for example, this). Aria1561 (talk) 04:30, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting this shortly before the flyby, possibly right after the TFA is bumped out. Either of these actual images are far more interesting than an "artist" drawing.
    Nergaal (talk) 05:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Support - Google posted their little fly-by cartoon on Monday, well before the point in time where New Horizons is at its own "peripluton" or whatever it would be called. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Regardless of celestial body, periapsis would be an accurate term - if it were orbiting. I actually don't know what the "correct" term for exact point of closest non-orbital approach is. Maybe still periapsis if it's influenced by that body's gravity? - OldManNeptune ⚓ 06:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once updated with article freely available images of the flyby, which could come hours after the event. -- Callinus (talk) 06:21, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting near as reasonably possible to the "actual" time of closest approach using most recent available images, to be updated with free NASA images as they become available. This is a goldmine of extremely valuable free images, we might as well enjoy it. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 06:40, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the radio blackout ends and initial contact is made following the flyby. Until then it is slightly speculative - there is always the chance of hitting something in a fairly crowded and poorly mapped system. 3142 (talk) 12:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The flyby has already been historic enough. If there was something wrong (very small chance since it crossed Charon's orbit pretty close to its L3 point), the blurb may well be updated. Cato censor (talk) 12:14, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done - If a low probability collision occurs, we would update the blurb. "New Horizons is destroyed while performing a flyby of Pluto" or whatever. Jehochman Talk 12:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • New Image! Hi res latest image. Suggest changing to this one.. its free as well. -- Ashish-g55 13:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Will do. I'm not updating the image yet because we've got Pluto as the Featured Article, and here we've got a picture of the space ship. Once Pluto is no longer the FA the image could be updated. Would be silly to have two pictures of Pluto on the home page at the same time. Jehochman Talk 17:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thats fine i didnt notice the pluto on left before. its same image there now anyways -- Ashish-g55 22:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 13

July 13, 2015 (2015-07-13) (Monday)
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Alaa Bader Abdullah executed

Article: Murder of Ibolya Ryan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Female prisoner Alaa Bader Abdullah is executed in her home country, United Arab Emirates, for the murder of Ibolya Ryan, a Romanian-American female teacher. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alleged perpetrator Alaa Bader Abdullah is executed in her home country, United Arab Emirates, for the murder of Ibolya Ryan, a Romanian-American teacher.
News source(s): Emirates 24/7
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The execution is so sudden in UAE. That's all I can say. George Ho (talk) 04:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I'm not sure what makes this item particularly special. I can't say there's necessarily been enormous press coverage about it. Are women usually not executed? SpencerT♦C 14:42, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Capital punishment in the United Arab Emirates is rare but legal. Too bad that article is inadequately sourced. There is one or no executions per year despite fifty death sentences, according to this source. --George Ho (talk) 15:42, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I am not seeing anything exceptional about this story. And as noted above, coverage seems pretty thin. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:18, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Philipp Mißfelder

No consensus. Stephen 00:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Philipp Mißfelder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel,
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Chairman of the biggest German political youth organisation for 12 years, foreign policy speaker of biggest German political party; please focus comments on notability, I will update the article more later today Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
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[Closed] Greece bailout

Yet another Grexit averted, temporarily, but just another chapter in the story, so our Ongoing covers this. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 
Greece's creditors and the Greek government agree a third financial programme for Greece to combat the Greek government-debt crisis
.
Credits:

Both articles need updating
Nominator's comments: Climax (so far) of a huge news story Smurrayinchester 07:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support: Very much in favour of posting this, but the article should be expanded a little more. Zwerg Nase (talk) 07:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Must we wait for EU's approval on this bailout plan? If we post this now, this would show impatience. George Ho (talk) 08:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Greek parliament has to agree a) the package and b) the reforms, and other Eurozone parliaments have to agree the package. That said, most news analysis is saying that the chances of anyone saying no (or nein, or οχι, or perhaps most threateningly of all, ei) is small at this point. No-one wants to go through even more of this. Smurrayinchester 09:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose then. We shall wait for decisions of other Eurozone parliaments then. George Ho (talk) 09:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But at that point it's less likely to be in the news. For complex international stories, we generally post agreements rather than waiting for parliamentary ratification - for example, we posted
ultimately did not). Smurrayinchester 09:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
I also say: Post it while it's still in the news. Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:39, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Donald Tusk termed it "an agreekment." Sca (talk) 14:49, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Tusk? No jokes about that deal being a white elephant, then. Or about Donald being the long pole in the tent. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:57, 13 July 2015 (UTC) [reply]
  • Wait until something actually happens. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:16, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It looks they are going to get another bailout and stay in the Euro. If it had gone the other way I would have supported, but this looks like more of the same. I think it is adequately covered in ongoing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:02, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose no concrete agreement has been reached. We already have ongoing. Nominating this every few days is counterproductive, we have a sticky, and an actual settlement or Grexit can always be proposed should it happen. μηδείς (talk) 17:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, at least until Greek government votes. Even with their pound of flesh it seems the European Ministers have decided the Greek economy is worth saving, even if that involves years of minute control and humiliation. As Ad Orientem suggests, largely covered by the ongoing. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:05, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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July 12

July 12, 2015 (2015-07-12) (Sunday)
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  • War on Terror
    • An independent report reveals that the
      Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. Many experts suspected that the bizarre torture and humiliation were not "a few bad apples" but meticulously planned techniques. (The Guardian)
Sports

[Posted] Singles Finals at 2015 Wimbledon Championships

(formerly Serena Williams wins Women's Singles)
Proposed image
Articles: 
men's singles at The Championships, Wimbledon
.

Serena Williams wins Women's Singles:
In tennis, American player

Women's Singles of The Championships, Wimbledon
.
In tennis, American player
Women's Singles of The Championships, Wimbledon
.
In tennis, American player
Women's Singles of The Championships, Wimbledon
.

In tennis, American player
men's singles.
News source(s): The Guardian

Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ... I don't know why, but ITN needs something fresher. Now Singles Finals should be featured on Main Page. We need fresher story George Ho (talk) 06:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

We can update the blurb or merge two blurbs as we did two separate football tournaments. Why else should we not post it soon? George Ho (talk) 09:35, 12 July 2015 (UTC) (I misread; I concur with you. George Ho (talk) 09:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC))[reply]
  • support - when everything is updated and ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:41, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per TRM once the men finish theirs we can do a combined blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:50, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Djokovic has won the men's. I don't know about the doubles competitions. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:37, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • We don't usually post doubles, AFAIK. Adding combined blurb now. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:41, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • I've swapped "gentlemen" to "men", as it's more recognizable to non-Brits. Brandmeistertalk 17:42, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • Do we need their nationalities in the blurb? To me, it's distracting and not that important. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:46, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
            • If it were a single stand-alone blurb, we can post nationalities as it's usually done, especially to sports teams. Omitting or posting nationalities in a combined blurb is up to administrators. --George Ho (talk) 18:59, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the main article has a decent summary of the women's final; the men's section could do with the same. I'd avoid bolding/highlighting the single draws, because there's barely any prose there, and omit the nationalities/opposition if we're short on blurb length.
One question though: is it possible to have two images or someone combining (side-by-side) an image of the two winners? I say this as the last sporting blurb involved both genders but was not changed, with a comment deeming it too US-centric - which ironically could well apply here.
Fuebaey (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
I now recovered and de-struck Williams-only blurbs due to quality concerns. We can post when the Men's Singles portions improve, right? --George Ho (talk) 20:30, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Non notable sporting event, should also be removed from ITN/R. WP is not ESPN. Aaaaaabbbbb111 (talk) 21:56, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Probably the most prominent Tennis competition in the world. I don't know what planet Aaaaaabbbbb111 where this can be considered 'non notable'. 22:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
We have had a lot of photos of men lately, including for the combined soccer blurb. -Kudzu1 (talk) 08:32, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly what I'm getting at. I support switching back to Williams. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:36, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to different Williams pic; admins, take your pick. --George Ho (talk) 08:40, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. --Tone 08:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 11

July 11, 2015 (2015-07-11) (Saturday)
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[Posted to RD] RD: Satoru Iwata

Proposed image
Article: Satoru Iwata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Satoru Iwata, Worldwide president of Nintendo Co. Ltd, dies at the age of 55. (Post)
News source(s): The Verge, Bloomberg
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: President of Nintendo since 2002, credited with helping led the company to be major competitor in the video game industry. RD only even with the death being a sudden loss (due to complications with a bile duct) MASEM (t) 00:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

  • Each person and/or blurb posted is weighed on its own merits; every field is different and gets attention and merit in its own way. 331dot (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb and try to stop comparing apples with oranges folks. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:51, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Iwata was an important figure of an important company who made an impact on the gaming industry. His death should be in the news section. Aria1561 (talk) 04:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You mean "blurb"? George Ho (talk) 04:52, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] El Chapo escapes prison again

Article: 
Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán escapes from Altiplano prison for the second time, resulting in a manhunt. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News CNN BBC The Hindu Le Monde

Credits:

Nominator's comments: The escape of someone described as "one of the world's most notorious crime figures"(NBC) and "the world's most wanted drug trafficker"(BBC) seems to be a big story. We posted his capture last year. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • support - both the dignity of the person and that it is his second escape makes this ITN worthy.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose blurb - We can't rush the story as is. Prison escapes... When was the last time these stories were posted? The escape from the Clinton Correctional Facility wasn't posted as a blurb, so why would this one? If you insist, support ongoing until the person is either dead or captured alive. (Must rescind; see further down) George Ho (talk) 09:54, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Clinton escapees did not quite have the stature of this man, and their crimes were not international in scope(I think) as this man was wanted in both Mexico and the US. I don't "insist" on anything; this will either be posted in some form, or not. 331dot (talk) 10:00, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:02, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
We can't post this just because it's "huge" in Mexico and elsewhere or he's the second most-wanted man. Not all most-wanted people are featured on front page. Terrorists like bin Laden may have been media's attractions, but I haven't seen yet one prison escapee posted ITN (unless I'm proven wrong). --George Ho (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't stay that this should be posted because this is huge news in Mexico. If you read the rest of my comment, you will know that the notability of this man is what makes this worth for the main page. The fact that there hasn't been any prison breaks before isn't a good reason to not post this. He is the first man to escape from that prison, the top one in all of Mexico (he escaped in 2001 from another). He heads the world's largest drug trafficking group. That is pretty notable to me.
☎ • ✎) 19:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
The man's notability would not affect how Wikipedia's ITN works. Of course, I did vote for "ongoing", but now I must rescind. If it's posted, we might mislead readers into believing he's unstoppable or frighten readers into fearing for their lives. We did post his arrest, but we had no idea of whether he would escape again. Id est it shouldn't have been posted in the first place, but majority supported it. Probably the best thing to re-feature the BLP is either his capture or death. --George Ho (talk) 19:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The WEAKEST of possible supports and with the stipulation that this should not be seen as a precedent. Normally prison breaks, even those by notorious gangsters, would get a quick oppose from me as tabloid news. However I note that we are in an exceptionally slow news cycle and some of the posted blurbs have grown decidedly stale. To that end I think we might give this story a pass. If you like, we could file it under IAR for convenience purposes since I really don't think it meets ITN guidelines. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:46, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you are saying but this isn't a garden variety gangster; he seems to be regarded as #1 in the criminal world. Escaping from prison twice is also somewhat unusual. 331dot (talk) 15:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You should read this article to understand the significance of his escape a bit more. To add on what 331dot said, he also escaped from Mexico's top maximum-security prison. This is likely going to have big impacts in U.S.-Mexico relations, considering that several U.S. federal courts had requested his extradition.
☎ • ✎) 15:51, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Why would relations between two sovereign states be impacted by one vicious drug lord? He is dangerous, but there are other more hugely dangerous escapees crossing the border. --George Ho (talk) 20:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am not an expert in U.S.-Mexico relations, but I'll try to provide my understanding of things. At least in the U.S.'s eyes, it shows that they cannot fully trust Mexican officials and that their anti-drug efforts (which are bilateral, by the way) are often pointless if things like this happen. I think it affects U.S.-Mexico relations in the sensitive areas of bilateral law enforcement cooperation and intelligence sharing. In addition, it is frustrating for the U.S. to pour billions of dollars and have Guzmán walk away just like that. They played a pivotal role in Guzmán's decade manhunt, and apparently in his arrest as well. Considering that corrupt officials already let
☎ • ✎) 20:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
What about Mexico's eyes? What do they see the American government? --George Ho (talk) 20:50, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I do not understand your question completely. But it's difficult for me to assess how things will play out at home. The administration's best trophy in the drug war is now gone. The President said an escape would be "unforgivable" in an interview last year, so we'll see.
☎ • ✎) 22:42, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
  • The Mexican drug cartels essentially are leading an armed struggle. 331dot (talk) 01:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, he'll just go back and head the world's largest drug trafficking organization. The fact that we can't predict exactly what will happen after his escape shouldn't be a good reason not to post this. His escape is very notable given the incident and the person involved.
☎ • ✎) 19:22, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Conceding this would get some attention in any event, I think one of the reasons this story is getting so much coverage, is again, the incredibly slow news cycle. My God, I think even the sharks have stopped biting! -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:58, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - this guy is more important than the leaders of many countries. I mean, the Mexican cartels are no ordinary gangs - they hold more sway in northern Mexico than the Mexican government. Wnt (talk) 19:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted a bit more quickly and with a slightly weaker consensus than I'd usually prefer, but it does have consensus, the update is there, and we've got to post something. --Bongwarrior (talk) 22:41, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Collapsing side discussion. SpencerT♦C 16:28, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Shall we inspire prison escapes to be posted in the future? Perhaps I'll nominate terrorists escaping prisons then or prison escapes during prison riots. George Ho (talk) 22:58, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Isnt that a matter of case to case basis. Per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. One case is not similar to the next.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed; each case is considered on its own merits. It would depend on the terrorist that escaped, or the extent of the prison riot. Each case is different. 331dot (talk) 01:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
MH17 or Germanwings Flight 9525 or 2015 Sousse attacks? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:54, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Why comparing prison escapes to plane crashes and terrorist attacks? As I said, posting one prison escapee has been unusual, even in this case.
What's your point? George Ho (talk) 20:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
You were the one making the point George. Perhaps it's lost in translation but your post " Shall we inspire prison escapes to be posted in the future?" seemed to suggest that you thought posting this story would encourage other events of a similar nature to occur. My point was that if you were suggesting that, other posts would inspire other such stories to be repeated. Do you understand? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I did ask whether this would be a predecessor to many other escapee stories. It would inspire more escapee stories to be nominated, but chances of posting a prison escape is... slim. In this case, since we did post his arrest, we posted his escape just for the heads up. I was thinking: if we hadn't posted his arrest, we wouldn't have posted his escape unless consensus agreed with the escape, not the arrest. George Ho (talk) 21:00, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 10

July 10, 2015 (2015-07-10) (Friday)
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  • Greek government-debt crisis
    • A bailout plan is submitted two hours before the midnight deadline. The plan would raise a retirement age to 67 and cut pensions by 15% for those retiring at 62. (LA Times)(Money Control)
  • Ellen Pao resigns as the interim CEO of Internet site Reddit following a user backlash over the deletion of some subreddits for harassment and sacking of a popular admin. Site co-founder Steve Huffman will take her place. (WSJ)
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[Posted] RD: Jon Vickers

Article: Jon Vickers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times CBS News The Guardian Le Monde Die Welt
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
talk 15:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

  • Support pending article updates - Importance seems there but the article is virtually unsourced. --MASEM (t) 15:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Major Improvement Needed the article has an entirety of seven citations, two of which are about his death and three of which support only two claims in the entire multi-paragraph acreer section. Each stage appearance will need a reference, since a blue link to the Opera will not link us to a primary source in such instances. Even then, that he got a high civilian award from his homeland doesn't strongly establish RD-level notability. μηδείς (talk) 22:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very weak oppose largely due to the state of the article currently; but I'm also not convinced that the one award is sufficient. Usually when people get those sorts of awards they already have a lot of other awards. In this case it just seems to be recognizing his long career. If it was clearer how this person is "very important" to their field, I would support. 331dot (talk) 22:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support While I agree that the awards would not by themselves establish that Vickers meets the criteria, he easily meets the criterion of having been "widely regarded very important figure" in his field. The Guardian obituary calls him "one of the outstanding operatic tenors of his generation",[16] the BBC says he was "considered by many to be one of the greatest opera singers of the 20th century"[17] and the Washington Post states that his voice "was regarded as one of the finest sounds to fill an opera house in the past half-century".[18] Neljack (talk) 02:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support with improvements. Honestly, I don't see a tremendous case for notability, but the Order of Canada honor maybe just nudges him across the line. However, the article needs some work to track down additional citations, and there may be some BLP issues. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Article has been improved and should meet acceptable standards for posting. Marking ready as consensus appears to exist; feel free to unmark if there are still problems. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now that the article has been improved. As for notability, if you read the many obits, Vickers was an opera legend and widely considered the greatest Wagnerian tenor of the 20th century. Among opera lovers he is ranked up there among Callas, Domingo, Pavarotti, Sutherland, Sills, etc. as one of the great voices of the 20th century. Notability is not an issue. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:47, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per 4meter4, a legend, - I added sources, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This man died later in Ontario than Sharif in Cairo. George Ho (talk) 22:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Excellent update/ref work, suggest posting admin make sure Gerda Arendt gets update credit on her talk page. μηδείς (talk) 01:47, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This has been ready to post for 48 hours. If the page admins are not interested in posting it, it should be closed. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted apologies for the delay. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Roger Rees

No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 16:26, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Roger Rees (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Playbill
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Tony Award-winning actor also recognizable from roles on television shows like Cheers and The West Wing. Kudzu1 (talk) 05:11, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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[Closed] Shanghai Cooperation Organisation

Closing without prejudice to renomination. No !votes have been cast and as noted by Spencer no real explanation of significance has been offered. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:53, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
7th and 8th permanent members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
 125.14.52.226 (talk) 02:04, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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[Posted] RD: Omar Sharif

Article: Omar Sharif (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Multiple Golden Globe winner, Egyptian-American actor famous for roles in Lawrence of Arabia and Dr. Zhivago. RD only, not blurb MASEM (t) 14:00, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

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  • Support I've now marked as updated, as the article shows. Brandmeistertalk 14:27, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support Some refs need date tags. Other than that, I support this. Academy Award nominee is certainly top of his field, article seems well referenced. Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support once those first two sections are referenced. Connormah (talk) 14:39, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support - Notability is there. We need the referencing though. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:55, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -
    Dr. Zhivago are absolute classics. Oscar nominated, multiple Golden Globes. Guy (Help!) 15:32, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Support conditional on article improvement. Clearly meets ITNR criteria. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:59, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Highly influential culturally for his roles in David Lean's epic films. Sca (talk) 16:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per all the other appropriate supports. The article needs work. This has nothing to do with ITNR. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:27, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – influential. Oscar nominated.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:30, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sources I have removed the section tag and a few unsupportable claims from the acting career section. No reference is needed for any role in which the film itself, a
    WP:PRIMARY SOURCE credits him. Some of the early life and bridge playing claims need citing, but I would be just as happy to see them hidden so we can post this asap, the claims are not essential and the nomination should go up asap. μηδείς (talk) 16:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
I concur. Articles do not need to be perfect to be linked on ITN. They do need to be reasonably well sourced and free of any other serious problems. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Then feel free to instigate a discussion to remove "Articles that are subject to serious issues, as indicated by 'orange'- or 'red'-level tags at either the article level or within any section, may not be accepted for an emboldened link." from the instructions. Yes, it says "may not be accepted" because it used to say "will not be accepted" and several admins over-ruled that. If you wish to allow items with orange or red tags and multiple {{citation needed}} tags then I think it's worthwhile capturing that in the instructions so we don't go round this discussion again and again. Please make a proposal. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:45, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am working on resolving the tags or hiding the problematic material, the section tags are based on this and will come down once I can address the specific issues. μηδείς (talk) 16:49, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have hidden or cited all material with tags and removed the page tag. The only section that may need addressing is the filmography; normally we require refs for films that are redlinked. They can be deleted, and the section changed to selected filmography, which is what I will do if no one else takes action over the next 30-60 minutes. μηδείς (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support - Oscar nominated, Golden Globe winner, appeared on classics, death is reported around the globe, and had a very high impact on the Egyptian movie industry. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Listed in RDs of French, German, Dutch, Danish & Spanish WPs. Sca (talk) 17:39, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Once again, irrelevant and knowing the standards of those WPs, worse than irrelevant I'm afraid. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This user no longer responds to, or comments upon, statements made anywhere on Wikipedia by TRM. Sca (talk) 20:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And that has no relevance whatsoever to this discussion, your position has been made clear on your user page. Either way, the point remains that your post, while interesting, has no relevance here. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Idem. Sca (talk) 20:58, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Idem. But thank you for responding now twice despite saying you would not respond at all ever again. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So who exactly is this
IDEM? And have they just died? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC) [reply
]
[19], i.e. the same as before. Sca (talk) 00:02, 11 July 2015 (UTC) [reply]
shucks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:28, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support well known for Lawrence of Arabia. -- Callinus (talk) 17:45, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ready the article is actually ready now, as of these edits removing the last of the unsourced items - the redlinks can be restored if they get citations or become blue links, see that article talk. μηδείς (talk) 18:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Notability is clear. Good work by Medeis to bring the article to a level fit for posting. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I am good on even numbered days, evil on odd numbered days. μηδείς (talk) 19:09, 10 July 2015 (UTC) [reply]
Alas, Medeis, adieu. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Overwhelming consensus supports posting this now.--WaltCip (talk) 18:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Compared to what I had seen at the time of the nomination, the article is tons better shape and ready to go. Kudos to Medeis for the improvements to that. --MASEM (t) 19:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:26, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you blind? Did you see that there is one sentence alone on his death for an "update."120.62.30.168 (talk) 19:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are in no position to talk having nominated an egregiously sub-par article for ITN.--WaltCip (talk) 19:53, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The bar was lowered for such RD nominations so that a five-sentence three-source update is no longer considered necessary. Our hostile anonymous IP is welcome to add to the update. μηδείς (talk) 19:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(To add, specifically only for RDs - as the update for most is one or two sentences that explain the circumstances of their death. For all other topics we do still expect five-sentence, three-source update, hence why ITNR sporting event results we push to have a describe of the winning event). --MASEM (t) 22:46, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm guessing, but I don't think Brad is blind. He may be, in which case he does a decent job of not making it obvious. For your information IP120, the criteria for RD include the following: "In addition, the article must have been satisfactorily updated and have no major omissions of the person's life and effect. " So, a satisfactory update might be thousands of characters about a tragic passing, or a series of testimonies from prominent B-class figures, or it might just be a sentence to say, sorry guys, he's died, and that's all we have right now. If you'd like to "update" the "update" criteria, feel free to start a discussion mandating an objective and testable update criterion. In the meantime, please stop being so offensive (or puerile), and try to actually do something to improve Wikipedia (rather than expecting everyone else to do it on your behalf). You could even log in to one of your accounts and do something positive! WaltCip makes an excellent point, by the way.... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] BRICS

UNANIMOUSLY OPPOSED:

Re-nominate (or re-open) when article is expanded and event starts. (

non-admin closure) --George Ho (talk
) 00:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Article: 7th BRICS summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 7th BRICS summit concludes in Ufa, Russia. (Post)
Credits:
  • Nominated by [[User:120.62.30.168 (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)|120.62.30.168 (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:120.62.30.168 (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)|talk]] · [{{fullurl:User talk:120.62.30.168 (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5B7th+BRICS+summit%5D%5D&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=7th+BRICS+summit&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])[reply]

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Concluded a day ago. 120.62.30.168 (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Oppose item is barely stub-quality. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:16, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article requires massive expansion from its current state. Currently it's simply name of event, people who went. Cowlibob (talk) 13:20, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Summits are typically meet and greet photo-ops these days. If something really important comes from it we can revisit the subject. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this should not even be on ITNR since the phenomenon is essentially accidental; for a while those nations, which had been underdeveloped in comparison to the G7 economies, were growing at a faster rate. As of now China, Russia and Brazil have major economic issues. Posting a stub on this would be like free advertising for a selection of junk bonds. μηδείς (talk) 17:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment objections to BRICS summits being on ITNR should be addressed via proposal for removal at
    WT:ITNR. I think we're all agreed that we won't be posting a stub, in any case. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:43, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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July 9

July 9, 2015 (2015-07-09) (Thursday)
Business and economy
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Politics and elections
Sports

[Posted] China bans stockholders from selling stocks for six months

Article: 
stock market crash on the Shanghai Stock Exchange, the China Securities Regulatory Commission imposes a six-month ban on stockholders owning more than five percent of stocks from selling their stocks, leading to around 1,300 firms suspending stock trade.
News source(s): Reuters The Guardian

Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Better late than never. Should not be considered stale; in fact, it has been days after two association football matches but before a prison escape. George Ho (talk) 05:32, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - first blurb is okay. Why are more alt blurbs needed?Jonpatterns (talk) 09:50, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Glad to see an article now, since there wasn't one last I looked. Amazing how this story has flown under the radar, what with the tumult in Greece, the Iran nuclear talks, the Pluto flyby, and a rash of recent deaths. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:33, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Has been in the news, notable Chinese economic development. I feel like the "Causes" section meets the bare minimum but I'm not sure what else could be added since it does feel on the short side. SpencerT♦C 16:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the story on notability; no opinion on quality of article. μηδείς (talk) 19:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I eliminated uncited statement and added another source verifying another statement. George Ho (talk) 21:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Didn't Enron do the same thing? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:30, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephen (talk • contribs) 23:28, 14 July 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Christian Audigier

No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 16:26, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Christian Audigier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Us Magazine
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: One of fashion designers selling or working with many brands. If some Mormon pastor gets mentioned, why not this person? George Ho (talk) 08:43, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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[Posted] RD: Saud bin Faisal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud

Article: 
Saud Al Faisal, the Saudi Arabian Minister of Foreign Affairs, also son of the late King Faisal, dies at age 75.
News source(s): Gulf NewsAl-Jazeera

Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is in good shape, and the person is a prominent politician in Saudi Arabia. George Ho (talk) 23:28, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

Oppose blurb Important... but not that important. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:36, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Longest ever, and the architect of current foreign policy there, should be a blurb.120.62.18.109 (talk) 00:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let's face the facts RD or blurb, this guys name is going to take up a whole line at least. Support for RD. - Floydian τ ¢ 03:11, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • His name can be shortened, as I suggested, to Saud Al Faisal. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:12, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD once the article is tidied up. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:07, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, strong oppose blurb - DC is met, but I'm not seeing so much importance to require a blurb at all. --MASEM (t) 15:15, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support list, oppose blurb as he was apparently not seen as a pivotal figure in the region by overseas sources. Guy (Help!) 15:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD tag but oppose blurb, he was an essential and highly ranked Saudi politician, but not notable enough for a RD tag since he wasn't an internationally-renowned political figure. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD. Important world leader, but largely behind the scenes. Article seemed fine when I looked last. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 17:30, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose no real accomplishments listed nor participation in historical events implied, not a head of state, simply one of a large nepotistic (which I mean only objectively) monarchy. μηδείς (talk) 17:40, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb. Note: If posted to RD, please note that he died before Omar Sharif. Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:28, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    No big deal, they'll both be removed at the same time when they become stale. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:58, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT♦C 12:27, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Srebrenica veto

no trend in support of posting. μηδείς (talk) 17:49, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
UN resolution condemning Srebrenica massacre as genocide. (Post)
News source(s): NYT

Credits:

Article updated
 198.16.164.205 (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Not seeing any update in the article right now. SpencerT♦C 15:50, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Updated. 198.16.164.205 (talk) 16:04, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • support - when updated.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:58, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose This looks like business as usual at the UN and I have serious doubts it rises to the level that we usually look for in terms of coverage and significance. That said, we are in a pretty slow news cycle so maybe we could give it a pass. In a busier news cycle I would oppose this more strongly. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:22, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as significant in the burgeoning historical treatment of one of the most horrific acts in Europe since the 1940s and 1950s. Interestingly, the scuttlebutt from Belgrade is that Serbia agreed to abandon its application for NATO membership in order to obtain Russia's veto here. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:38, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - As said, it's "business as usual". Russia vetoes any UN resolution that is deemed a threat to international security, including sanctions over the Ukrainian crisis. Look at vetoes by the US regarding Israeli–Palestinian conflicts. George Ho (talk) 19:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per above. The massacre is already considered a genocide by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and the International Court of Justice. So UN's decision to adopt a resolution on the 20th anniversary of the massacre and not much earlier looks like a publicity stunt, considering for example four toothless resolutions on Nagorno-Karabakh. The famed UN blue helmets of the 90s are unfortunately gone almost everywhere, in time of dire need... Brandmeistertalk 21:10, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose When is the last UN veto we posted? Just because it's obviously craven patronage doesn't make a policy decision into an historical event. μηδείς (talk) 00:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This would be interesting if it was tied in any way to the Donetsk People's Republic - but I don't see anything like that reported. -- Callinus (talk) 12:29, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Ongoing: New Horizons flyby of Pluto

No consensus to post item at this time. SpencerT♦C 16:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I've see 3 different articles on BBC about New Horizons in the last week, and since the actual flyby is less than a week away I think this would be a fine chance to give some spotlight to what some still want to think this is the 9th planet.

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]

  • support - a blurb however. This is interesting and notable.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:13, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would support a blurb during the actual flyby, which I believe is set for 14 July. -Kudzu1 (talk) 15:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ongoing, support blurb when it happens - It's going to be interesting when the first photos come back to us for analysis and wonderment, but I can't see the leadup to this being a ongoing element, as it only seems to be "it's getting closer -- it's getting closer..." type news until the closest passing actually happens, in contrast with daily violence in conflicts or near-daily match updates for sporting events. --MASEM (t) 15:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - One suggestion would be to post it when consensus has been established as it is already all over the news and in fact ongoing until 14 July atleast.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is the article recieving substantive updates, or just changes to the distance figure? Abductive (reasoning) 19:32, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The article now has some detailed pictures of Pluto in it! Which I think rather counts for something. Wnt (talk) 21:26, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a Pluto blurb to run on July 15. See [20] - there is a plan to cover image returns live on television starting 3 p.m. EDT that day. The probe will actually be OUT of contact on much of the 14th, so there won't be anything for us but the not-news that it MIGHT be recording things, AFAIK. We should be ready to move on the story to feature it the instant the images start coming out... or alternatively, to cover the tragic story of the probe that went into safe mode on flyby day (let's hope not, NASA says it has failsafes...) The first of these blurbs thus should be that New Horizons returns images from its July 14 flyby of Pluto... Wnt (talk) 21:26, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting the flyby per ITNR (the arrival of a probe at its destination) but I don't think ongoing is appropriate. There isn't a lead up to the flyby warranting coverage; the media attention nonwithstanding. 331dot (talk) 22:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose posting until next week, best pictures are expected Weds. Posting anything now is far too premature, and since this is a flyby, ongoing is also a bad idea. μηδείς (talk) 00:41, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Next Wednesday should be the 15th, so I think we're in agreement. I'll add though that I don't know we'll see the best pictures the 15th - the probe is expected to take 16 months to upload images to NASA, and I have a feeling we'll be contenting ourselves with thumbnails and technical parameters at first. But ITNs tend to hang around a long time, so if there's an incoming stream of flyby images with fresh news coming in daily, it'll be good to have it up from the 15th till whenever it expires. Wnt (talk) 11:29, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose (for ongoing) All that's ongoing is that every day, we get a slightly less blurry photograph of the planet. Wait a few more days, and the best quality photographs (plus most of the best scientific data) will come out, and we'll have a good blurb. Smurrayinchester 07:48, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ongoing post it per ITNR when it "arrives at destination". The Rambling Man (talk) 08:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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July 8

July 8, 2015 (2015-07-08) (Wednesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Business and economy
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International relations
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Sports

Ongoing: 2015 Pan American Games

Article: 2015 Pan American Games (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: There is a significant international sporting competition around the corner (beginning July 10), and so I figured I would raise it here ahead of time to see if it can be whipped into shape to be Main Page ready and whether there is consensus to post this into ongoing. Floydian τ ¢ 07:00, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support We need to look at these multi-country several-week-long events and evaluate them for ITN. Having something this big hidden away from the frontpage would seem counter-productive to WP. The ongoing ticker would alert many casual users to the event, and hopefully bring in more editors too. So I fully expect this to be closed by lunchtime today as a "No". Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:20, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: I've moved this nomination back to today so we don't have all the empty sections which will cause chaos. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:21, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Ongoing for this regional competition(aside from opposing the presence of sports on Ongoing in general but it looks like that ship has sailed). 331dot (talk) 09:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Eh, ongoing is pretty harmless, and we posted the Commonwealth Games. ITN is not very busy at the moment, and that will continue as we dive into silly season. Smurrayinchester 09:58, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is not the highest level of competition in the relevant sports, and is not of world-wide relevance. To get a spot on ongoing a sporting competition needs to tick at least one of those boxes. The opening, closing and/or any significant individual records/happenings can be nominated for a regular blurb if desired. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is a whole hemisphere, which is half the world... over 40 countries, tied into IOC competition, seems like the next closest thing to the Olympics. - Floydian τ ¢ 13:46, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing only.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:18, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as per BabbaQ. And there is no requirement that ITN be restricted to murder and mayhem. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:30, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Thryduulf. This is a slippery slope. If we say yes to this it could open the door to all sorts of other regional and hemispheric sporting events. I would support ongoing for the Olympics, but that's probably it in sporting events. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Not just Americans and Canadians and Mexicans, but also other athletes from Latin America. This is the Americas' version of Olympics, so why not feature this on Main Page? George Ho (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Scheduled sporting events don't need to be on ITN for readers to find the story. Abductive (reasoning) 17:00, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't they? What's your rationale behind that statement? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:52, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Because the reader who is presently interested in the Pan American Games already knows that they are interested in the Pan American Games. Once the games conclude, readers who were not following the games can be directed to the article. Abductive (reasoning) 20:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Same thing for the Women's FIFA Cup? --George Ho (talk) 20:35, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Same thing for any news event. ITN is not intended to take the place of BBC.com, it's intended to showcase Wikipedia articles. And confining it to murder-and-mayhem is a rather narrow scope. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:38, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
One could take your first three arguments as reasons not to post to ongoing.... Abductive (reasoning) 03:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Or not to post anything - to abolish ITN altogether. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:38, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ironically, I have an anecdote to this. I generally just change the url after the /wiki/ in my browser to change pages, rather than searching them. I tried "Pan-am Games", "Pan-Am Games", "2015 Pan-am Games", "2015 Pan-Am Games" and "2015 Pan Am Games" before resorting to the search bar to find "2015 Pan American Games". - Floydian τ ¢ 03:53, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support since we posted the Commonwealth Games under ongoing last July.
    T|C 04:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Posting one item (in my view, wrongly) doesn't itself mean that this item should be posted. We consider each item on its own merits. 331dot (talk) 08:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't even understand this nomination. The games haven't even started yet, so why not nominate the opening cermony? Abductive (reasoning) 10:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose I can hardly believe that the 2015 Tour de France was easily dismissed for Ongoing, which is a global event (in terms of competitors) on the highest level of sports, but this regional circus is supposed to be posted? Really people, this is exactly what I meant when I urged for more consistency when it comes to sporting events in Ongoing!! Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • That doesn't make any sense. The Games are a multi-sport event, which means it is even more a variety of ongoing events, while the Tour is one event split into severeal stages. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:01, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's what I'm getting at. The Games cover a variety of sports. The Tour is merely a single sport consisting of a three-week long race. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:09, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • And if you check any major news site, you'll see that no-one gives a damn about the Pan-American Games, but everyone is reporting about the Tour. And I might remind you that this section is called In the news. For what it's worth, I am against posting any of them to Ongoing, I simply supported the Tour because the Women's World Cup was posted. But since then, a majority of people here have spoken against posting sport events to Ongoing (see the general discussion on it on the talk page), so I say: Let's be stringent and post nothing. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(Actually, any major news site, like the BBC, are reporting on The Ashes and Wimbledon. The Tour is mentioned in passing on a sidebar. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Still more than I found about the Games, on Guardian.co.uk for example... Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:20, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Pan-Am games may not be such a big deal as they once were. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:24, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But the Pan Am Games haven't even started. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:26, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I originally posted this for July 10, which is the day of the opening. The intent was to get consensus in advance. The parent article (2015 Pan American Games) is very well updated and cited, so I imagine whomever is taking care of that article will also be updating the chronology. More eyes is always better. - Floydian τ ¢ 19:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still not seeing any prose updates. Oppose unless we can show that an article is being suitable updated. SpencerT♦C 14:42, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: We didn't post Asian Games or any of those regional games, so why should this be posted? I don't think these Games will get any major coverage outside its region. 61.3.104.2 (talk) 11:19, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 7

July 7, 2015 (2015-07-07) (Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • Timeline of Boko Haram insurgency
    • A bomb attack has killed at least 25 people and wounded 32 others in northern Nigeria's Zaria. (BBC)
  • Saudi Arabian–led intervention in Yemen
  • Somali Civil War (2009–present)
  • War in Afghanistan (2001–2021)
    • A NATO convoy is hit by a suicide car bomb in Kabul. Three or four civilians are injured; no fatalities have been reported. (NBC News)
Business and economy
  • Greek debt crisis timeline
    • referendum as Greek banks are near to running out of cash. For the last week Greek banks allowed to withdraw only 60 euros a day. (Reuters)
    • The Government of Greece does not present any new proposals and Greek banks are unlikely to reopen this week. (AP)
    • The European Union gives Greece a deadline of Thursday to develop new proposals for discussion at an emergency summit on Sunday. (BBC)
Disasters and accidents
  • 2015 Moncks Corner mid-air collision
    • A United States Air Force
      F-16 collides with a privately-owned Cessna to the north of Charleston, South Carolina. The pilot of the jet ejects safely, but the Cessna breaks up mid-air, killing the two unidentified occupants. (CNN)
Law and crime

July 6

July 6, 2015 (2015-07-06) (Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Politics and elections
  • Greek bailout referendum, 2015
    • Greek Minister of Finance despite the success of the "no" vote which supported his views. (AFR)
    • Greek people in the call. Many western officials express concerns that, like Egypt, Greece may increase its ties to Russia at the expense of the west. Greece is a member of the NATO military alliance. (Yahoo)
Sports

[Posted] RD: Jerry Weintraub

Article: Jerry Weintraub (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times BBC News People AP Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Major Hollywood producer whose films and TV shows have won awards. Kudzu1 (talk) 01:00, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

I did not see any reference to his winning three Emmys. It's not in the article. Do you have a source for that? If it's true I might reconsider my oppose !vote. The other stuff is pretty
run of the mill. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:48, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
I too would reconsider if the three Emmys was in the article with sources; right now he just seems notable for being associated with notable things(for the most part). 331dot (talk) 18:50, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I added some new cites to the lead noting the Emmys, although all three were already noted in the article with sources, so the new cites could be removed. --Light show (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK I see the source of the confusion. You said above that he won three Emmys when in fact the Emmys were won by programs or persons in programs that he was associated with. There is a very big difference. I stand by my oppose !vote. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you want to see some top producers, look at the work of people like
    Hal Wallis. It might be a sad commentary, but nowadays Adam Sandler's producing credits rival those of Weintraub's. μηδείς (talk) 19:20, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Strong Support I have to say Wow! at the incredible update work, more than doubling the size of the article. Notability is good enough, but this is a great article to feature given the quality of the update. I did add one CN tag about his early managing years, I assume that can be cleared up. I'll also mention that we used, at least, to consider being in two field (music agent, movie producer) another plus for posting. Maybe users 331dot, Masem and Kudzu1 would like to take a look at the article improvement. μηδείς (talk) 01:33, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Light show: As Medeis said, excellent work on the update. The page looks great and should absolutely be featured. -Kudzu1 (talk) 02:53, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. --Light show (talk) 03:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed]2015 anti-china protest in Turkey

run of the mill and non-notable protest. There is zero chance of this being posted on ITN. It does not meet the guidelines. If you disagree take it to the talk page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:18, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

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Article: 
traveling to Turkey. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters

Credits:
  • Nominated by [[User:198.16.164.205|198.16.164.205]] ([[User talk:198.16.164.205|talk]] · [{{fullurl:User talk:198.16.164.205|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BXinjiang_conflict%232015_anti-China_protests_in_Turkey%5D%5D&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Xinjiang_conflict%232015_anti-China_protests_in_Turkey&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])

Article updated
 198.16.164.205 (talk) 23:08, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Withdrawn] Ongoing: 2015 Tour de France

WITHDRAWN:

--George Ho (talk) 23:56, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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Article: 2015 Tour de France (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: If blurb won't be posted, perhaps the event should be listed as "ongoing", like the 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup. It's getting a lot of updates, and it brings happy and joy to relieve tensions of the Greek debt crisis. George Ho (talk) 20:45, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The winner of the Tour will certainly be posted but as an ongoing, the event is far too niche in terms of viewership and interest to merit an ITN ongoing. The scale of the Tour is much smaller than Olympics or FIFA World Cup, too. --MASEM (t) 20:50, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because unlike the World Cup(which I don't think should have been posted to Ongoing either) the Tour is one continuous event involving the same competitors; the Cup has different teams playing different matches. Ongoing is not for sports events in progress. 331dot (talk) 20:57, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The general rule of thumb here is that we only post the result of ITN worthy sporting events. In the same vein we don't post the various games of the World Series. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:06, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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July 5

July 5, 2015 (2015-07-05) (Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Arts and culture
Disasters and accidents
Politics and elections
Science and technology
Sports

[Closed] Grateful Dead perform final show

No consensus to post. 331dot (talk) 06:42, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Grateful Dead (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Grateful Dead perform their last public concert, ending a 50-year musical career. (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone The New York Times
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Legendary American rock band. Huge part of pop culture, counterculture, and music history. Kudzu1 (talk) 22:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I like the Grateful Dead, but for all intents and purposes, their final show was 20 years ago. If they had been playing continuously for 50 years, I'd support. But not this. Neat story, and something I look forward to watching, but not ITN material. --Bongwarrior (talk) 22:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Definitely an iconic group, but we don't usually post this sort of story. It's significance outside of a subsect of the entertainment world is fairly limited. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:40, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Final show until the next time they decide to do a show. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We generally don't do retirements, and this is much more like the end of a traveling paraphernalia fair and tribute band than the breakup of The Beatles. μηδείς (talk) 00:47, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I've lost count of how many bands and artists have come back after "final" tours or albums. Adpete (talk) 01:34, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose feels like a DYK at best. If there's a recording that goes on archive.org then it could be a hook for DYK (50 years of public domain recordings) but this is not for ITN.
    talk) 01:50, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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[Closed] Hacking Team is hacked

happy to see this nomination, but snow close is obvious, as "irony" is (unfortunately) not an ITN criterion. μηδείς (talk) 23:35, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
Hacking Team, a company that provides spyware and malware to government agencies, is itself hacked. (Post)
News source(s): ZDNet

Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: More than 400GB of the company's data is now available for download, but Hacking Team has warned against doing that as the files contain virusses. Count Iblis (talk) 15:29, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Amusing, but not ITN worthy. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:32, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Seems to have limited coverage outside the niche news website given as a source. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose would make a DYK. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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@Count Iblis: An interesting story here is that every copy of Adobe Flash in existence had a vulnerability that HT knew about, which was revealed (with complete instructions for use) in the hacked data. They just offered a patch yesterday -- do you have it yet? Wnt (talk) 21:28, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Withdrawn] RD: Burt Shavitz

WITHDRAWN:

--George Ho (talk) 08:14, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Article: Burt Shavitz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WRAL NY Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: This man founded Burt's Bees, a bee honey (oops) personal care products company. George Ho (talk) 04:52, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
That was before the RD-era (or RD-implement). His death was posted as a blurb before "Recent deaths" ticker. George Ho (talk) 06:09, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The product appears to be primarily or exclusively available only in the US. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:43, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've certainly seen it lying around in my British bathroom '''tAD''' (talk) 16:02, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom. Subject appears to have been a successful businessman. Beyond which I am not seeing much that sets him apart. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:49, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. He clearly merits an article, but merely being successful does not meet the
    RD criteria. 331dot (talk) 15:01, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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[Posted] 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup

Articles: 
the final. (Post)
News source(s): BBC

Credits:

Both articles updated
One or both nominated events are listed on
Fuebaey (talk) 23:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

It's not true that "no one outside the US knows or cares about this", and even if it was, single-country objections are not valid as stated under "Please do not" above. I'm not sure how the linked-to discussion demonstrates that there would have been no stand alone blurb had Japan won, which I don't think is true either. 331dot (talk) 01:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think the anon was being facetious. --Bongwarrior (talk) 01:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but not a good thing to do with text communication. 331dot (talk) 01:50, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Article updated, WP:ITNR item. -LtNOWIS (talk) 01:35, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The article looks like it's in good shape - it would be news regardless of which country won the finals. Challenger l (talk) 01:43, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marking ready: Let's get this up while it's timely. -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support USA! USA! USA! – Muboshgu (talk) 02:11, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Challenger —Ruby 2010/2013 02:15, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Do we vote on all of the men's competitions too (NHL, Prem League), like when they're on the front page within minutes after the game ends? This is ridiculous. JanderVK (talk) 07:12, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@JanderVK: Yes, as TRM states- and if it is posted "within minutes" of the game ending it is because it got updated "within minutes" of the game ending, which did not happen here. If you would like to see something like this posted quickly, please work to adequately update it quickly. 331dot (talk) 10:20, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's the top level of women's soccer, and is listed on ITNR. It is also included partially as a matter of fairness with the men's tournament. If you feel it should not be included, please propose its removal. 331dot (talk) 10:17, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
On the evening news tonight, they reported that the TV ratings for the women's soccer final were higher than for any of the games in the recent NBA finals. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:30, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: Would the Men's World Cup have had to share their moment ITN with some regional tournament? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.24.20 (talk) 03:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ouch! On reflection, I think the answer to your question is probably not. But FTR I don't think the other match should have been posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:41, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Lol:
Nergaal (talk) 05:51, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
We don't ever really need two "In This Specific Sport..." headlines at once. The US Triple Crown and the Epsom Derby were hugely disparate, but I don't think anyone was damaged by the combined blurb. μηδείς (talk) 20:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it would be absurd for us to feature to consecutive headings commencing "In association football, X wins the Y, defeating Z in the final". Combined blurb is fine. And if the World Cup coincided with another huge tournament result (which it never does) then we would have to consider it similarly. Nergaal's link makes a good point, more than one sports article made our top 25, including a little-known female British tennis player. Who knew (other than us Brits)? Sometimes, just sometimes, we need to stop the snooty
dickhead attitude that some people here adopt and realise that our readers like reading about popular things. Without our readers, we're nothing. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

[Closed] Greek referendum result

We've got the debt crisis at Ongoing now, this result appears to have made little difference, and there's no clear consensus to post this individual item of the overall "crisis". Of course, if there's a tangible link between this result and some kind of "Grexit", we can go over it one more time, but right now, nothing doing. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:27, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
IMF. (Post
)
Credits:

Article needs updating
  • To be updated when the result has been tallied (~2pm Eastern Time today) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.181.22 (talk) 23:40, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Complete result expected by 18:00 GMT (9pm local Greek time). Martinevans123 (talk) 17:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It's been huge news for weeks (even here on the other side of the world), and it could have far-reaching impact. Adpete (talk) 01:10, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Big international news, obviously. Target article has a neutrality tag at present, though the Talk page reveals the issue may be resolved. Jusdafax 01:22, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd support this, but for the orange tag. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:06, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Two Concerns First, the article has long detailed paragraphs with numerous claims, almost all cited to just one source. Second, isn't this symbolic, since Greece has already defaulted, and the referendum is not in any way binding on the Eurozone? If the actual first default ever of a first-world country wasn't posted, I am not sure what significance posting the results of the referendum gets us beyond the ongoing story we already have in place. Either an end to the crisis, when it comes, or the "Grexit" when it comes will be news. Interim manoeuvering can simply remain covered by the sticky. μηδείς (talk) 02:10, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support conditional on article improvement for reasons too obvious to bear repeating. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I share Medeis' concerns, and would also point out that if the referendum retains the status quo, isn't it really just much ado about nothing? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd go so far as to support posting it as "too close to call" and then updating it when known. I think the result of the vote itself is noteworthy, regardless of which way it goes. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:01, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • But my earlier comment about the orange tag... it's still there and needs to be dealt with. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Also a no-vote would be much more newsworthy than a yes vote, and exit polls strongly suggests the No-campaign has won. So, this is already big news, it's likely to cause turmoil on the financial markets in about 7 hours when the markets in Asia open. While Greece has formally defaulted to the IMF, that's not a big deal, because you then get a few weeks more to pay back. The IMF is used to dealing with problem countries, they have enough reserves to deal with problems, their intervention is aimed at containing problems. But other defaults may have a snowball effect. I'm sure that the Norwegians won't be happy about this. Count Iblis (talk) 17:51, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obvious support following article improvement, given that the no campaign seems to have won. This shouldn't even need debating. The people who think this isn't newsworthy should maybe read a newspaper once in a while. Fgf10 (talk) 18:33, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What's a "newspaper" – ?? Sca (talk) 21:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC) [reply]
You know, what you get to wrap your doner and chips. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 5 July 2015 (UTC) [reply]
Make mine currywurst & frites. Sca (talk) 21:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC) [reply]
  • Support If this is not news, then I don't know what is. Zwerg Nase (talk) 19:39, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is news, but Wikipedia is not a newspaper. --bender235 (talk) 13:49, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support conditional on the article being free of maintenance tags and updated adequately. As Zwerg notes, this has been all over European news for four or five days. It's certainly ITN-worthy, we just need a quality article to back it up. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, especially as the result is now clearly "No". Black Kite (talk) 20:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Of course it's news, big news. However, like several colleagues heard from above, I can't support a blurb linking to that avalanche of an article – even as pared to a 'mere' 15,000 words. (A good target total would be 2,500 to 3,000 words, IMOEO.) Nor am I qualified to fix it. Alack and alas. Sca (talk) 20:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is another incident in the
    Greek debt crisis which we already have as an ongoing entry. Whatever the result, this is going to go on through more stages and the point of having the ongoing entry is to avoid covering it blow-by-blow. Andrew D. (talk) 21:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Ongoing doesn't prohibit significant, highly noteworthy developments from being elevated to a blurb should they arise. It could be temporarily removed from Ongoing and restored once the blurb falls off(or is removed). 331dot (talk) 01:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've taken the liberty of amending the blurb to add the European Commission to the institutions that proposed the bailout. This reflects the referendum question. Anyway, support. Neljack (talk) 21:43, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, - for obvious reasons. International attention.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, millions of people voted, this really should qualify under the spirit of ITN/R. Abductive (reasoning) 02:34, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marking ready: Article could be better, but it's adequate, and this is definitely ITN-worthy. I support promptly posting. -Kudzu1 (talk) 02:52, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Utter Bollocks Kudzul has simply removed the tags and marked it ready. There are still 16 citation needed tags, not to mention all the other defects. In the meantime it stays on Ongoing, so can we please have this panic to post put to rest until the necessary improvements are made? μηδείς (talk) 05:18, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I removed one tag that no longer applied, thank you. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:57, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Highly-publicised non-event. Greeks said "no" to an expired bailout proposal, it doesn't change a thing. --bender235 (talk) 06:55, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's not what the politicians say, and isn't that what matters? Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:07, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Politicians in all parts of Europe (apart from Greece) confirm just what I said. The Greek referendum does not change anything. The only real "news" will come in a couple of days, when Greece has to introduce a parallel currency. --bender235 (talk) 13:48, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I tagged the article with "refimprove". The inline tags are too small to see. George Ho (talk) 08:32, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Comment – This target article is much better than the previous one, and it's an OK length – 3,000 words. Sca (talk) 13:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's the answer! Much better indeed. Suggest we make that the target article and post. Jusdafax 15:02, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ready – It is the target article. Marked as ready. Sca (talk) 18:05, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Not ready, it has a massive orange maintenance tag at the top. Feel free to work on that. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I ask the tagger and others to discuss the tag on the article talk page. Jusdafax 19:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea. In the meantime, it's not ready. Please let us know when it's up to scratch. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I specifically invite you to share your specific concerns about the article, aside from the fact that it has been tagged. Jusdafax 19:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I read that, thanks for the clarification. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:53, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Jusdafax, there are people there edit warring from what appears to be a POV standpoint and who are removing tags without justification. The best alternative would probably be to remove entire sections which already have sub-articles to get rid of the problematic editorializing and unsupported text, and to remove various unattributed claims. But the problem is not with our efforts here, it's with disruptive editors there hell-bent on making their points. In the meantime the entire matter is still under ongoing, and posting the already well-known results is not a critical matter. μηδείς (talk) 20:48, 6 July 2015 (UTC
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[Closed] Tour de France

Consensus appears to be to wait until the race's conclusion. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2015 Tour de France (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Tour de France begins. (Post)
News source(s): BBC NBC
Credits:

Article updated
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[Posted] 2015 Copa América Final

Proposed image
Article: 
the final
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Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 120.62.18.219 (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

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Will you change your vote, The Rambling Man? George Ho (talk) 07:30, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about making 2015 Copa América the main (bolded) article instead? It's sufficiently expanded. HaEr48 (talk) 11:46, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - final now suitably updated '''tAD''' (talk) 14:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Since it's updated now, and a listed recurring event, and arguably already decided to be posted on conclusion when discussed at the beginning of the event, here Cato censor (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as per above. Even though this nomination clearly does not seem to come from a neutral POV... Zwerg Nase (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, I think the third blurb is the most neutral, wikipedia-like Cato censor (talk) 20:11, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support
    Nergaal (talk) 20:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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  • Support - updated.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. SpencerT♦C 11:06, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why were the two blurbs merged? If anything, Copa America is more watched worldwide so it should be listed before the women's WC.
    Nergaal (talk) 14:41, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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    • This was done by User:Smurrayinchester. I presume the ordering is due to the different dates of the respective items. SpencerT♦C 17:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • All I did was delete the asterisk between the two, so yes, date is the key point here, although I think a world tournament has precedence over a continental tournament even if men's football is bigger than women's football. I merged them because having two parallel blurbs starting "In association football..." is intolerably ghastly. Smurrayinchester 20:48, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You must be from the US if you can thing women's football is on equal terms to men's.
Nergaal (talk) 05:34, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Well, for one thing, the women's game certainly seems on a par with the men's in terms of violence. And by the way, the women's final outdrew the Copa final by about 8,000. What's up with that? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:51, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Both matches sold out, but Canada has larger stadia than Chile. ReadingOldBoy (talk) 08:29, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Their largest soccer stadium holds less than 50,000? How come? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And for what it's worth, the supposed "last concerts" by the Grateful Dead (already rejected for ITN) each drew over 70,000. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you actually want to make comparisons check the broadcast numbers. The 1994 WC had the highest attendance ever even though the sport itself is far away from being the most popular in US.
Nergaal (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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It is hard to believe that the opinions of such poorly informed individuals matters equally. Sigh,
Nergaal (talk) 05:53, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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From the list, it's clear the public is well-informed on the latest Terminator movie. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:21, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And is clear that there is more interest in Copa America than in the women's WC.
Nergaal (talk) 18:11, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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5th vs. 9th and 21st. Meanwhile, all three soccer articles are considered to be of more interest than ISIS, but not as interesting as various blockbuster movies. It's possible there were more hits on the Copa just because people were wondering what it is. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:36, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well there's not consensus on the merge. Please don't rule by fiat.120.62.25.133 (talk) 14:24, 7 July 2015 (UTC) — 120.62.25.133 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

[Closed] Tupou VI now crowned King

Closing as no consensus to post. This is the second nomination for the coronation with the same result. It's time to move on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 
King of Tonga within three years of his reign. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ King Tupou VI (pictured) is given a formal coronation within three years of his reign.
News source(s): BBC

Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Now is the time to nominate the official coronation of this man. George Ho (talk) 05:17, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb. George Ho (talk) 05:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Coverage seems limited; has been King for three years already. 331dot (talk) 08:47, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (pending article update) - a coronation is a major event in any country, it's certainly a big event in Tonga (one person here says "Once in a lifetime")[21], and it's not often Tonga is on ITN. The fact that it's 3 years from his ascension is not really relevant. I'm guessing that, for the US president, both the election result and inauguration are in ITN. The article does need updating though. Adpete (talk) 09:20, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The inauguration of the US President isn't usually posted; an exception being Obama's first one due to its historic nature. Generally inaugurations/coronations are not posted, because they usually occur much closer to the choosing of the successor(and barring some unfortunate event are a certainty to occur) and/or receive much less coverage. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing we'll post every inauguration of a *new* US president, and Obama 2009 is the only time that has happened since ITN existed. As for gaps between ascension and coronation, it's not unheard of, it was 16 months' gap for Queen Elizabeth II. This is a major cultural event in a small country, exactly the sort of thing ITN should be covering because we try to have a global focus. Adpete (talk) 10:16, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't support posting the inauguration of a "new" President, as their election would have been posted per ITNR a few months prior.(Here the difference is a few years.) Obama's first was an exception as the first black president- I don't think subsequent black presidents would merit posting necessarily. If Hillary Clinton is elected hers would be posted as the first woman. We will have a lot of double postings if we consistently post both elections/successions and inaugurations/coronations of all countries, at least without weighing news coverage(which, in this case, seems limited.) 331dot (talk) 01:32, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per my comments when this was first suggested a week ago. Smurrayinchester 10:26, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Boyd K. Packer

Article: Boyd K. Packer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP The Salt Lake Tribune
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (a top Mormon religious leader, basically) since 1994. Article seems to be in good shape. Kudzu1 (talk) 02:52, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

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  • Support If I understand the Mormon hierarchy correctly he was the #2 man in the church and heir presumptive to the top job. That qualifies for RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:19, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on importance. Article seems mostly fair-minded and establishes his significance as a major figure in the LDS church. I tagged a sentence in the article as wanting clarification: the article says that he died "a martyr" of old age, and I'm not sure how that works. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 04:06, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - A mere name mentioning is fine. I've never seen one of influential figures like this man. And the quality is nice. --George Ho (talk) 04:36, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Yes, a long-serving member of the old guard, (From the article: Packer advocated that LDS historians should refrain from discussing history that does not promote faith. In a 1981 speech to educators in the LDS Church Educational System, he cautioned, "There is a temptation for the writer or teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not. Some things that are true are not very useful.") but no recognition outside the church beyond being interviewed for a PBS documentary. If there's more that justifies his recognition as an influential figure it should be in the article. μηδείς (talk) 17:53, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    This doesn't seem like a meaningful oppose. Putting the guy on RD isn't an endorsement of who he was or what he said, simply an acknowledgement that a notable person (who was clearly significant enough to merit coverage in a wide range of reliable sources, not just Mormon or Utah outlets) has died and we happen to have a biographical article for him that is in decent enough shape to post. I think those qualifications are met. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:53, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's a straw man. Point to where he was influential or recognized outside the church. He has one building in Utah named for him. The most notable thing about him seems to be that quote, which I did not add to the article or go looking for. If he's somehow important outside the LDS higher bureaucracy, let's hear it. μηδείς (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Setting aside the notion that him being a longtime leading figure in one of the largest and fastest-growing churches in North America doesn't qualify him as notable -- his comments on homosexuality and feminism certainly got some play in the media: [22] [23] -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:20, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support despite my personal disgust for this individual, whose beliefs appeared to be somewhat aligned with Nazism, there's no doubting his death is in the news, and no doubting his article is adequate. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am not grasping this person's notability or influence outside of being a senior bureaucrat in the LDS. The misunderstanding my simply be my own. Challenger l (talk) 20:40, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • He's a Mormon apostle. At least for Mormons, that's a bit bigger deal than a senior bureaucrat. He was a prophet, seer, and revelator; he had the authority to proclaim new divine revelations and get them written into LDS doctrine. Even more powerful than the Pope, in other words, but they're a committee of twelve guys and he sat in the first chair. That's a big enough deal for RD, IMO. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 03:56, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are over a billion Catholics in the world, while the number of Mormons is about 1 percent of that. Maybe a bigger fish, but in a much smaller sea. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:12, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Questionable - Not the actual leader of the LDS, but of an organization within the LDS. I'd like to see some evidence that he was widely known outside the LDS. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:54, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – For what it's worth, I've never heard of Mr. (Dr.?) Packer – although the eastern corner of my state is adjacent to Utah and heavily LDS. (Presumably if I were LDS I would have heard of him.) Sca (talk) 21:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted The Rambling Man (talk) 07:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • How does this discussion qualify as "consensus"? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:15, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would say that based on the discussion it's a borderline post/not post based on notability (could go either way) that was pushed into the "post" side due to the quality of the article--I would judge this as consensus to post with that rationale. I'm not venturing to speak on TRM's behalf, but that's just my opinion. Best, SpencerT♦C 07:04, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Jacobo Zabludovsky

No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 16:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jacobo Zabludovsky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Wall Street Journal, Haaretz, Latin Times, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The leading TV news anchor in Mexico for almost three decades, viewed as a staunch supporter of the former long-running PRI government. --Tocino
, 09:45 July 2015 (UTC)
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[Closed] Phil Walsh killed

Although there was some support, this isn't going to end up being posted (RD or blurb). No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 11:13, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Phil Walsh (Australian footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Adelaide Crows coach Phil Walsh is killed in a domestic incident involving his son. (Post)
News source(s): (ABC News Australia), every other Australian news source
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: I am unsure about bringing this here, but I think it is worth discussion. I think it is safe to say that Australian Rules football is the biggest sport in Australia. To have the head coach of one of the elite professional teams allegedly murdered is certainly a newsworthy event within Australia, but its impact probably does not extend far outside of the country. Then again, many items that appear in ITN are domestic events. Based on his career as a player and coach, he would not qualify under the recent deaths criteria. So my feeling is that it has to be either a blurb or nothing. The article's references are not up to scratch at the moment but can be easily fixed. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:16, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, weak oppose RD: I definitely don't see how this event, no matter how tragic, meets notability criteria for ITN. And Walsh could qualify for RD as a coach of a well-known pro sports team, but I don't think he meets muster in terms of accomplishments. -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:23, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Walsh was the current coach of the 7th-ranked team in the most popular football code in Australia. If the 7th-ranked coach in the NFL was murdered, it would be an automatic inclusion in ITN. WWGB (talk) 04:32, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Says who? Don't make strawman argument. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:51, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, that's entirely true, it would be on here in hours. However, that doesn't make it right, and I don't see how hits belongs on ITN. Fgf10 (talk) 07:05, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree; I would not support such a hypothetical situation. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nor would I, which is why we should debate this case on its merits and not set up strawmen. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:09, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If you take away the unusual means of death, he likely would not qualify for an RD, so I can't see how what may be killed in domestic dispute would merit a blurb. --MASEM (t) 06:00, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose breaking news in Australia, but no long term or international notability for ITN. --ELEKHHT 06:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD - He would have been a wonderful coach if not for his death. Sure, his career didn't attract international attention or wasn't long-term. However, I learned that being notable in mainly Australia shouldn't prevent him from being mentioned in RD. As for the blurb, let some sleazy journalist sensationalise the murder case, especially in Wikinews (no offense). Not in Wikipedia's ITN though. A mere mention of his name is enough, so let's not make his obituary a spectacular one. George Ho (talk) 06:44, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, oppose. Maybe he should have gained more attention while he was alive. George Ho (talk) 06:46, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. As said already, he likely wouldn't qualify for RD based on his career. 331dot (talk) 09:25, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb/weak oppose RD Definitely does not rise to ITN blurb level. There is an argument that he might meet RD standards under criteria #2 but I think it's a stretch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:18, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. I can't claim enough familiarity with the subject to judge how it fits the RD criteria but I suspect it is a bit of a stretch. No such problem with the wider assessment criteria for a blurb which allows us to consider the circumstances of the death too. As such I support this because I believe there will be a significant level of interest in the story - it may be subject to a heavy regional bias but the anticipated interest justifies posting. 3142 (talk) 15:29, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Minor additional - I this does go up (which I admit looks unlikely) I would modify the blurb to avoid implicating the son. Sure, the news media is doing so but I don't think a necessarily brief blurb can address that in the appropriate context. 3142 (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not due to the item being local to Australia (the same people who complain above the American items are always posted routinely oppose items simply because they are American) but on the Pistorious precedent. If we didn't post his much higher profile arrest on murder charges, I can't see how this warrants greater coverage. μηδείς (talk) 15:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose He played for a few years, coached for one, with what appears to be an unimpressive career, so he doesn't meet RD criteria. I see a few news sources on the killing, but I don't see how this meets our criteria. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:11, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD per Medeis' bad faith oppose. Also, because of his apples and oranges comparison, given someone being arrested is not the same as someone being murdered. Even then Trial of Oscar Pistorius was posted at verdict. Resolute 17:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So, if you weren't sniffing my butt, resolute, you wouldn't have bothered to wipe your own? There's nothing bad faith about my oppose, although your vote reeks of it. We'd never have posted this as RD, we don't post crimes before trials, we didn't post Pistorius when the murder was in the news. The judgment here is very easy if put in perspective. μηδείς (talk) 19:51, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral not a significant person in the history of the game, death is shocking, sure, but really not blurb or even RD par. Mind you, we did post a college-level basketball coach who didn't die in such circumstances and who had won very little, so perhaps this aligns with that level of notability?The Rambling Man (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose (and I'm from that city). I'm sure mid-level professional sportpeople die from time to time and I've never seen it in ITN, unless they die playing the sport (like Phillip Hughes) or are so famous that their death would be ITN anyway. For instance, wasn't there a gun death of an active NFL player comparatively recently? I might be thinking of Jovan Belcher, who died during the 2012-2013 NFL season, and there's nothing on his Talk page about being on ITN. Adpete (talk) 03:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - i am not familiar with the sport but the sportsman seems notable enough for inclusion.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Charlie Sanders

No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 06:58, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Charlie Sanders (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press, ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Pro Football Hall of Famer, member of the 1970s All-Decades Team. Article needs work – Muboshgu (talk) 01:35, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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  • Oppose Very small article, third-round draft pic, good to middling career but nowhere near the top. μηδείς (talk) 02:17, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Tom Brady was a sixth round pick, he'd tell you that didn't get in the way of his career. Also, HOF = "good to middling"? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:31, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • First pick or round would count for him. Third does not, nor does being one among 287 in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. μηδείς (talk) 19:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • I still don't see how his draft slot from 1968 is relevant. Nor the number of players in the hall. His being in the hall marks him as "very important" in his field. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • There are various trophies and records he might hold but doesn't. Again, I think he had an above-average career. But 4 TD's a year on average doesn't bring one to the same level as Tom Brady, even if the latter had shrunken balls. Muboshgu has done a good job of doubling the size of the article, and should be commended. I still can't support this at all, but I am not in the position of attacking it either. μηδείς (talk) 21:50, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD conditional on article improvement. Sourcing is a little weak. That said a Hall of Fame football player satisfies the guidelines in ITND. On a side note there seems to be a misconception among some editors that one must be at the pinnacle of a given field to qualify for RD. That is not true. The guidelines reads... "2. The deceased was widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field." A Hall of Fame athlete certainly meets that criteria. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:41, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Along the lines of Medeis. If this was an important player, our article does not reflect that beyond calling out the Hall of Fame. --MASEM (t) 02:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support on the merits but oppose on quality. The honors in his sidebar would seem to suggest he his important to football, if not the most important, but the article is not in shape for posting. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • @331dot:, what do you think of the quality now? I've done some work. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • It seems much improved. Thanks for your efforts. :) 331dot (talk) 20:16, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I'm shocked that one of the top 250 American football players of all time has such a woefully brief article. But it meets the minimum required for RD. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Thirty-seven touchdowns in nine years... That's a decent amount, even if not a lot, id est four touchdowns per average year. The sport is not internationally well-known, but his record was good, making his name worth mentioning. Also, he became a sports commentator and was given a Hall of Fame. --George Ho (talk) 21:07, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Super Bowl is the second most watched annual sporting event worldwide- hardly "not well known". 331dot (talk) 09:08, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, change to oppose. He could have done more to be mentioned in the front page. George Ho (talk) 19:27, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support: NFL Hall of Famer, probably meets notability criteria. Article is acceptable. -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:53, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This seems ready with a rough consensus in favor of posting, so I'm marking it as such. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:54, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tied for 217th Sanders is tied for 217th in career touchdown receptions. (A glance at the top twenty receivers shows somewhere between 8 and almost 20 a year; 4&1/9ths TD receptions per season is nowhere near notable.) I have no idea what 331dot's mention of the Super Bowl is for, since he never played in one. We need more of a consensus and one based on facts to post this. μηδείς (talk) 02:25, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I mentioned the Super Bowl to show George Ho that football is indeed known internationally to counter his claim that it isn't. 331dot (talk) 02:33, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • He's also one of only eight tight ends in the Hall of Fame (Sanders, Dave Casper, Mike Ditka, John Mackey, Ozzie Newsome, Kellen Winslow, Jackie Smith, and Shannon Sharpe. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Every single one of whom had more career touchdowns. In fact, if our article info box is correct, Sanders had 31, not 37 career touchdowns. This is beating a dead horse with a fake whip. I am removing the ready given the lack of basis for the claims. If an admin wants to post this on the quality of the update that's one thing, but the stats simply aren't there. μηδείς (talk) 03:42, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, I'm tagging this for an admin to decide on. As far as I can see, you're the only serious opposition to this, and you're citing touchdown stats that aren't relevant. He's in the HOF, very important to the community in Detroit, no reason I see not to post this.[24] – Muboshgu (talk) 17:51, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well that's just it, important to Detroit? This is English language Wikipedia. Is he important to those English-speaking people who frequent this website? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:29, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
            • He is as a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, yes. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. He had an above-average career, played in the Pro Bowl for 7 of the 10 seasons he was a player, and made it into the Hall of Fame. He retired with (according to the HOF's website) numbers that put him at or near the top of the game back in 1977. He worked with the Detroit Lions off and on after that, sometimes as a commentator, sometimes in the office. My issues with the article are the length of it - it's a short, stubby article, and the fact that it completely summarizes his career and life - instead of actually giving details, the way (IMO) an article here really should. I am also very ambivalent about his notability, since he did retire nearly 40 years ago, but hasn't had the influence and notability of say, Dick Butkus or John Madden. Challenger l (talk) 14:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose I'm fairly sure we wouldn't post the cricketer with the 217th highest number of runs in Test cricket, or the footballer with the 217th most career goals. This doesn't exactly scream "widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field." Black Kite (talk) 19:17, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the arguments in favour are weak, the article is weak, the individual is parochially significant but nothing more. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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July 2015 Sinai clashes

Article: 
Sinai peninsula. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters Ahram

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Nominator's comments: This is more militarily tragic, which not yet involves civilians. George Ho (talk) 21:10, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • support - significant number of deaths. notable.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:49, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major events in that part of the world with lots of geo-politcal implications. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Care to elaborate some of those "geo-political implications"? HaEr48 (talk) 17:29, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Islamists attempting to destabilize the military/secularist government of the most powerful country in the Arab world. If they succeed it could undermine the governments of many of the other moderate Arab states in the region and threaten the oldest peace treaty between an Arab state and Israel. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:56, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If they managed to topple Egypt's rulers, sure. But it seems to me the clashes are local and have very slim chance to destabilize Egypt nationally. If, say, the opposition staged a huge protest or civil disobedience like 2011, that would have the destabilizing effect you mention. But this is entirely different and more isolated. HaEr48 (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Ad Orientem's rationale. --GGT (talk) 08:57, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not convinced of the significance, see my response to Ad Orientem above. HaEr48 (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose isolated incident, not significant in the big scheme of things, weak article. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Howard Stern to leave America's Got Talent

Snow close. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Howard Stern (talk · history · tag) and America's Got Talent (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following the tenth season, Howard Stern (pictured) plans to resign as judge from America's Got Talent. (Post)
News source(s): Daily News
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Nominator's comments: Large coverage. Gary noine (talk) 19:11, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Does he have performing dogs? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:28, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Deepwater Horizon oil spill settlement

Article: 
United States Justice Department and several U.S. states regarding the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian Reuters, Deutsche Welle, New York Times

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Nominator's comments: The Guardian describes this as the "largest environmental fine in US history," while Reuters says it is "the largest corporate settlement in U.S. history." Thus this seems significant. However, the update to the article on the spill is minimal (one sentence), and so should be expanded. 

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  • Support Technically should be closure on this matter, and major settlement costs. I'm not sure how much expansion there can be on the settlement unless there are additional terms beyond the funds. --MASEM (t) 17:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and concur with Masem's thoughts. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:00, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose target article has a maintenance tag slap-bang at the top, plus given its girth, I'm finding it difficult to see the update that must have been applied to cover this? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:02, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • The update is presently (when I last looked) one last sentence at the end of the Lawsuit section. It should be reflected in the lede. On that maintenance tag, it is basically asking for a re-writing of the lede to summarize better which is far from a severe problem (compare to the greek debt crisis that had a huge lead section). It can be fixed but its far from sourcing issues. --MASEM (t) 18:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Update inadequate, understood. I would expect to see this story summarised or at least covered in the lead, after all that's where our readers land when they click on the link from the ITN section of the main page, and if it's so significant, it should be therefore be covered in the lead. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:28, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've slightly tweaked the blurb to clarify this isn't a kind of settlement when one pays just to avoid legal prosecution. Brandmeistertalk 19:40, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose BP gave the Obama Administration $20 billion at the time of the spill, for the feds to dispense as they saw fit. This is anticlimactic and getting almost no coverage. μηδείς (talk) 00:18, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • That was them realizing what deep shit they were in so they gave a large amount of the money for the purpose of public relations. The scientists researched the long term effects and the oil lawyers spent 5 years haggling the amount they spilled down to 3.1 million so now they finally figured out the final amount. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:29, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support High international significance and broad global media coverage. --ELEKHHT 07:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - assuming the huge target article is fixable or a postable target is identified. Jusdafax 10:51, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - per jusdafax--BabbaQ (talk) 12:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment as it's been marked for attention, I cast a quick glance, there seems to be two sentences, one in the lead and one buried in the main body, each contradicting one another for the terms of the fine. This simply isn't adequate. Please demonstrate (using diffs where appropriate on an article of such a size) where the appropriate updates have been made before re-marking this for attention. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:20, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Val Doonican

Article: Val Doonican (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Described by the BBC as Ireland's "Bing Crosby". Long career, although article does need a bit of sourcing. Mjroots (talk) 12:13, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply

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It now has 12 different sources and they all seem to be reliable. Only one paragraph remains without any refs. "Big old maintenance tags" would be much more useful if accompanied by a Talk Page summary of where attention was needed? One might even suggest that as a policy, lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:05, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
When I say "big" that's subjective. When I say "old" I really mean old [25] Pedro :  Chat  20:14, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've only been alive two score years plus nought but Doonican was proper household name for most of my life. Like many nominations, this therefore stumbles into "well-known" territory, which is oft cited in many other RDs we see passing through. I guess my score is based on the fact that when I saw it noted on the BBC homepage I was "saddened". The article is reasonable and nobody gets bumped from RD if we post Val, so, like the above, I'm in weak support of this nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:35, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Aww. Tell us another one, Rambler. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:38, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
well ... ---Sluzzelin talk 19:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Listen, the love you get is equal to the love you give. The end is nigh. Simple. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's only me pursuing somethin' I'm not sure of... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2015 (UTC) [reply]

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[Closed] Ace Limited acquiring Chubb

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[Closed] US/Cuban embassies

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  • Wait per nom. Significant, but news will be when embassies do open. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Waiting is not an unreasonable proposition, all things considered. Pandeist (talk) 18:18, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for the opening, which should get decent coverage then(unlike other announcements). 331dot (talk) 22:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • We already got this posted twice if I remember correctly. I think whatever happens there should not be any more than another entry for this saga.
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  • Wait until it happens. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:03, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[Posted & closed] RD: Nicholas Winton

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Are you joking? The man is universally recognized as one of the great humanitarians of the last century. We post blurbs for the death of top notch film stars like Robin Williams but Nicholas Winton doesn't qualify? Remind me again, how many lives did Williams save? -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:49, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Williams influenced a far larger number.
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Template:Ping There is no guideline limiting ITN to heads of state. 331dot (talk) 22:20, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Williams sudden death by suicide (the death was "interesting" per ITN standards) is why he had a blurb, not solely because he was a famous comedian. --23:00, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
There is no requirement to be a head of state for a blurb - the man is an inspiration as a humanitarian, someone who went against the policies of the government of his day.
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Also, the article itself is not very clear about his exact role, what did he do to he help save the 600+ children.
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He used his Jewish contacts in London to secure homes that would be willing to house 669 children, and , to put it bluntly, he bribed officials and fabricated travel documents to get the kids out of Czechoslovakia as quickly as possible - right before the outbreak of war.
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"doing something" - he worked to save the lives of 669 children - not just "something".
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After thinking about it, I have to agree - I hadn't realized it was already posted until most of the way through my own thoughts on it. A tremendous contributor to our world's history, I'd say. Challenger l (talk) 05:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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