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July 31
- Nigerian battles
- The commander of the operation against the alive when captured. (BBC)
- Human Rights Watch calls for a probe into the death. (Al Jazeera)
- The commander of the operation against the
- Spain
- Spain is on red alert as ETA marks its 50th anniversary following the bombing of Burgos and the bombing of Palma Nova. (Deutsche Welle) (RTÉ)
- An airport in Ibiza is evacuated as police search for four male and two female suspects. (The Daily Telegraph)
- Venezuela
- A new media law limiting
- The Inter American Press Association (IAPA) says the bill is "a devastating blow at the remains of democracy" in Venezuela. (El Universal)[permanent dead link]
- U.S. House of Representatives approves an extra $2 billion to the Car Allowance Rebate System. (The Wall Street Journal)
- A Norwegian cargo vessel with a crew of six sinks after a storm in Swedish waters near Strömstad. (CBC) (Reuters) (RTÉ)
- Eight Dutch tourists are killed and 42 people are injured in a bus crash near Barcelona. (Bangkok Post) (RTÉ) (The Times of India)
- Patrizia D'Addario, the escort at the centre of Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's sex scandal, claims he and his party offered her a seat in the European Parliament until his wife complained. (BBC)
- Gazprom launches construction of the Sakhalin–Khabarovsk–Vladivostok gas pipeline. (Reuters) (UPI)
- British Airways loses £148m in the last three months, the company's first loss since privatisation in 1987. (Sky News)
- The verdict in the trial of National League for Democracy General Secretary Aung San Suu Kyi, scheduled for today, is postponed until August 11. (Bangkok Post) (Al Jazeera) (RTÉ) (The Straits Times)
- Twenty-nine people are killed in Iraq after bombs explode at Shiite mosques in Baghdad. (Yahoo News)
- Space Shuttle Endeavour lands at Kennedy Space Centre in Florida, United States, ending a 16-day mission to the International Space Station (ISS). (BBC)
- Aerial photographs reveal the streetplan of the lost Roman city of Altinum, regarded by some scholars as a forerunner of Venice. (BBC) (Der Spiegel) (The Times)
- U.S. military hacking operation, loses his court appeal to have his case heard in Britain, and faces extradition to the United States. (CNN) (RTÉ)
- Filmmaker presented with the International Tomás Gutiérrez Alea Prize by the Cuban government in Havana. (BBC) (The New York Times)
- Research claiming to have created human sperm in a Newcastle laboratory is withdrawn due to evidence of plagiarism. (The Daily Telegraph)
- Three United States tourists are detained by Iranians in Iraq. (BBC)
- The giant Swiss bank UBS and that nation's government have agreed to settle a lawsuit brought against UBS by United States tax authorities, in an agreement that seems likely to result in giving the Internal Revenue Service access to thousands of previously secret U.S. client accounts. (Globe & Mail)
- A church in Copenhagen offers blessings to 18 same-sex couples from around the world who are typically chastised. (The Copenhagen Post)
ITN candidates for July 31
Does anyone think that his case is notable enough? It involves the "biggest military computer hack of all time." But in any case, we should wait until he gets convicted in the U.S. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Wait for any conviction and then determine it by how much coverage it would get (lots I imagine). --•wicke 17:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- Death of Corazon Aquino
- The first female President of the Philippines and Asia Corazon Aquino dies. Cargoking talk 22:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- That was a quick post! Cargoking talk 22:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Another one? --•wicke 22:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Hang on - Can we have some consistency please. Sir Bobby Robson who is more notable IMO has been updated by a line or two and its not on ITN where as Corazon Aquino is with a only a couple of lines of an update. Jason Rees (talk) 23:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
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- I know. Please inform the administrator who posted as they seem to be ignoring this page and I'm doing all the cleaning up after them when I should be archiving July's ITNs... --•wicke 23:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I'm not sure if I should reset the clock as technically this shouldn't even be posted yet. --•wicke 23:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I'm not sure if I should reset the clock as technically this shouldn't even be posted yet. --
- Oppose. I do not deam (deem?) this death of international signifance. Maybe if she was in office at the time of her death then it would be notable, but otherwise, no. Just no. Jolly Ω Janner 23:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. I think Aquino stands out among the ex-heads of state who must die most days of the week. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Another one? --
- OMG this is ridiculous... we just put Aquino in hypothetical situation just last week... did our regulars not notice that? i find this fairly freaky. and btw i opposed all deaths in hypothetical... i must say i change my vote for this. Ashish-g55 04:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oh wow... now I know it's time I went to bed... but what if I wake up and one of the others is dead as well... --•wicke 04:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- For the first time on ITN i actually feel bad about what happened. Can i please request that the hypothetical situations page be deleted. thanks (we did the little survey now there is no need of it either) Ashish-g55 04:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- What are you implying? That our hypothetical death noms somehow magically caused her death? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Nope. im not sayin it had anything do with anything. i just dont like the fact that we discussed the death of a living person that dies the next week. whatever the cause maybe. its just feels wrong now... Ashish-g55 05:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps we might have unknowingly created a wiki-version of Death Note. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- I added this hypothetical situation during the time that there was no turning back on her illness. –Howard the Duck 09:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Were any of the people killed in Death Note famous or notable though... I wonder does it work for the non-deaths and if Dick Cheney is going to be arrested now... --•wicke 17:43, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- The most interesting situation there is Miley Cyrus' death, which is sure to be a huge media event, and it doesn't have support there. –Howard the Duck 01:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oh she's next then... well we'll see what type of event it is I guess... --•wicke 04:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)]
- Oh she's next then... well we'll see what type of event it is I guess... --
- The most interesting situation there is Miley Cyrus' death, which is sure to be a huge media event, and it doesn't have support there. –Howard the Duck 01:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- Were any of the people killed in Death Note famous or notable though... I wonder does it work for the non-deaths and if Dick Cheney is going to be arrested now... --
- I added this hypothetical situation during the time that there was no turning back on her illness. –Howard the Duck 09:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps we might have unknowingly created a wiki-version of Death Note. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Nope. im not sayin it had anything do with anything. i just dont like the fact that we discussed the death of a living person that dies the next week. whatever the cause maybe. its just feels wrong now... Ashish-g55 05:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- What are you implying? That our hypothetical death noms somehow magically caused her death? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- For the first time on ITN i actually feel bad about what happened. Can i please request that the hypothetical situations page be deleted. thanks (we did the little survey now there is no need of it either) Ashish-g55 04:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Altinum
Aerial photographs have revealed the streetplan of a lost Roman city called Altinum, which some scholars regard as a forerunner of Venice. --
- Any comments on this? --•wicke 18:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- Seems to be very interesting, I would to support. talk) 18:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- Death of Sir Bobby Robson
Summed up I think by this US source which features commentary from people who seem to be of differing nationalities plus the President of
- Support - Its a no brainer he was respected worldwide as this video from the 2007 Sports Personality shows. Personally i will be shocked if he isnt offered a State Funeral in England.Jason Rees (talk) 19:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- The deceased was in a high ranking office of power, and had a significant contribution/impact on the country/region.
- The deceased was a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such.
- The death has a major international impact that affects current events. The modification or creation of multiple articles to take into account the ramifications of a death is a sign that it meets the third criterion.
He appears to meet one and two there rather easily; in fact "country/region" for one might even be an understatement. --
- There appears to be some misunderstanding about the criteria. Criteria 1 refers to the situation preceeding the death NOT the situation several years back. From what I can tell Sir Bobby Robson was not in a high ranking office of power and had not been for a while. Also, the second criteria similar refers to a situation preceeding the death. Nil Einne (talk) 05:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Comment - If youre going to apply that critera then you need to apply it to Corazon Aquino as well as she wasnt in a high ranking office of power at her death.Jason Rees (talk) 16:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Since Nil Einne objected above, I'd like comments from long-time ITNers like Spencer or Tone, before I consider posting this. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Highly respected guy, and well thought of, but even as a football fan in England I can't suggest that there is any way that his expected death after a long illness is news of global significance. Ability of the press to generate respectful quotes about a person does not prove that person's significance (stick a mike under the Prime Minister's nose and ask him for a comment, and he is not likely to say anything against the guy who has just died), and minutes of silence at football matches seem to happen several times a season since the post-Diana public grief syndrome. What I must query is the objection on the grounds that the article has not been significantly updated since his death: all that is encyclopaedically relevant in this case is the fact that he has died: are the ITN-watchers suggesting that pages should be ]
- IMHO, the requirement of more than one sentence update in a biography article after the person has died is ridiculous. Even the media reports don't usually say much more about the death itself, and concentrate on describing the person's life instead. Offliner (talk) 07:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- Significant update means more than one line, not paragraphs or sections. It would refer to the reactions of people, the international community, etc. and could take about three to four lines that's all. I don't think this would swing the FA one way or another. I'm not sure an insufficient update is a reason to object. What I noticed about this one was the reactions from people from different countries and the President of his sport's global governing body. What needs to be determined is if consensus deems him notable enough for ITN based upon the available sources. --•wicke 17:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- Significant update means more than one line, not paragraphs or sections. It would refer to the reactions of people, the international community, etc. and could take about three to four lines that's all. I don't think this would swing the FA one way or another. I'm not sure an insufficient update is a reason to object. What I noticed about this one was the reactions from people from different countries and the President of his sport's global governing body. What needs to be determined is if consensus deems him notable enough for ITN based upon the available sources. --
- IMHO, the requirement of more than one sentence update in a biography article after the person has died is ridiculous. Even the media reports don't usually say much more about the death itself, and concentrate on describing the person's life instead.
- Highly respected guy, and well thought of, but even as a football fan in England I can't suggest that there is any way that his expected death after a long illness is news of global significance. Ability of the press to generate respectful quotes about a person does not prove that person's significance (stick a mike under the Prime Minister's nose and ask him for a comment, and he is not likely to say anything against the guy who has just died), and minutes of silence at football matches seem to happen several times a season since the post-Diana public grief syndrome. What I must query is the objection on the grounds that the article has not been significantly updated since his death: all that is encyclopaedically relevant in this case is the fact that he has died: are the ITN-watchers suggesting that pages should be ]
- Since Nil Einne objected above, I'd like comments from long-time ITNers like Spencer or Tone, before I consider posting this. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Bus crash - Sant Pol de Mar
- 8 deaths, dozens injured after a bus crash near talk) 16:35, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Object I live in the Barcelona region, and I could find half-a-dozen news items more worthy of ITN than this one just from the last week. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Really? What are they? Do Dutch tourists die every day of the week there and receive international coverage in countries such as Australia, Canada, China, France, India, Ireland, South Africa, Thailand, the United Arab Emirates and the United Kingdom? --•wicke 00:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- Six •wicke 00:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- Oppose. This was just a car accident, and I don't think the fatality is high enough. (Bombing attacks are quite a different matter.) --BorgQueen (talk) 04:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Note: Bus, not car accident. --•wicke 17:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- Belgium's reaction has since been added. --•wicke 17:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)]
- Belgium's reaction has since been added. --
- Note: Bus, not car accident. --
- Oppose. This was just a car accident, and I don't think the fatality is high enough. (Bombing attacks are quite a different matter.) --BorgQueen (talk) 04:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Six
- Really? What are they? Do Dutch tourists die every day of the week there and receive international coverage in countries such as Australia, Canada, China, France, India, Ireland, South Africa, Thailand, the United Arab Emirates and the United Kingdom? --
- Object I live in the Barcelona region, and I could find half-a-dozen news items more worthy of ITN than this one just from the last week. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Gazprom launches construction of the Sakhalin–Khabarovsk–Vladivostok gas pipeline.
- Not exactly a top news but maybe worth for mentioning. Beagel (talk) 15:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, this is notable and has a good article. Offliner (talk) 22:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Support it may not be making headlines, but this pipeline will be around much longer than those who do. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, this is notable and has a good article.
- A talk) 06:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- No major injuries reported. No mention of death whatsoever. Two US sources indicating no international coverage has been verified right now. No reason for me to support. --•wicke 16:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Neutral, 70,000 evacuated is a lot of people. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Supreme Court of Pakistan has declared the emergency of November 2007 as illegal.
This is significant, it is a historical case.yousaf465'
- The update is currently too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- More is coming in. I think this will thicken up.yousaf465'
- Support when ready. --•wicke 16:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks.yousaf465'
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support when ready. --
- Firefox
Firefox passes its 1st billion mark. i think this is pretty big. first time ever a browser other than IE has done this and open source at that. BBC. Probably one of the biggest open source accomplishments over private companies in a long time. Ashish-g55 15:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- besides we put sports records like this one all the time... dont even remember when we had an internet related item on ITN last time Ashish-g55 15:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- What sports records? Aren't these just statistics? --•wicke 16:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Well as you just said, Internet Explorer have done it before. So it's the second. (What is a 1 billion mark anyway?) Oppose. Cargoking talk 16:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- What sports records? Aren't these just statistics? --
July 30
- 70,000 people are evacuated from Bryan, TX, United States, after ammonium nitrate is released during a fire at the El Dorado Chemical Company warehouse there.(AP via google)
- Palmanova bombing
- At least two people are killed in a car bomb explosion at a Guardia Civil barracks in Palma Nova on the Spanish island of Mallorca. (RTÉ) (Straits Times)
- Travel chaos ensues as police order the closure of all airports and ports to prevent the culprits escaping. (BBC) (BBC) (Daily Mail)
- Prime Minister Sali Berisha indicates he may legalise gay marriage in the country. (CBS) (Straits Times)
- 2009 Nigeria religious violence
- Boko Haram Islamist sect leader Ustaz Mohammed Yusuf is shot and killed in Nigeria. (The Times)
- The United States Coast Guard calls off its search for as many as 79 Haitians missing after their boat capsized near the Turks and Caicos Islands with two hundred people onboard. (Al Jazeera) (CNN)
- grave of Neda Agha-Soltan and forcing Opposition leader Mir-Hossein Mousavi to make his exit. (BBC) (RTÉ)
- Foreign Minister Wilkie Rasmussen, accusing him of plotting to topple the government. (RNZI)
- A South Korean fishing boat is towed away by a North Korean patrol boat. (Al Jazeera) (BBC) (The Korea Times) (RTÉ)
- Moldovan President Vladimir Voronin says he is ready for dialogue "with all political forces represented in the new parliament". (RTÉ)
- Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd promises to create 50,000 green jobs and apprenticeships to combat climate change and unemployment simultaneously. (Straits Times)
- altercation between the two of them. (AP via New York Times)
- Referendum Commission research indicates a significant increase in the level of understanding of the Treaty of Lisbon among Irish voters. (RTÉ)
- Islamist militants kill at least 15 Algerian soldiers and injure 20 others in an ambush outside Tipaza. (BBC)
- 8 people are killed and 10 are injured in a bomb attack on the offices of a Sunni political party, Kitab Sultan, in Diyala Governorate. (Straits Times)
- Multiple sclerosis sufferer Debbie Purdy wins a "landmark victory" in the House of Lords in her fight to allow her husband to help her commit suicide abroad. (RTÉ) (Sky News)
- Iraq's government admit that seven Iranian exiles were killed when Iraqi forces took control of their camp north of Baghdad. (Reuters)
- swine flu. (RTÉ)
- The United States Presidential Medal of Freedom is awarded to several international figures including Stephen Hawking, Billie Jean King, Harvey Milk, Sidney Poitier, Mary Robinson, Desmond Tutu and Muhammad Yunus. (Boston Globe) (The Los Angeles Times) (San Francisco Chronicle)
ITN candidates for July 30
- Kazakhstan rocket launch
Yesterday if anyone is interested. --
- If there's an article, I'll support! Cargoking talk 16:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why these 6 satellites would be so notable. The only reason the BBC is mentioning them is that some of them were British. Offliner (talk) 03:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- So you would argue they aren't notable because it is Kazakhstan and doesn't concern the rest of the world? --•wicke 04:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- So you would argue they aren't notable because it is Kazakhstan and doesn't concern the rest of the world? --
- I'm not sure why these 6 satellites would be so notable. The only reason the BBC is mentioning them is that some of them were British.
- If there's an article, I'll support! Cargoking talk 16:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- First fast food in N Korea
Any significance?
- Its kinda like a Tim Hortons opening in Manhattan. not significant enough for ITN. Ashish-g55 16:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- It recently launched a beer commercial, however, the first foreign-run restaurant opening there was also reported in 2007. Not sure I agree with the above comparison though. --•wicke 16:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Sources also date from about five or six days ago so time may be running out/have already run out. --•wicke 16:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Oppose. Also, the thought of those doughnuts is driving me mad… Cargoking talk 16:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Now I am getting hungry... --•wicke 16:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Ya i was just drinking Tim Hortons coffee so i thought i should throw that in there. Ashish-g55 16:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well drink up! This conversation could go on for years. Cargoking talk 16:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Speaking of which… Come to Dublin Zoo, visit the new arrivals, and go Ireland's only actual Tim Hortons branch! (I think we could end this conversation here) Cargoking talk 16:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well drink up! This conversation could go on for years. Cargoking talk 16:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ya i was just drinking Tim Hortons coffee so i thought i should throw that in there. Ashish-g55 16:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Now I am getting hungry... --
- Oppose. Also, the thought of those doughnuts is driving me mad… Cargoking talk 16:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sources also date from about five or six days ago so time may be running out/have already run out. --
- It recently launched a beer commercial, however, the first foreign-run restaurant opening there was also reported in 2007. Not sure I agree with the above comparison though. --
- Oppose. I think this only notable from a certain point-of-view. Besides, there is no article, and it would be silly to write one about this. Offliner (talk) 03:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- 2009 Palmanova bombing(30 July)
- No deaths but I think it's an important event. - talk) 13:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Support, but all those [citation needed] tags need to be dealt with first. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Now, I see this [9] 2 deaths, also in Spain... I think that event can be added in first article, and then must be rename, as talk) 13:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Support too. I left lots of sources on the talk page yesterday which verify that it's being covered in several European countries, Australia, Asia, Africa and North America. It is also probably significant for its lack of death considering the scale of the injuries. --•wicke 13:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Separate articles maybe? "Thursday's attack was the deadliest since two Spanish undercover policemen were shot during an operation in south-western France in December 2007." The two attacks seem different (the latest seems a bit like •wicke 14:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Now we have 2 articles - talk) 14:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Please insert the deadliest since 2007 bit into the second one as it looks a bit bare on significance. --•wicke 15:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Support. The latter needs further updating though. Cargoking talk 15:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support also - Two bombings in two days is pretty significant --Daviessimo (talk) 15:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- 2 articles but should their only be 1 blurb? if they are totally unrelated then we shouldnt put them together. it will mislead people into thinking they are related in some way... Ashish-g55 15:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- How about separate blurbs if both are expanded a lot but one blurb if they are relatively short? --•wicke 15:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- As far as I'm aware the Spanish authorities have blamed both attacks on ETA and given that both were aimed towards the Civil Guard I think the link is more than likely true. If that is the case they will need to be listed together --Daviessimo (talk) 15:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Also, the BBC are now reporting that both airport and port have been closed and given that Majorca is a tourist mecca in Europe that is going to have huge implications. The port is a central turnaround point for Cruise Ships and the airport handles somewhere in the region of 800 flights a day during the summer months --Daviessimo (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- As far as I'm aware the Spanish authorities have blamed both attacks on ETA and given that both were aimed towards the Civil Guard I think the link is more than likely true. If that is the case they will need to be listed together --Daviessimo (talk) 15:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- How about separate blurbs if both are expanded a lot but one blurb if they are relatively short? --
- 2 articles but should their only be 1 blurb? if they are totally unrelated then we shouldnt put them together. it will mislead people into thinking they are related in some way... Ashish-g55 15:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support also - Two bombings in two days is pretty significant --Daviessimo (talk) 15:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. The latter needs further updating though. Cargoking talk 15:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Blurb: In talk) 20:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- How about in the (roughly speaking) form: "In •wicke 21:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- How about in the (roughly speaking) form: "In
- Please insert the deadliest since 2007 bit into the second one as it looks a bit bare on significance. --
- Now we have 2 articles -
- I think those article are updated enough! Who will be posted?talk) 18:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Separate articles maybe? "Thursday's attack was the deadliest since two Spanish undercover policemen were shot during an operation in south-western France in December 2007." The two attacks seem different (the latest seems a bit like
- Support too. I left lots of sources on the talk page yesterday which verify that it's being covered in several European countries, Australia, Asia, Africa and North America. It is also probably significant for its lack of death considering the scale of the injuries. --
- Now, I see this [9] 2 deaths, also in Spain... I think that event can be added in first article, and then must be rename, as
- Cable/Internet blackout in west africa.
BBC - "Around 70% of Nigeria's bandwidth was cut, causing severe problems for its banking sector, government and mobile phone networks." Multiple countries involved. Ashish-g55 13:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Can anyone update ]
- Yes, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Perfume
- It would be interesting but they do not even know which perfume or if it even was the perfume... right now it looks like some random carbon monoxide leak. Ashish-g55 14:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- KARI space launch
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- Cook Islands conspiracy
Sacked... --
- I would have supported if the sacking was done the other way around. (FM sacking PM) Sounds ridiculous, I know, but it would make a nice headline. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- •wicke 15:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Funny thing… A lot of colour (color to all you Americans out there), has appeared on this page recently. It really brightens up the serious topic of news. Thank you! Cargoking talk 15:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
July 29
- Nigerian battles
- The death toll in worst violence since November 2008 reaches over 250. (The Sydney Morning Herald)
- Boko Haram members flee Maiduguri after the military storms their leader's base and overruns their enclave. (BBC)
- The death toll in
- São Tomé and Príncipe signs a loan deal with former colonial power Portugal aimed at anchoring the dobra to the euro. (BBC)
- ]
- Guinea-Bissau former leader Malam Bacai Sanhá wins a presidential run-off to decide who replaces the assassinated João Bernardo Vieira. (BBC)
- A car bomb explodes outside a police barracks in the northern Spanish city of Burgos, injuring dozens of people. (RTÉ) (Sky News)
- An Internet blog belonging to a group calling itself "al-Qaeda Organisation Indonesia" claims responsibility for the July 17 Jakarta hotel bombings. (IOL)
- Venezuela "freezes" diplomatic relations with Colombia, after a dispute over Swedish weapons bought by Venezuela were allegedly found on FARC rebels. (Colombia Reports) (El Universal)[permanent dead link] (BBC)
- Dozens of people are arrested at opposition rallies in
- The trial of Sudanese journalist and United Nations worker Lubna Ahmed Hussein, who faces 40 lashes for wearing trousers, is adjourned. (BBC)
- French President Nicolas Sarkozy claims he is fine after his fainting fit. (IOL)
- The International Monetary Fund says it will take "unprecedented" measures to help poor countries cope with the economic downturn. (BBC)
- Cuba and Russia sign a deal which allows Russia to begin oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico. (BBC)
- A rocket is launched from Kazakhstan carrying two British-built satellites designed to help monitor natural disasters. (BBC)
ITN candidates for July 29
- Moldova election
Seems there will be a change of power in Moldova, someone please update the article. --Tone 08:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is there a BBC or other news link? Nominate! 14:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8173649.stm The results are pretty much clear, I think it's ready to post when updated. --Tone 15:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm more than happy to update the article once I get back from work just over an hour from now. Of course, if someone can update earlier I have no problem with that. talk) 15:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I'm more than happy to update the article once I get back from work just over an hour from now. Of course, if someone can update earlier I have no problem with that.
- Here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8173649.stm The results are pretty much clear, I think it's ready to post when updated. --Tone 15:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, took me longer to get home than I expected. Right, updating now...
- A national-level event in São Tomé and Príncipe
Portugal signs Sao Tome euro deal. Note: This is not a joke nomination and hopefully those who aren't interested won't be offended.
- The article to update is Nominate! 14:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- •wicke 19:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Posting, but a no on the image. I'm not too hot on flags/country maps/etc. for general stories like this. Nominate! 21:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Posting, but a no on the image. I'm not too hot on flags/country maps/etc. for general stories like this.
- Death of Leela Naidu
What is happening to all the beautiful women in India? ...crowned Miss India in 1955 and renowned for her beauty, starred in films including the award-winning Anuradha. Indian president Pratibha Patil said her work had "delighted Hindi film-goers across the country". Film-maker Shyam Benegal, who directed Naidu in 1985 movie Trikaal, said her death was "a loss to the film industry"... once featured in a Vogue magazine list of the most beautiful women in the world... One of world’s ‘most beautiful women’ dies Leela Naidu put India on the map Leela Naidu defined 'face of India' to the world Leela Naidu personified grace and beauty BOLLYWOOD LEGEND NAIDU DIES Leela Naidu passes away Flower in the shade: Leela Naidu passes away I think the first one might be more significant but this has lots of coverage so who knows? The President has commented which would be the equivalent of Barack Obama on Michael Jackson/politics meets entertainment I suppose. Discuss... --
- Although famous i think only bollywood person famous enough for ITN is Amitabh Bachchan. rest i would oppose. Ashish-g55 20:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would disagree with the more general point. IMHO there are definitely others, e.g. )
- Death of Gayatri Devi
What about her? According to the BBC, One of the last queens of India, Gayatri Devi, once described as one of the most beautiful women in the world... The fashion icon broke with tradition by winning election to parliament in 1962... She supported education for women, and founded a prestigious school in Jaipur... They spent the summers in Europe... Vogue magazine once listed her among the "World's Ten Most Beautiful Women"... During the 1970s, the then-Prime Minister Indira Gandhi abolished the last royal privileges, and Gayatri Devi was jailed for five months for violating tax laws. More coverage: Washington Post Daily Mail Calcutta Telegraph Indian Express The Hindu The Daily Telegraph Sounds like she had several careers anyway... --
- Is this some sort of joke? Neither of these deaths was unexpected. Start Existing (talk) 19:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Neither were the deaths of Millvina Dean or Raúl Alfonsín. And the last time there was a lot of death one of the nominations which occurred as a result was •wicke 20:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Neither were the deaths of Millvina Dean or Raúl Alfonsín. And the last time there was a lot of death one of the nominations which occurred as a result was
- Yahoo
- Bing and Yahoo! Search merge. Cargoking talk 12:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)]
- A lot of people aren't too hot on Internet articles appearing on ITN. Nonetheless, it seems to have notability enough to appear on ITN. I'm on the fence, though. Nominate! 15:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)]
- The danger being that this is the Internet, this is a website and that posting any or every web story that occurs risks being biased... will it change the world? --•wicke 16:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)]
- although merger of two of the 3 biggest internet search giants is pretty big. Ashish-g55 16:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- The danger being that this is the Internet, this is a website and that posting any or every web story that occurs risks being biased... will it change the world? --
July 28
- At least fifteen people die and at least 65 more disappear after a boat carrying 200 Haitian migrants sinks near the Turks and Caicos Islands. (BBC) (Daily Express) (Houston Chronicle) (Reuters) (Toronto Star)
- Violence in Nigeria continues as troops shell the home of Ustaz Mohammed Yusuf in Maiduguri, Borno State. (BBC) (The Miami Herald)
- England and Japan will stage the Rugby World Cup in 2015 and 2019 respectively. (BBC) (The Guardian) (RTÉ) (Taiwan News) (The Times)
- The U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. (The Washington Post)
- South African police clash with about 200 protesters at an informal settlement outside Johannesburg. (BBC)
- Kashmiri minister Omar Abdullah resigns over claims he was involved in a sex trafficking and underage prostitution racket. (The Times)
- The
- Efforts to free two aid workers from Ireland and Uganda who were kidnapped in Darfur on 3 July are said to be "ongoing". (RTÉ)
- Iran releases 140 people detained in its post-election unrest as the supreme leader orders a prison where jailed protesters were killed be closed. (The Daily Telegraph) (Press TV)
- Protests outside Croke Park threaten to disrupt U2's 360° Tour Gothenburg dates and several football matches. (Bloomberg) (CBC) (The Guardian) (NME) (RTÉ) (Taiwan News)
- AIDS campaigners and human rights groups accuse the Cambodian government of herding HIV-affected families into an "Aids colony" outside Phnom Penh. (The Guardian)
- prostitute. (The Times)
- A national memorial is to be erected and a national day of remembrance is considered in Ireland for victims of child abuse. (Irish Examiner)
- The longlist for the 2009 Man Booker Prize is announced. (The Guardian)
- Chinese scientists announce the discovery of "vampire gene", Tryp-SPc. (AsiaNews)
- Italian officials evacuate a newly built hospital in Agrigento in western Sicily after tests show it risked collapse in an earthquake. (BBC)
- 22 people are killed, 41 are injured and seven are missing after heavy rain and floods in Sichuan. (China Daily)
ITN candidates for July 28
- Death of Merce Cunningham
"The American choreographer Merce Cunningham, one of the creative giants of the 20th century, has died... bringing to a close one of the most extraordinary careers in dance... Cunningham was an unreconstructed revolutionary... For more than 50 years he remained true to his avant-garde instincts, refusing to follow any fashion but the one he spawned..." I wonder if it is suitable... --
- quite a bit of deaths lately. not that they went on main page but i think we rejected some that were more notable than this... Ashish-g55 17:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Candlewicke, I support because Cunningham was the greatest living choreographer. It might help your cause if you can explain why Walter Cronkite, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived, did not go up. :-) -SusanLesch (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Um, consensus maybe? I thought Cronkite was called the greatest though? I'm just doing as I always do, browsing the newspapers and raising anything which may be possible. My "cause" is not to see this posted over any others. --•wicke 17:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- i am going to oppose this on the basis that he was great in his field but not famous worldwide. I think deaths should only go up if they are at MJ level. Every field will have a "greatest" and every country has their own fields too so its just too many to put on. Ashish-g55 18:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ashishg55, Cunningham was known in Europe before he was known in the United States. (obituary says "International fame came to him before national fame.") -SusanLesch (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- well i worded it poorly. by international i dont mean few countries. i mean like MJ fame. I would put Nelson Mandela in in MJ category. so that kind of notability. but its upto other ppl i suppose. i just think deaths should be a lot stricter than other news. Ashish-g55 18:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just shows to go ya that you guys or gals are 100% wishy washy. ;-) -SusanLesch (talk) 18:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I still have my principle of unexpected death not going up unless they are extenuating circumstances. I go to an arts academy and don't know who Cunningham is. I'm afraid I'll have to oppose. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm gonna have to say oppose on this one. It seems that putting Jacko's death up has opened the proverbial flood gates with regards to deaths! Anyway my reasons are the same as always. Whilst this person may be well known in their field, the age of death is, for me, the problem. Had they been 50 I would probably support, because they were internationally known in their field and the death would have been unexpected. As it is, Cunningham was 90 and thus the death is not unexpected. I tend to agree with Ashishg's logic that anyone who goes up on ITN at this age, has to be known well enough for who they are or what they have achieved and I don't think Cunningham passes this test. I always use Tim Berners-Lee as the acid test - say his name to someone and they'll probably never have heard of him - tell someone what he was famous for and everyone knows that --Daviessimo (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's fine, I had never heard of this person either. However, it is difficult to determine just who exactly is well-known (even Michael Jackson is probably unknown on a remote island somewhere) so I just thought I'd nominate this one as it was an American getting a great obituary in •wicke 20:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- That's fine, I had never heard of this person either. However, it is difficult to determine just who exactly is well-known (even Michael Jackson is probably unknown on a remote island somewhere) so I just thought I'd nominate this one as it was an American getting a great obituary in
- I'm gonna have to say oppose on this one. It seems that putting Jacko's death up has opened the proverbial flood gates with regards to deaths! Anyway my reasons are the same as always. Whilst this person may be well known in their field, the age of death is, for me, the problem. Had they been 50 I would probably support, because they were internationally known in their field and the death would have been unexpected. As it is, Cunningham was 90 and thus the death is not unexpected. I tend to agree with Ashishg's logic that anyone who goes up on ITN at this age, has to be known well enough for who they are or what they have achieved and I don't think Cunningham passes this test. I always use Tim Berners-Lee as the acid test - say his name to someone and they'll probably never have heard of him - tell someone what he was famous for and everyone knows that --Daviessimo (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I still have my principle of unexpected death not going up unless they are extenuating circumstances. I go to an arts academy and don't know who Cunningham is. I'm afraid I'll have to oppose. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just shows to go ya that you guys or gals are 100% wishy washy. ;-) -SusanLesch (talk) 18:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- well i worded it poorly. by international i dont mean few countries. i mean like MJ fame. I would put Nelson Mandela in in MJ category. so that kind of notability. but its upto other ppl i suppose. i just think deaths should be a lot stricter than other news. Ashish-g55 18:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ashishg55, Cunningham was known in Europe before he was known in the United States. (obituary says "International fame came to him before national fame.") -SusanLesch (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- i am going to oppose this on the basis that he was great in his field but not famous worldwide. I think deaths should only go up if they are at MJ level. Every field will have a "greatest" and every country has their own fields too so its just too many to put on. Ashish-g55 18:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Um, consensus maybe? I thought Cronkite was called the greatest though? I'm just doing as I always do, browsing the newspapers and raising anything which may be possible. My "cause" is not to see this posted over any others. --
- Candlewicke, I support because Cunningham was the greatest living choreographer. It might help your cause if you can explain why Walter Cronkite, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived, did not go up. :-) -SusanLesch (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Omar Abdullah resigns
"The leading elected politician in Indian Kashmir resigned today over allegations that he was involved in a sex trafficking and underage prostitution racket." --
- Disgusting, but I'm not sure that he's a high-enough level politician to go up. However, we did have the Eliot Spitzer prostitution thing up (or was it removed?). Nominate! 19:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Oppose it's at a sub-national level. If this was Mr Singh, I'd support. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- There is a need to be consistent though... if US states go up then why not Indian or Chinese regional divisions for example... --•wicke 20:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- They shouldn't I'd oppose Spitzer if it happened today. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Why New York and not Kashmir? Because this is the English-language encyclopedia and we have many times more users in the U.S. than in India or China, despite the large populations of the latter countries. News value doesn't follow mathematical logic -- you can't say "If X is newsworthy and Y is another country's version of X, than Y is newsworthy." That's not how it works. No news outlet works that way. Note that I'm not opposing the nomination, just making a point about making comparisons. And yes, I know English is a lingua franca of India. Come to think of it, we probably do have many readers in India (although not nearly as many as in the U.S. or UK), and if this is a super-major story nationally in India, I'd be supportive of it going up. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I am not supporting/opposing as i dont yet know enough about this issue. just to comment on Mwalcoff's point. ur logic still resides on the fact that wikipedia has more users in US so new york news is more prominent. This is flawed logic. As u said this is english language "encyclopedia". news value is not determined by which users visit the encyclopedia its determined via logical comparison to other prominent news. a comparison with users visiting from particular country can never make rich encyclopedia. it will only contain similar type events hence heavily biased. Ashish-g55 21:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, that wasn't my argument at all! Neither is worthy of the main page IMHO. If your not a major national official, I couldn't care less if you're thrown out because you screwed some secretary! Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- are u saying this to candlewicke? lol. getting confused :( Ashish-g55 21:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- ☺ Well I certainly don't recall "screwing" any secretaries... :P --•wicke 02:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)]
- ☺ Well I certainly don't recall "screwing" any secretaries... :P --
- @ Mwalcoff: And if the sources are available and someone (who may not even be from that country but still might be interested) is willing to spend time nominating, preparing and updating it? Should it still be refused then because some readers might not be interested in the politics of what to them is such a faraway place? --•wicke 21:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- ok after reading properly. i oppose on grounds that its just some random resigning. if he killed a person and thats why he was forced to resign then it would be a lot more interesting. ppl sleeping with prostitutes is really not ITN material. I think it was mistake to post it for US case and it would be repeating the mistake for this case (even though for sake of being neutral it should be posted but seriously this isnt ITN worthy news). Ashish-g55 21:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, it was to Mwalcoff. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- @Candlewicke: If it meets all other ITN criteria, I wouldn't mind putting it up because I think we ought to strive for geographical diversity. However, at the same time, I object to the kind of mathematical-logical reasoning that I talked about. You can't draw exact comparisons between two countries, nor should we make blanket statements like, "Sub-national political news should not go up on ITN." Not to pick on the Third World, but I'd bet there would be a lot more interest among our readers in Sarah Palin's resignation as governor of Alaska or something involving Arnold Schwarzenegger than in a national-level event in São Tomé and Príncipe and, just as importantly, the namespace article about Palin or Arnold is likely of much higher quality than that of the president of São Tomé and Príncipe. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, it was to Mwalcoff. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- ok after reading properly. i oppose on grounds that its just some random resigning. if he killed a person and thats why he was forced to resign then it would be a lot more interesting. ppl sleeping with prostitutes is really not ITN material. I think it was mistake to post it for US case and it would be repeating the mistake for this case (even though for sake of being neutral it should be posted but seriously this isnt ITN worthy news). Ashish-g55 21:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- are u saying this to candlewicke? lol. getting confused :( Ashish-g55 21:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, that wasn't my argument at all! Neither is worthy of the main page IMHO. If your not a major national official, I couldn't care less if you're thrown out because you screwed some secretary! Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I am not supporting/opposing as i dont yet know enough about this issue. just to comment on Mwalcoff's point. ur logic still resides on the fact that wikipedia has more users in US so new york news is more prominent. This is flawed logic. As u said this is english language "encyclopedia". news value is not determined by which users visit the encyclopedia its determined via logical comparison to other prominent news. a comparison with users visiting from particular country can never make rich encyclopedia. it will only contain similar type events hence heavily biased. Ashish-g55 21:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Why New York and not Kashmir? Because this is the English-language encyclopedia and we have many times more users in the U.S. than in India or China, despite the large populations of the latter countries. News value doesn't follow mathematical logic -- you can't say "If X is newsworthy and Y is another country's version of X, than Y is newsworthy." That's not how it works. No news outlet works that way. Note that I'm not opposing the nomination, just making a point about making comparisons. And yes, I know English is a lingua franca of India. Come to think of it, we probably do have many readers in India (although not nearly as many as in the U.S. or UK), and if this is a super-major story nationally in India, I'd be supportive of it going up. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- They shouldn't I'd oppose Spitzer if it happened today. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- There is a need to be consistent though... if US states go up then why not Indian or Chinese regional divisions for example... --
- Oppose it's at a sub-national level. If this was Mr Singh, I'd support. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Abdelkader Belliraj
- Islamist militant group and committing six murders in Belgium, is sentenced to life imprisonment in Morocco. [10] Can anyone update the article? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I can. Updating article now... talk) 16:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Are you an angel in disguise? Thanks! --BorgQueen (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Lol, no problem. :) Right, is the article ok now? Also, looking at the AP source cited, Belliraj wasn't convicted of the murders. He has been accused of them, but he wasn't charged on those. Perhaps a better ITN sentence might be one that revolves around his conviction for plotting terrorist attacks in Morocco? talk) 17:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- As for the blurb, yes. The article still needs some minor cleanups and an infobox. I can take care of that. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Gotcha. Looking again at the suggested ITN sentence above, it doesn't say he was convicted for murder, so my apologies for the misreading. However, I think it does give the impression he was convicted for murder. How about this for a suggestion: talk) 17:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Gotcha. Looking again at the suggested ITN sentence above, it doesn't say he was convicted for murder, so my apologies for the misreading. However, I think it does give the impression he was convicted for murder. How about this for a suggestion:
- As for the blurb, yes. The article still needs some minor cleanups and an infobox. I can take care of that. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Lol, no problem. :) Right, is the article ok now? Also, looking at the AP source cited, Belliraj wasn't convicted of the murders. He has been accused of them, but he wasn't charged on those. Perhaps a better ITN sentence might be one that revolves around his conviction for plotting terrorist attacks in Morocco?
- Are you an angel in disguise? Thanks! --BorgQueen (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you.
- Turks and Caicos Islands—people die!
(BBC) (Daily Express) (Houston Chronicle) --
- Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, when everyone is accounted for. Cargoking talk 14:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just 2 confirmed dead according to the BBC. I say wait a bit longer until more are confirmed dead. Nominate! 19:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I'll wait for more information. It sadly depends on the death toll. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's nine now just to let you know. --•wicke 19:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Eleven. --•wicke 20:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- That's the article - talk) 20:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Yeah, still doing it, I based the title and categories on •wicke 20:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Support if the death toll continues to rise, which I suspect it will, given that there are still 70+ missing. --Daviessimo (talk) 20:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, still doing it, I based the title and categories on
- That's the article -
- Eleven. --
- It's nine now just to let you know. --
- I'll wait for more information. It sadly depends on the death toll. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just 2 confirmed dead according to the BBC. I say wait a bit longer until more are confirmed dead.
- Support, when everyone is accounted for. Cargoking talk 14:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- First U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue
Any support? The article seems to be well-updated already. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Silence means yes? :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 19:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Going to post soon, believing there is no objection. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support a major international meeting on foreign and economic policy including dozens of officials, many of them in their cabinets. The G2 dominant nations with the East and the West. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the recognition. I spent a lot of time updating this page. More information will roll out later today once the meeting is concluded. I want to thank the other contributing editors too for their good work. Poliphile (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Good work, Poliphile! -SusanLesch (talk) 02:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you! •wicke 04:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Yes, thank you!
- Good work, Poliphile! -SusanLesch (talk) 02:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the recognition. I spent a lot of time updating this page. More information will roll out later today once the meeting is concluded. I want to thank the other contributing editors too for their good work. Poliphile (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support a major international meeting on foreign and economic policy including dozens of officials, many of them in their cabinets. The G2 dominant nations with the East and the West. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Going to post soon, believing there is no objection. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Arab Commission for Human Rights
- The United Nations suspends the Arab Commission for Human Rights after Algeria claimed that the group has connections to a "known terrorist". [11] Does anyone think this is notable? The suspension is only for one year, but it was decided without a vote amid controversy. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose What is it? What does it do? I've never heard of it in my life. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Iran releases 140 demonstrators
- The government in Iran releases 140 demonstrators from prison in Evin Prison after the disputed elections earlier in the year, a day after a judge condoned the arrests. - Mitch/HC32 16:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC) - - source
- Is there an updated section in Nominate! 19:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I was under the impression that there are 300 protesters in jail, Mousavi claiming that the number is far higher and 300 is just the number reported to the judiciary. However, if you include that the courts demanded a reason to keep them the day before, it gains more weight. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed.Mitch/HC32
July 27
- President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo delivers her last State of the Nation Address and denies plans to extend her term which end in June 2010 as plans to convene a constituent assembly to amend the constitution erupts. (BBC) (Philippine Daily Inquirer)[permanent dead link]
- A line of wildfires in the Mediterranean region, which has killed eight people, spreads to Croatia. (RTÉ) (The Times)
- At least 150 people are killed as clashes continue between radical Islamists in northern Nigeria after two days of unrest. (BBC) (Associated Press) (Africasia)
- Canada challenges the seal ban of the European Union at the World Trade Organization. (BBC) (CBC) (Reuters)
- The
- Former
- A rural community in the Eastern Cape in South Africa lays claim to the entire town of Mthatha in one of the biggest land restitution cases since the end of apartheid. (Sky News)
- French President Nicolas Sarkozy leaves hospital after tests due to his fainting fits. (BBC) (RTÉ) (The Times)
- German health minister Ulla Schmidt is criticised when her official car is stolen during the burglarization of her driver's hotel room in Alicante, Spain. (BBC) (Deutsche Welle)
- A Saudi man facing flogging or imprisonment for speaking of his illegal sexual conquests on television apologises for his actions. (BBC)
- A break-in at Christ Church Cathedral in Waterford, Ireland, damages the building and the Thomas Elliott organ, dating from 1817. (The Irish Times) (RTÉ) (Sunday Tribune)[permanent dead link]
- Researchers outline bokodes, a proposed replacement for the black and white stripes of the traditional barcode. (BBC)
- A British-led military offensive, Operation Panther's Claw, succeeds in clearing the Taliban from parts of southern Helmand Province in Afghanistan. (CNN)
- Prime Minister Sali Berisha's alliance wins enough seats to form a government, though it fell one seat short of a majority. (BBC)
ITN candidates for July 27
- Kyrgyzstani presidential election, 2009
Can anyone update
- Updating now... talk) 15:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)]
Nigerian gun battles
I've started the article Boko Haram. Could the ITN story be changed to be a bit more decriptive and link to this article? e.g.:
AndrewRT(Talk) 01:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
July 26
- Seven people are killed in hurricane-force winds reaching 130 km/h in Poland and two more are killed by wind in the Czech Republic. Hail falls on 60,000 hectares of crops in Austria, causing damage of at least €20 million. (Sydney Morning Herald) (BBC)
- Dozens are killed in clashes between radical Islamists and security forces in Bauchi, Nigeria, following a police station attack by an armed gang in retaliation for the arrests of their leaders. (The Irish Times) (Reuters)
- Fernando Chui Sai On is elected the third Chief Executive of Macau. (BBC)
- Six people are killed in an apartment building fire in Rinkeby, Stockholm. (RTÉ) (Stockholm News)
- India launches its first nuclear submarine, the INS Arihant. (The Times of India) (Associated Press) (Xinhua) (RIA Novosti)
- Voters in
- French President Nicolas Sarkozy takes ill whilst exercising. (RTÉ)
- At least five people are killed and more are wounded by a suicide attack at a concert hall in the Chechen capital Grozny. (BBC)
ITN candidates for July 26
Final is today. –Howard the Duck 16:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have to point out that in the soccer world, I don't think this tournament is that enormous of a deal. Not as big as the UEFA Euro tournament, certainly, and certainly less prominent in the host country than a lot of other events we don't put up on ITN. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Listed at WP:ITNR, although it could've been bigger if a team other than the host wins. –Howard the Duck 06:30, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I added it to ITNR a few months ago because the other continental championships were listed, but not CONCACAF. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 17:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think any soccer tournament that Canada (FIFA ranking 92) has won twice must be pretty much a joke in the soccer world. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- theres only so many countries in North america and canada winning in a north american only tournament isnt that crazy. maybe it is not upto european soccer level but its still multiple countries and if we add europe only tourney's i see no reason not to have this too. i agree its not too exciting but its for sake of being neutral. Ashish-g55 (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- But I mean there are a lot of other North American sporting events that generate far more interest than the Gold Cup that we don't have on ITN. This to me reflects the problems with saying "All items of type X should go on ITN" or "No item of type X should go on ITN" rather than looking at things on a case-by-case basis. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think you're being a little short sited here. The Gold Cup does not start and end in North America - you also have Central America and the Caribbean. Football is a big deal in countries like Costa Rica, Honduras and Mexico (it's so big in Mexico that one of the US club teams is named after one of the biggest Mexican clubs, due to the large Mexican population in California!). Just because it will not cause much interest in the US, is not a valid reason for this not to go up --Daviessimo (talk) 18:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- But I mean there are a lot of other North American sporting events that generate far more interest than the Gold Cup that we don't have on ITN. This to me reflects the problems with saying "All items of type X should go on ITN" or "No item of type X should go on ITN" rather than looking at things on a case-by-case basis. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- theres only so many countries in North america and canada winning in a north american only tournament isnt that crazy. maybe it is not upto european soccer level but its still multiple countries and if we add europe only tourney's i see no reason not to have this too. i agree its not too exciting but its for sake of being neutral. Ashish-g55 (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think any soccer tournament that Canada (FIFA ranking 92) has won twice must be pretty much a joke in the soccer world. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I added it to ITNR a few months ago because the other continental championships were listed, but not CONCACAF. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 17:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Listed at
- Note: Mexico won big time. –Howard the Duck 00:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Mexico? Support. :D --•wicke 03:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Mexico? Support. :D --
Much more important than the CONCACAF Cup. MickMacNee (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- It says this is a charity game... i am not familiar with this so i will assume u were being sarcastic (correct me if im wrong)... and if u were being sarcastic then please try not to nominate such items in future since it makes this page extra long for no reason. thanks Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Nigerian gunbattle; at least 32 dead
Is this suitable for ITN? --
- I'd support, provided there was a well-updated article. Nominate! 17:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I'd support, provided there was a well-updated article.
- It looks like it may be an isolated incident without wider implications? If the article is very good, and can well demonstrate a connection to the wider conflict then I'd support, but otherwise not. Offliner (talk) 17:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)]
- India's first nuclear submarine
- India launches its first nuclear submarine INS Arihant, becoming the sixth country in the world that can construct the vessels. [13] This is a significant move, considering its relationship with Pakistan. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:58, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- The article needs a thorough rewriting though. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- If anyone supports, I will rewrite the article. (Surprise, surprise!) --BorgQueen (talk) 18:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- China's Giant Panda first
Pandas are endangered, right? It's scientific. International coverage certainly isn't a problem. BBC The Washington Post Xinhua News Agency The Irish Times The New Zealand Herald Does anyone support? --
- Leaning towards support but do you think that enough info is out there to write about? The news releases are mostly too short to get anything much out of them. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- In cycling, Alberto Contador from Spain, wins the 2009 Tour de France. TouLouse 07:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Spain's Alberto Contador wins the 96th Tour de France ahead of Andy Schleck of Luxembourg, and his American team-mate, seven time winner Lance Armstrong.
- Annually reported and on the recurring events list. Armstrong's comeback achievement deserves a mention, as does a team getting two men on the podium, but I would be opposed to mentioning 3rd place if we don't name 2nd. I'd suggest against linking the countries, otherwise there is far more blue text than black. If there is concern that readers won't know what sport this deals with (I would be happy to assume recognition, but...), the genitive cycling's could replace the as the fifth word: I'd suggest dropping 96th in this instance. The most appropriate looking pic on Contador's item is probably File:Contador2.jpg, which at least has him in a yellowish jersey (it is actually the gold jersey of the tour of Spain) and his current team's insignia (albeit last year's version thereof). Kevin McE (talk) 07:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ready! Conta wins! TouLouse 15:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is it possible to put a little more prose into the article? Nominate! 17:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)]
- To have prose descriptions of 21 stages would make the article very lengthy: the descriptive element is in the oft-linked daughter articles 2009 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11 and 2009 Tour de France, Stage 12 to Stage 21. Kevin McE (talk) 19:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- But I've added a Race Overview section as well. Kevin McE (talk) 20:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is it possible to put a little more prose into the article?
- Ready! Conta wins! TouLouse 15:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Annually reported and on the recurring events list. Armstrong's comeback achievement deserves a mention, as does a team getting two men on the podium, but I would be opposed to mentioning 3rd place if we don't name 2nd. I'd suggest against linking the countries, otherwise there is far more blue text than black. If there is concern that readers won't know what sport this deals with (I would be happy to assume recognition, but...), the genitive cycling's could replace the as the fifth word: I'd suggest dropping 96th in this instance. The most appropriate looking pic on Contador's item is probably File:Contador2.jpg, which at least has him in a yellowish jersey (it is actually the gold jersey of the tour of Spain) and his current team's insignia (albeit last year's version thereof). Kevin McE (talk) 07:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
July 25
- Harry Patch, the last surviving World War I veteran to have fought in the trenches, dies aged 111. (BBC) (CNN)
- Worldwide protests in 80 cities take place in support of
- Voters go to the polls in
- Wildfires in France, Greece, Sardinia and Spain kill and injure dozens. (RTÉ)
- Felipe Massa is critically injured in a 160mph crash during qualifying for the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix, when a suspension component from Rubens Barrichello's car hits him on his helmet. (TSN)
ITN candidates for July 25
- 2009 southern Europe wildfires
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- Support, several countries involved. --•wicke 19:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)]
- By the way, there might be better pics available at low resolution. File:Sierra Cabrera wildfire 6.jpg possibley? Heck, this really is first-hand journalism to the max. Jolly Ω Janner 20:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- After looking at the article, it could probably use some section dividers, and infobox, and a little more information about the Greek fires before it goes up. Nominate! 20:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)]
- After looking at the article, it could probably use some section dividers, and infobox, and a little more information about the Greek fires before it goes up.
- By the way, there might be better pics available at low resolution. File:Sierra Cabrera wildfire 6.jpg possibley? Heck, this really is first-hand journalism to the max. Jolly Ω Janner 20:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Harry Patch
"Harry Patch, the last surviving World War I veteran to fight in the trenches, dies at age 111." I'm not sure whether we should put him up, as he is the last to fight in the trenches, or wait until the final veteran passes. --PlasmaTwa2 21:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well it's not every week a •wicke 22:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)]
July 24
- China produces a giant panda using frozen sperm. (BBC) (The Irish Times) (The Washington Post) (Xinhua)
- At least six people die as a derails 30km from its destination. (AP via Google News)
- seat held by Labour for the past 12 years. (The Guardian)
- 20 people are killed in a
- The Indonesian presidential election. (AP via Google News)
- Wildfires in the north east of Spain claim the lives of six firefighters in that region. (Sky News)
- The trial of Burmese National League for Democracy General Secretary Aung San Suu Kyi nears its end. (Jakarta Globe) (The Times) (Al Jazeera)
- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is urged to dismiss his choice of Vice President, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei. (Associated Press) (Press TV)
- Aria Air Flight 1525 crashes in Mashhad, Iran, killing at least 17 people and injuring 19 of the 153 people on board. (BBC)
- The Juan Carlos I of Spain. (The New York Times)
- Afghan President Hamid Karzai, setting out his election manifesto, vows to make foreign troops sign a framework governing how they operate in a bid to limit civilians casualties. (Reuters)
- mayors in Operation Bid Rig. (The New York Times)
- A group of 8 people were trapped for 8 hours in an Otis elevator in Toronto. A repair man who tried to fix the elevator fell 10 floors to his death. (CityNews)
ITN candidates for July 24
- FBI and IRS agents arrests 44 people, including five rabbis, two New Jersey state legislators, and three mayors. Michelle Bentley (talk) 12:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Gran Telescopio Canarias
The ]
- Can anyone expand the paragraph on the formal opening a bit? --BorgQueen (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Iran aircraft crash - 17 die talk) 17:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)]
Has been killed by a US missile attack in Pakistan, [14]
- Sounds a bit speculative to me. The U.S. officials are not 100% certain. I mean, it is not that they have his body or some tangible proof. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- New Species found
Some gecko looking thing found in india. Its been named Cnemasspis kolhapurensis. which is incredibly hard to pronounce. Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hundreds (perhaps more) of species are discovered every year. Are we going to feature them all? I think the new species will have to have some "abnormal" chracteristic to be on ITN, like Titanoboa. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- ya i was skeptical too about this. since we just had the salamander. well maybe we dont need to go to Titanoba all the way. thats like waiting for dinos to come back lol. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Report of successful breakthrough in stem cell research, without the need for embryonic stem cells
Chinese researchers from the
- Well we have to look at it.yousaf465'
- That's big news. When the articles are updated, I support. --Tone 13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- The iPS cells were generated from embryonic fibroblasts, not adult stem cells (says both the Nature and Cell Stem Cell paper). Both adult stem cells and fibroblasts have been made iPS cells before, the news is that they got whole mice (non-chimeric even) out of the cells. Narayanese (talk) 16:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Norwich North by-election
- I know the result hasn't been announced yet, but because of the certainty amongst the press and analysts that the Conservatives will win, I thought to pre-empt the announcement with this suggestion. Of course, it will need to be confirmed that Smith has won before it goes up, if it goes up. I know this is just a by-election, but I think it is deserving of a place in ITN, because it is the first of the type since the expenses scandal, and because this was a safe Labour seat. Having said this, I understand if the nomination is opposed; I just thought what's the harm in trying. talk) 11:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Sorry, I have to oppose, we really feature just top-level elections, such as parliamentary and presidential. --Tone 11:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Unless it leads to a snap election, the PM's resignation or some other significant political action it not going to be big enough for ITN. --Daviessimo (talk) 16:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I have to oppose, we really feature just top-level elections, such as parliamentary and presidential. --Tone 11:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Bus crash
- 20 people are killed in a bus crash near Samarskoye, Russia. (BBC)
- Can anyone help with an article? Cargoking talk 11:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes - talk) 12:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Now updated.
- Yes -
- At least 21 people are killed in a ]
- The article is still too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- 2009 Croatia train crash
- 4 death and 20 injured. talk) 12:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Two traffic accidents in one day, if the articles are updated enough, I would support having them in one blurb together. --Tone 13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
July 23
- The Dow Jones Industrial Average closes above 9000 for the first time since January. (The New York Times)
- The United States signs the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation in Southeast Asia. (BBC)
- Two Swedish passenger ferries sailing between the mainland and Gotland collide in fog just off the port of Nynäshamn south of Stockholm, injuring at least 15 people. (Reuters)
- The
- Voters in presidential election, as the main opposition candidate Almazbek Atambayev pulls out. (AFP via Google News) (BBC)
- The
- Ireland's Dublin Area Rapid Transit (DART) celebrates its twenty-fifth anniversary. (Irish Independent) (The Irish Times)
- The FBI arrests 30 officials and rabbis in the U.S. state of New Jersey as part of a public corruption and international money laundering probe called Operation Bid Rig. Authorities also search a synagogue and remove several boxes. (Newark Star-Ledger)
- German federal election, 2009. (Deutsche Welle)
- Chicago White Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle completes a perfect game against the Tampa Bay Rays. (ESPN.com)
ITN candidates for July 23
- Mark Buehrle's perfect game
- Mark Buehrle of the Chicago White Sox pitches the 18th perfect game in Major League Baseball history against the Tampa Bay Rays.
- A perfect game is the ultimate pitching accomplishment in baseball. The pitcher gets out all 27 batters he faces in a row, not allowing a single hitter to reach first base. It has happened only 18 times since 1880, the previous time in 2004. Sox fan Barack Obama called Buehrle to congratulate him after the game. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- As far as i can tell this is considered hard to do. but this isnt a record... Martin Brodeur's all time record wasnt added since it was considered too "domestic" in nature. This is a perfect game in MLB which is also "domestic". So i do not know... i will give it a weak support since there is no guarantee he will not do it again tomorrow. statistically it shouldnt happen but that is what we said for Kaká trade which got beat like the next week. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- To test the notability of this event i would like to compare it to this List of goaltenders who have scored a goal in an NHL game. If we can agree that everytime goalie scoring a goal in NHL will make it to ITN then i will fully support a perfect game for MLB. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Strong Support A perfect game has happened only 18 times in well over 100 years. No pitcher has ever done it more than once. This is by far the most notable option. Alexfusco5 01:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- To test the notability of this event i would like to compare it to this
- As far as i can tell this is considered hard to do. but this isnt a record... Martin Brodeur's all time record wasnt added since it was considered too "domestic" in nature. This is a perfect game in MLB which is also "domestic". So i do not know... i will give it a weak support since there is no guarantee he will not do it again tomorrow. statistically it shouldnt happen but that is what we said for Kaká trade which got beat like the next week. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I oppose this one as well. This goes into the category of sport statistics and I am against those in most cases. Since there is a clear opposition to this entry above, I have replaced it with one of the previous entries. --Tone 07:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- For me the only sporting stats worthy of going up are very top level world records and firsts. However, even then I'm leaning towards opposing those because with modern athletes and technology they are being broken and beaten ever more often. --Daviessimo (talk) 08:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm betting even the Japanese would concede that MLB is the "top-level" of baseball. –Howard the Duck 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes but it is not a world record or world first is it? Even if it were, I still feel that sporting records are broken so often that it kind of makes them redundant. I mean where do you draw the line at notability? Is Jaime Alguersuari becoming the youngest ever F1 driver on Sunday notable? The previous record has stood since 1980, which is much longer ago than the last 'perfect game' in MLB --Daviessimo (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- If you think about it, you can't "break a record" for a perfect game, unless of course you do it twice in a career, or if the game extends into a gazillion innings.
- And I dunno about Alguersuari, but a perfect game requires that the pitcher's team win the game. We did this for Vettel when he became the youngest driver ever to win, so that make sense. –Howard the Duck 09:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes but Vettel was a world record, in arguably the most international sporting championship on the planet. I'm no expert on baseball (in fact I know hardly anything) but surely this fella will start the next game still 'unbeaten' as it were. He has in one game got out 27 batters for nothing. In the next game if he gets out the first batter for nothing surely he moves onto 28 unbeaten and it will continue like this. If that is the case the equivilant world record would be when he reaches and exceeds the highest number of batters out, without any of them reaching first base. --Daviessimo (talk) 09:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think Buehrle will play at least after 4 games, and I dunno if they kept records the way you are saying. No one has had a perfect game twice in his career, and I think the "perfect game" doesn't carry over the way you said it, unless he pitches perfectly the next game, which has never happened. –Howard the Duck 10:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hence i suggested using NHL's goalie scoring goal as a measurement tool. That has only happened 11 times too so if u can agree on posting it everytime it happens then i guess perfect game can go up too. i gave a weak support earlier because of rarity factor but if something rare in one sport gets posted then it should be posted in others too. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I dunno if we compare this with NHL goalies though. The perfect game is a test on how good a pitcher is. A goalie scoring a goal is more of a feel-good story. I'd like it if a goalie breaks the record for most consecutive shutouts or something like that. –Howard the Duck 13:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- But do we really wanna put ITN item when someone does good at a game that they play professionally? Im sure every game has certain way of displaying how great a player is. Thats why we usually stick to records since they need to be broken. A perfect game is just display of how good u r at a certain game that is mainly only played in one country. now if he goes on a perfect game streak somehow then that becomes a record and we can put something like that for sure. So i am going to take my weak support back and put an oppose for this reason. Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Its interesting to see non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page. A perfect game is a big deal. The object of the game defensively is to get batters out and a perfect game is 27 of them in a row. I suppose retiring the entire team without any runs in cricket would be the equivalent but that would be much less common because scores are much higher in cricket than in baseball. These rarity discussions are absurd non sequiturs. A goalie scoring a goal is a fluke thing. Its like striking out four batters in an inning or something. I'm OK with the perfect game being taken off the ITN, but using rare flukes to demonstrate that great feats are not notable is bizarre logic.DavidRF (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- A goalie scoring a goal is not a fluke... everything can be considered fluke by ur logic. Goalies intentionally try to score goals many times and it pretty much never happens as it is not easy. So calling their feat a fluke is also very absurd. No matter what this feat falls under a rare event in a game category. This is not a record in any way. For ex. if a country were to just invent a game tomorrow and call this one aspect of game very hard to accomplish then would we post it everytime it happens? A major record in a game i can understand atleast it needs to be broken. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- And also the entire conversation above has nothing to do with being a fan or not... we are constructively trying to discuss notability and calling the discussion an attempt for "non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page" is almost offensive. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Goalies scoring goals in hockey most certainly is a fluke thing. It pretty much never happens because teams almost never try! You'd be hard-pressed to find any real hockey fans who associate this feat with greatness. If it was such a big deal, goalies would spend less time guarding their own net. Perhaps "fluke" is too disrespectful, but its a very odd feat. A pitcher actually wants to retire every batter he faces. And baseball wasn't just invented. Its been around a while. :-) I'm OK with the perfect game not making ITN because its going to happen about every five years or so and every-five-year feats would clog up ITN if they were included for all sports, but please don't use your goalie-goal example in the future, its completely ridiculous and in my opinion unconstructive. I apologize for the "keeping baseball news" off the page remark. Especially since I concur with the conclusion here. Cheers.DavidRF (talk) 15:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- i wouldnt really include either events. goalie goal is just example of a rare event for a sport. and my point is adding all the rare events no matter how great the feat is probably not a good idea. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Goalies scoring goals in hockey most certainly is a fluke thing. It pretty much never happens because teams almost never try! You'd be hard-pressed to find any real hockey fans who associate this feat with greatness. If it was such a big deal, goalies would spend less time guarding their own net. Perhaps "fluke" is too disrespectful, but its a very odd feat. A pitcher actually wants to retire every batter he faces. And baseball wasn't just invented. Its been around a while. :-) I'm OK with the perfect game not making ITN because its going to happen about every five years or so and every-five-year feats would clog up ITN if they were included for all sports, but please don't use your goalie-goal example in the future, its completely ridiculous and in my opinion unconstructive. I apologize for the "keeping baseball news" off the page remark. Especially since I concur with the conclusion here. Cheers.DavidRF (talk) 15:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- And also the entire conversation above has nothing to do with being a fan or not... we are constructively trying to discuss notability and calling the discussion an attempt for "non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page" is almost offensive. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- A goalie scoring a goal is not a fluke... everything can be considered fluke by ur logic. Goalies intentionally try to score goals many times and it pretty much never happens as it is not easy. So calling their feat a fluke is also very absurd. No matter what this feat falls under a rare event in a game category. This is not a record in any way. For ex. if a country were to just invent a game tomorrow and call this one aspect of game very hard to accomplish then would we post it everytime it happens? A major record in a game i can understand atleast it needs to be broken. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Its interesting to see non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page. A perfect game is a big deal. The object of the game defensively is to get batters out and a perfect game is 27 of them in a row. I suppose retiring the entire team without any runs in cricket would be the equivalent but that would be much less common because scores are much higher in cricket than in baseball. These rarity discussions are absurd non sequiturs. A goalie scoring a goal is a fluke thing. Its like striking out four batters in an inning or something. I'm OK with the perfect game being taken off the ITN, but using rare flukes to demonstrate that great feats are not notable is bizarre logic.DavidRF (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- But do we really wanna put ITN item when someone does good at a game that they play professionally? Im sure every game has certain way of displaying how great a player is. Thats why we usually stick to records since they need to be broken. A perfect game is just display of how good u r at a certain game that is mainly only played in one country. now if he goes on a perfect game streak somehow then that becomes a record and we can put something like that for sure. So i am going to take my weak support back and put an oppose for this reason. Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I dunno if we compare this with NHL goalies though. The perfect game is a test on how good a pitcher is. A goalie scoring a goal is more of a feel-good story. I'd like it if a goalie breaks the record for most consecutive shutouts or something like that. –Howard the Duck 13:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hence i suggested using NHL's goalie scoring goal as a measurement tool. That has only happened 11 times too so if u can agree on posting it everytime it happens then i guess perfect game can go up too. i gave a weak support earlier because of rarity factor but if something rare in one sport gets posted then it should be posted in others too. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think Buehrle will play at least after 4 games, and I dunno if they kept records the way you are saying. No one has had a perfect game twice in his career, and I think the "perfect game" doesn't carry over the way you said it, unless he pitches perfectly the next game, which has never happened. –Howard the Duck 10:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes but Vettel was a world record, in arguably the most international sporting championship on the planet. I'm no expert on baseball (in fact I know hardly anything) but surely this fella will start the next game still 'unbeaten' as it were. He has in one game got out 27 batters for nothing. In the next game if he gets out the first batter for nothing surely he moves onto 28 unbeaten and it will continue like this. If that is the case the equivilant world record would be when he reaches and exceeds the highest number of batters out, without any of them reaching first base. --Daviessimo (talk) 09:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes but it is not a world record or world first is it? Even if it were, I still feel that sporting records are broken so often that it kind of makes them redundant. I mean where do you draw the line at notability? Is Jaime Alguersuari becoming the youngest ever F1 driver on Sunday notable? The previous record has stood since 1980, which is much longer ago than the last 'perfect game' in MLB --Daviessimo (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm betting even the Japanese would concede that MLB is the "top-level" of baseball. –Howard the Duck 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- New works of Mozart
2 new works of mozart have been found. Not too many details yet. they are to be released Aug 2. i think this is definitely noteworthy but maybe wait till more details arrive? Ashish-g55 (talk) 22:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose until details arrive. MacMedtalkstalk 02:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - I was looking at this one of the BBC website and thinking it looks like a good item. However, I think we need to wait for official confirmation, which will be given next week --Daviessimo (talk) 08:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- i will put the nom in future events for Aug 2. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm a bit skeptical. Discoveries like these are not uncommon. They tease the press with a news release and then very little ever comes of it. I guess we'll see on Aug 2. Hope I'm wrong.DavidRF (talk) 14:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- DavidRF please drop in once on Aug 2 to give ur comment on the new finds. will help in making decision. thanks Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm a bit skeptical. Discoveries like these are not uncommon. They tease the press with a news release and then very little ever comes of it. I guess we'll see on Aug 2. Hope I'm wrong.DavidRF (talk) 14:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- i will put the nom in future events for Aug 2. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - I was looking at this one of the BBC website and thinking it looks like a good item. However, I think we need to wait for official confirmation, which will be given next week --Daviessimo (talk) 08:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
High speed internet release in East-Africa
- Support, but the article needs to be updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - it seems like a pretty large scale system. Does it still need an update? --Daviessimo (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've made an update to the article so it should be ready to post now --Daviessimo (talk) 21:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - it seems like a pretty large scale system. Does it still need an update? --Daviessimo (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Kim Dae-jung
Former President of South Korea and a Nobel prize winner Kim Dae-jung is in critical condition. [15] Let's keep an eye. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support and we must wait his death then will be put on ITN - talk) 09:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)]
He has been called in to defend himself in case aganist November 3 emergency.yousaf465'
- Ferry collision
One ferry with 1,500 passengers rammed a smaller ferry in Nynäshamn, Sweden. Many people inured but no reported deaths yet. [16][17][18][19][20][21][22] —Krm500 (Communicate!) 10:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Without any deaths I'm going to have to oppose. Its not uncommon for ships to hit one another in bad weather --Daviessimo (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Obviously (and luckily), but when I posted it there were no reports on how big damage had been made. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 21:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
July 22
- The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague issues a decision on the borders of Abyei, a region subject to violent contention in Sudan. (BBC)
- The longest total solar eclipse of the 21st century takes place over parts of Asia and the Pacific Ocean. (ABC News Australia)
- The first H1N1 case is found in Canada, bringing the world total of such cases to five. (Sympatico MSN News Canada)[permanent dead link]
- Ireland's Council of State meets to consider two pieces of controversial legislation at Áras an Uachtaráin in Dublin. (RTÉ)
- U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warns that it could arm its allies in the Gulf and extend a "defense umbrella" over the region, if Iran goes nuclear. (Sky News)
- Georgiy R. Gongadze and implicates other high-ranking officials.(AFP)
ITN candidates for July 22
- Earthquake - Again
- New Zealand has moved 300mm closer to Australia.
- Is this significant? Cargoking talk 17:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- 300mm lol. well i guess it could save gas somehow. help reduce global warming... but seriously speaking if it somehow moved 3km then it would be a little more significant Ashish-g55 (talk) 17:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Abyei
The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague issues a decision on the borders of Abyei, a region subject to violent contention in Sudan. (BBC)
- The decision appears to be significant, but the article Abyei has a POV tag. I would appreciate if anyone could resolve the issue so we could have the item on ITN. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Jupiter impact
- Can we change Jupiter event to ]
- The article is too short at the moment. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is it okay now? -SusanLesch (talk) 04:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
July 21
- House of Representatives, setting the stage for a general election on August 30. (Xinhua)
- Shoemaker-Levy 9 on July 16–22, 1994. (New Scientist)
- Foreign Minister Miguel Ángel Moratinos becomes the first Spanish government official to visit Gibraltar in 300 years. (The New York Times)
ITN candidates for July 21
- Support. Can you please update Jupiter#Ground-based telescope research? The section mentions Shoemaker-Levy's impact, you could add the latest impact there. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Done. Rudimentarily, at least. --bender235 (talk) 13:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just one sentence? Please, it has to be at least a paragraph. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not exactly an expert on this topic, so I'm kinda hesitating to add more information. BTW: The Shoemaker-Levy 9 impact has only two sentences as well. --bender235 (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just one sentence? Please, it has to be at least a paragraph. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Done. Rudimentarily, at least. --bender235 (talk) 13:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I know this is up for July 22. but since the eclipse is going to start a little before 22nd with totality being 2 hours in according to UTC, i suggest putting this up earlier so ppl know about it. It is not really Crystal balling since it is an eclipse and it will happen lol. plus 22nd will start earlier in nations that will actually see the eclipse. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just to elaborate. the reason why i want this to go up early is because the noteworthy part is the fact that its the longest eclipse for the century. and putting this item after it has happened is fairly useless since then its just an eclipse that took place... its mainly noteworthy before it takes place so people know about it and can go watch it. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- The longest total solar eclipse of the 21st century, takes place over the Pacific Ocean. Cargoking talk 15:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- How about adding asia. since its over many countries too. so something like... The longest total solar eclipse of the 21st century, takes place over parts of Asia and the Pacific Ocean. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
But it is only visible in some parts of Asia. Can you refine your wording a bit? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Japan
Don't we usually feature such news on ITN? --Tone 12:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
July 20
- Ajmal Kasab, the only surviving gunman in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, pleads guilty in an Indian court, ending months of denials. (Associated Press) (The Times of India)
- Wildfires force thousands of residents to flee in the Okanagan, western Canada. (AFP) (Toronto Star)
- India and the United States sign a defence pact. (BBC)
- 260 cars pile up in Germany. (News 24)
- carbon neutral country by 2020. (Telegraph)
ITN candidates for July 20
- Worst car accident in Germany's history
- A 260-car pile-up on a German motorway. [23] This must have broken some record, even if the police's claim that it is the worst in their history is not true. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes 10 deaths, I want to support, but must be create an article. talk) 16:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)]
- At least 36 people in Orissa and 13 people in Kerala states are killed as a result of monsoon floods in India.
-- Tinu Cherian - 09:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- Can i suggest that we start a 2009 Monsoon article and merge the 2009 India floods and the 2009 Karachi floods into it since theirs going to be a lot more deaths to come from the monsoon. Jason Rees (talk) 09:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would suggest keeping it seperate for geographical reasons. -- Tinu Cherian - 10:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- I agree, no need to merge.yousaf465'
- Australian cricket team in England in 2009
- England Wins an Ashes Test at Lord's since 1934.
-- It's after a gap of 75 years at the home of cricket.yousaf465'
July 19
- Ten policemen are arrested in Michoacán, Mexico, in connection with the murder of 12 federal police whose bodies were found piled next to a road. (France 24)[permanent dead link]
- 26 people are killed through electrocution, drowning and collapsing roofs in Karachi, Pakistan. (RTÉ) (Reuters) (The Times of India)
- A preserved barracks in the Jews and others on their way to concentration camps, known to have been occupied at one point by Anne Frank, is destroyed by fire. (France 24)
- The last ensuing street protests is released. (Sky News)
- Giant jellyfish wreak havoc around the Sea of Japan. (CNN)
- FIA Formula Two Championship supporting the WTCC.
ITN candidates for July 19
- British Open
- In playoff over Tom Watson.
- It's important to mention Watson, since he's 59 years old and shocked everyone by nearly winning. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- This item is on WP:ITNR, as one of the four golf majors, so it needs to be put up ASAP. It has a referenced prose update so there shouldn't be an issue --Daviessimo (talk) 08:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)]
- This item is on
- It's important to mention Watson, since he's 59 years old and shocked everyone by nearly winning. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Afganistan helicopter
- Nobody knows about that? .. I think it's important. --talk) 17:09, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Oh I know about it, it was just that the words "Afghanistan" and "helicopter" no longer excite me when mixed with a few deaths... is it particularly unusual? --•wicke 17:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- 16 civilians killed in the latest in a string of deadly aircraft crashes in the country (per cite) Should we create an article ? talk) 17:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- 16 civilians killed in the latest in a string of deadly aircraft crashes in the country (per cite) Should we create an article ?
- Oh I know about it, it was just that the words "Afghanistan" and "helicopter" no longer excite me when mixed with a few deaths... is it particularly unusual? --
- 2009 Karachi floods
- I have begun an article. --•wicke 15:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Suggested wording: At least 26 people are killed and at least
60150 people are injured as a result of•wicke 15:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]- Can you expand it just a little further? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I will check again. The information is somewhat limited and being repeated by the same sources; even the BBC article is very short. --•wicke 16:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Make that 150 injured but I have to add this to the article. --•wicke 16:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Make that 150 injured but I have to add this to the article. --
- OK, I will check again. The information is somewhat limited and being repeated by the same sources; even the BBC article is very short. --
- Can you expand it just a little further? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Suggested wording: At least 26 people are killed and at least
- light-welterweight World Championship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MickMacNee (talk • contribs)
- Is this big? --•wicke 23:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I mean what makes it different from •wicke 23:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Or the other three world championships for the same weight, for that matter. Algebraist 23:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111MickMacNee (talk) 00:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Or the other three world championships for the same weight, for that matter. Algebraist 23:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I mean what makes it different from
OpposeNot significant ITN.yousaf465'
- LRO Moon Images
Ok this item is definitely not ur normal ITN but i find it very interesting. First time ever pictures were taken of Lunar landing sites on moon. BBC. This will interest all the people who believe in
- Cough, cough–funny how it was a US spacecraft which "captured" these images. ;) --•wicke 02:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- "The release of the images coincides with the 40th anniversary of the first manned mission to land on the Moon." Hmmm... something fishy about all this... it's almost like they got released on purpose... --•wicke 02:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- lol i know. the hoax ppl will say they were doctored. but come on its NASA... i dont wanna lose my trust in everything out there. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oh you're probably right but if I found it that easy to question their validity I doubt the real hardcore conspiracy theorists will bat an eyelid at them... --•wicke 02:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- nonetheless ppl will be interested in looking at these images as a proof that landings did take place. theorists can deny anything... its just called being in denial after these pics Ashishg55 (talk) 04:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- i think its good "encyclopedic" news ;) Ashish-g55 (talk) 04:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Makes a change from all the deaths... --•wicke 15:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- ok so the lunar landing 40th anniversary is tomorrow. it would make great news item. i am not sure how much is being covered by OTD. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Makes a change from all the deaths... --
- i think its good "encyclopedic" news ;) Ashish-g55 (talk) 04:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- nonetheless ppl will be interested in looking at these images as a proof that landings did take place. theorists can deny anything... its just called being in denial after these pics Ashishg55 (talk) 04:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - 40th anniversary of the biggest fake in the world history - moon landing - not for ITN --talk) 16:39, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- See? :D Not everyone is convinced by the new evidence... oh well... back to death and misery... --•wicke 16:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- See? :D Not everyone is convinced by the new evidence... oh well... back to death and misery... --
- Oh you're probably right but if I found it that easy to question their validity I doubt the real hardcore conspiracy theorists will bat an eyelid at them... --
- An intention that has been stated publicly several times as a mission of LRO. Still, this does not rise to the level of notability. And some conspiracy theorists will never be convinced no matter how much evidence is laid before them, despite the utter lack of concrete evidence to prove a conspiracy. See Talk : Contrib) 19:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- lol i know. the hoax ppl will say they were doctored. but come on its NASA... i dont wanna lose my trust in everything out there. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- "The release of the images coincides with the 40th anniversary of the first manned mission to land on the Moon." Hmmm... something fishy about all this... it's almost like they got released on purpose... --
- Missing US soldier appears on video
What about this? Do we have an article on him yet?
- Just a video? I don't think so... Isn't he still alive? Last time I nominated a slain captive and oppositions were overwhelming. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- This one isn't even dead yet... he might even get out alive... --•wicke 15:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- This one isn't even dead yet... he might even get out alive... --
July 18
- Last surviving Battle of Jutland veteran and last surviving founder member of the Royal Air Force Henry Allingham dies at the age of 113. At the time of his death he was the oldest living man in the world. (BBC) (AFP) (RTÉ)
- Ireland's Green Party, part of the ruling coalition, votes by a two to one majority to campaign for the Treaty of Lisbon prior to the 2 October referendum. (France 24)[permanent dead link]
- Three people are missing in Nachterstedt, Germany, after their home collapses into a lake. (Deutsche Welle)
- Voters in presidential election, its first election since the coup d'état last year. (Al Jazeera) (BBC) (Xinhua)
- kunafa. (BBC)
- A woman is killed and two people are seriously injured in an accident involving a motorcycle on the Tour de France in France, the race's first fatal accident since 2002. (BBC) (RTÉ)
- The Justice and Equality Movement releases sixty prisoners in Kutum, Darfur. (BBC)
- Brazil demands the return of over 1,400 tonnes of hazardous British waste. (BBC) (The Independent) (The Times)
- Over 100 swine flu. (BBC)
- Forty-seven people are injured in a
- Jean Eyeghe Ndong launches his presidential campaign. (France 24) (Reuters)
ITN candidates for July 18
- New Gabonese PM
- Support when ready. --•wicke 22:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Should be fine now (I think). --•wicke 03:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Posting soon. But I assume he actually became PM, not only appointed. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, sworn in Saturday. --•wicke 03:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Yes, sworn in Saturday. --
- Posting soon. But I assume he actually became PM, not only appointed. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Should be fine now (I think). --
- Death of Maria del Carmen Bousada de Lara
Since we're on the subject... world's oldest man/oldest mother? Not much difference really (if it's not too late). She was from Spain and this has been reported in the UK, US, Canada, Ireland, India. There has been continuing coverage and comment on ABC, in The Times, Calgary Herald and several others. Other countries and languages such as this, this and this mention her name this week as well. Seems to have as much coverage (if not more) as the Russian and some more than the American so I thought she deserved a nomination. --
- Oppose as stated below, we aren't Guiness Book of World Records. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Death of Henry Allingham
It's important or not?
- He has already been on ITN, in last April. Do we really need to feature him twice? --BorgQueen (talk) 13:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes - talk) 14:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Why? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Because he has died. - talk) 14:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- And because he was the world's (verifiably) oldest man! PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 14:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I know he has died, but as I said, he has already been on ITN, in last April. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Perhap Walter Breuning should be featured then, as he is now the world's oldest living man? PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, that's it! Can you update the article please? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:19, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm trying, but it is proving difficult. Most of the news articles just have a single sentence mentioning Breuning. I'll keep looking, though. Nominate! 16:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- When was Allingham listed last time? He wasn't listed when he took over the title in June? --Daviessimo (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm trying, but it is proving difficult. Most of the news articles just have a single sentence mentioning Breuning. I'll keep looking, though.
- Yes, that's it! Can you update the article please? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:19, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Perhap Walter Breuning should be featured then, as he is now the world's oldest living man? PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I know he has died, but as I said, he has already been on ITN, in last April. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- And because he was the world's (verifiably) oldest man! PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 14:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Because he has died. -
- Why? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes -
- Oppose. The world's oldest person is usually quite old, so is dying all the time. There is nothing extraordinary about it, so it is not ITN-worthy. We are not the Guinness Book of Records :). Thue | talk 17:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, I'm not sure what the Japanese guy did but Allingham seems to be the "last surviving •wicke 19:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Still oppose. I just don't feel that "last person alive who did X dies" is ITN news. So now you have 2 half stories: 1) oldest man dies 2) ww1 veteran dies. In this case I don't think 2 half stories sums up to one ITN-worthy story; IMO ITN math doesn't work that way :). Thue | talk 20:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- 'Oppose Looking at Oldest people and the accompanying pages, they gain the title and die a few months later. We could have three or four of these up per year! Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Still oppose. I just don't feel that "last person alive who did X dies" is ITN news. So now you have 2 half stories: 1) oldest man dies 2) ww1 veteran dies. In this case I don't think 2 half stories sums up to one ITN-worthy story; IMO ITN math doesn't work that way :). Thue | talk 20:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, I'm not sure what the Japanese guy did but Allingham seems to be the "last surviving
- Nevertheless this isnt just any old guy, last surviving soldier of the great war and last founding member of the royal air force. certainly did a lot more valuable things for the world than michael jackson ever did, yet we gave him a mention. so i support --Thanks, Hadseys 23:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Mauritania elections
These elections were originally scheduled for 6 June but have been postponed for today. The opposition had boycotted them but will now contest the election. They will be the first since a military coup in 2008 and coup-leader,
]- I've added section headers, and a whole new section on the election day. I'm going to be on holiday this upcoming week, so all the article needs right now is the results table. (I will likely not be able to update that, as I will have no computer access). Nominate! 16:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Death of Natalia Estemirova
Actually (in my opinion) this might be a better candidate. "In 2007 she was awarded the inaugural Anna Politkovskaya Prize, and had also received awards from the Swedish and European parliaments" "Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has paid tribute to human rights activist Natalia Estemirova, whose murder has caused international concern." Obama has paid tribute to Cronkite but the Kremlin has to Estemirova... coverage from Sydney to San Francisco over the past few days... and she wasn't old either, i.e. wasn't expected to drop dead at any moment... --
- Support if there is an article. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Thue | talk 17:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think the article has been sufficiently updated—there's even a "response" section to go with "assassination". --•wicke 22:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- The body of •wicke 22:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Support Estemirova is the latest in a string of anti-Kremlin murders. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- The body of
- I think the article has been sufficiently updated—there's even a "response" section to go with "assassination". --
- Death of Leszek Kołakowski
What about this guy? Is he another "possible
- Article too short at this point. Nominate! 14:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Oppose The article is too short and I don't know if anyone knows who he is anymore. When most people think of the great anti-Communist Pole, Wałęsa comes to mind. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- How do you calculate that though? I am sure there are some minds into which Wałęsa wouldn't even enter. If a person is opposed because people mightn't know who they are–well, there would be several scientists, philosophers, poets, etc. who may have achieved but whose names may not be instantly recognisable to many people. --•wicke 22:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- How do you calculate that though? I am sure there are some minds into which Wałęsa wouldn't even enter. If a person is opposed because people mightn't know who they are–well, there would be several scientists, philosophers, poets, etc. who may have achieved but whose names may not be instantly recognisable to many people. --
- Oppose The article is too short and I don't know if anyone knows who he is anymore. When most people think of the great anti-Communist Pole, Wałęsa comes to mind. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Death of Walter Cronkite
Possible
- Oppose, unless you point out something international (I see a lot of US stuff) about this guy he means the same to me as the Indian singer who also died for the sake of consistency. I mean, he's even an old man–she was an old woman. --•wicke 00:55, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
Comment: The first paragraph (if it all true) of
- Sorry, butting in again (I just noticed) but is there a reason why Quebec has no interest in him? --•wicke 01:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Cronkite seems, IMO, to be much more notable than the Indian singer or McDonald. He has a school named after him (Nominate! 01:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- With all due respect to Walter Cronkite, living in Australia, I did not know this presenter at all. He was obviously a television icon across the USA, but I still do believe that it should be covered as a story for ITN due to his great work for the television media industry. — JamesR ≈talk≈ 01:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think that's what I meant too. I was thinking of the problems that would be presented when each country's decades long media or broadcasting icon dies and somebody nominates. That's why I mentioned McDonald or, for another example, how about •wicke 01:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Support if there is an article. Maybe so American because he was of the TV age, not so much the Internet age. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think that's what I meant too. I was thinking of the problems that would be presented when each country's decades long media or broadcasting icon dies and somebody nominates. That's why I mentioned McDonald or, for another example, how about
- With all due respect to Walter Cronkite, living in Australia, I did not know this presenter at all. He was obviously a television icon across the USA, but I still do believe that it should be covered as a story for ITN due to his great work for the television media industry. — JamesR ≈talk≈ 01:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Cronkite seems, IMO, to be much more notable than the Indian singer or McDonald. He has a school named after him (
- Sorry, butting in again (I just noticed) but is there a reason why Quebec has no interest in him? --
- If we are going to WP:IAR, I'd like to nominate my next door neighbour who broke the club record by scoring 11 under last sunday :). Back on topic, I think we need to be realistic with what constitutes a notable death. IMHO, there should be only three types of person listed:
- globally famous and widely known for what they do (e.g. Michael Jackson; David Beckam; Tiger Woods; etc)
- globally famous for what they have done or achieved/invented (e.g. Bill Gates; Tim Berners-Lee; Neil Armstrong etc)
- former heads of state (e.g: Margaret Thatcher; Nelson Mandela etc)
- None of today's candidates meet any of these criteria, although there is an argument that Leszek Kołakowski is globally known in his field (political science) for his achievements --Daviessimo (talk) 08:46, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, Cronkite is listed at Nominate! 14:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Like what the hell is Dennis Rodman doing that list anyway?! –Howard the Duck 14:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- In addition, where is this natural deaths thing coming from? Nominate! 14:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- The old standard is that the death MUST be unexpected.
- With that said, American (and other countries') TV news personalities aren't that well known elsewhere. I'd argue differently for actors and actresses but this one's too narrow. –Howard the Duck 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- What is the "old standard"? Howard Kurtz for the Washington Post wrote, "Cronkite's passing, in the end, is the passing of an era, an era of black-and-white television, of mass audiences, of a slower time when the country waited for the headlines at 6:30 in the evening. No anchor -- no journalist -- will ever wield that authority again." -SusanLesch (talk) 16:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Old standard here. Algebraist 16:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Very good. Thank you, Algebraist. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Old standard
- What is the "old standard"? Howard Kurtz for the Washington Post wrote, "Cronkite's passing, in the end, is the passing of an era, an era of black-and-white television, of mass audiences, of a slower time when the country waited for the headlines at 6:30 in the evening. No anchor -- no journalist -- will ever wield that authority again." -SusanLesch (talk) 16:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- In addition, where is this natural deaths thing coming from?
- Like what the hell is Dennis Rodman doing that list anyway?! –Howard the Duck 14:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, Cronkite is listed at
- Heck, if this were "I get to collect more countries" contest, I'd still lose, but maybe I'll place in the top 5 or somewhere within that range: Turkey, Singapore, Venezuela, Ireland, Morocco, Australia. All 6 populated continents in there. –Howard the Duck 17:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Can I just point out that WP has a deaths page already, so just because its reported across the world doesn't necessarily mean it should go up (I expect Allingham will have been reported across the world). The simple fact is that, although he may have been highly regarded in the US, internationally he was not held in the same regard as say, Michael Jackson. --Daviessimo (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I probably know that, but I was balancing this with an Irish TV newscaster being covered by a British news outlet (think of it as the Super Bowl being covered in Canada) and the like comments here and on other discussions above. –Howard the Duck 17:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Daviessimo, Cronkite with Edward R. Murrow was, according to Bob Schieffer, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived. I'm sorry but Michael Jackson wasn't in his class. But I don't argue because Cronkite doesn't meet the old standard. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I read that as "American journalist A, along with American journalist B, was, according to American journalist C, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived"? So will "Australian journalist A" also feature because, along with "Australian journalist B", they are, according to "Australian journalist C" the greatest ever? Will "Indian journalist A" also feature because, along with "Indian journalist B", they are, according to "Indian journalist C" the greatest ever? Will "Chinese journalist A" also feature because, along with "Chinese journalist B", they are, according to "Chinese journalist C" the greatest ever? And so on... I would argue that Michael Jackson (liked or loathed) provoked a much greater international reaction than any recent death I can think of. --•wicke 19:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Oppose God, there's so much death. I was leaning toward support on this based on the fact that very few people are known by everyone like Michael Jackson, and several people have been on ITN before with even less worldwide recognition than Cronkite. That being said, I stick to the precedent of putting up unexpected deaths. Cronkite was ninety-two... Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I read that as "American journalist A, along with American journalist B, was, according to American journalist C, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived"? So will "Australian journalist A" also feature because, along with "Australian journalist B", they are, according to "Australian journalist C" the greatest ever? Will "Indian journalist A" also feature because, along with "Indian journalist B", they are, according to "Indian journalist C" the greatest ever? Will "Chinese journalist A" also feature because, along with "Chinese journalist B", they are, according to "Chinese journalist C" the greatest ever? And so on... I would argue that Michael Jackson (liked or loathed) provoked a much greater international reaction than any recent death I can think of. --
- Daviessimo, Cronkite with Edward R. Murrow was, according to Bob Schieffer, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived. I'm sorry but Michael Jackson wasn't in his class. But I don't argue because Cronkite doesn't meet the old standard. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I probably know that, but I was balancing this with an Irish TV newscaster being covered by a British news outlet (think of it as the Super Bowl being covered in Canada) and the like comments here and on other discussions above. –Howard the Duck 17:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Can I just point out that WP has a deaths page already, so just because its reported across the world doesn't necessarily mean it should go up (I expect Allingham will have been reported across the world). The simple fact is that, although he may have been highly regarded in the US, internationally he was not held in the same regard as say, Michael Jackson. --Daviessimo (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose he did nothing else besides dying! Nergaal (talk) 22:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)]
July 17
- Footage of
- Timothy Kirkhope MEP defends alleged homophobic remarks made by European Conservatives and Reformists' leader Michał Kamiński in a television interview. (BBC)
- Benedict XVI slips in the bath in his mountain chalet and is treated for a fractured wrist in Aosta, Italy. (BBC) (The Guardian) (The Irish Times) (RTÉ) (The Telegraph)
- A second person dies from the collapse of a stage being built in
- Irish President Mary McAleese announces her intention to convene a meeting of the Council of State on 22 July. (The Irish Times)
- Brazil complains of 64 containers with over 1,400 tonnes of British used condoms, syringes and rotting nappies located in three of the country's ports. (BBC) (The Guardian) (Sky News)
- Two journalists from South Africa and the United Kingdom are due in court after being allegedly attacked and then arrested while filming seal hunters in Namibia. (BBC)
- Hong Kong appoints a new chief executive of the Hong Kong Monetary Authority. (SCMP)
- Ruslan Balayev, Ingushetia's minister for sport, is shot dead in his car. (The Irish Times)
- Ghana is set to receive a US$600 million three-year loan from the International Monetary Fund. (BBC) (Reuters)
- The World Bank approves a US$76 million loan for Mozambique. (Reuters Africa)
- An argument between the
- Ritz-Carlton Hotels in Jakarta, Indonesia, kill at least nine people and injure at least 50 others. (AP) (Herald Sun) (Reuters) (The Times)
- Former
- At least 14 people, including 11
- 22 prominent figures, including Poland's Lech Wałęsa and the Czech Republic's Václav Havel, warn in an open letter to the Barack Obama administration against developing closer ties with Russia. (The New York Times)
- BBC staff's expenses claims are revealed to include candles, flowers, champagne and a hamper. (The Daily Telegraph)
- 49 members of a Sicilian Mafia syndicate are jailed in Italy in what the government describes as a landmark case. (BBC)
ITN candidates for July 17
- European Iceland
Iceland formally submits an application in Sweden to join the European Union a day after it is supported by the parliament. [24] Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- It was nominated yesterday and has already been put up :) --Daviessimo (talk) 22:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- The parliamentary vote was put up. The blurb needs to be revised to reflect the actual application. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Wait, aren't we supposed to wait for a referendum for their admission or something like that? We had LOTS of waiting done for the element, so we should also apply the same thing here. –Howard the Duck 14:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- According to the article: "... a proposal by the Independence Party to hold a referendum on the membership application as well was defeated with 32 to 30 and one abstention..." --BorgQueen (talk) 14:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- So they will apply for membership, but they can't be a member unless they win a referendum, right? So why is this here?! –Howard the Duck 15:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- The application begins the ascension process with the EU: most likely SAAs and the completion of the acquis chapters. The reason we aren't (and shouldn't) wait is that "the entire process, from application for membership to membership has typically taken about a decade". Many expect Iceland to breeze through in front of Croatia (expected to join 2011) due to the former's membership in the EAA and Schengen aligning most of its laws with the EU already. However, this is still at least a two year wait without including the stumbling blocks with debt, whaling and fishing it will be sure to face. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, the referendum is to be held after that and the opinions currently seem to be swaying toward a pass. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:03, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- So they will apply for membership, but they can't be a member unless they win a referendum, right? So why is this here?! –Howard the Duck 15:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- According to the article: "... a proposal by the Independence Party to hold a referendum on the membership application as well was defeated with 32 to 30 and one abstention..." --BorgQueen (talk) 14:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- 49 jailed in Sicily
"The government says the case is a landmark in the ongoing battle against organised crime in southern Italy." --
- Egypt bus crash
At least 14 people, including 11 Serbian tourists, are killed and at least 10 tourists are injured in a bus collision with a lorry on a road near
- Support if you can find enough information to make a decent article. --•wicke 20:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I would personally support, but everytime we list a bus crash it seems to immediately get slated at talk:Main Page --Daviessimo (talk) 21:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- We don't list them that often though and Serbia/Egypt?... --•wicke 21:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I think it is more to do with the fact that car/bus/lorry crashes are so common across the world, whereas plane/train/boat accidents are much less frequent. If you look at List of road accidents 2000–2009, 14 dead is actually not that big for a road accident --Daviessimo (talk) 21:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I think it is more to do with the fact that car/bus/lorry crashes are so common across the world, whereas plane/train/boat accidents are much less frequent. If you look at
- We don't list them that often though and Serbia/Egypt?... --
- I would personally support, but everytime we list a bus crash it seems to immediately get slated at talk:Main Page --Daviessimo (talk) 21:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Death of D. K. Pattammal
Perhaps someone from India may know if this is significant enough for ITN? --
- I doubt it. She died of natural causes after a long life to begin with. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- To be honest, when someone dies at that age, I think they have to be globally famous to get on ITN --Daviessimo (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- I do not know her and thus did not wish to comment on how globally famous she may or may not be. --•wicke 17:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- The article should be in pretty decent condition, and the "more refs needed" tag at the top isn't helping that, say nothing about ITN notability, which, IMO, is rather shaky. I'd prefer a little more global notability. Nominate! 20:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I did not know her either. i think she was only famous in south india 22:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- The article should be in pretty decent condition, and the "more refs needed" tag at the top isn't helping that, say nothing about ITN notability, which, IMO, is rather shaky. I'd prefer a little more global notability.
- I do not know her and thus did not wish to comment on how globally famous she may or may not be. --
- To be honest, when someone dies at that age, I think they have to be globally famous to get on ITN --Daviessimo (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I know I'm talking to myself but here is just what we need. I have been waiting several minutes for an online source to become available and here it is. Need more for an article though and there doesn't appear to be any confirmed deaths but since there are two bombs scenes... --
- Shouldn't we wait until the article has more than one sentence? This is a developing story. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- It didn't exist at all when I nominated it so I haven't seen if it has one sentence... I presume the passing admin will have some common sense and wait until its ready at any rate? 4 dead, says BBC TV now using Reuters. So we have death and misery... --•wicke 01:49, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Since these days only these events seem to be posted on ITN, why don't we rename the section from ITN to "Political events and random people dying?" This title would cover 95.3% of the news posted in the last month. Nergaal (talk) 01:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I suppose that is another oppose. Oh well. I'm trying. :) --•wicke 02:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- 6 dead now say Reuters. Apparently they're all "foreigners" as well... the body count is increasing... --•wicke 02:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- So I guess that is a vote for renaming ITN to "let's see how random people have died lately". Nergaal (talk) 02:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Death is not new... it will pursue us all some day... --•wicke 02:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- i came here to nominate the bombings. seems like its been taken care of. well full support here. this is not random ppl dying btw. these are coordinated attacks at 2 different places in jakarta. Expect this to be covered heavily and internationally. already front news on TorStar Ashishg55 (talk) 02:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- It definitely meets the interest criterion. The issue is whether it meets the criterion of being a good example of recently updated Wikipedia content. Currently, the article is only two sentences, so it needs to be flushed out a bit more before we post it on ITN, IMO. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:10, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- It is now being rapidly expanded by myself and some others. --•wicke 04:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- It is now being rapidly expanded by myself and some others. --
- It definitely meets the interest criterion. The issue is whether it meets the criterion of being a good example of recently updated Wikipedia content. Currently, the article is only two sentences, so it needs to be flushed out a bit more before we post it on ITN, IMO. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:10, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- i came here to nominate the bombings. seems like its been taken care of. well full support here. this is not random ppl dying btw. these are coordinated attacks at 2 different places in jakarta. Expect this to be covered heavily and internationally. already front news on TorStar Ashishg55 (talk) 02:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Death is not new... it will pursue us all some day... --
- So I guess that is a vote for renaming ITN to "let's see how random people have died lately".
- 6 dead now say Reuters. Apparently they're all "foreigners" as well... the body count is increasing... --
- I suppose that is another oppose. Oh well. I'm trying. :) --
- Since these days only these events seem to be posted on ITN, why don't we rename the section from ITN to "Political events and random people dying?" This title would cover 95.3% of the news posted in the last month.
- It didn't exist at all when I nominated it so I haven't seen if it has one sentence... I presume the passing admin will have some common sense and wait until its ready at any rate? 4 dead, says BBC TV now using Reuters. So we have death and misery... --
- Three •wicke 04:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Two bomb attacks, at two major international hotels, with international casualities. I don't think many people can suggest this isn't notable --Daviessimo (talk) 07:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Endeavour/ISS docking
The shuttle docks with the station, marking the first time 13 people have been in orbit aboard the same facility. This also ties the record for the most people in space at once (the last time, they didn't meet up). As the shuttle's launch didn't get posted (see below), this would be a significant item. Radagast (talk) 23:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
July 16
- A Ugandan study finds circumcising men who already have HIV does not protect their female partners from the virus. (BBC)
- A United Nations Security Council committee imposes further sanctions on North Korea. (BBC) (Xinhua) (Japan Today)
- GDP grows 7.9% year by year in the second quarter of 2009, despite the global economic crisis. (Xinhua) (China Daily) (BBC)
- Gholam Reza Aghazadeh, head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran and Vice President of Iran, resigns for unknown reasons. (ISNA) (BBC) (Jerusalem Post) (Xinhua)
- Former South Korean President and Nobel Peace Prize winner Kim Dae-jung is in an intensive care unit in a Seoul hospital being treated for pneumonia. (Yonhap) (BBC)
- President Kurbanguly Berdymukhamedov of Turkmenistan announces the latest stage of a plan to channel drainage water from the country's cotton fields through desert. (BBC)
- application to join the European Union, after five days of debate. (Al Jazeera) (BBC) (The Independent) (The Telegraph)
- The Holy See acknowledges Oscar Wilde as a "lucid analyst of the modern world", softening its hardline stance against the poet. (The Daily Telegraph) (The Guardian)
- Interim
- presidential candidate in Gabon. (BBC)
- Chinese athletes withdraw from the opening ceremony of the World Games but say they will compete. (BBC)
- A magnitude 6.1 earthquake occurs off the coast of Papua New Guinea but causes little damage. (RTÉ)
- The 110-story
- The black boxes from crashed Caspian Airlines Flight 7908 in Iran are recovered. (Bernama) (Press TV) (Press Association)
- Zac Sunderland, at the age of 17, becomes the youngest person to sail around the world alone. (BBC)
- Madonna's concert in Marseille, France is cancelled after her stage collapses, killing one and injuring nine. (AFP) (BBC) (Boston Globe) (CBC) (Japan Today) (MSNBC) (Pravda) (The Telegraph)
ITN candidates for July 16
- Accession of Iceland to the European Union
Does anyone else think this "all but unthinkable prospect until the global financial crisis wrecked the island's economy" is significant? --
- The Parliament voted to begin membership talks; there's still a ways to go before Iceland becomes an EU member. But I'm not opposed to including this so long as the blurb clearly indicates what's happening. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- I was focusing on the fact that Iceland generally intended to remain out of the EU but now look what has happened. --•wicke 01:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- The PM said: "This is probably the most historic vote in the history of our parliament, since the founding of the republic." (Independent) --•wicke 01:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- The PM said: "This is probably the most historic vote in the history of our parliament, since the founding of the republic." (Independent) --
- I was focusing on the fact that Iceland generally intended to remain out of the EU but now look what has happened. --
- <- Question - are we definitely using the Anglicised name for the parliament? says no to drama 09:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Given that the Icelandic name has characters that would not be recognised or understood by English speakers, I don't think we can. Per WP:NAME I think the rule is to use the spelling most commonly used in English, which in this case will be Althing rather than Alþingi --Daviessimo (talk) 09:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- That being said, the BBC are using the alternative anglicised spelling of Althingi. Maybe this is a good compromise as it maintains the i at the end from the Icelandic spelling, but replaces the þ, with its Latin alphabet equivilant, th. --Daviessimo (talk) 09:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- I say leave as is, as "Althing" is the title of the article, not the special text. (I don't know if this is for technical reasons, though). Nominate! 20:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I say leave as is, as "Althing" is the title of the article, not the special text. (I don't know if this is for technical reasons, though).
- That being said, the BBC are using the alternative anglicised spelling of Althingi. Maybe this is a good compromise as it maintains the i at the end from the Icelandic spelling, but replaces the þ, with its Latin alphabet equivilant, th. --Daviessimo (talk) 09:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Given that the Icelandic name has characters that would not be recognised or understood by English speakers, I don't think we can. Per
- Madonna's stage collapse
After some thought and reading I will nominate this too since there is stress due to the lack of ITNs. I will argue that this is receiving international coverage outside France. So far we have one death, two serious injuries and other injuries as well. Those involved are from several countries, including UK, US, France and the Comoros. Perhaps someone else may see something more significant than all of this. There does not appear to be very much happening at the moment... --
- I don't see why not. ITN need not be high-brow. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Candle: are you kidding? You are against putting the naming/official recognition of a chemical element and nominate instead one person dying in a work-related accident????? What is wrong with ITN lately? Nergaal (talk) 01:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Lately? I was trying to give the best variety of what is available; they will only be posted if others agree (at least I think that's how it works). I just thought the element hadn't been officially confirmed yet. I don't think Madonna is necessary anymore post-Jakarta but if anyone wants to pursue it... --•wicke 02:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Lately? I was trying to give the best variety of what is available; they will only be posted if others agree (at least I think that's how it works). I just thought the element hadn't been officially confirmed yet. I don't think Madonna is necessary anymore post-Jakarta but if anyone wants to pursue it... --
- Zac Sunderland
Is he just a statistic or something meaningful? --
- The Zac Sunderland article needs some cleaning up. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Meaningful about what? That kids are given bigger and bigger toys to play with?
- Copernicium (formally Unumbium) again...
This came up a couple of week ago, when a new element (then known as
- Leaning towards support. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Looking at Talk:Ununbium, there seems to be some discussion about how official the name is and the article has been move-protected. I don't think we should talk about Copernicium on the main page until the article is actually there ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would say wait as well. --•wicke 17:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Having looked over the discussion there, I'm thinking it may be better to wait. When it is officially named, we can alter the blurb accordingly putting the emphasis on the naming, whilst still mentioning the discovery (something like the newly discovered element X is officially named Copernicium). At the end of the day, the discovery of a new elemant is not common so waiting is not going to hurt it. --Daviessimo (talk) 17:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Why not wait until they discover and name another 20 new elements? I guess it is more important to put on the main page that the new prime minister of [insert name of a tiny country here] which is chosen for ~4 years! But if an element gets discovered, officially recognized, named and then the name is fully recognized, let's wait 4 more years because the element will be discovered, recognized, named, and then accepted AGAIN in 4 more years. They won't hapen only once in the history of mankind. Isn't it? Nergaal (talk) 00:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Sorry, I can't make sense of the last two sentences... --•wicke 00:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Sorry, I can't make sense of the last two sentences... --
- re my last two sentences: I guess sarcasm doesn't read well. Nergaal (talk) 01:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Why not wait until they discover and name another 20 new elements? I guess it is more important to put on the main page that the new prime minister of [insert name of a tiny country here] which is chosen for ~4 years! But if an element gets discovered, officially recognized, named and then the name is fully recognized, let's wait 4 more years because the element will be discovered, recognized, named, and then accepted AGAIN in 4 more years. They won't hapen only once in the history of mankind. Isn't it?
- Having looked over the discussion there, I'm thinking it may be better to wait. When it is officially named, we can alter the blurb accordingly putting the emphasis on the naming, whilst still mentioning the discovery (something like the newly discovered element X is officially named Copernicium). At the end of the day, the discovery of a new elemant is not common so waiting is not going to hurt it. --Daviessimo (talk) 17:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would say wait as well. --
- Looking at Talk:Ununbium, there seems to be some discussion about how official the name is and the article has been move-protected. I don't think we should talk about Copernicium on the main page until the article is actually there ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
July 15
- The Episcopal Church of the United States votes to overturn a three-year ban on the appointment of gay bishops. (BBC)
- The Catholic Church praises Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince after previously accusing the books of promoting witchcraft and the occult. (Irish Independent)
- Caspian Airlines Flight 7908, flying from Tehran to Yerevan, Armenia with 153 passengers and 15 crew members on board, crashes in Iran shortly after takeoff. (BBC) (Press TV)
- A 7.6-magnitude earthquake strikes off South Island, New Zealand, generating brief fears of a small tsunami. (Associated Press) (New Zealand Herald) (RTÉ) (USGS)
- China's foreign exchange reserves have reached a record of US$ 2.13 trillion, which is more than twice the size of Japan's—the second-biggest holder. (BBC) (Xinhua)
- Maria del Carmen Bousada de Lara, the world's oldest new mother, is announced to have died of cancer aged 69, three years after giving birth. (BBC)
- Six people, including two traffic police, are killed and sixteen people are injured in a suicide attack in Anbar, Iraq. (RTÉ)
- A group of soldiers who took part in Israel's assault in Gaza say widespread abuses were committed against civilians under "permissive" rules of engagement. (BBC)
- Two people are killed and five are injured in the explosion at a
- Chansa Kabwela, editor of Zambia's biggest-selling newspaper The Post, is charged with distributing obscene materials relating to a health sector crisis. (BBC) (IOL)[permanent dead link] (Sowetan)[permanent dead link]
- The British government opts not to end the Common Travel Area between the United Kingdom and Ireland. (BBC) (RTÉ)
- Space Shuttle Endeavour launches on mission STS-127 to the International Space Station. (BBC)
ITN candidates for July 15
- China's foreign exchange reserves
- US$ 2.13 trillion, which is more than twice the size of Japan's - the second-biggest holder. - This is the first time ever this has been achieved. And an important signal for the global economy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.69.60.159 (talk • contribs)
- The update merely consists of numbers. It has to have some prose to qualify for ITN. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- There is now a decent article with prose. I think this is a unique piece of news that won't likely be repeated anytime soon. 76.69.60.159 (talk) 00:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Caspian Airlines Flight 7908
- Caspian Airlines Flight 7908, a scheduled commercial flight from Tehran, Iran, to Yerevan, Armenia, crashes shortly after takeoff with 168 people on board. (BBC) Is anyone going to create an article? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, we have Caspian Airlines Flight 7908 already. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- An magnitude of 7.8, occurs north west of Invercargill, New Zealand.
- Also, fears of possible tsunami in the area. Cargoking talk 12:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - a Tsunami has been confirmed by BOM Jason Rees (talk) 12:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- "a brief tsunami warning but no casualties or major damage {...} The Hawaii-based Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre said a low-level tsunami was generated near the epicentre, but later cancelled its warning, saying the waves did not pose a threat." Sounds like everyone got carried away amid media hype. --•wicke 15:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Carried away... tsunami... I love it :P weburiedourinthegarden 15:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Agh, that was totally unintentional... :-/ but thank you, I'll take a bow... and a wave... --•wicke 15:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Oppose - not for ITN - no damage, injuries or deaths... -- talk) 19:21, 15 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Oppose - not for ITN - no damage, injuries or deaths... --
- Agh, that was totally unintentional... :-/ but thank you, I'll take a bow... and a wave... --
- Carried away... tsunami... I love it :P weburiedour
- Launch of STS-127
- Manned spaceflight launch so highly notable, a delay to the launch was covered a couple of days ago, and it also meets W… 22:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Twice in quick succession? I don't know... --•wicke 23:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Frankly, I think the launch is far more significant than a delay. --W… 23:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I agree and I wasn't here when the delay was posted so I don't know the story (it seems to have just been posted for no reason whatsoever from I've read below) but it has been said before that articles shouldn't be posted twice like this so I don't know how or why this would be... maybe someone else is going to come along now and explain something... --•wicke 00:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Or maybe not... --•wicke 01:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)]
- No reason whatsoever? I think being struck by lightning for at least 11 times is quite significant. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, like I said already (unless I'm missing something), •wicke 17:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)]
- So you meant no stated reason. Your wording sounded like I had no reason to justify the posting. There were no one around here at that time and I had to make decisions alone, under the glaring red timer. Why would I want to talk to myself. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- But why panic because it is red? If someone else notices or complains that it is red, ask them to help. If nobody notices then what's the problem? I don't think Wikipedia will crash because ITN hasn't been updated for 24 or 36 hours, especially if it has been updated multiple times in 24-hour periods that week. Or am I the only one who doesn't get blinded or stressed or freaked out by this timer? --•wicke 18:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)]
- But why panic because it is red? If someone else notices or complains that it is red, ask them to help. If nobody notices then what's the problem? I don't think Wikipedia will crash because ITN hasn't been updated for 24 or 36 hours, especially if it has been updated multiple times in 24-hour periods that week. Or am I the only one who doesn't get blinded or stressed or freaked out by this timer? --
- So you meant no stated reason. Your wording sounded like I had no reason to justify the posting. There were no one around here at that time and I had to make decisions alone, under the glaring red timer. Why would I want to talk to myself. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, like I said already (unless I'm missing something),
- No reason whatsoever? I think being struck by lightning for at least 11 times is quite significant. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Or maybe not... --
- Whatever the significance of the delay, I can't see why the successful launch cannot be listed, especially as the delay item has since scrolled off the page. Radagast (talk) 04:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, I think we can allow an exception for this... And the article appears to have been updated properly. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Wait, actually the update regarding the launch is a bit short. Can anyone expand it further? --BorgQueen (talk) 04:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is "W… 08:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)]
- ?? I was talking about update, not the blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- ?? OK more added to STS-127... including the 2 or 3 foam ejecta from the external fuel tanks which fell off 2 minutes into launch, damage is not expected to be as extensive as that which disintegrated Space Shuttle Columbia, however it is still under review, and will be examined again upon docking with the ISS. SriMesh | talk 15:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- ?? I was talking about update, not the blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is "
- It's been over 24 hrs since the launch; if this is going to be added, it should be soon - otherwise the item will be the shuttle's ISS docking by then... Radagast (talk) 23:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Wait, actually the update regarding the launch is a bit short. Can anyone expand it further? --BorgQueen (talk) 04:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, I think we can allow an exception for this... And the article appears to have been updated properly. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- I agree and I wasn't here when the delay was posted so I don't know the story (it seems to have just been posted for no reason whatsoever from I've read below) but it has been said before that articles shouldn't be posted twice like this so I don't know how or why this would be... maybe someone else is going to come along now and explain something... --
- Frankly, I think the launch is far more significant than a delay. --
- Twice in quick succession? I don't know... --
July 14
- Manek Urai by-election against government-led Barisan Nasional. (The Straits Times)
- Prime Minister of Poland, is elected the 28th President of the European Parliament, succeeding Hans-Gert Pöttering. (BBC) (AHN) (AFP)
- The H1N1 virus vaccine are lower than expected. [http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090713/vaccine_090713/20090713?hub=Health
ITN candidates for July 14
- Romanian political corruption scandal
The
- Oppose - I don't quite get what you're trying to say there, but if you're implying Ridzi's resignation is among the more important political events in Romania in the last 20 years ... well, no. (See the impeachment referendum, etc.) Romanian ministers have resigned on a relatively routine basis, for much greater acts of corruption. Plus, she holds a rather unimportant portfolio (the Youth Ministry). Yes, it's big news in Romania, but not really fit for ITN. - Biruitorul Talk 23:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)]
- France Violence
Might be an idea to keep an eye on this. Probably not that big now but as it is Bastille Day today it may kick off again tonight. After all, we have to remember what
- Support - I want to start an article. talk) 13:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Article in constrction - everyone are welcome to contribute and expand this --talk) 13:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Jerzy Buzek
- Prime Minister of Poland, is elected the 28th President of the European Parliament, succeeding Hans-Gert Pöttering. (BBC) Can anyone update the article? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Foiled again! I was nominating the same article, but didn't get in fast enough. :) Anyway, I'll help to update it. talk) 11:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Actually, I would like to put forward my idea for an entry on Buzek:
- "once the Prime Minister"? Sounds very odd to me. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Please feel free to change. I planned originally to say "a former Prime Minister", but I couldn't think of anything better to replace the phrase "former Eastern Bloc", and I didn't want to repeat the word within such a short amount of text. talk) 11:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Please feel free to change. I planned originally to say "a former Prime Minister", but I couldn't think of anything better to replace the phrase "former Eastern Bloc", and I didn't want to repeat the word within such a short amount of text.
- Almost there. Five lines of extra text is about right, isn't it? talk) 11:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)]
Updated article, does it look right? And thanks for the new pic, looks much better.
- Thank you. talk) 12:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I know this isn't a learning area, but may I ask if I went about this nomination completely the right way? I ask because this is my first ITN case, and as such I am not completely confident as yet. talk) 12:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I know this isn't a learning area, but may I ask if I went about this nomination completely the right way? I ask because this is my first ITN case, and as such I am not completely confident as yet.
Cheers. :)
July 13
- Twelve European companies launch the €400 billion solar thermal power stations in North Africa. (Bloomberg)
- Nigerian government. (BBC)
- Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria sign an intergovernmental agreement on the construction of the Nabucco natural gas pipeline. (BBC)
- At least 16 people have died, including eight children, in the city of bomb blast in a school. (CNN) (The Times of India)
- Greek police use bulldozers to completely clear a sprawling migrant camp that had been in place in the port town of Patras for over a decade. (Sky News)
- The Gaza conflict. (The Times) (Haaretz)
- The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta claims an attack on an oil depot in Lagos, Nigeria. (Forbes) (Vanguard)
- Russian President Dmitry Medvedev makes his first visit to South Ossetia. (RIA Novosti) (Bangkok Post)[permanent dead link]
- John Demjanjuk is charged with 27,900 counts of accessory to murder in World War II at a court in Germany. (Deutsche Welle) (AP)
- An explosion in attack. (The New York Times)
- U.S. Senate confirmation hearings for United States Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor begin. (CNN)
- Former Prime Minister of Lebanon Amin al-Hafez dies at age 83. (AP via Google News)
ITN candidates for July 13
- Fiasco regarding the arrest of Stern Hu
Australian government attempts to secure the release of Australian businessman
- We normally wait until the person gets convicted... If and when that happens, support. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- It is said that his trial could last for years before a verdict is made. The news is about his arrest and its impact on Sino-Australian relations as well as the iron ore industry. --User:000ace000 (talk) 11:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- There is no need to complain, since this item has been nominated for DYK instead. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Taliban resume fighting in Afghanistan
A explosion in
- Wow, one death and four injuries? --•wicke 16:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Henry Okah is released
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- Pakistan bombing
- A bomb killed 16 in Pakistan (including many children) [33] -- talk) 10:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Oppose. Too common there and the fatality is not particularly unusual at all. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- And each child is still only one person. --•wicke 16:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)]
- And each child is still only one person. --
- Patras bulldozer raid
- In Patras, Greece, police use bulldozers to destroy a migrant camp where hundreds of mainly Afghan immigrants had been living for over a decade. (Sky News) Does anyone think it is notable? --BorgQueen (talk) 06:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - no notable. talk) 10:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Intergovernmental agreement on the Nabucco pipeline
Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria sign an intergovernmental agreement on the construction of the Nabucco natural gas pipeline.
Scheduled to be signed on 13 July in Ankara between the governments of Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria. If signed, it will be a major step for implementing this project, which has been seen as the main alternative to the Russian gas supplies for Europe. Beagel (talk) 15:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support Hope they'll be no more Gazprom crises after the EU gets all these alternative pipelines set down. Therequiembellishere (talk) 04:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- Peru longer than usual winter
The 2009 winter in southern Peru began in March rather than June this year resulting in over 250 children's deaths, and a state of emergency in 21 states. The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) has reported over 74,500 deadly respiratory infections. BBC News Reuters SriMesh | talk 05:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - really important info but need to expand. -- talk) 07:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Supprt too, but it is best if you could expand it a little further. And I've removed the irrelevant 2007 info from the section. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- OK expanded SriMesh | talk 22:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- Blurb: "In Peru, a state of emergency is declared in 21 states after more than 250 children died in the 2009 winter season. Sounds ok? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- OK expanded SriMesh | talk 22:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- Supprt too, but it is best if you could expand it a little further. And I've removed the irrelevant 2007 info from the section. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
July 12
- Chinese Foreign Minister Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region and the perpetrators will be brought into court without any ethnical discrimination, in a 1 hour 15 minute phone conversation regarding the recent incidents with his Turkish counterpart Ahmet Davutoğlu. (Anadolu Agency)
- Countries in the H1N1 during and after the Hajj, where several million Muslims from all over the world will arrive in Mecca for the annual pilgrimage in late November. (IRIN)
- Five people are killed and several injured in India after a bridge being constructed for the Delhi Metro collapses. (Indian Express) (Associated Press) (BBC)
- A 6.1 magnitude
- The opposition
- Kidnapped Red Cross volunteer Eugenio Vagni is freed by Abu Sayyaf. (The Philippine Star)[permanent dead link] (AFP)
- Head of the CIA Leon Panetta accuses former United States Vice President Dick Cheney of hiding an intelligence program from Congress. (CNN) (BBC)
ITN candidates for July 12
- H1N1 Vaccine testing issues in Britain
Added. (If I'm going about this wrong, let me know or fix it and I'll see the change...I have intermittent knowledge of Wikipedia, mostly because I don't have time and no one has written "Wikipedia editing for Dummies" (or, at least not that I know of).Kavri (talk) 19:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- H1N1 precautions for up-coming Hajj
Added. (as above, don't flame me if I'm not doing this right, just let me know)Kavri (talk) 19:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Indian Police ambush
What about this? Reports are suggesting between 23 (as BBC state) and 35 killed, so it's quite big. Not sure if it would warrant its own article, but an update could be made to
- Leaning towards support. And I agree an update to the article would be more appropriate. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:39, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've made an update to Naxalite-Maoist insurgency. If it is put up I think it would be best to go with "at least 23 deaths", even though some sources say up 33 were killed --Daviessimo (talk) 21:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I've made an update to
- Tokyo prefectural election, 2009
Is
- You could make a case for it, as Tokyo is one of the 'big 4' global cities along with New York, London and Paris. Maybe we could have the mayoral or equivilant elections for these cities treated as regulars under political elections. At the end of the day they happen once every, what, four years or so? --Daviessimo (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think this has been discussed-local elections are generally opposed. I lean toward oppose on placing local/state elections up, unless there is violence/etc. that makes the election notable. Nominate! 21:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I think this has been discussed-local elections are generally opposed. I lean toward oppose on placing local/state elections up, unless there is violence/etc. that makes the election notable.
- You could make a case for it, as Tokyo is one of the 'big 4' global cities along with New York, London and Paris. Maybe we could have the mayoral or equivilant elections for these cities treated as regulars under political elections. At the end of the day they happen once every, what, four years or so? --Daviessimo (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Metro bridge collapse
Needs article.
- 6 construction workers die and 13 injured when a Delhi Metro bridge collapses in Dharampur. (The TImes of India) Cargoking talk 10:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Only six fatalities, and no international involvement. I don't think it is bad enough. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- There were three more for 2009 Washington Metro train collision. It got ITN status. Cargoking talk 10:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- A) And if we allow this, someone will come up with some accident with only three deaths, saying "it got ITN status with three more". B) I recall that the number of deaths wasn't the only factor in the Washington Metro discussion. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Totally oppose, it's not significant and there is no reason to create an article for this, just could be mentioned is talk) 12:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)]
- There were three more for 2009 Washington Metro train collision. It got ITN status. Cargoking talk 10:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Deaths in India are extremely common whether it is accidental or not and don't get much attention.I think that the botched alcohol operation which recently killed over 130 people is more significant. Nirvana888 (talk) 16:14, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Somalia
- 43 people die in ]
- You mean 43 people died this month? You should mention that in your proposed blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- But then, July hasn't passed yet, therefore it is best if we wait until the end of the month and give the total fatalities. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, I think it's for just today. The Reuters article says 40 fighters from al Shabaab group and 3 soldiers were killed from Sunday's fighting. Cargoking talk 10:52, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- But then, July hasn't passed yet, therefore it is best if we wait until the end of the month and give the total fatalities. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- Peru
An eye on this [34], is too short for now but could be a
- Tack this on to Peru's problems.
Ahh! Nothing's happening! And the template's so red! My eyes! My eyeeeeeesssss!!!! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 01:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've noticed that people here on ITN tend not to work much on Saturday and Sunday. And worse, two of our regular contributors, Candlewicke and Daviessimo, appear to be offline... --BorgQueen (talk) 07:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- STS-127 assembly mission
The thrice post-poned Space Shuttle Endeavour will try again try lift off on Sunday evening seven astronauts will travel to the
- NOPE no launch today.... Well maybe four times is a charm - twice due to fuel leaks, and now twice due to weather inclemency. The Endeavour is again delayed due to heavy clouds this time re-scheduled for 6.51pm EDT Monday. Oh my goodness. Reuters via Herald Sun SriMesh | talk 00:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
July 11
- The President of Peru Alan García names Javier Velásquez as the Prime Minister of Peru. (AFP via Google News)
- The death toll from the recent riots in Ürümqi rises to 184. (NDTV) (CNN) (China Daily)
- A mass funeral takes place in Srebrenica, Bosnia, to commemorate the 14th anniversary of the massacre that took place in the town. (Al Jazeera) (The Hindu) (Reuters)
- United States President Barack Obama addresses the Ghanaian parliament. (Al Jazeera) (BBC) (Joy FM)
- The UK announces that 8 British soldiers are killed in Afghanistan, the country's worst death toll in a 24-hour period. (Al Jazeera)
ITN candidates for July 11
- New Peruvian prime minister
I've put a small update on his page, I'll try to find more for him and Yehude Simon sometime soon. This is a direct result of the 2009 Peruvian political crisis. Therequiembellishere (talk) 23:54, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just noticed the red timer, so I think this should be put up ASAP. (Plus it's an ITN/R subject, too). Therequiembellishere (talk) 00:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support ITN/R Physchim62 (talk) 01:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- The article is too short yet. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Added two sentences which is about all I found. Commons had two photos though and this one looks usable. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- The article says: "He is to be sworn-in at 8:00pm on 12 July 2009." I suppose it is local time? We have to wait until he is sworn-in. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Article updated as it is 8:00pm in Lima. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- The article says: "He is to be sworn-in at 8:00pm on 12 July 2009." I suppose it is local time? We have to wait until he is sworn-in. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Added two sentences which is about all I found. Commons had two photos though and this one looks usable. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- The article is too short yet. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Anniversary Of the Srebrenica massacre with mass funeral
[35] The remains of 534 identified victims were buried today. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- Any updates to associated articles? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:21, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Not yet. The Srebrenica massacre article has to be updated... --BorgQueen (talk) 03:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- New words added to the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary
More than 100 new words have been added to the
- I dunno...they do it every year. Nominate! 16:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)]
- And they're not the only dictionary out there, either: the OED does this four times a year. Doesn't seem significant enough. Algebraist 18:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)]
- And they're not the only dictionary out there, either: the
- Space Shuttle Endeavour
The post-poned Space Shuttle Endeavour will try again try lift off On Saturday evening, weather permitting, seven astronauts will travel to the
- Nope, due to eleven lightning strikes again delayed another 24 hours until Sunday possibly. NASA SriMesh | talk 17:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
July 10
- July 2009 Ürümqi riots
- Erdogan strengthens his rhetoric: "These incidents in China are as if they are genocide. We ask the Chinese government not to remain a spectator to these incidents." (Associated Press)[permanent dead link] (BBC) (Reuters)
- A curfew is reimposed in Ürümqi, days after it was lifted. (BBC)
- The families of "innocent victims" killed are to receive 200,000
- The trial of National League for Democracy General Secretary Aung San Suu Kyi resumes after a six week break. (BBC) (The Times of India) (The Guardian)
- More than 400,000 people are evacuated following an
- One person is killed by a bull, (the third fatality since 1980), during the
- A senior Iranian cleric calls for changes to the election laws in the country to prevent further post-election unrest in the future. (Press TV) (The Los Angeles Times)
- Detained government. (BBC) (Vanguard)
- A Ilan Halimi, sentencing the ringleader to life in prison. (AP via Yahoo)
- Automaker bankruptcy protection after 40 days under court supervision. (AP via Yahoo)
ITN candidates for July 10
The summit has closed, and the article needs some updates (tense, etc). Can anyone help? --BorgQueen (talk) 07:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- Suggested blurb: Italian government regarding suppression of protesters during the summit. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)]
Posting soon.weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 09:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)]- Sorry, didn't notice that it needed updated. D'oh. Will get to it... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 09:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Sorry, didn't notice that it needed updated. D'oh. Will get to it...
- Henry Okah accepts amnesty
- Government of Nigeria. (BBC) The article needs substantial updates, of course. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Updated a bit, but probably it is best if we wait until he is actually released. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- Conviction in Halimi case
A
- Breaking news from France. Halimi was a Jewish man who was held captive for three weeks by a gang of African Muslims in a Paris suburb as part of an extortion attempt. He became a cause celebre in France and in the world Jewish community. It's probably too early to see how much attention this will get in the English-language press. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting news... --BorgQueen (talk) 01:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- I am being tempted to support, but if we put this on MP we'll have to feature Murder of Meredith Kercher as well. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- GM exits bankruptcy
Automaker
- World's Oldest Dinosaur Burrows
It seems that dinosaurs are like buses... nothing comes for ages and then you have two at once! Anyhoo... What about this this. Its not as significant as the last one but a 107 million year old animal burrow is still a pretty remarkable find. Because it is not related to a particular dinosaur, I was maybe thinking that an update could go at burrow. Thoughts? --Daviessimo (talk) 17:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- Earthquake
5.7
- Only one person died? I am not sure if it is significant enough... --BorgQueen (talk) 02:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support per damage and number of injuries. talk) 08:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I'm on the fence with this one. When you get over 7-7.5 in scale, I think they are notable irrelevant of deaths because they are so infrequent (Maybe 5 a year that strike an inhabited land mass). A 5.7 quake is not that strong (there are probably ~400/500 a year that are between 5 and 6 in size) and thus it is normally a requirement to have a considerable number of deaths. That being said, the damages from this seem quite considerable and according to the article there are 30 serious injuries, which mean the death toll could rise. If I had to lean one way, I'd probably say very weak support, although it would be good to get other opinions --Daviessimo (talk) 11:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- Pamplona Bull Run
It's actually the first death by goring since 1995, somebody died of a fall in 2003, the last actual fatality. MickMacNee (talk) 12:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- Personally, though it merits an addition of a sentence to the article, it merits no more than that. In addition, while interesting, it's not really notable enough for ITN. Thanks, Nominate! 23:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)]
July 9
- A magnitude 5.7 earthquake strikes Yunnan province of China, killing one person and destroying over 10,000 homes. (BBC)
- July 2009 Ürümqi riots
- China opposes Turkey's attempt to place the riots on the agenda of the United Nations Security Council, saying it is a "domestic affair", as Turkish Trade and Industry Minister Nihat Ergun and some Turkish companies call for a boycott of Chinese goods. (Xinhua)
(BBC) (Today's Zaman) (NASDAQ)
- 2009 Iranian election protests
- Tehran Governor Morteza Tamaddon vows to "smash" any new protests. (Al Bawaba)
- Sudan confirms negotiations are underway to free the kidnapped Irish and Ugandan aid workers Sharon Commins and Hilda Kawuki. (RTÉ)
- New cyber attacks strike South Korean websites, after several successive days of attacks. (Yonhap) (Associated Press) (The Korea Times)
- The death toll from a mass poisoning involving home-brewed alcohol in Gujarat, India rises to 71. (RTÉ)
- United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon says G8 action on climate change is "not good enough". (BBC)
- Prachanda denies allegations of plans to stage a coup d'état. (BBC)
- British phone tapping controversy
- David Cameron is asked to dismiss one of his most trusted advisers over allegations of illegal phone hacking by the Rupert Murdoch-owned News of the World tabloid. (The Times)
- British police are to investigate phone hacking claims by a newspaper. (BBC) (Bloomberg) (The New York Times)
- A
- 25 people, including 21 civilians and 4 police, die and four are injured when an overturned truck carrying explosives blows up on a road south of Kabul, Afghanistan. (RTÉ)
- Bombs in Baghdad and northern Iraq kill at least 41 people and wounded more than 80, police say. (Sky News)
- The United States claims to have released five Iranian diplomats held in Iraq since 2007, but in fact delivers them into Iraqi custody. (Al Jazeera) (CNN)
ITN candidates for July 9
- Cyber attacks against South Korea and the United States
Does anyone think it is ITN-notable? It is still ongoing, at least in South Korea, and "the financial loss caused by the attacks is expected to snowball to an astronomical figure." [38] --BorgQueen (talk) 16:30, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. I guess two governments being targeted in such a way makes this a definite international affair. --•wicke 16:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Thanks. Would you create July 2009 cyber attacks against South Korea and the United States? Or something like that... --BorgQueen (talk) 16:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I've got some free time so I can get on that --Daviessimo (talk) 18:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, I actually have very little free time at the minute anyway. :D --•wicke 18:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I've started the article. Not sure if you want more. Just let us know --Daviessimo (talk) 20:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, I actually have very little free time at the minute anyway. :D --
- I've got some free time so I can get on that --Daviessimo (talk) 18:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. Would you create
- Anwar Ibrahim sodomy trial
Let's keep an eye on this. [39] If he is found guilty it's definitely an ITN material. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
July 8
- The GDF Suez and E.ON €553 million each over arrangements on the MEGAL pipeline. (Financial Times) (The Wall Street Journal) (Bloomberg) (Reuters)
- Taoiseach Brian Cowen announces that the second referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon in Ireland will be held on October 2. (RTÉ) (The Irish Times)
- The
- July 2009 Ürümqi riots
- Turkey is to ask the United Nations Security Council to discuss ways to end the violence in Xinjiang. (Reuters)
- Debris and bodies from Yemenia Flight 626, which crashed off the Comoros in the Indian Ocean, wash up on Mafia Island, Tanzania. (BBC)
- Indonesian presidential election, 2009
- Indonesians go to the polls for the first round of the presidential election. (Al Jazeera)
- President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is projected to win a second term. (KOMPAS) (Jakarta Post)
- Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim's trial on sodomy charges of engaging in sexual intercourse with a male aide is delayed after his main defence lawyer falls ill. (BBC)
- July 2009 Mindanao bombings
- The UN Development Program suspends feeding operations for Mindanao refugees. (GMA News)
- Increased security, particularly in Manila, leads many to speculate the return of martial law. (Philippine Daily Inquirer)
- The
- Strikes by 70,000 workers in South Africa halt work on the World Cup 2010 stadiums. (BBC) (AFP)
- South Korea says North Korea is behind a number of cyber attacks on the websites of government agencies, banks and businesses in South Korea and the United States. (Yonhap) (BBC) (The Times)
- Exiled Honduran President Manuel Zelaya and interim President Roberto Micheletti agree to talks under mediation by Costa Rica. (The Guardian)
- presidential election. (Reuters)
- Marwa El-Sherbini, saying Chancellor Angela Merkel will meet the Egyptian President to discuss the affair. (BBC) (CBC) (CNN) (The Guardian) (The Irish Times)
- Four Rio Tinto executives accused of espionage are detained by Chinese Authorities amid iron ore negotiations. (News.com.au)
- Two car bombs blow up in Mosul, the second of them killing at least nine people. (BBC)
- Undercover investigators smuggle bomb-making materials into government buildings in the United States, assembling bombs within, on ten occasions. (BBC)
- The Guardian claims that rival English newspaper, the Rupert Murdoch-owned News of the World tabloid, paid £1 million in court costs after its journalists were accused of involvement in phone tapping celebrities and politicians. (BBC) (Reuters) (The Sydney Morning Herald)
- It is claimed that the drug rapamycin, discovered in the soil of Easter Island in the 1970s, may help to fight the ageing process. (BBC)
ITN candidates for July 8
- Al Franken
Discussion moved to
- New Salamander
a new Salamander has been discovered. Ashishg55 (talk) 18:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds significant. "The salamander is so distinct that it's been classified within its own genus, a taxonomic grouping that usually includes a host of related species. The creature breathes through its skin, and unusually for its kind, males and females have different colouration. Such a distinct amphibian has not been found in the US for half a century." --•wicke 17:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Maybe you should drop a line at WP:AAR and see if you can get someone to do the necessary update. I think it's going to be like the dinosaurs in that it will need someone with more knowledge on the subject to do it --Daviessimo (talk) 09:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Done. Article is at •wicke 17:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Still a stub though. --•wicke 17:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Added a couple more lines to it. Ashishg55 (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks but still a bit too short... --BorgQueen (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Someone added more I think. --•wicke 21:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Someone added more I think. --
- Thanks but still a bit too short... --BorgQueen (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Added a couple more lines to it. Ashishg55 (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Still a stub though. --
- Done. Article is at
- Maybe you should drop a line at
- Fine imposed by the EC
The
It is the second largest fine ever imposed by the European Commission and the biggest in the energy sector.Beagel (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think €553 million x2 is big enough for ITN. Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Btw, I don't think bolding three articles in one blurb is a good idea; it is rather distracting. Let's focus on MEGAL pipeline; Can you update the article a little further? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ye, I support too --Daviessimo (talk) 14:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Btw, I don't think bolding three articles in one blurb is a good idea; it is rather distracting. Let's focus on MEGAL pipeline; Can you update the article a little further? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Artifical sperm
We got a first man made sperm. not a good news for guys i guess Ashishg55 (talk) 13:24, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Normally I'd support, but I think there is an issue with whether this claim is actually true. The BBC article on it states that there is contention over whether they are fully developed sperm and thus actually usable --Daviessimo (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ya i thought about that too but really i got no knowledge in the biological department. Unless someone can verify i think our best bet would be to take BBC's word on it. they featured the story so im assuming that atleast an artificial sperm was made. whether it is usable or not is i guess a different story. Ashishg55 (talk) 14:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I was going to nominate this, then saw there was some uncertainty so I think I will oppose. If it were posted I don't know how any objection could be made to claims like contact with extraterrestrial life or human cloning or anything of that nature if it was posted on the BBC site... or it could even be one of those where it is close to being achieved but has not actually been achieved yet. Someone is always claiming this type of thing to get in the headlines but it needs to be properly verified. --•wicke 15:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I was going to nominate this, then saw there was some uncertainty so I think I will oppose. If it were posted I don't know how any objection could be made to claims like contact with extraterrestrial life or human cloning or anything of that nature if it was posted on the BBC site... or it could even be one of those where it is close to being achieved but has not actually been achieved yet. Someone is always claiming this type of thing to get in the headlines but it needs to be properly verified. --
- Ya i thought about that too but really i got no knowledge in the biological department. Unless someone can verify i think our best bet would be to take BBC's word on it. they featured the story so im assuming that atleast an artificial sperm was made. whether it is usable or not is i guess a different story. Ashishg55 (talk) 14:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- G8 Summit
The 35th G8 summit is taking place from 8th-10th July in L'Aquila, Italy. I'm suprised this isn't listed as a recurring event actually. I'm not sure if it would be best to list this once it has finished though --Daviessimo (talk) 08:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I am not sure if we should feature such summits every single time, unless something new, "first" or unusual happens (such as protests, delay or cancellation), or some definite action is taken as a result. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- The Chinese president left the summit due to the Urumqi riots. We could mention that. –Howard the Duck 09:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's a good point. Support. There would be two riot-related ITNs though the first one could be removed if it's too much. --•wicke 15:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- That's a good point. Support. There would be two riot-related ITNs though the first one could be removed if it's too much. --
- The Chinese president left the summit due to the Urumqi riots. We could mention that. –Howard the Duck 09:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hu's leaving of the G8 summit is unprecedented. Generally Chinese government officials want to leave these types of riots to "local authorities". This is clearly not the case this time, because the riots have now become extremely serious. Would be good to mention it. Colipon+(T) 00:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, with all the ITNs that are ready or being supported now the lot could be replaced... --•wicke 01:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Significant because the G-2 won't be at the G-8, meaning nothing substantial will get done. Let's see what happens at the G-8 once the smoke clears. 76.65.22.54 (talk) 02:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, with all the ITNs that are ready or being supported now the lot could be replaced... --
- New leaders
- Jadranka Kosor becomes the first female Prime Minister of Croatia.
- Chairman of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
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- All three articles need substantial updates. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Two done and I have two sentences for the middle one from the one English source I could find. I had no luck trying to find a Bosnian translator so maybe someone else can extract a few more sentences from somewhere? --•wicke 21:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Posted Jadranka Kosor and Frank Kabui. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Two done and I have two sentences for the middle one from the one English source I could find. I had no luck trying to find a Bosnian translator so maybe someone else can extract a few more sentences from somewhere? --
- All three articles need substantial updates. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
July 7
- July 2009 Ürümqi riots
- Chinese police arrest 1,434 people over rioting in Xinjiang province. (Xinhua) (BBC) (South African Star)
- Han Chinese take to the streets of Ürümqi following an earlier protest by Uighur women, amid rising ethnic tensions. (BBC) (The Times) (Xinhua) (Al Jazeera)
- Muslim-majority countries for not speaking out against Chinese repression of Muslim Uighurs. (Al-Jazeera)
- A viewing around the world. (AP via Google News)
- UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon begins his two-day visit to Ireland.(RTÉ)
- Police shoot dead the Cherokee County serial killer, identified as Patrick Tracy Burris, after he fired several times at the police. (BBC)
- Tunisian police charge nine men—including two air force officers—with plotting several deaths during joint military exercises with the US. (Jerusalem Post) (BBC)
- A £1m permanent memorial to the victims of the July 7, 2005 London bombings is unveiled in the city's Hyde Park. (BBC) (RTÉ)
- An institutional child abuse museum is suggested in Ireland by the Labour Party's Ruairi Quinn, with Education Minister Batt O'Keeffe criticising the Opposition on the issue. (RTÉ)
- The missile launches by North Korea. (Xinhua)
- The United Nations says around 204,000 people have fled violence in Mogadishu, Somalia as a result of a militant offensive against government forces. (CNN)
- Two bombs explode in the southern Philippines, killing two and injuring 53. (Philippine Daily Inquirer) (Bloomberg)
- Benedict XVI calls for a new financial world order guided by ethics, dignity and the search for a common good. (The Times of India) (Associated Press)
- 12 people die in a
- Ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya is to meet with United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. (Reuters)
- Iraq bans planned group visits to Saddam Hussein's grave. (BBC)
- United States President Barack Obama addresses graduates in Moscow, Russia. (BBC) (The New York Times) (RIA Novosti)
- A Belgrad, killing the pilot and one soldier on the ground. (Sky News)
- presidential election. (New Straits Times)
- Prosecutors at the
- U.S. Senator, the 60th caucusing with the Democratic Party which is a filibuster-proof majority. (The New York Times)
ITN candidates for July 7
- Indonesia elections (bump-up from July 5)
I think
- Al Franken
- senator giving those who caucus with the Democratic Party a majority in both houses of the United States Congress.
- Support per June 30 discussion. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support per June 30 discussion, but the blurb above is incorrect. Here is what it should say:
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- Can its significance be explained please? --•wicke 00:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- We went through all of that on June 30. The U.S. is a country whose election results were held up for 250 days for this (one of the closest elections in Senate history according to some). -SusanLesch (talk) 00:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Can its significance be explained please? --
- Support per June 30 discussion, but the blurb above is incorrect. Here is what it should say:
- I hate to break the chain, but I object to this. He's one of 100 senators in the United States. If Sarah Palin's resignation was not shown, there is not way this should be. Very American-centric. Unless you are well versed in either SNL or his anti-Republican crusades, it's hardly relevant. (given though, that the recount campaign was painfully long. still, I don't believe this to be justified - plus tipping the balance of the senate is a very technical, parliamentary issue, can't imagine this being posted for any other country). Also brings out ITN's extreme obsession with parliamentary peculiarities - and this always goes unnoticed. A parliamentary election in Palau certainly has less influence on the world than a Gujarati uprising in India - but those never make it on here. Colipon+(T) 00:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- If you have an item about the Gujarati uprising in India you should nominate it. When this election was decided it was the number one story in the world according to Google News top stories. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:03, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough. But two days ago the top story was Obama and Medvedev summit. Right now the top story is about Michael Jackson's children. One cannot simply insert every single top story on Google into the ITN. Colipon+(T) 01:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would agree with that sentiment. It is more about the significance of the item, and particularly if it affects more than one country, than the top story on Google, one source and an American one at that. We could use the BBC in the same way and we might have several British stories running at once. Or what about the top stories from South Africa (currently Michael Jackson is there oddly enough yet no mention of this particularly important story)? --•wicke 01:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Pardon me Candlewicke and Coliphon, but as an English-speaking citizen of the United States this matters, did matter and does--today before the story goes stale twice. I absolutely support other countries' news in ITN. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- OK sorry, English-speaking citizens of the United States have to be catered for. I will let others decide. --•wicke 02:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I dont really care if this goes up or not. but the reason should not be because it matters to "english speaking US citizen". there are many other countries that speak english (and many more that understand). I still dont see a logical reasoning behind this except that its followed in US and its on google. if anyone can please comment on the international significance (or international interest besides US citizens) then that would be great. thanks. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Like, why should I care who wins the next Canadian election? So far, all the land on Earth is divided into countries, so almost everything that happens on this planet had to happen inside one of them. The elected officials of any country affect both its citizens and the citizens of all the other countries. Why vote? But this is a discussion for somewhere else. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- i really thought we put obama up when he won. or are canadian elections more like US senate elections...? Ashishg55 (talk) 03:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes I thought Obama was up, too. The U.S. has three branches of government. Without looking I don't know about Canada. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:52, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- The U.S. has a presidential system, in which the president is elected directly (more or less) and separately from the elections for members of Congress. In Canada, only members of Parliament are directly elected, and the leader of the party or coalition that wins the most seats becomes the prime minister. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 06:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes I thought Obama was up, too. The U.S. has three branches of government. Without looking I don't know about Canada. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:52, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- i really thought we put obama up when he won. or are canadian elections more like US senate elections...? Ashishg55 (talk) 03:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Like, why should I care who wins the next Canadian election? So far, all the land on Earth is divided into countries, so almost everything that happens on this planet had to happen inside one of them. The elected officials of any country affect both its citizens and the citizens of all the other countries. Why vote? But this is a discussion for somewhere else. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I dont really care if this goes up or not. but the reason should not be because it matters to "english speaking US citizen". there are many other countries that speak english (and many more that understand). I still dont see a logical reasoning behind this except that its followed in US and its on google. if anyone can please comment on the international significance (or international interest besides US citizens) then that would be great. thanks. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- OK sorry, English-speaking citizens of the United States have to be catered for. I will let others decide. --
- Pardon me Candlewicke and Coliphon, but as an English-speaking citizen of the United States this matters, did matter and does--today before the story goes stale twice. I absolutely support other countries' news in ITN. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would agree with that sentiment. It is more about the significance of the item, and particularly if it affects more than one country, than the top story on Google, one source and an American one at that. We could use the BBC in the same way and we might have several British stories running at once. Or what about the top stories from South Africa (currently Michael Jackson is there oddly enough yet no mention of this particularly important story)? --
- Fair enough. But two days ago the top story was Obama and Medvedev summit. Right now the top story is about Michael Jackson's children. One cannot simply insert every single top story on Google into the ITN. Colipon+(T) 01:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- If you have an item about the Gujarati uprising in India you should nominate it. When this election was decided it was the number one story in the world according to Google News top stories. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:03, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Given that this had already been posted I'm not going to oppose, although, as I have stated when this was originally nominated, I don't think it is notable enough. However, I must once again comment on my concern (and it is a concern shared by others) of the way other users are judging the importance of items. This is an encylopaedia, not a news service - we have wikinews for that. Fundamental biases continue to creep up. Yes, this is the English Wikipedia, but English is the most widely spoken language in the world and an official language in 50 different countries (that's 1/4 of the countries in the world). I don't want to sound funny, but the biases and rule bending involve the same country that is criticised in almost every area of life for its inward looking and self righteous attitude. Wikipedia can never be entirely neutral but as users we should strive to avoid it where possible, however, with this, the MJ story and many other ITN nomiations people are using POV (i.e. this news story is important to me or I don't care/have never heard of that so its not important) as a judge --Daviessimo (talk) 07:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- This is not really news in the sense that MJ is news, it's like what encyclopedias list as "current events:" a national legislature invokes a rule not used most of the time due to a change in membership. I would've opposed the instance the filibuster was used, since it's only a bill, it hasn't become a law, and we'd never list bills at ITN; on the other hand, I'd support similar such events for other legislatures. –Howard the Duck 08:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Given that this had already been posted I'm not going to oppose, although, as I have stated when this was originally nominated, I don't think it is notable enough. However, I must once again comment on my concern (and it is a concern shared by others) of the way other users are judging the importance of items. This is an encylopaedia,
- This is a tad Americocentric, and not really 'news' since it isn't a fundamental change the balance of power (since it's unlikely that all 60 will vote in the same way, and Maine senators Collins and Snowe often vote against their parties). -93.97.122.93 (talk) 12:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Daviessimo and just want to add that there is inherent bias when users nominate an item related to their own country/state/city. THis does not mean dont nominate since that is how others users find out about it. But u should also realize that it may be important to u but at same time mean nothing to rest of the world. So to keep wikipedia neutral please take out POV and think of item whether it matters to rest of the world or not. It does not need to be of great international importance but atleast ppl should be interested in the item. And google news is not the way to determine that... Obama swatting a fly generates more hits than news in smaller country. So we cannot use the number of hits in google as our guideline. Ashishg55 (talk) 14:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose The only elections we include are general elections and head of state elections. Plus the blurb completely fails to explain the significance of the supermajority. Modest Genius talk 16:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- This was a part of the general election -- oddly enough, for the number of U.S.-election related items last year, we didn't mention the legislative election result so this is supposed to be the blurb. Yes the supermajority has to be elaborated further. –Howard the Duck 16:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would just like to point out that if Wikipedia is governed by consensus, having this many people point out their opposition to putting the Al Franken story on ITN, it should rightfully be removed. This happened earlier with a lady named Ruth Something who became professor of poetry at Oxford, and not that many people cared. Please remove this. Colipon+(T) 00:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just a note that I think you're exaggerating "this many people point out their opposition". I count three opposes: 93.97.122.93, yourself and Modest Genius. (Ashishg55 said s/he didn't care and Daviessimo said s/he wouldn't oppose.) -SusanLesch (talk) 05:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would just like to point out that if Wikipedia is governed by consensus, having this many people point out their opposition to putting the Al Franken story on ITN, it should rightfully be removed. This happened earlier with a lady named Ruth Something who became professor of poetry at Oxford, and not that many people cared. Please remove this. Colipon+(T) 00:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- This was a part of the general election -- oddly enough, for the number of U.S.-election related items last year, we didn't mention the legislative election result so this is supposed to be the blurb. Yes the supermajority has to be elaborated further. –Howard the Duck 16:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Bulgarian parliamentary election, 2009
Can anyone update
- Centre-right party parliamentary election in Bulgaria and is expected to form a coalition government with Boyko Borisov as Prime Minister. Todor→Bozhinov 14:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Good, just we should not have wording is expected. Can it be reworded? Although it is quite clear, it is a speculation until Borisov actually is asked to form the government. Until then, Centre-right party ]
- Yeah, that sounds good. If we have space for a few more words, we might emphasize the fact that it's a pretty big victory. That kind of margin was not expected by sociologists. Todor→Bozhinov 15:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've removed led by Borisov since the article says he's not the formal leader of the party. We need some better wording to explain this or not mention him in the blurb. --Tone 15:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, that sounds good. If we have space for a few more words, we might emphasize the fact that it's a pretty big victory. That kind of margin was not expected by sociologists. Todor→Bozhinov 15:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- East African Community
- Burundi and Rwanda join the East African Community. (BBC) However, the article needs more citations and updates. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- The new story is not about joining, it's about custom union. The two have been members of EAC since 2007, according to the article. I don't think custom agreement is ITN notable, however, the proposed currency union is. Let's wait... --Tone 13:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, it was I who added that but upon further investigation I found it was just an extension of something they joined in 2007 so I didn't see a reason to nominate... :( --•wicke 18:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Yes, it was I who added that but upon further investigation I found it was just an extension of something they joined in 2007 so I didn't see a reason to nominate... :( --
- The new story is not about joining, it's about custom union. The two have been members of EAC since 2007, according to the article. I don't think custom agreement is ITN notable, however, the proposed currency union is. Let's wait... --Tone 13:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Funeral of MJ
- Is expected to be the biggest in entertainment history, eclipsing that of his former father-in-law talk) 08:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Possible, yes. In my opinion, it would be good to consider merging articles Death and Funeral of MJ because they go together. At least for now. --Tone 08:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- The issue with this is that not long ago the state funeral of Omar Bongo was nominated to go up, but was pretty swiftly rejected because the death had already been listed. We put MJ's funeral up and its effectively hypocrisy. Another problem is that Jackson is already on the main page as the FA. I know that people will say that this is bigger but we do it for him and then we've got to do it for Thatcher and Mandela etc etc. For these reasons I'm leaning towards oppose --Daviessimo (talk) 12:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- In fact, I second that. And I still recommend a merge of the two article. --Tone 13:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't see reports of Taiwanese grieving over Omar Bongo so... –Howard the Duck 13:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- MJ = Omar Bongo? People, MJ merits more attention...talk) 13:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I think the purpose of putting this item up would be to honour MJ. and to me it is best done via TFA that is why there is Thriller on main page. Funeral is always followed by a death so it is technically not ITN material no matter how important the person is. My opinion is to leave MJ to TFA today. Ashishg55 (talk) 14:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, but TFA lasts for a day. ITN entries last for at least a week in recent cases... –Howard the Duck 14:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- I was about to support but then I thought of the Omar Bongo case. I would say oppose for now but if this is verified by several sources as the biggest and most watched event in history and the article is sufficiently updated to reflect the true international significance, i.e. multiple references and citations from non-US sources (as there are bound to be plenty of US sources and this is obviously happening there) with several dozen countries represented and a decent continental spread (sources from or mentioning countries in Asia, Africa and South America would be good if they're not already there) then perhaps I would support. It would appear that both these may be possible and if the article attracted that much interest I would see it as a good ITN possibility if others support that too or can make sense of what I've just said as well. --•wicke 16:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Ordinarily, WP:CRYSTAL would dictate that we wait to see just how big the funeral was in terms of viewership in accordance with what Candlewicke is saying. However, because ITN has an aspect of immediacy to it, I think we really have to make a decision right away. Therefore, I think we have to base our decision on how the world's media is playing the story right now. Google News indicates that the British as well as American media is playing the memorial up as if it was JFK's funeral. It's the lead story in the Telegraph, Guardian and BBC. And Le Monde (France), Stern (Germany), ABC (Spain), The Age (Australia), etc., etc. That's good enough for me. Support -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)]
- As per User:Mwalcoff. Here in Brazil, the memorial service was brodcasted in all the national television networks. That's good enough for me. Support -- Felipe Menegaz 23:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is there anyone willing to speak for Africa or Asia since most continents are being covered there I guess... since it's a funeral it would really need to prove it was massive or all other funeral nominations would be difficult to argue against... I really don't see the need to rush - things seem to be a bit slow again at the moment... --•wicke 00:11, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- It was also televised live on both major Filipino networks. That makes five continents we've covered. I don't think any planned event has received this much media attention since the first moon landing in 1969. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Here is what is hot in South Africa (having mentioned it above). As I type this Jackson has a big square on the front page with seven article links, one of which is titled "Mandela's message to Jackson memorial - full text". --•wicke 01:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- well since TFA is now gone i will give this a support. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- The •wicke 03:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Hmmm... could be a little jazzier. Maybe: Musicians and fans gather in memorial to Michael Jackson, which millions around the world watch on TV and at special gatherings. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Well (if it gets posted) that speaks for itself. Its impact on the world (whether people like or hate him but then ITNs don't necessarily always get posted because the person involved is liked - at least that's not how I judge them all) is probably my reason to support this one. I am relieved that several sites and the relevance of this to several countries (and not just Google hits) are the methods of determining the worth of this candidate, at least in my opinion. --•wicke 15:42, 8 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Well (if it gets posted) that speaks for itself. Its impact on the world (whether people like or hate him but then ITNs don't necessarily always get posted because the person involved is liked - at least that's not how I judge them all) is probably my reason to support this one. I am relieved that several sites and the relevance of this to several countries (and not just Google hits) are the methods of determining the worth of this candidate, at least in my opinion. --
- Hmmm... could be a little jazzier. Maybe: Musicians and fans gather in
- The
- well since TFA is now gone i will give this a support. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Here is what is hot in South Africa (having mentioned it above). As I type this Jackson has a big square on the front page with seven article links, one of which is titled "Mandela's message to Jackson memorial - full text". --
- It was also televised live on both major Filipino networks. That makes five continents we've covered. I don't think any planned event has received this much media attention since the first moon landing in 1969. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is there anyone willing to speak for Africa or Asia since most continents are being covered there I guess... since it's a funeral it would really need to prove it was massive or all other funeral nominations would be difficult to argue against... I really don't see the need to rush - things seem to be a bit slow again at the moment... --
- As per User:Mwalcoff. Here in Brazil, the memorial service was brodcasted in all the national television networks. That's good enough for me. Support -- Felipe Menegaz 23:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ordinarily,
- I was about to support but then I thought of the Omar Bongo case. I would say oppose for now but if this is verified by several sources as the biggest and most watched event in history and the article is sufficiently updated to reflect the true international significance, i.e. multiple references and citations from non-US sources (as there are bound to be plenty of US sources and this is obviously happening there) with several dozen countries represented and a decent continental spread (sources from or mentioning countries in Asia, Africa and South America would be good if they're not already there) then perhaps I would support. It would appear that both these may be possible and if the article attracted that much interest I would see it as a good ITN possibility if others support that too or can make sense of what I've just said as well. --
- Yeah, but TFA lasts for a day. ITN entries last for at least a week in recent cases... –Howard the Duck 14:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think the purpose of putting this item up would be to honour MJ. and to me it is best done via TFA that is why there is Thriller on main page. Funeral is always followed by a death so it is technically not ITN material no matter how important the person is. My opinion is to leave MJ to TFA today. Ashishg55 (talk) 14:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- In fact, I second that. And I still recommend a merge of the two article. --Tone 13:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- The issue with this is that not long ago the state funeral of Omar Bongo was nominated to go up, but was pretty swiftly rejected because the death had already been listed. We put MJ's funeral up and its effectively hypocrisy. Another problem is that Jackson is already on the main page as the FA. I know that people will say that this is bigger but we do it for him and then we've got to do it for Thatcher and Mandela etc etc. For these reasons I'm leaning towards oppose --Daviessimo (talk) 12:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Possible, yes. In my opinion, it would be good to consider merging articles Death and Funeral of MJ because they go together. At least for now. --Tone 08:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- What else needs to happen in order for this to go up? –Howard the Duck 11:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
July 6
- 2009 Honduran coup d'état
- Honduran President Manuel Zelaya diverts his jet to Nicaragua after being barred from landing in Tegucigalpa as ground troops kill two in a battle against supporters with the country in turmoil. (BBC) (The Guardian)
- United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urges the Organization of American States to restore constitutional order in Honduras following the coup. (AFP)
- China's Xinjiang region leave 156 dead and more than 800 injured. (Xinhua) (BBC) (Times of India) (Al Jazeera)
- South Africa's new "Hawks" serious crime squad begins work six months after its "Scorpions" predecessor was disbanded amid claims of political bias. (BBC)
- Burundi and Rwanda join the East African Community Customs Union. (BBC)
- Iran frees another British embassy worker, leaving one local worker in jail. (CNN) (Reuters)
- About 800 pages of the earliest surviving Christian Bible are displayed on the internet. (BBC)
- The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta says it has seized a chemical tanker with six crew and attacked a second oil facility. (Associated Press) (This Day)
- Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf's spokesman calls "surprising" a call by the country's truth commission that she be barred from office. (BBC)
- Nigerian militants hold six crew members of an oil tanker, including its Russian captain. (BBC)
- United States President Barack Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agree on cutting their nuclear warheads and cooperate on military action in Afghanistan. (The Guardian) (Bloomberg) (Reuters)
- A Government delegation including hostage negotiators, led by Ireland's Ambassador to Egypt Gerard Corr continue efforts in Khartoum to locate two Irish and Ugandan aid workers who were kidnapped in Sudan. (RTÉ)
- Bolivian drug enforcement officials raid what they call the biggest cocaine laboratory ever found in their country. (BBC)
- European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana says he will not seek another term in office. (BBC)
- The center-right Bulgarian parliamentary elections (BBC)
- Three gunmen open fire at a house in Miami, Florida, United States, killing one person and wounding eleven others. (San Francisco Chronicle)
- US Vice President Joe Biden's claim that the US will not interfere in an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities. (Al Jazeera)
ITN candidates for July 6
- The 2009 Iranian presidential election.
- As I understand it, this is an important announcement by a big group of influential clerics, illustrating the split in the Iranian elite. There doesn't seem to be an article in Wikipedia yet. [41]
- Issuing statements only is not enough for ITN, I think. We've covered the elections twice already. However, if there is some significant development, we can always consider an update. --Tone 09:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't agree with the "Issuing statements only is not enough for ITN" part. Statements can be very important. Like if the Republican National Convention issued a statement that the 2000 election was stolen by Bush, which would be a US analogy :). The clerics are supposed to be the power base and source of legitimacy for the Iranian government. Thue | talk 09:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think we would put that example on ITN either... However, if this results in some changes, that's another thing. But first, there have to be some changes, not only statements. And we don't have an article anyway so there's no point in discussing, really... --Tone 11:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose per Tone - statements like this are just people's or group's opinions. As such, not only are they not notable, but I'm fairly certain they contradict Wikipedia's NPOV policy --Daviessimo (talk) 12:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- While I of course agree that it can't currently go on ITN because of the lacking article, it is not "just" a group's opinion. The opinion of strategically placed powerful groups (and how they choose to express them) is extremely important. The pen is mightier than the sword, so to say :). Thue | talk 20:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that the group itself may be notable, but by putting this on ITN you are inherently implying that their opinion is more important than say that of the Iranian people as a whole, or the United Nations etc. We didn't put Ayatollah Kameini's opinions up when he claimed the election was legal, so if we put this up on the main page it suggests that Wikipedia is favouring this viewpoint over his. When all the viewpoints are covered in an equal manner, as it normally the case in an article that covers a topic such as as this, the balance of viewpoints removes POV. However, in this instance, I feel that as this statement only covers one side of the argument it is biased --Daviessimo (talk) 20:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- While I of course agree that it can't currently go on ITN because of the lacking article, it is not "just" a group's opinion. The opinion of strategically placed powerful groups (and how they choose to express them) is extremely important. The pen is mightier than the sword, so to say :). Thue | talk 20:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose per Tone - statements like this are just people's or group's opinions. As such, not only are they not notable, but I'm fairly certain they contradict Wikipedia's NPOV policy --Daviessimo (talk) 12:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think we would put that example on ITN either... However, if this results in some changes, that's another thing. But first, there have to be some changes, not only statements. And we don't have an article anyway so there's no point in discussing, really... --Tone 11:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't agree with the "Issuing statements only is not enough for ITN" part. Statements can be very important. Like if the Republican National Convention issued a statement that the 2000 election was stolen by Bush, which would be a US analogy :). The clerics are supposed to be the power base and source of legitimacy for the Iranian government. Thue | talk 09:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Issuing statements only is not enough for ITN, I think. We've covered the elections twice already. However, if there is some significant development, we can always consider an update. --Tone 09:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Honduras
- Needs monitoring, some recent development. --Tone 09:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
July 5
- Three people are killed and twenty injured following
- At least eight people die in blasts at two explosives factories in Madhya Pradesh, India. (BBC)
- One person dies after a
- The Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans claims the debate over homosexuality may split the Church of England the way it has split the Episcopal Church in the United States. (BBC)
- An Irish government delegation arrives in Cairo to be briefed on the Sudan kidnappings. (RTÉ)
- An Iranian political analyst employed by the British embassy in Tehran faces a lengthy prison sentence after being charged with "acting against national security". (The Times)
- Two British service personnel participating in Operation Panther's Claw are killed in separate attacks in southern Afghanistan. (BBC)
- Five people die in an Catholic cathedral in Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines. (BBC) (Boston Globe) (GMA News) (The Irish Times) (Reuters) (RTÉ)
- legislative election. (El Universal)
- A security operation is conducted to protect the personal details of British diplomat John Sawers. (BBC)
- Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is embarrassed by a lesbian kiss at his Sardinian estate. (The Times)
- First Minister of Northern Ireland Peter Robinson holds separate talks with both sides in the dispute over the Drumcree conflict. (RTÉ)
- Voters in parliamentary election. (Sofia News Agency) (BBC)
- At least 23 Somalis are killed and over 50 are wounded in Mogadishu as government soldiers retaliate to mortars fired at the presidential palace by insurgents. (Al Jazeera) (BBC) (France 24) (Reuters)
- US Vice President Joe Biden says in an ABC interview that Washington will not interfere in an Israeli attack on Iran. (Al Jazeera) (The New York Times)
ITN candidates for July 5
- 2009 Cotabato bombing
Article started on July 5, possible blurb: "A
- The article is ok, Support. Is it correct to say a bombing kills or is it better to use a bomb blast? --Tone 07:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Whilst 5 deaths is not particularly high for a terrorist attack, I'm guessing that the Phillipines is not a country that is in the middle of a major ethnic/civil/international war? --Daviessimo (talk) 12:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- It is facing two insurgencies of varying intensity. As for the attack itself, it was not the first bombing of a Catholic church in Mindanao, but it was the first in several years (source was working yesterday but isn't today). –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 15:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Also, this attack—unlike most bombings, I would assume—elicited a statement from Pope Benedict XVI (since a Catholic cathedral was targeted). –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 18:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- It is facing
- Whilst 5 deaths is not particularly high for a terrorist attack, I'm guessing that the Phillipines is not a country that is in the middle of a major ethnic/civil/international war? --Daviessimo (talk) 12:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not important. talk) 14:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)]
- The last time a "terrorist" attack occurred in the area was in 2006 where 8 were killed. Although there were incursions between the rebels and the military in the area lately, there were no civilian casualties since they fled.
- If ITN is really desperate of having a new blurb, this can be added. If you guys want a Philippine-related blurb, some nasty storm will come up in the next few months if you guys are willing to wait that is the best opportunity. –Howard the Duck 14:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Based on the above I will support. I don't know why it should be posted because there is a need for something from the Philippines though, I don't see how any country is ever needed or wanted–it depends on the significance of the event and it being nominated. A first terrorist attack since 2006 is long enough and there are several dozen injuries as well as the deaths. --•wicke 22:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Based on the above I will support. I don't know why it should be posted because there is a need for something from the Philippines though, I don't see how any country is ever needed or wanted–it depends on the significance of the event and it being nominated. A first terrorist attack since 2006 is long enough and there are several dozen injuries as well as the deaths. --
- Note: Death toll in the 5 July bombing rose to six. Also, between two and four more bombs exploded in the southern Philippines yesterday and today, killing six. (BBC)(Philippine Daily Inquirer) –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 16:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- In this case i will support.talk) 19:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)]
- In this case i will support.
- Revised possible blurb: "A ."
- Since Saturday, there have been five bombing attacks in the Philippines involving six individual blasts, four of which resulted in casualties and two of which resulted in fatalities. I thought about creating just one article about all of the bombings, but in the end decided against it because the Philippine military is treating the attacks as unrelated and suspects at least two different groups as being responsible. –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 21:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Rioting in Ürümqi
According to some reports, some pretty large-scale riots have begun in
- Support if there's an article. Three people died and twenty were injured. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- I added a bit to East Turkestan independence movement; will work on adding more tonight. I'll also post a blurb in a little bit. By the way, can you show me the source for 20 people injured? I haven't noticed that (it's getting frustrating reading most of these articles, they tend to say the same thing—although some are more anti-Uyghur than others—there might be more info available tomorrow), and it would be nice to cite. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Al Jazeera said Xinhua said 20. Added to the article. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- I added a bit to East Turkestan independence movement; will work on adding more tonight. I'll also post a blurb in a little bit. By the way, can you show me the source for 20 people injured? I haven't noticed that (it's getting frustrating reading most of these articles, they tend to say the same thing—although some are more anti-Uyghur than others—there might be more info available tomorrow), and it would be nice to cite. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Here are possible blurbs, feel free to tweak:
- At least three people are killed, and twenty injured, in riots in Ürümqi.
- At least three people are killed, and twenty injured, when Uyghurs and Han Chinese.
Difficult to think of a good wording—while most of the news reports are saying it's the Uyghurs who are doing the majority of the rioting, I don't think it would be appropriate for the blurb to day something like "3 people killed when Uyghurs start rioting", it would sound too much like Wikipedia's participating in the blame game. Tried to keep things neutral above. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 00:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, crud...I didn't notice that before, the the articleissues}} tag; I'll either have to clean it up some or see about updating other relevant articles. Personally, I think a lot of the issues tagged are frivolous (the {{refimprove}} doesn't seem necessary as there are over 30 refs, and the {{neutrality}} tag has no accompanying discussion on the talk page) and many could probably be removed with little or no work. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 00:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Update Never mind, I've removed the tags as I believe urgent major cleanup is not actually needed; my rationale is at the article talk page. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 00:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)]
- The first one I think... it's simple, it states that there are riots without getting complicated... "three people" as well (assuming they are people) but I expect that will be included if/when it is posted. --•wicke 01:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Thanks; I added "people", as well as "and 20 injured". The main reason I mentioned Han and Uyghur in the 2nd was because I figured most of the world probably doesn't know where Urumqi is and what on earth they might be rioting about. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 01:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would suggest–At least three people are killed and twenty injured during •wicke 02:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Please remember to reset the clock as well. --•wicke 02:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Thanks; I've added it. I didn't remove any because ITN is shorter than TFA right now on my screen, and I put it at the top because I wasn't sure of anywhere else to put it (I guess it's arguable; the riots began before the men's Wimbledon final did, but are still going on now, and most of the news covering them seems to have been published around the same time as most of the Wimbledon news). Let me know if I've messed anything up. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 02:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Please remember to reset the clock as well. --
- I would suggest–At least three people are killed and twenty injured during
- Thanks; I added "people", as well as "and 20 injured". The main reason I mentioned Han and Uyghur in the 2nd was because I figured most of the world probably doesn't know where Urumqi is and what on earth they might be rioting about. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 01:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- The first one I think... it's simple, it states that there are riots without getting complicated... "three people" as well (assuming they are people) but I expect that will be included if/when it is posted. --
- Bulgaria elections
Bulgaria holds parliamentary elections for the
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- Mexico elections
Mexico will seek to elect a new
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- Indonesia elections
Another election today. Indonesia elects members to the
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- Wimbledon
The Wimbledon Championship is due to conclude. Its on
- Well i hope RF makes the headline. 15 Grand Slams. Ashishg55 (talk) 23:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
- Based on the French Open line:
- 1) In tennis, Andy Roddick and Serena Williams win the singles' titles at the the 2009 Wimbledon Championships.
- 2) In record of Pete Sampras.
--
July 4
- The
- Minister for Foreign Affairs, Micheál Martin, calls for the immediate release of two aid workers who were kidnapped in Sudan's Darfur region. (RTÉ)
- Bishop of Rochester Michael Nazir-Ali calls on homosexuals to "repent and be changed" and says the Church of England will not be "rolled over by culture". (The Daily Telegraph)
- Torrential rain forces over 150,000 people from their homes, topples hundreds of houses and punches a hole in the spillway of a dam in southern China. (IOL)
- The ]
- 12 militants are killed in an air raid in northwestern Pakistan. (Xinhua)
- Nine Chechen policeman are killed after their vehicle is attacked in neighbouring Ingushetia, southern Russia. (BBC) (The Hindu)
- The Iranian state-owned newspaper Kayhan calls for Mir-Hossein Mousavi to stand trial. (The Los Angeles Times)
- 35 people are arrested in protests. (Press TV)
- Wimbledon Championships after defeating her sister, Venus Williams. (The Daily Telegraph)
- Three people die as a result of contracting
ITN candidates for July 4
- Albanian parliamentary election, 2009
Can anyone update
- Italy protests
- No injuries even reported? No mention of death whatsoever. Appears ordinary enough and nothing to suggest that anyone outside the immediate area joined in. --•wicke 10:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Honduras suspension due
The
- Yes. Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support.yousaf465'
- Support. ITN Material. Cargoking talk 11:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
- Honduras leaders pull out of OAS. The country will be suspended in a vote today. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
- Honduras has been suspended. Can anyone update the Organization of American States article? (and rewrite the POV word? Sigh) --BorgQueen (talk) 05:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have updated it but I don't understand what is wrong with the word I gave? Or am I missing something? --•wicke 08:20, 5 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I was talking about the word coup in the article, which is controversial, not your blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oh thank goodness :D I removed that one earlier then. But why is the article title •wicke 08:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Honduras has a really nice coat of arms... :D --•wicke 08:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)]
- The fact that it hasn't changed suggests those in favour of it being called a coup are winning. I do agree that its better to avoid using the term on the main page though --Daviessimo (talk) 08:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Honduras has a really nice coat of arms... :D --
- Oh thank goodness :D I removed that one earlier then. But why is the article title
- I was talking about the word coup in the article, which is controversial, not your blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have updated it but I don't understand what is wrong with the word I gave? Or am I missing something? --
- Honduras has been suspended. Can anyone update the Organization of American States article? (and rewrite the POV word? Sigh) --BorgQueen (talk) 05:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Honduras leaders pull out of OAS. The country will be suspended in a vote today. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. ITN Material. Cargoking talk 11:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support.yousaf465'
- Final test of the 2009 British and Irish Lions tour to South Africa
- I'd argue this has more interest the Heineken Cup or the Super 14. –Howard the Duck 09:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'd point out that even if this is true that would be no reason to remove those two, especially as you cannot really compare what effects those competitions have on countries like France, Australia or New Zealand... so I sense an attempt to be controversial here... how can it be argued that the sport is of interest to only some in a small corner of Europe when this is not much more than that at all? --•wicke 20:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)]
- Well since we didn't have the Super 14 this year because the article wasn't up to scratch we can just let this replace the Super 14 and worry about the implications four years from now :-P BTW, I don't think HtD was suggesting they be removed, simply that the fact it has more interest is ample reason to put it Nil Einne (talk) 11:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'd point out that even if this is true that would be no reason to remove those two, especially as you cannot really compare what effects those competitions have on countries like France, Australia or New Zealand... so I sense an attempt to be controversial here... how can it be argued that the sport is of interest to only some in a small corner of Europe when this is not much more than that at all? --
- Suggest a blurb, please. (I know next to nothing about sports...) --BorgQueen (talk) 10:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- In •wicke 10:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Rather misleading blurb. Firstly because the series was won when SA went 2-0 up on 27th June, and also because although it is true that the Lions had not won a test match (will that phrase be understood by non-Rugby fans?) since 2001, they only played 3 test matches between 2001 and 2009. Kevin McE (talk) 12:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've tried of thinking of the proper wording for this since the Springboks already won the series in the 2nd match rendering the 3rd inconsequential. Perhaps inserting "three-match series" will be sufficient. Best of three series are quite popular even in other sports... –Howard the Duck 12:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Rather misleading blurb. Firstly because the series was won when SA went 2-0 up on 27th June, and also because although it is true that the Lions had not won a test match (will that phrase be understood by non-Rugby fans?) since 2001, they only played 3 test matches between 2001 and 2009. Kevin McE (talk) 12:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- In
July 3
- The
- Three people die and over a dozen are injured in riots after a dead pig is thrown into an under-construction mosque in Mysore, India. (CNN)
- John Demjanjuk is declared fit to stand trial for assisting in the deaths of 29,000 Jews in Treblinka extermination camp. (RTÉ)
- Disney XD is in Latin America and Brazil
- Energy ministers of Algeria, Niger and Nigeria sign the intergovernmental agreement on the Trans-Saharan gas pipeline. (Reuters) (Bloomberg) (BBC)
- Flooding affects parts of County Mayo and County Galway in Ireland. (RTÉ) (The Irish Times)
- Burma, meeting junta leader Senior General Than Shwe and calling for the release of political prisoners. (BBC) (Bangkok Post)
- Two protests. (BBC)
- Three
- Syria invites United States President Barack Obama to the Damascus summit. (Sky News)
- Algerian raï music star Cheb Mami is jailed for five years in France for trying to force his former partner to have an abortion. (BBC) (IOL) (Reuters)
- Manuel Pinho, MP. (BBC)
- North Korea broadcasts its first ever beer commercial, for Taedonggang beer. (BBC) (The Los Angeles Times)
- Two more people die in train explosion, bringing the death toll to 21. (RTÉ)
- Six people, including three children, are killed after a fire in a high rise residential tower block in Camberwell, south London, England. (BBC)
- Russia opens a route for the United States to fly arms to Afghanistan. (The New York Times)
- Governor of Alaska and 2008 Vice Presidential candidate, announces her resignation as Governor, effective July 26. (Fox News) (CNN)
- Two aid workers, including one Irish woman, with the charity GOAL are kidnapped by an armed gang in Sudan's Darfur region. (RTÉ)
- Thirteen people are injured after the Paris to Cahors train derails near Limoges, France. (RTÉ)
- A 6.0 magnitude earthquake centred in the Sea of Cortez shakes western Mexico. (IOL)
ITN candidates for July 3
- Trans-Saharan gas pipeline
- Trans–Saharan gas pipeline.
If constructed, this would be a very important pipeline to diversify Europe's gas supplies and intergovernmental agreement on its construction is an important milestone in the project development. However, I have also a feeling that probably this is not the last agreement concerning this project. Beagel (talk) 17:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Dinosaur disoveries
I think this is pretty notable and a great encyclopaedic story. Thoughts? --Daviessimo (talk) 07:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oh yes, a new dinosaur species is definitely ITN-notable. You are welcome to create an article. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:43, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. Three articles, to be exact. Hopefully this has been published somewhere so there is a material for articles available... --Tone 07:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- What I've done is leave a message of the Wikiproject:dinosaur talk page asking one of its members to make the update because I don't have enough knowledge on the subject. Even the BBC article is question appears to have a mistake with the naming of the dinosaurs. Anyway it seems like a big enough wikiproject so hopefully someone will get on it today.--Daviessimo (talk) 08:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. Three articles, to be exact. Hopefully this has been published somewhere so there is a material for articles available... --Tone 07:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sarah Palin resignation
I believe this is a very important story, just now developing (see Fox News and CNN). We have the
- On one hand, it's just Alaska, pop. 686,293. On the other hand, it's Sarah Palin, who is a national figure, and this is a national story. I support. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is it not a bit local though? --•wicke 21:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Ordinarily, this would be local, but Sarah Palin is such a celebrity now, and this story clearly has presidential overtones to it. Note that Sarah Palin is now No. 2 on Wikipedia:Popular pages behind Michael Jackson. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- But what I mean is that she seems to be a bit of a local celebrity who even in her own country would have been unrecognisable a few years ago. Michael Jackson would have been recognised everywhere a few decades ago (or at least a lot more if you know what I mean). --•wicke 21:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Yeah, but that was before she was John McCain's running mate and the butt of a million late-night jokes. Now she's one of the most-famous politicians in America. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Not the most famous though? Although I'm not sure how exactly to measure fame... so the reasoning behind the argument for posting this is that she featured in a lot of jokes after a 72 year-old fellow celebrity selected her as his understudy in an unsuccessful attempt to be their country's president? I just don't see how this matches any of the current ITNs - are there any other reasons? -- 22:16, 3 July 2009 (
- Yeah, but that was before she was John McCain's running mate and the butt of a million late-night jokes. Now she's one of the most-famous politicians in America. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- But what I mean is that she seems to be a bit of a local celebrity who even in her own country would have been unrecognisable a few years ago. Michael Jackson would have been recognised everywhere a few decades ago (or at least a lot more if you know what I mean). --
- Ordinarily, this would be local, but Sarah Palin is such a celebrity now, and this story clearly has presidential overtones to it. Note that Sarah Palin is now No. 2 on Wikipedia:Popular pages behind Michael Jackson. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is it not a bit local though? --
The argument for posting is this is a (inter-)national story because Sarah Palin is probably the best-known active Republican politician in the U.S. (and world) right now who is constitutionally eligible to be president (Arnold Schwarzenegger is ineligible), everyone in America has an opinion about her, and all the speculation is that she's preparing for a presidential run in 2012. If it was an ordinary governor of Alaska, no one south of Juneau would care. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just because she is well known doesn't mean this is important internationally. --PlasmaTwa2 07:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
- If this resignation is for 'personal gain' (i.e. she's doing it so she can run in 2012) then I don't think it is big enough. If it was due to some form of political scandal that had far reaching implications for US politics in the current time period (such as was the case with the parliamentary expenses scandal at Westminster recently) it might have a shot --Daviessimo (talk) 22:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is not ITN material. --Tone 10:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think resignation of state-level officials are that notable. Maybe if they're convicted in an impeachment trial, assassinated or beaten in a recall election. –Howard the Duck 01:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
July 2
- Heavy thunderstorms in Dublin lead to widespread flooding and the closure of some of the city's major roads and rail lines, as well as some evacuations. (RTÉ) (The Irish Times)
- A report by war crimes. (BBC)
- The Helmand, Afghanistan. (BBC)
- The interim government defies international pressure to reverse the recent coup, saying there is no chance at all of ousted President Manuel Zelaya returning to office. (Reuters)
- A 148-year-old colonial law banning homosexual intercourse in India is overturned by the High Court in New Delhi. (BBC) (The Times)
- The Defence Ministry says North Korea has fired four missiles off its east coast. (Sky News)
- Japanese diplomat Yukiya Amano is elected Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency. (AP via The Washington Post)
- The first
- A Royal Air Force plane crashes in a rural area of Argyll, United Kingdom. (The Guardian)
ITN candidates for July 2
Pakistan army's heli crash.yousaf465'
- Too short yet... --BorgQueen (talk) 16:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Working on...yousaf465'
- Fatalities now more than 41.yousaf465'
- Working on...yousaf465'
Thanks. I will add more info as I get it.yousaf465'
- A boat this time MV Demas Victory
Thirty Die As Boat Capsizes In Persian Gulf. Did nobody even nominate this or did I miss it? --
- Can't nominate an entry without an article. --Golbez (talk) 19:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Since when? --•wicke 19:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Since October 2002, or perhaps earlier. See the first line of Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page#Updated content for current policy. Algebraist 19:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I wonder why this was never pointed out before or when Daviessimo nominated "Most Complete Earth Map" or Tone nominated Croatia or Iraq or other such times. When these incidents happen they are usually built up. I don't understand how it is always possible to have an article for a new event. --•wicke 20:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Sometimes it's not possible to have an article for an event; fortunately that's irrelevant, as ITN is not a news page, but rather has newsworthy updates to articles. --Golbez (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- What do you mean, this was never pointed out? The entire discussion at #"Most Complete Earth Map" below was about whether a new article would be written or what existing article the material belonged in. Algebraist 21:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think there are some crossed wires here. Candlewicke (as a regular contributor like myself) is not nominating this for inclusion on the main page without an update. He is, like I do, fishing for people's opinions on whether the story is notable before making an update. If there is support then an article can be created or another updated. If there is no support then Candlewicke doesn't waste time on it and can divert attention elsewhere --Daviessimo (talk) 21:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- I am withdrawing the nomination as I think this is either being misunderstood or (even worse) there is a deliberate attempt to create a scene out of absolutely nothing or divert attention away from the issue at hand. It may be best not to nominate items in future if it leads to reactions such as this. --•wicke 22:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Your lack of assumption of good faith confuses me; what purpose would "divert[ing] attention away from the issue at hand" serve? --Golbez (talk) 23:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- i think problem here is that people who do not visit ITN/C regularly should ask on how these nominations work rather than trying to prove otherwise... candlewicke just had a small "annoyance aftershock" to discussion above thats all he'll be ok in few hours. just to clarify it is always ok to nominate something without an article. It will not go up on ITN till artilce has been created or update has been made. Ashishg55 (talk) 23:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would have said the same thing about good faith in relation to the claim that my response was "fortunately irrelevant" and that "ITN is not a news page, but rather has newsworthy updates to articles" had I not decided it was best to stop things before they got out of hand. The former appears highly inflammatory or at least disrespectful, the latter appears contradictory - not a newspage but newsworthy? What I mean is I thought it possible that there was some sort of cover-up or else an attempt at being disruptive to the ITN process... after reading this earlier I would think anything possible. Basically, there was an objection for whatever reason so I withdrew it. Other than that I confess I have absolutely no idea what is going on here right now and rather than cause any unnecessary disruption I tried to minimise it by not questioning these unusual statements. It appears I have failed. --•wicke 00:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I never assumed bad faith; I assumed you had an incorrect view as to what ITN was, which has nothing to do with good faith. Correct, it's not a news page - we don't post any news that comes through the pipe. Only entries that result in the update of an article. Should there be no article then it can't go up; have you ever seen an entry on ITN without a bolded, changed link? Either way, your assumption of bad faith (curses, my nefarious plans to .. disrupt ITN? have failed again!) was worse than my snideness. :P Don't get all dramatic and say "well maybe I shouldn't nominate things anymore!" --Golbez (talk) 00:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would have said the same thing about good faith in relation to the claim that my response was "fortunately irrelevant" and that "ITN is not a news page, but rather has newsworthy updates to articles" had I not decided it was best to stop things before they got out of hand. The former appears highly inflammatory or at least disrespectful, the latter appears contradictory - not a newspage but newsworthy? What I mean is I thought it possible that there was some sort of cover-up or else an attempt at being disruptive to the ITN process... after reading this earlier I would think anything possible. Basically, there was an objection for whatever reason so I withdrew it. Other than that I confess I have absolutely no idea what is going on here right now and rather than cause any unnecessary disruption I tried to minimise it by not questioning these unusual statements. It appears I have failed. --
- i think problem here is that people who do not visit ITN/C regularly should ask on how these nominations work rather than trying to prove otherwise... candlewicke just had a small "annoyance aftershock" to discussion above thats all he'll be ok in few hours. just to clarify it is always ok to nominate something without an article. It will not go up on ITN till artilce has been created or update has been made. Ashishg55 (talk) 23:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Your lack of assumption of good faith confuses me; what purpose would "divert[ing] attention away from the issue at hand" serve? --Golbez (talk) 23:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- I am withdrawing the nomination as I think this is either being misunderstood or (even worse) there is a deliberate attempt to create a scene out of absolutely nothing or divert attention away from the issue at hand. It may be best not to nominate items in future if it leads to reactions such as this. --
- I think there are some crossed wires here. Candlewicke (as a regular contributor like myself) is not nominating this for inclusion on the main page without an update. He is, like I do, fishing for people's opinions on whether the story is notable before making an update. If there is support then an article can be created or another updated. If there is no support then Candlewicke doesn't waste time on it and can divert attention elsewhere --Daviessimo (talk) 21:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- I wonder why this was never pointed out before or when Daviessimo nominated "Most Complete Earth Map" or Tone nominated Croatia or Iraq or other such times. When these incidents happen they are usually built up. I don't understand how it is always possible to have an article for a new event. --
- Since October 2002, or perhaps earlier. See the first line of
- Since when? --
- Scrolling down, I see other nominations made without an existing article, often resulting in, well, someone making the article. But when I see a nomination without an article (And I did not see the others, having just gotten this far down the page, intrigued by the edit summary) I tend to reject outright, thinking the update should precede the nomination. My tone was gruff, and I apologize. However, candlewicke needs to assume good faith; this is not some strange vendetta against something. --Golbez (talk) 00:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I still don't understand what you mean. I am not assuming bad faith at all, I cannot recall doing so. I wasn't even being dramatic, I was trying to do the complete opposite and trying to work out what was going on as I have explained. I do not understand how you could think I would think an ITN could be posted without a bolded link as this seems very basic to me. I do not need the ins and outs of ITN explained to me. I do not even know why you have bent my words in the quote (I meant nominate in the way I did without an article, it is routine for me - and others too I thought - and it certainly did not use an exclamation mark). I am trying to be clear in my explanation of this confusion rather than attack even though reading some of the above still puzzles me. Gentle, non-attacking words appear to be failing me in my attempt to soothe the situation and I hope you do not perceive this as negative either. --•wicke 00:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)]
- " ... or there is a deliberate attempt to create a scene out of absolutely nothing or divert attention away from the issue at hand." positing that it's possible that people are deliberately attempting to quash the nomination of this story for some unsaid reason sounds pretty bad faith assuming to me. You may not need the ins and outs of ITN explained, but that's how it initially appeared: "I don't understand how it is always possible to have an article for a new event. " To me this read, "It's not always possible to have articles but we should still post it on ITN anyway", perhaps you meant "It's not always possible to have articles prior to the nomination, we'll get one before it gets posted". I apologize for my tone. I didn't know it was routine, not having been heavily involved in ITN lately. You and your nomination were not singled out. --Golbez (talk) 00:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't know how it appeared this way from the start when I simply made a nomination as usual. I wasn't assuming bad faith, I pointed to something that had actually happened and just wondered if it was happening again - please don't take it as an idea that you had hidden motives or that I was attacking you personally as that was most definitely not my intention - it appeared to me as though you misunderstood how ITN worked and "fortunately that's irrelevant" sounded as though I oughtn't to continue any further so I tried to withdraw it quietly. I thought of several possibilities but was just left puzzled in the end and really shouldn't even have suggested anything as it was misunderstood. As someone who regularly cleans up the nominations which others might forget about - •wicke 01:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I don't know how it appeared this way from the start when I simply made a nomination as usual. I wasn't assuming bad faith, I pointed to something that had actually happened and just wondered if it was happening again - please don't take it as an idea that you had hidden motives or that I was attacking you personally as that was most definitely not my intention - it appeared to me as though you misunderstood how ITN worked and "fortunately that's irrelevant" sounded as though I oughtn't to continue any further so I tried to withdraw it quietly. I thought of several possibilities but was just left puzzled in the end and really shouldn't even have suggested anything as it was misunderstood. As someone who regularly cleans up the nominations which others might forget about -
- " ... or there is a deliberate attempt to create a scene out of absolutely nothing or divert attention away from the issue at hand." positing that it's possible that people are deliberately attempting to quash the nomination of this story for some unsaid reason sounds pretty bad faith assuming to me. You may not need the ins and outs of ITN explained, but that's how it initially appeared: "I don't understand how it is always possible to have an article for a new event. " To me this read, "It's not always possible to have articles but we should still post it on ITN anyway", perhaps you meant "It's not always possible to have articles prior to the nomination, we'll get one before it gets posted". I apologize for my tone. I didn't know it was routine, not having been heavily involved in ITN lately. You and your nomination were not singled out. --Golbez (talk) 00:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I still don't understand what you mean. I am not assuming bad faith at all, I cannot recall doing so. I wasn't even being dramatic, I was trying to do the complete opposite and trying to work out what was going on as I have explained. I do not understand how you could think I would think an ITN could be posted without a bolded link as this seems very basic to me. I do not need the ins and outs of ITN explained to me. I do not even know why you have bent my words in the quote (I meant nominate in the way I did without an article, it is routine for me - and others too I thought - and it certainly did not use an exclamation mark). I am trying to be clear in my explanation of this confusion rather than attack even though reading some of the above still puzzles me. Gentle, non-attacking words appear to be failing me in my attempt to soothe the situation and I hope you do not perceive this as negative either. --
- Article started at MV Demas Victory, as it is a notable current event. SriMesh | talk 04:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- IAEA's new Director General
Japanese diplomat Yukiya Amano is elected as Director General for the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Significant organization and dramatic election (Amano was elected only in the sixth round). Beagel (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Is it possible to include bio infobox in his article? --Tone 17:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- North Korean Missile Tests - North Korea and weapons of mass destruction
North Korea has test-fired 4 missiles off their eastern coast, in defiance of the latest UN sanctions. MacMedtalkstalk 15:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- LGBT movement in India
- Homosexual intercourse is legalised in India.
The article needs expansion, but I don't remember seeing a LGBT topic for a while, and how often does a country have such a large law change such as this? Especially in the largest democracy. (Description is fair game to change if needs-be :))
- Think just "homosexuality" would be better. A range of behviours have been unlawful in the past, not just "the sex act". That's my undertanding at least. The wording above is fine, but think "legalised" should be avoided, because it suggested that legislation has been passed. Also - is this only about male homosexuality - I haven't been able to work it out.--FormerIP (talk) 09:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm...all the articles I see all use the term "consensual gay sex". 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Nominate! 14:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)]
- In addition, it's also not repealed for minors, so it's really "gay sex between consenting adults". Nominate! 14:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Hm... this is just for the Nominate! 14:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)]
- if appealed... its technically possible. but this is big step given india's stance on anything related to homosexuality till now. Socially i still dont see this being accepted anywhere for a long time to come so i dont know if it really means anything Ashishg55 (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- A big step? I will support if this is correct. We really haven't had a proper ITN on this topic so far this July so hopefully this will go some way towards rectifying this... --•wicke 15:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)]
- So far this July? Well, it is just 2 July now... :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 15:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- I know. Terrible isn't it? There'll be an unruly mob if we don't act soon... :D --•wicke 16:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Although we must be heading towards (or even into) double figures for ITNs posted already this month... --•wicke 16:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Although we must be heading towards (or even into) double figures for ITNs posted already this month... --
- I know. Terrible isn't it? There'll be an unruly mob if we don't act soon... :D --
- So far this July? Well, it is just 2 July now... :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 15:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- A big step? I will support if this is correct. We really haven't had a proper ITN on this topic so far this July so hopefully this will go some way towards rectifying this... --
- if appealed... its technically possible. but this is big step given india's stance on anything related to homosexuality till now. Socially i still dont see this being accepted anywhere for a long time to come so i dont know if it really means anything Ashishg55 (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hm... this is just for the
- In addition, it's also not repealed for minors, so it's really "gay sex between consenting adults".
- Hmm...all the articles I see all use the term "consensual gay sex". 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
- Think just "homosexuality" would be better. A range of behviours have been unlawful in the past, not just "the sex act". That's my undertanding at least. The wording above is fine, but think "legalised" should be avoided, because it suggested that legislation has been passed. Also - is this only about male homosexuality - I haven't been able to work it out.--FormerIP (talk) 09:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- More appropriate and accurate -
- The legalizes homosexuality in India.
- I support this item not only because it is landmark judgement for several gay Indians, it can also have far reaching consequences on other South Asian nations which still ban gay sex. --Nosedown (talk) 01:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I was quite convinced by "The ruling overturns a 148-year-old colonial law which describes a same-sex relationship as an "unnatural offence". Homosexual acts were punishable by a 10-year prison sentence. Gay rights activists all over the country welcomed the ruling and said it was "India's Stonewall"." (Just in case any members of the opposition missed all that) --•wicke 02:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Just to meake sure, this isn't simply homosexuality, but a little more. Perhaps a wording like this would be better:
- In .
- Another note: "...it can also have far reaching consequences..." emphasis mine. Nominate! 02:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)]
- On a more serious note, I'm leaning towards oppose per Ashishg55, and I think that if we put it up and the Supreme Court of India reverses the decision, it would make us look pretty sawdy. Nominate! 02:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)]
- That's quite a lot of sex Spencer. I never knew you had it in you. :D --•wicke 03:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)]
- i like how there is a picture for sexual intercourse, anal sex and fellatio lol. i remember someone complaining about an art piece which showed breasts on main page saying its not kids friendly. i wonder what will happen if we put those 3 pics up. Ashishg55 (talk) 04:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm tending to lean towards oppose per Ashishg too. This ruling only de-criminalises gay sex and other unnatural sex acts. It still doesn't legally recognise homosexuality or homosexual marriage, which is the normal requirement for inclusion on ITN --Daviessimo (talk) 07:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- i like how there is a picture for sexual intercourse, anal sex and fellatio lol. i remember someone complaining about an art piece which showed breasts on main page saying its not kids friendly. i wonder what will happen if we put those 3 pics up. Ashishg55 (talk) 04:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's quite a lot of sex Spencer. I never knew you had it in you. :D --
- On a more serious note, I'm leaning towards oppose per Ashishg55, and I think that if we put it up and the Supreme Court of India reverses the decision, it would make us look pretty sawdy.
- Just to meake sure, this isn't simply homosexuality, but a little more. Perhaps a wording like this would be better:
- I was quite convinced by "The ruling overturns a 148-year-old colonial law which describes a same-sex relationship as an "unnatural offence". Homosexual acts were punishable by a 10-year prison sentence. Gay rights activists all over the country welcomed the ruling and said it was "India's Stonewall"." (Just in case any members of the opposition missed all that) --
- Oppose on the fact that there is only one sentence covering the topic in the article and that it refers only to Delhi area, not the whole India. Regarding the marriages, seems they will soon be legalized in Slovenia. --Tone 07:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Please do not state opinions and mislead others if you don't know the details of the Indian law. The Indian Penal Code applies to the whole of India and not just Delhi. The sentence by the Delhi High Court is to amend the Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code following which gay sex would be legalized all over India. This ruling can only be overturned by the Supreme Court of India but given the circumstances in which the ruling was given, the probability of that is very low.
- Also, I agree with Ashish's argument. This ruling does not to legalize homosexual marriages and therefore, perhaps it is not ITN worthy. --Nosedown (talk) 19:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- But I wonder how you could legalise the marriage without legalising the act? Surely this is the foundation and therefore more important or significant (or at least as significant)? --•wicke 21:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)]
- But I wonder how you could legalise the marriage without legalising the act? Surely this is the foundation and therefore more important or significant (or at least as significant)? --
July 1
- TerreStar-1, the largest commercial telecommunication satellite ever built, is successfully launched. (spaceflightnow.com )
- The European Union declares Ireland free of brucellosis, a disease which cost the country millions of euro to eradicate. (RTÉ) (The Irish Times)
- The Organization of American States gives Honduras three days to restore its deposed president, Manuel Zelaya. (The New York Times)
- Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt assumes the rotating presidency over the European Union. (Reuters)
- Officials in Comoros confirm that one passenger from Yemenia Flight 626, a 14-year-old girl, has been found alive. (BBC)
- negotiations standstill and economic crisis. (BBC)
- The Met Office issues a level-3 heat wave alert across London and the South East of England for the first time since June 2006. (BBC)
- Taoiseach Brian Cowen informs Dáil Éireann that Ireland has 11.9% unemployment, with June's growth the slowest rate of increase since January. (RTÉ)
- Three staff from the British Embassy in Tehran, Iran, are released after being detained for allegedly having a role in the post-election protests. (BBC)
- The remains of Jane Deasy are positively identified in the bodies recovered from Air France Flight 447. (RTÉ)
- Up to 30 people are feared dead after the MV Demas Victory capsizes and sinks in choppy Persian Gulf waters off the Qatari capital Doha. (Sky News)
ITN candidates for July 1
- Ronaldo
- Footballer Real Madridfor €93 million, a world record transfer fee.
Comment - This was discussed a few weeks ago, but was only confirmed today. yorkshiresky (talk) 22:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Transformers made triple of this last week. If this goes up, that should go up too, and probably Harry Potter the next few days... –Howard the Duck 05:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Films....football. Oh yes I can see how they are remotely linked. First we have arguments that country populations should define the importance of news and now money. Please look at the articles on Relativism and Systemic bias. The only thing that this can be compared to are 1)other football transfers and 2)other sports transfers --Daviessimo (talk) 07:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- TerreStar-1
- TerreStar-1, the largest commercial telecommunication satellite ever built, is successfully launched Hektor (talk) 18:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Currently no inline citations at all. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have added some. --W… 18:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Brucellosis
- How often does a country eradicate a disease? (Confirmed by the •wicke 15:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support MacMedtalkstalk 16:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- •wicke 16:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)]
- I think I prefer the wording at the current events portal. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Second thoughts. The simpler wording is better in this case. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. Those curious can read more in the article. --•wicke 16:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Why Republic? Since when have diseases respected political borders? But anyway it is called Ireland even in the article. --•wicke 16:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Pipelinked per this request. By the way, why is the article named the Republic then? --BorgQueen (talk) 17:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, there's a bit of a complicated naming issue which I was trying to avoid and clearly someone else noticed very quickly before I could get the message through. It's because there are so many Irelands - the actual island and •wicke 17:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Sorry, there's a bit of a complicated naming issue which I was trying to avoid and clearly someone else noticed very quickly before I could get the message through. It's because there are so many Irelands - the actual island and
- Pipelinked per this request. By the way, why is the article named the Republic then? --BorgQueen (talk) 17:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Why Republic? Since when have diseases respected political borders? But anyway it is called Ireland even in the article. --
- I agree. Those curious can read more in the article. --
- Second thoughts. The simpler wording is better in this case. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think I prefer the wording at the current events portal. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support MacMedtalkstalk 16:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Politics...
Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt assumes the rotating presidency over the European Union, and Croatian prime minister Ivo Sanader resigns. Could anyone update? --BorgQueen (talk) 13:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've expanded Ivo Sanader a bit. I'll look around for more info soon. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 13:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- The Fredrik Reinfeldt article just needs some prose about his new office... Anyone? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Done. I found an image. --•wicke 20:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Done. I found an image. --
- "Most Complete Earth Map"
- What do people reckon about this? --Daviessimo (talk) 07:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds promising. Would you create an article? --BorgQueen (talk) 07:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I was thinking that the update might go at Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer, which was the tool on the satellite that did all the work. There's already a mention on it --Daviessimo (talk) 07:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've updated the article. Suggested blurb "The ASTER Global Digital Elevation Model, the most comprehensive Digital elevation model of the Earth's surface, is released" --Daviessimo (talk) 08:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 09:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've updated the article. Suggested blurb "The ASTER Global Digital Elevation Model, the most comprehensive Digital elevation model of the Earth's surface, is released" --Daviessimo (talk) 08:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I was thinking that the update might go at Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer, which was the tool on the satellite that did all the work. There's already a mention on it --Daviessimo (talk) 07:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yemenia Flight 626
- Yemenia Flight 626 crashes on approach in the Indian Ocean near Moroni, Comoros, with 153 on-board. One survivor has been found.
Why was the
- The item has scrolled off, which is quite normal here on ITN. If you don't like it, please try to find a way to enlarge our Main Page. I am not sure if just one survivor makes that much difference anyway. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- A survivor is always notable, especially when everybody else perished. –Howard the Duck 11:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Then you could create a separate article on her, and we could feature it. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Or we can avoid AFD drama and just add it to the air crash article. –Howard the Duck 11:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Don't worry, probably her article will survive AfD, if she is that notable. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think so, some subjects are notable enough to be subsections of an article but don't pass the notability threshold for articles. Then again, I'd rather avoid AFD drama by having her as a subsection in the air crash article than as a standalone article. –Howard the Duck 11:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- So she is not notable enough for a stand alone article. I am not going to feature the same article twice so soon, just for a new subsection. Even for the Iranian civil unrest, separate articles had to be updated and featured. I don't see why this item should be given a special treatment over other articles. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I dunno, but doesn't ITN re-feature a blurb when a significant update happened, irrespective of the amount of time in between? –Howard the Duck 12:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'd like to wait to hear what others think on this, and follow consensus. But please remember we didn't feature the swine flu item everytime it hit the news front pages. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- This could've been avoided if someone pointed out earlier that there was a survivor and it would've been bumped upward while it's live on the template. –Howard the Duck 12:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Another things is that we are currently featuring only five items because DYK features six items only now and we have to maintain a reasonable Main Page balance. The folks at DYK reduced the number of hooks in each update from eight to seven, and then again to six recently, because they are suffering from a lower number of submissions... --BorgQueen (talk) 12:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)]
- Another things is that we are currently featuring only five items because
- This could've been avoided if someone pointed out earlier that there was a survivor and it would've been bumped upward while it's live on the template. –Howard the Duck 12:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'd like to wait to hear what others think on this, and follow consensus. But please remember we didn't feature the swine flu item everytime it hit the news front pages. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I dunno, but doesn't ITN re-feature a blurb when a significant update happened, irrespective of the amount of time in between? –Howard the Duck 12:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- So she is not notable enough for a stand alone article. I am not going to feature the same article twice so soon, just for a new subsection. Even for the Iranian civil unrest, separate articles had to be updated and featured. I don't see why this item should be given a special treatment over other articles. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think so, some subjects are notable enough to be subsections of an article but don't pass the notability threshold for articles. Then again, I'd rather avoid AFD drama by having her as a subsection in the air crash article than as a standalone article. –Howard the Duck 11:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Don't worry, probably her article will survive AfD, if she is that notable. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Or we can avoid AFD drama and just add it to the air crash article. –Howard the Duck 11:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Then you could create a separate article on her, and we could feature it. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- A survivor is always notable, especially when everybody else perished. –Howard the Duck 11:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Croatia
Needs attention. Fast developing story regarding the PM stepping down. Change of government is usually ITN material. --Tone 13:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)